College coaches - Integrity

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
Again, try to judge things such as integrity on your own experiences if possible.

That is not practical. It is impossible to have personal experiences with every college coach in the state of Texas.

And it is not possible to judge well based solely on a campus visit.

Just as in business. It isn't possible to have experience with every possible supplier. Sure I will meet with the supplier and do as much homework as I can. But if someone, in whose judgement I have some faith, speaks well of a certain supplier then I can have a better comfort level.

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As for college coaches with integrity, you have to do you homework.

That's what I'm trying to do here, in part...

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Originally posted by Texan:
h&u, if someone has demonstrated integrity in their dealings with me, I am glad to tell other people about that experience. It doesn't mean they are perfect. In fact, we all know that no one on this earth is perfect. So do we say that no one has integrity? I think not.

But some of us have boys who are, or will be, in the recruiting process. And it would be nice to know if someone out there feels that Coach X has shown integrity.

Ok, I have avoided this thread long enough.............and I have to agree with what Texan says above because I thought this is what we were all about,,,,,,,,,,,,,

A SOURCE TO GATHER, TO SHARE and TO WEIGH information............that is what I think he was trying to acheive by opening this thread.

The discussion was not titled, Coaches you want to slam or Coaches that have done you wrong....it was titled Coaches with Integrity.......I find nothing wrong with that......as long as we stay on topic (seems harder and harder to do).

What I find interesting is how quickly this was turned to a negative. Was it turned that way because some wanted to get a stab at Texan? (gee I have been victim of that numerouse times).

Was it turned negative because that is the nature these days to assume that any thread is an underlying negative?

Come on,,,,,,,let's not read into this anymore than we have.

A simple request by a father that has a son that might be active in the recruiting process wants to know first hand experience who is/was a coach that someone felt had integrity(i.e. is a GOOD/HONEST GUY)..........

This floors me because, after all, how many times have some of us used this forum to help people in the process of being recruited because it is a stressfull time and it is a time of unknowns because coaches are out there "selling the program" and as we all know it can be confusing and a fast and furious time for some so we tell these parents and players all the time to ask a former player, ask a current player what they think of a program, ask a parent of a player (like here on HSBB) what they think of a coach.......isn't this what Texan was doing????????????????????

I am no where near this step of the process but I do know if we were we would not be weighing how much money a school would be offering our son, mainly because school is already paid for him, it would be is it a good FIT- which means will you fit in the program as a player and will you work well with a coach....I would be asking lots of questions....

It is a big world out there and it is nice to have people that we respect (again like those on HSBB) to give us referrals, inside scoop,,,,,,,,I think they call that networking????????????


I guess I have just been wondering as I read through all of this Did I miss something here???????????????????? If so, then I really don't know what this site is for.

OK,,,,,I will beat everyone to it,yup I am on a soapbox.

MOMANDCPA: DON'T LEAVE THIS AREA, we need you here, but I know what you mean I have been spending more time lately on the General Forum because it is more sedate, but girl,,,,,,,,,,,, you are one of us.............after all you are a Texas Girl.

OBN,
YOU GO GIRL I agree with everything you said (including about momandcpa staying put.) I for one was looking forward to some good responses as my son is in the middle of this and it IS confusing no matter what anyone says!!!

OBN, you hit the nail squarely and firmly on the head.

OBN-
You said exactly what I was thinking. My son is in the process of trying to find a college where he would fit - academically and baseball wise. I would appreciate knowing if a coach that we are dealing with has a reputation of being honest and sincere. I pm'd another parent a few weeks ago to get his take on a certain school and a certain coach. I want to know! I want my son to know! I don't want us dealing with someone who is not known to be straight up. We are talking about kids with aspirations to play college ball for a coach who is going to have alot of impact. I don't know about anyone else here, but I sure want that coach to be a positive role model for my son!

So, Texan, thanks so much for wanting to put the word "integrity" on a coach. We need to know about those coaches that we can trust!

So, to add to the list - Steve Coleman, Hardin-Simmons. Nice guy! We just visited with him for about 3 1/2 hours, but he came highly recommended by others. Of the people that I talked to, all of the parents and players who have been involved with Steve's program were highly impressed with it.

I've seen 9 different coaches mentioned here (so far) and I DO APPRECIATE what those who participated in the original topic were willing to share

Fast Ball Mom

Does Ken Guthrie ALWAYS reply here or is it just my imagination?

Ken?

And this thread is meaningless. Every one here knows of or actually knows the coaches that could be mentioned. And every impression is relative.

Ask Drew Bishop what he thought of the Arizona coaches and program three years ago versus what he may (before you jump - I said MAY) think of them today.

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Originally posted by UTPanAmAlum:
Every one here knows of or actually knows the coaches that could be mentioned.

I, for one, don't. That is why I asked. Seems that at least one or two others are in the same boat.

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Originally posted by UTPanAmAlum:
And every impression is relative.

Undeniably true. But with enough pieces, one can usually make out the puzzle.

Drew isn't the only one that was "misled" by Arizona --- perhaps there were signs even then. Of course every impression is relative -- that much is understood. Collective impressions might mean more than single encounters.

Amen on Steve Coleman! -- he was like a 2nd father to PantherSon I ('01-'04).

OBN, Well said.

PD,
I thought this discussion was ONLY about coaches who have demonstrated GOOD integrity, not about those who may not have. Why would Mr. Bishops dealings with Arizona or anybody else that may have been mislead be relevent in this discussion?

Remember we need to be positive.

See above post INITIATED by UTPanAm....

And don't try pulling me into this krap.

PD,
Maybe UTPanAmAlum's post should have been removed by a moderator since it is irrelevant to what this topic is supposed to be about(Good Integrity).

man, that felt good!

H&U -- it's all good.

Sounds like it is time to borrow Collikar's purple pen & start editing, PD.

I agree, I think PD should have used a "c" and not a "k", right?

FBM

I hestitantly speak for collikar, as she is more than capable of speaking for herself.

The purple plume of which you speak is currently being utilized to effect change in T-Bird son's Chemistry and Spanish III classes.

All joking aside, there has been a definite ill wind blowing on topics and posts. I realize there are times where something negative requires some discussion, but it seems to pervade more and more posts all the time.

I don't know if there is an assumption that there is an agenda with every post (parent boasting on/promoting their child, criticism of youth organizations, criticism of coaches, etc.), but I enjoy reading about Ken Guthrie's thoughts, even though I may agree with some and disagree with others. That goes for Texan, momandcpa, PD, KD, ob-n and even Train because he does crack me up, and anyone else who posts here. I don't agree with it all or disagree with it all, but I enjoy and learn from it all.

Perhaps we can learn to read these posts without so much skepticism. That is what is so tough about this board...I don't care how many smiley faces you stick up there, you can't convey intent and people seem to be more willing to type something they would never say to anyone face-to-face.

T-Bird Dad

FBM!!! -- I was afraid the automatic moderation would **** that word with a c -- so, it's officially the k-word!

Send me email with a football update.

Oh, and everything I type here I will type to you all in person!

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:

Oh, and everything I type here I will type to you all in person!

That is a good rule of thumb for everyone. Don't type it if you wouldn't say it directly to someone AND in front of 100 strangers.

Sorry PD for calling you an OLD wise man, I guess I didn't put enough smiley faces on the post so you would know I was just messin with ya.

I deduced your smile, CS.

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Originally posted by dbg_fan:
Dean Stotz - Stanford

I have had many conversations with him. He is one of the good guys!!!

Met with Coach Johnson and Coach Blair at SHSU this week. I consider myself a pretty good judge of people. As a Sales Manager it is my job. While there is the chance that they could be better at it than I, I would still say that I would trust these men with my child. That is what is important to me. This may sound corny, but These coaches will be a big part of my childs life. They will always be part of his make up as a man.

That being said, our egos are not a part of this process. My son just wants to play ball. And in the end he will need not only a Coach, but a friend and mentor.

Hi. First, thank you for mentioning my name in this conversation. Second, I just joined this site, and am looking forward to some good discussions. Finally...

For those of you with sons who are going to play college sports, there is little in my mind that is more important than who his coaches will be. (The only more important question is would this school be a good fit if he has a career-ending injury the first day.) I have coached college ball for 13 years (I just resigned to be a full-time performance consultant this summer) and I have seen some great coaches and some poor ones. Several awful ones. Both make significant differences in the lives of the student-athletes under their charge. Furthermore, ALL are adept in recruiting, so the "sales job" that parents get once they have decided to pursue your son does NOT indicate the quality of the man very well.

Therefore, I believe this conversation could have extraordinary value for some of you. Not being currently affiliated, I am happy to sing the praises of coaches who I know are of high quality. Publicly, I will not criticize anyone or comment on a coach who I do not have first-hand knowledge of. That's just FYI, if you want to ask. First hand knowledge of these men from those who have gone before you is the best way to determine your confidences for sending your son to their charge.

Thanks again for thinking of me as a quality coach. I do try.

-Aaron

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Originally posted by CoachTraub:
Not being currently affiliated, I am happy to sing the praises of coaches who I know are of high quality.

If you're singing, I'm all ears...

Thanks for sharing the other information as well.

Welcome Aboard CoachTraub (Aaron).....It is great to have you here!!!!!

This is a great site, lots of friendly baseball crazy folks, we have a lot of people just itching to learn and to share... This site is amazing and sometimes it can be "a bumpy ride", but overall it is just a wonderful resource and a great place to network.

Welcome!!! we appreciate your experience and your insight on this topic and any others!

I will be sending you a PM as I have a question for you and I am not sure if your email is the same...

Have to say that we were all very impressed with Raynor Noble & company @ U. of Houston....
A couple of sons former teammates are there, one from Coppell, one from Denton.

Rick Jones & Mark Kingston @ Tulane...Son thinks the world of them both...and so far they are true to their word!!

Both schools seem to be looking out for the kids...lots of mentoring, great commeraderie amongst the players, so far.

It's probably not surprising, but I'm impressed by all three coaches at Baylor. Jack Leggett at Clemson is great, as is his former assistant, Tim Corbin, now at Vanderbilt. Mike Martin at FSU is another I'm sure about. Stuart Lake recently left OleMiss for the Citadel. There are lots of other excellent coaches, but also some "me" guys in leadership positions. If you have an idea what level or area of the country your son might play at, I wouldn't be fishing quite so much...

T'was rather an open ended question, wasn't it? By next summer I should have a better feel for how to answer the question of "what level".

Thanks for joining the board & contributing.

Is your "consulting" baseball related?

With no disrespect, and apologize for my ignorance ahead of time...........

May I ask who Mr. Traub is?

I have heard from an unreliable source that Aaron Weintraub is a former summer league coach whose team failed to make the trip to the Connie Mack World Series after all of his players were chosen to play in the Area Code tournament in California.

Isn't Mr. Weintraub an assistant coach at Cedar Valley Community College in the Dallas area?

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Originally posted by FormerObserver:
I have heard from an unreliable source that Aaron Weintraub is a former summer league coach whose team failed to make the trip to the Connie Mack World Series after all of his players were chosen to play in the Area Code tournament in California.

A futile attempt to be funny.

Maybe if the facts were stated versus assumptions than it would.

Although, I tend to consider the source before I smile.

In this case, only my monitor can see my grin.

A guy I felt was very honest and had integrety is Darin Wright of Patten University (Oakland CA).

I applied for the job of asst. coach at his school and he offered me the job and said it was mine to have. Here is where the honesty and integrety come in. He said the job was only going to pay $3000 and that I probably would not be able to move from KY and make it in CA. He said since I would be selling a house and giving up a great high school teaching job he would feel bad if I couldn't make it financially.

I think a lot of people would just say "yeah you can make it" and see what happens.

KG:

CoachTraub

Is Aaron Weintraub who was mentioned earlier in this thread. He has coached at Cedar Valley, in Virgina and I don't have the rest but I am sure he will provide all the details if you like I do know he is in the midst of publishing a book on the mental approach to baseball. His background has been in both coaching and sports psychology.

I have attended one of his seminars, read the proof of his book and it is all good stuff. And he is a very approachable, nice guy.........

I am indeed the former assistant at Cedar Valley College in Dallas. Prior to that, I coached at Emory and UVa (where my degrees are from), Brevard in NC, and Presbyterian College in SC. Now I am a performance consultant for high school and above elite athletes. In addition to my work with Baylor Baseball and the University of Central Arkansas baseball and softball teams, I work with individuals or do group seminars on how to win the mental side of the game.

Thanks for asking.

-Aaron

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Originally posted by FormerObserver:
I have heard from an unreliable source that Aaron Weintraub is a former summer league coach whose team failed to make the trip to the Connie Mack World Series after all of his players were chosen to play in the Area Code tournament in California.

Lord, I apologize..........

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Originally posted by CoachTraub:
I am indeed the former assistant at Cedar Valley College in Dallas. Prior to that, I coached at Emory and UVa (where my degrees are from), Brevard in NC, and Presbyterian College in SC. Now I am a performance consultant for high school and above elite athletes. In addition to my work with Baylor Baseball and the University of Central Arkansas baseball and softball teams, I work with individuals or do group seminars on how to win the mental side of the game.

Thanks for asking.

-Aaron

Nice to meet you and have you.

I played college ball for a man named Don Kalkstein. He was the performance enhancement coach with the Texas Rangers and now for the Boston Red Sox.

Do you know of him?

FO -- you're one of a kind!