Again this has nothing to do with Vitello. I am just wondering after all the games played against A&M why did that go down first game after rain delay. Did someone encourage the behavior?
A big factor of being a great coach is integrity.
Coaching is a lot different than it was years ago. So stop comparing.
Done here.
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:Why do you think he was involved in this specific event?
Coach Vitello is also interesting character, but we can lay behaviors of the fans on him.
Although, this is a mute point, if Texas A&M would have won, does he stay at A&M?
He is like the college version of Larry Brown
No. He has been the UT coach for awhile…
@russinfortworth posted:my grandfather always told me "integrity is what you do when no one is watching". When you can't do the right thing when everyone is watching.........................
Funny, Schloss used to say character was who you were off the field.
people have not believed me about some of the things that have and do happen with coaches. I’m not speaking without some knowledge. By the way there were kids who were unofficially offered by UT to play for this new staff before the CWS. This was happening and pretty final long before.
@baseballhs posted:No. He has been the UT coach for awhile…
And he is a interesting character regardless of tenure. Specific to how fans behave, those with followers will have influence on said followers, they can't control behaviors of followers.
We observe this all the time. Nothing new.
@baseballhs posted:Funny, Schloss used to say character was who you were off the field.
people have not believed me about some of the things that have and do happen with coaches. I’m not speaking without some knowledge. By the way there were kids who were unofficially offered by UT to play for this new staff before the CWS. This was happening and pretty final long before.
IMHO, the issue is one year contracts, thus players are freelancers.
Previously, student athletes had little to no leverage, schools will need to provide 2 to 3 year contracts and if a player want to break the contract, then they would or the new school would need to pay the exit fee.
Well the exodus from A&M has started. LaVoilette, Grahovic, Kaufer, Bell, and Kent have hit the portal.
@ARCEKU21 posted:Interesting reporting from Kendal Rogers in which he said this deal was already completed sometime after the Georgia series and before the regional.
I'm glad A&M lost, then. Can you imagine if they had won?
@ARCEKU21 posted:Well the exodus from A&M has started. LaVoilette, Grahovic, Kaufer, Bell, and Kent have hit the portal.
Schott
@anotherparent posted:I'm glad A&M lost, then. Can you imagine if they had won?
Sad part in all of this is that the spotlight should be on Tennessee. JMO
@russinfortworth posted:Schott
Add in Sorrell now also.
@ARCEKU21 posted:Well the exodus from A&M has started. LaVoilette, Grahovic, Kaufer, Bell, and Kent have hit the portal.
It doesn’t mean that they all are going to leave. It’s strategic positioning and they are smart to do it. They are now in a position to get paid to leave or paid to stay. It gives them options.
@baseballhs posted:Funny, Schloss used to say character was who you were off the field.
people have not believed me about some of the things that have and do happen with coaches. I’m not speaking without some knowledge. By the way there were kids who were unofficially offered by UT to play for this new staff before the CWS. This was happening and pretty final long before.
We are both in a position where neither one of us can tell all of what we know. I believe everything you have ever said about coaching behavior because I have seen the same things. A segment of college baseball becoming big business has escalated bad moral & ethical judgments among coaches in that arena IMO. Anytime I advise a player/parent on the recruiting process I tell them every program begins with the HC. Take a hard look at that guy and figure out if he is a good man, that is fair, and treats people the right way. People like that hire like minded people to work with them. Then the program becomes a reflection of the HC in a good way. Those are the programs to choose. However, as we have all learned this week, the more money that’s involved the fewer high character HCs you will find. The D3 experience that hasn’t been tainted by money is getting more attractive every day.
@adbono posted:We are both in a position where neither one of us can tell all of what we know. I believe everything you have ever said about coaching behavior because I have seen the same things. A segment of college baseball becoming big business has escalated bad moral & ethical judgments among coaches in that arena IMO. Anytime I advise a player/parent on the recruiting process I tell them every program begins with the HC. Take a hard look at that guy and figure out if he is a good man, that is fair, and treats people the right way. People like that hire like minded people to work with them. Then the program becomes a reflection of the HC in a good way. Those are the programs to choose. However, as we have all learned this week, the more money that’s involved the fewer high character HCs you will find. The D3 experience that hasn’t been tainted by money is getting more attractive every day.
What are some of the things to look for in a hc? What are some of the questions to ask?
@adbono posted:We are both in a position where neither one of us can tell all of what we know. I believe everything you have ever said about coaching behavior because I have seen the same things. A segment of college baseball becoming big business has escalated bad moral & ethical judgments among coaches in that arena IMO. Anytime I advise a player/parent on the recruiting process I tell them every program begins with the HC. Take a hard look at that guy and figure out if he is a good man, that is fair, and treats people the right way. People like that hire like minded people to work with them. Then the program becomes a reflection of the HC in a good way. Those are the programs to choose. However, as we have all learned this week, the more money that’s involved the fewer high character HCs you will find. The D3 experience that hasn’t been tainted by money is getting more attractive every day.
@adbono Agree. The formula is pretty simple.
1 - Head Coaching Tenure
2 - HC Roster Management strategy over a period of time (3 to 4 yrs) (HS, JUCO /Portal)
3 - For New coaches, where was he before (what was their) roster management strategy
For example, Link Jarrett was hired June 24, 2022.
Going into 2023 season, who left from 2022 team
What were the position of outgoing players from 2022 season
Incoming Players for 2023 Season, Note, most of the 2023 recruits (Mike Martin) were on the team (16 freshman)
Positions
Record 9-21, 23-31
Outgoing players for 2024 season (9 freshman from 2023 left program)
Incoming recruiting class (was a 15 freshman, 9 transfer portal, 4 JUCO)
If you do your research from this perspective, then you can start asking some other targeted questions, specific to your situation.
@Dadof3 posted:What are some of the things to look for in a hc? What are some of the questions to ask?
You evaluate the character of a HC the same way you would evaluate an employer. Talk to people that have interacted with him. Talk to current players, talk to former players, talk to coaches that have worked with him, etc. Find a personal connection that you trust. Check coaching history. Check coaching tree (which will often tell you a lot). Check his social media. Basically perform your own background check. Sources come from surprisingly places. With my youngest son, he was evaluating an offer from a Oklahoma JuCo and was learning toward taking it. I happened to be at a HS game that had a high profile prospect (who is now in MLB) and randomly sat down at a table that had a good vantage point. I had no idea that that the other seats at the table were taken by scouts from Oklahoma. When I realized that I asked one of them about the coach of the JuCo my son was considering. His reply was, “he is an outstanding man and I would be happy for my son to play for him” That was all I needed to hear. My son committed the next day. And it proved to be a very good decision - which I written about on here more than enough. But nothing would have gone the way it did for my son had he not played for a HC that’s a good man.
@Dadof3 posted:What are some of the things to look for in a hc? What are some of the questions to ask?
Perfect question for @Consultant
"Speed"
Question #1 - What is your mental picture of my son? What is the opinion of your Assistant Coaches?
Question #2 - what are your team goals and objectives and how do you plan to achieve them?
Question #3 - How important do you value the Summer League placement?
Question #4 - Do you have "mandatory" Study Hall?
Question #5 - If a player goes 0-4. what is your plan for success.
Bob
@Dadof3 posted:What are some of the things to look for in a hc? What are some of the questions to ask?
with my limited experience with college coaches, I might also want to know "what type of player does he lean towards" what are the characteristics of the player and his play he prefers. Ex. Some prefer multi-position guys and will play them over better one position guys, etc.
Sometimes characteristics of a player will go further than talent. Or more likely make the difference when talent is equal, so knowing what the coach likes, can make a difference. I think that question needs to be asked of many people around the coach, not just the coach himself. Because not always are you self-aware of your preferences and tendencies.
And if you really like the coach overall and want to play there, but you may not exactly be that type of person or player that fits his mold, you better learn to fake it until you make it so. IF you can't, I'd look elsewhere.
@HSDad22 posted:And if you really like the coach overall and want to play there, but you may not exactly be that type of person or player that fits his mold, you better learn to fake it until you make it so. IF you can't, I'd look elsewhere.
Most coaches are pretty smart, so I strongly suggest not faking anything.
Coaches have a philosophy as to how they recruit for their particular program. If you ask, they might explain how they build their roster.
My son's biggest priority was to find the coaching staff who could get him where he wanted to go, which was drafted.
Definetly, do your homework as suggested by adbono. Keep in mind the bigger and more successful the program, the tougher the coach will be on a player.
And as mentioned, those type of coaches are really good men.
JMO
@TPM posted:Most coaches are pretty smart, so I strongly suggest not faking anything.
Coaches have a philosophy as to how they recruit for their particular program. If you ask, they might explain how they build their roster.
My son's biggest priority was to find the coaching staff who could get him where he wanted to go, which was drafted.
Definetly, do your homework as suggested by adbono. Keep in mind the bigger and more successful the program, the tougher the coach will be on a player.
And as mentioned, those type of coaches are really good men.
JMO
@HSDad22 I agree with @tpm , I would take it a step further. Perform your own independent review of your target schools roster management approach.
Here is a link to a free version of Team Roster Turnover Insights
This data driven analysis provides more detail than what most coaches know or will divulge
I am of the opinion that a baseball coach can run a D1 program that regularly competes for a national championship without being a liar, a cheater, an abuser, an egomaniac or a general all around bad guy. During most of my lifetime the Texas A&M baseball program has been run by good men that embodied sound principles and led by a good example. I played for Tom Chandler who was a good man - @Consultant can verify that. He was followed by Mark Johnson, who is also a good man and had more success than Coach Chandler did. It got off track with the hiring of Rob Childress and following him up with Schlossnagle was no improvement in terms of the experience for the players. IMO a lot of it can be blamed on money and greed. And the creation of the transfer portal and NIL make it easy for players and coaches to be greedy and selfish. Based on the history of college baseball I can’t blame the players for what they are doing. But IMO part of coaching is embracing servant leadership. It takes a special person to lead a big time college baseball program the right way in today’s world. I know that a big part of the current coaching search is finding a man that can lead the Aggies without compromising the principles on which Texas A&M University was founded. The way it went down was awful, and there was clearly intent by UT and Schloss to inflict as much damage to the Aggie baseball program as possible. But the Aggies have overcome adversity before than this will be overcome too. This is an opportunity to get back to how things should be done.
The rumor is the Dallas Baptist coach will be the new A&M coach.
@RJM posted:The rumor is the Dallas Baptist coach will be the new A&M coach.
That’s what I believed when I went to sleep last night. More has happened since then.
Texas A&M hires Mike Earley as their new baseball coach. Earley has been an Asst Coach (hitting) for the Aggies for the past 3 years. He was strongly recommended by current & former players and this hire will likely allow the Aggies to retain most (if not all) their players that are currently in the transfer portal. This hire was about more than baseball. It’s about the Aggie Baseball program getting back to doing things the right way. The ugly way that all of this went down has galvanized the Aggie Baseball Program and it’s fan base. It will be very interesting to see what happens.
All the coaches originally agreed to follow Schloss. In all my years following college baseball, I have never seen such a, you know what show!
Players were left in limbo as to who they could and couldn't talk too. But there is speculation on that too.
I am happy, for the players, that they came up with a quick solution. Hiring an outsider would have slowed the process.
JMO
Early was the one coach that didn’t know in advance about the move to Texas. He seemed to have been ambushed by the circumstances and taken along with the preconceived notion that he would cooperate. He never signed a contract in Austin and he never removed his affiliation with Texas A&M from his social media accounts. Schloss thought he could bully him into going along - which is par for the course with that guy. Current Aggie players rallied for him almost immediately - led by the pitching staff. The pitchers have been very vocal in their support of Earley and surprisingly candid about things they didn’t like about Schloss. The key for Earley success will be hiring an elite staff around him. Unlike HS, in college baseball the Asst Coaches are the heartbeat of the program. If he gets that part right, current players stay, current players recruit new players, and the vibe stays this positive, the results could be just as good as they were under Schloss. Some are saying that Earley had been running the nitty gritty for the past two years while Schloss attended press conferences. A lot of allegations have been made about alleged wrongdoing by Schloss during the time between when he agreed to take the Texas job and the announcement was made. Mainly it has to do with recruiting players to UT while he was still coaching A&M in the CWS. A Houston based personal injury attorney is currently gathering evidence to see if is enough to make a formal charge. This will surely be a 30 for 30 someday
I agree with most of what you posted. Supposedly he never discussed it with staff until after the game was over, unless a believable story was put together for a reason.
This is a master plan example of what you don't do. But I recently heard that Schloss was the heartbeat of NCAA Baseball.
I wonder if that will remain the case, moving into 2025.
FWIW, coaches cannot recruit any player in another program unless they enter the portal.
@TPM posted:FWIW, coaches cannot recruit any player in another program unless they enter the portal.
this is what supposed to happen. This isn’t always what happens. This last week should show that there are a lot of coaches, even highly respected ones, who are not doing things the way they are supposed to be done.
@baseballhs posted:this is what supposed to happen. This isn’t always what happens. This last week should show that there are a lot of coaches, even highly respected ones, who are not doing things the way they are supposed to be done.
I will confirm that this absolutely does go on.
@TPM posted:We know it happens. I was replying that if it did before he resigned, it's illegal.
It did go on before he resigned and it is illegal. And most likely nothing will be done about it. The NCAA won’t touch this. If anyone does anything it will be the SEC but that’s not likely either as Commissioner Sankey was at UT ceremony today. Screenshots showing proof of contact were sent to Kendall Rogers but he wants no part of this either. In all probability the only consequence of the tampering will be that Schloss’ reputation has been sullied on a national stage. Thank goodness that reporter asked his question at the end of the postgame press conference or it might have been a clean getaway.
I've seen it floating around - and I don't know how true it is but - Schlossnagle sold his house in November. A possibility this has been in the works for quite some time - or at the very least that he was planning on getting out of there regardless of whether UT came around or not.
Very HS gossip of me but all things considered this is an extremely unique situation and we know this didn't happen overnight.
