quote:Originally posted by Outsider_2007:quote:Originally posted by SWAC:
PD, stop doing bumps
Wow!
Outsider that a joke between PD and myself. No harm intended.
Outsider that a joke between PD and myself. No harm intended.
Outsider that a joke between PD and myself. No harm intended.
quote:No harm intended.
none taken
Wow, you guys are just begging for Tommy to respond again to set the story straight!
First, Tommy just built a first rate field and practice facility. Name one other club in the metroplex that can offer that to their players.
Second, the Tigers compete on a national level, just like East Cobb does. Many of the best clubs charge fees. It keeps the coaches (who are one of the biggest assets of the club) from wasting a ton of time looking at kids that can't play at this level.
Check out the Tiger website, look at the alumni list, look at the championships. Tommy spends hundreds of hours each year helping kids get scholarships and get drafted. He doesn't charge anyone a dime to act as their free advisor and agent.
Finally, that field probably cost upwards of $200,000. Do you think he is paying for that on his instructor's salary? If so, he'll probably want you to bring your kids over for lessons. I hear he's getting $1,000 an hour.
No, finally, if you don't like it, listen to the other Tiger fans...don't come.
First, Tommy just built a first rate field and practice facility. Name one other club in the metroplex that can offer that to their players.
Second, the Tigers compete on a national level, just like East Cobb does. Many of the best clubs charge fees. It keeps the coaches (who are one of the biggest assets of the club) from wasting a ton of time looking at kids that can't play at this level.
Check out the Tiger website, look at the alumni list, look at the championships. Tommy spends hundreds of hours each year helping kids get scholarships and get drafted. He doesn't charge anyone a dime to act as their free advisor and agent.
Finally, that field probably cost upwards of $200,000. Do you think he is paying for that on his instructor's salary? If so, he'll probably want you to bring your kids over for lessons. I hear he's getting $1,000 an hour.
No, finally, if you don't like it, listen to the other Tiger fans...don't come.
I am not surprised to see a fee associated with the Tiger's tryouts. Gone are the days of not having to "advertise" for the Tigers.
I, too, know families and friends personally that NEVER got a call from the organization if or when their player didn't make the team for a 2nd year (or 3rd, etc.) I even "broke" the news to a few!!
Sour grapes? No, my son is an alumni and played many a championship game for Tommy H. However, the Dallas area select teams have changed -- and so have the Tigers and their blazing orange outfits!
I, too, know families and friends personally that NEVER got a call from the organization if or when their player didn't make the team for a 2nd year (or 3rd, etc.) I even "broke" the news to a few!!
Sour grapes? No, my son is an alumni and played many a championship game for Tommy H. However, the Dallas area select teams have changed -- and so have the Tigers and their blazing orange outfits!
I really didn't intend to participate further in this thread.
bb, there are other teams in this state that compete on a national level. Some actually have higher reputations nationally than even the Tigers. They also have very impressive alumni lists and many skins on the wall. Their coaches also spend many hours helping kids and don't charge for their advisor services. Yet they don't charge $50 for tryouts.
Mr. Hernandez can charge whatever he chooses. That is permissible in this country. But it is also permissible for others to express their opinion.
I see P. T. Barnum coming out of the bullpen, time to go...
bb, there are other teams in this state that compete on a national level. Some actually have higher reputations nationally than even the Tigers. They also have very impressive alumni lists and many skins on the wall. Their coaches also spend many hours helping kids and don't charge for their advisor services. Yet they don't charge $50 for tryouts.
Mr. Hernandez can charge whatever he chooses. That is permissible in this country. But it is also permissible for others to express their opinion.
I see P. T. Barnum coming out of the bullpen, time to go...
OK, even though I am a Tiger and I'll sit here and defend the organization, I think everything that could possibly be said on the subject has been said. It's like everyone keeps saying the same thing. Lets say for some reason Tommy is a big bad wolf, well he's human and last time I checked we all make mistakes. I'm not saying this is a mistake, or that he hasn't changed with the times, but I am saying he can do what he wants. I'm sure he's heard these complaints at some point. I will however express to my dad the desire to receive a phone call if a kid doesn't make it. Maybe then we can start writing a new page.
Amazing..... how long can you beat a dead horse?
did I forget my smiley face ??
sorry!
(I looked darn good in orange all those years, too!)
sorry!
(I looked darn good in orange all those years, too!)
The Tigers don't wear as much orange these days. I remember when I was 13 we had orange vests that we'd wear with the blue shirts underneath... good times.
Is the complaint of no phone call because you paid for the tryout? I know of another organization (actually gone now due to mergers) that did not call after tryouts. I felt it was very unprofessional, but when you have 80-100 kids tryout and maybe pick 2-3, I guess there was not time to call. My son and I discussed it and we decided it was their loss. It just made him play a little harder when he played against them.
Dead Horse....
So in summation:
1. Not calling after a tryout to say you didn't make the team is not a good idea if you have paid to tryout (and even if you didn't that is the least a team/coach can do).
2. Paying for a tryout is not a popular idea.
How about end of the story.............
So in summation:
1. Not calling after a tryout to say you didn't make the team is not a good idea if you have paid to tryout (and even if you didn't that is the least a team/coach can do).
2. Paying for a tryout is not a popular idea.
How about end of the story.............
I think that everyone can agree calling would be good, or an evaluation, something to that affect. But otherwise, it's up to the people in charge and it is beating a dead horse.
Most of the other local "orginizations" tryout over the fall season and charge much more than $50. You do get to play games in that as well, but if you are not selected for the next spring/summer, I don't think there is a call coming your way. You are asked to play if you passed the "tryouts".
Not defending the Tigers, they probably have a pretty good idea of who they want for each age anyway, so I am sure it is too keep some folks away. Plus if I am not mistaken, they do not play over the fall, so this is it. Maybe DTiger can clarify that.
Not defending the Tigers, they probably have a pretty good idea of who they want for each age anyway, so I am sure it is too keep some folks away. Plus if I am not mistaken, they do not play over the fall, so this is it. Maybe DTiger can clarify that.
Our tryouts for my team personally, not the other teams, is for fall as well. The fall of the junior year is a big one for the Tigers. We go to many showcases around the country. Last year the (then 16) 17 year old group went to 10 (I may be off a little) showcases. For other teams the tryout will be for spring/summer time mainly. The Tigers realize that rest is important for players and especially pitchers, along with the participation in other sports.
quote:Originally posted by Bowie Pop:
Most of the other local "orginizations" tryout over the fall season and charge much more than $50. You do get to play games in that as well, but if you are not selected for the next spring/summer, I don't think there is a call coming your way. You are asked to play if you passed the "tryouts".
Ok - my last comments on the subject. If the reason for charging a fee is to keep weaker kids away, then why hold "open" tryouts? Why not simply conduct tryouts by invitation only? And if the reason for the fee is to pay for tryout expenses, then why charge new players $50 and returning players $25? Does it cost more to take a longer look at a new player?
Let me make it clear one more time as I retire from this thread --- I DO NOT THINK TOMMY HERNANDEZ MANAGES THE TIGERS TO GET RICH. But I think the practice of requiring fees for tryouts --- for ANY team --- sends an inappropriate message.
Peace.
Let me make it clear one more time as I retire from this thread --- I DO NOT THINK TOMMY HERNANDEZ MANAGES THE TIGERS TO GET RICH. But I think the practice of requiring fees for tryouts --- for ANY team --- sends an inappropriate message.
Peace.
Always smart with the word choices. I must say though PD, aren't all teams hoping to find that hidden gem? If tryouts were not open, wouldn't we take that silly hope away?
PD
and I like your word choice "weaker" vs riff raff that was used by another poster earlier.
and I like your word choice "weaker" vs riff raff that was used by another poster earlier.
IMO, The fee for a tryout is the Tiger's perspective... Maybe they are determining the tryout-ees commitment? They do have a reputation as an excellent organization. I know from personal experience how wasteful it is to have 10,20,30.... players show up and have no realistic ability, commitment or finances to play a season at the level we play... so How unrealistic can a tryout fee be? The East Cobb Astro's charge $100 and get hundreds of players in each age group. I personally think it is a good idea under thier circumstances. I tell the players what I think at the end of the tryout, Our i call and let them know once a decision has been made. (you should at least make a call an honest opinion is one of the best tools a coach has!!!)
quote:Originally posted by John G.:
I know from personal experience how wasteful it is to have 10,20,30.... players show up and have no realistic ability, commitment or finances to play a season at the level we play...
Comments such as these (and some others on this thread and some other threads) sound very elitest. It is this type of attitude that at times makes me stop and wonder why I follow this website. If you want to have tryouts that are invitiation only then by all means have it that way....if you are going to have "open" tryouts then there should be a minimum amount of regard or respect for those players who come to a tryout and give it their all to compete for a roster spot.
If it is so dadgum wasteful then don't have open tryouts.
Elite-ist...No.... Realist yes! If you are serious enough to pay $50 for a tryout then you should have an idea of the commitment of time, money,travel ect... and you should have an idea of the talent... thats all im saying... Comments like yours sound like the unrealistic dad whose child is on the mustangs third team feeling like he got his chain yanked, This is a forum meaning up for discussion...it is my experienced opinion...
PantherDad <-- bites his tongue (he said he was done with this topic) 
Again why are so many of you so concerned about the Tigers fee? Every orgainzation has a fee hidden somewhere? Plus there is fall league charging $250 per player "to Try Out"? I know you get to play some games but basically your trying out for that scholarship aren't you?
I love it when Dallas Tigers tryout for $25-50 gets more replies in half the time, than the Connie Mack WS thread.
Now that is hard to do.
It appears to be a genuine dislike for the organization. I am sure they are losing players due to the fee.
It also sounds that there are several out there that despise this stance. I'm good with that. There also seems to be a faction of people that have had a bad experience. I'm good with that too.
I get it. It's not for everyone, but to chastise an organization, because they charge a tryout fee is just simply incredible.
OB,
Let it go! We understand you are not happy with the Tigers. The horse really is dead. You are now abusing the horse. I think I should call the SPCA or something. Surely there is something or someone else that has wronged you in the last year. I would even be willing to read it on this thread.
Just give the Tigers a call and voice your disapproval of them and let them know you wanted a phone call.
I like PD am done with this. Of course unless someone baits me back into it.
Now that is hard to do.
It appears to be a genuine dislike for the organization. I am sure they are losing players due to the fee.
It also sounds that there are several out there that despise this stance. I'm good with that. There also seems to be a faction of people that have had a bad experience. I'm good with that too.
I get it. It's not for everyone, but to chastise an organization, because they charge a tryout fee is just simply incredible.
OB,
Let it go! We understand you are not happy with the Tigers. The horse really is dead. You are now abusing the horse. I think I should call the SPCA or something. Surely there is something or someone else that has wronged you in the last year. I would even be willing to read it on this thread.
Just give the Tigers a call and voice your disapproval of them and let them know you wanted a phone call.
I like PD am done with this. Of course unless someone baits me back into it.
Good post, PD (the one before biting the tongue).
Let's shut 'er down & move on. Enough bumps for the Tigers tryout announcement.
Let's shut 'er down & move on. Enough bumps for the Tigers tryout announcement.
quote:Originally posted by John G.:
Elite-ist...No.... Realist yes! If you are serious enough to pay $50 for a tryout then you should have an idea of the commitment of time, money,travel ect... and you should have an idea of the talent... thats all im saying... Comments like yours sound like the unrealistic dad whose child is on the mustangs third team feeling like he got his chain yanked, This is a forum meaning up for discussion...it is my experienced opinion...
Disclaimer: For those responding to defend the Tigers fee....I have no problem with the fee at all. That is there perogative and their business decision. I have no problem with it.
John G - I am not an unrealist dad of a 3rd team mustang player that had a bad experience. In fact, we had a very good experience on our summer team and we did not get our chains yanked.
You are correct John G. this is a forum for opinions....it is called hsbaseballweb, it is not topsummerteamsweb, mustangweb, dbatweb or tigersweb. I don't care if a player is the most talented or least talented at a particular tryout...they still deserve some basic respect.
My apologizies to those trying to shut down this thread...a nerve was struck by John G (not the Tigers) very late in this discussion. I am done now.
Is the fat lady singing yet?
We'll keep the topic open to allow further information on the Tigers tryout(s). The discussion concerning the fee should be considered CLOSED. Don't make me delete posts (I'll have to learn how to do it! )
One thing I'd like to say though concerning disagreements here. Please act like adults -- make your point and accept the fact that there are a myriad of opinions. Reiterate if you want to expand or further clarify. But I challenge everyone to avoid the thought that everyone ELSE here hates your team or your group -- that is childish and silly. I also challenge you to show respect for the organizations that help make this area great for HS and summer baseball....not three of four, but many groups.
Let's all try to be a little less paranoid and a bit more positive.
-PD
) One thing I'd like to say though concerning disagreements here. Please act like adults -- make your point and accept the fact that there are a myriad of opinions. Reiterate if you want to expand or further clarify. But I challenge everyone to avoid the thought that everyone ELSE here hates your team or your group -- that is childish and silly. I also challenge you to show respect for the organizations that help make this area great for HS and summer baseball....not three of four, but many groups.
Let's all try to be a little less paranoid and a bit more positive.
-PD
So... how 'bout them Rangers?
PD
Agree, to close the topic except about tryouts but,,,,,,,,I have to say one thing to Outsider2007:
I am not anti Tigers, never have been (do a search of my posts and you will see no anti tigers posts there/ever after 1,000 posts), I was anti the fee based tryout............you read something that wasn't there.
PM to Outsider2007
Agree, to close the topic except about tryouts but,,,,,,,,I have to say one thing to Outsider2007:
I am not anti Tigers, never have been (do a search of my posts and you will see no anti tigers posts there/ever after 1,000 posts), I was anti the fee based tryout............you read something that wasn't there.
PM to Outsider2007
I can post something about tryouts.
After talking to the pops, I can clarify that this will most likely be (90%) be the only tryout for fall and spring seasons. This is for my team only, but I would suspect that this is also the only team that parents would be concerned about fall ball conflicting with football. I would encourage everyone to come out, even if fall ball will be out of the option, the team will work with you.
After talking to the pops, I can clarify that this will most likely be (90%) be the only tryout for fall and spring seasons. This is for my team only, but I would suspect that this is also the only team that parents would be concerned about fall ball conflicting with football. I would encourage everyone to come out, even if fall ball will be out of the option, the team will work with you.
OBN, sorry for the choice of words.
We all know that baseball is brutal on kids who don't measure up to that level of talent. Baseball at the select level has gotten very elitist and are looking for the best players and fit for their organizations to win.
I also don't believe that a team should Have to call each tryout player. For 100 kids, that could be very time consuming. A better idea would be the following. They should at a minimum post a list on their website, facility, field, or send emails. Just common courtesy.
I agree with P-Dad that some are getting paranoid about this being an attack on the Tigers. It is commentary about the practice and that is OK.
Special note to some: POSTING UNDER MULTIPLE ID'S WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. STOP IT!
We all know that baseball is brutal on kids who don't measure up to that level of talent. Baseball at the select level has gotten very elitist and are looking for the best players and fit for their organizations to win.
I also don't believe that a team should Have to call each tryout player. For 100 kids, that could be very time consuming. A better idea would be the following. They should at a minimum post a list on their website, facility, field, or send emails. Just common courtesy.
I agree with P-Dad that some are getting paranoid about this being an attack on the Tigers. It is commentary about the practice and that is OK.
Special note to some: POSTING UNDER MULTIPLE ID'S WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. STOP IT!
quote:Special note to some: POSTING UNDER MULTIPLE ID'S WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. STOP IT!
Posting that in a Tiger thread should get the message across..
Where's The Train? 
Why do you care what another team does if it doesn't effect you?
I think PD "closed" the discussion/debate/argument/bickering about the fee and everything that goes along with it.
Baseball is FUN... lets not get all worried about things that are outside of baseball.
Baseball is FUN... lets not get all worried about things that are outside of baseball.
10-4.
One last thing...Collikar...that coach that didn't make the call when your kid was cut...isn't he now with the Marshalls? He must be Catcher's problem now.
Momandcpa,
At least you know where I am coming from on this.....I wish you would let me give your son the KUDO's he deserves he is the best kept secret on here and man can that kid hit (no KILL) the ball...........I have seen him hit 2 bombs with a wood bat out at Baylor in the past. And that is just a sampling of this kid.....Just glad he isn't in our district!!!!!
Bighit15
I totally agree with you on not having to call everyone but for a team to have something in place, like you said posting the info. or a hotline just so people aren't hanging......
And I knew where you were going on the post, the word choice just had me cringe, but no biggie.......
And yes, the multiple postings, don't have many of us fooled.........I have been run over enough times by a train to see where it is going......May just have to go back to my Hazel I.D.
At least you know where I am coming from on this.....I wish you would let me give your son the KUDO's he deserves he is the best kept secret on here and man can that kid hit (no KILL) the ball...........I have seen him hit 2 bombs with a wood bat out at Baylor in the past. And that is just a sampling of this kid.....Just glad he isn't in our district!!!!!
Bighit15
I totally agree with you on not having to call everyone but for a team to have something in place, like you said posting the info. or a hotline just so people aren't hanging......
And I knew where you were going on the post, the word choice just had me cringe, but no biggie.......
And yes, the multiple postings, don't have many of us fooled.........I have been run over enough times by a train to see where it is going......May just have to go back to my Hazel I.D.
quote:Originally posted by momandcpa:
NOT that she needs me to come to her rescue... BUT, anyone that has followed OBNs posts can plainly decipher that OBN is a very positive person AND poster... She is the person on this site that is extremely positive AND generous with her accolades!
AND, her son knows how to throw a baseball as well!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OBN
Momandcpa,
At least you know where I am coming from on this.....I wish you would let me give your son the KUDO's he deserves he is the best kept secret on here and man can that kid hit (no KILL) the ball...........I have seen him hit 2 bombs with a wood bat out at Baylor in the past. And that is just a sampling of this kid.....Just glad he isn't in our district!!!!!
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