DC Baseball is.....

how about dematha?

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Originally posted by terpfan:
how about dematha?

Hope you are doing well with your 'Stop Smoking'!

We may need to chat more about:
a) Bonds being inducted into the HoF.
b) DeMatha being in Hyattsville.
c) Hyattsville is near Riverdale & College Park which are in Maryland.
d) Your son getting drafted.
e) Other players from the WCAC who are in D1 Colleges that have not transferred, are not at home, and have gotten decent playing time in college.

Bear: Not sure anyone understands your point. Please name another Maryland/DC High School this year that will have NINE DIVISION ONE signees --- and what that says about the high school baseball program ---- and then we can talk about Barry (who cares) Bonds.

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Originally posted by Trepfan:
Bear: Not sure anyone understands your point. Please name another Maryland/DC High School this year that will have NINE DIVISION ONE signees --- and what that says about the high school baseball program ---- and then we can talk about Barry (who cares) Bonds.

Dear Trepfan,

Since you may not know Terpfan, as well as I, the INTEL was specific for Terpfan.

Should you, Trepfan want to chat off line, as we have both enjoyed (I think) in the past several years, you have my number. And since this will probably be a long conversation, is it appropriate to return your back of your hand slap on my face....with the following volley

..I see no need to match wits with someone unarmed!

cheers

Needless to say, Saint Johns College High School Head Coach Mark Gibbs deserves a lot of credit for getting his nine seniors prepared to play Division 1 College baseball. In addition, the senior group of players this year have terrific leadership skills --- and should be excellent mentors for the younger players on the team -- so the tradition should continue.

Trepfan,

Rest assured, WCAC talent (and for the last 50 years) is as cyclic as the DC Metro weather (i.e. wait 10 minutes and it will change!).

Good luck to your son. Stay healthy

The WCAC talent far out weighs any public school in Montgomery County.....This really "hits home" when a WCAC Team plays a Montgomery County Public School Team --- Of course the WCAC baseball players usually workout year round ----

trep, fair points but in today's game I'd like to think that most are working out year round, conditioning, hitting, throwing, and running unless they're playing other sports. I will simply add that cyclical or not, this year is going to be a very special year in the WCAC. The WCAC has a tremendous amount of talent that has already signed to play at the next level and come spring time there will be even more.

To the "Rookies"
(Trepfan (and maybe j2h6):

Don't pass on whatever you've been smoking. or maybe do you have a clue when the WCAC was either the WMAC or CL?

In 2006: Madison and maybe Centennial coulda/woulda beat GC & PVI and 9 out of 10.

In 2005: Centennial coulda/woulda beat SJ & DM, 3 out of five.

In 2003: Severna Park and DM/SJ would have pushed.

In 2002: Madison would have beaten anybody in the WCAC

In 2001: Arundel HS would have gone head to head with GZ & OC & RB

In 1999, K Nelson & R Delaney would have shut down WCAC Champs SJ

DM has won the championship several times in the 2000's, however GC, SJ & PVI if run the table over the next years could be on top before the decade begins.

DM dominated in the 1980's and 1990's.
OC and DM won frequently in the 1970's, however in '69 R Montgomery & Einstein would shut down OC, and & DM.

OC ran away with it in the 60's.

History lessons complete, rook.

cheers

bear,

The fact that you think any team coulda/woulda, should have, would have been shut down, the fact still remains, none of it happened, but you're entitled to your opinion just as I am regarding my opinion that this year in the WCAC will be something special to watch, nothing more, nothing less. I know there are very good teams in Maryland and I'm sure you've had a hand in many of them if not in the player's development at some point along the way. I think that's great ! Don't let my excitement about the upcoming season diminish any of the accomplishments that any of these other players in the surrounding area have also accomplished. Maybe we can get together some time and talk history of baseball and facts. I love the game and would love to learn from a different point of view.

signed: rookie

Bear:

Take a quick look at the WCAC 2008 grads and where they have signed to play -- Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Mississippi State, LaSalle, Radford -- and then look at where the public school kids have signed -- enough said.....

Say da "Rook's"

- I have enjoyed watching and following players in the WCAC/WMCA/CL/BCL/MIAA/PAC/EIEIO many others ...and for fifty years.

- I have also enjoyed watching/following the WCAC (and other 'area' HS conferences) boys (and girls) after each advanced (to college/pros) following HS graduation.

[& a tad bit of trivia for "da Rook's": Have either seen or heard of the best of the best HS fastpitch players in the 'area'. Advanced to become one of the best of the best fastpitch players at the collegiate levels. And advanced again to become one of the best of the best fastpitch players at the pro levels! Was inducted last month into the Greater Washington Hall of Fame.!]

With regards to all of these HS players. Some will play in college. Some will play regularly. Some will not.

Just after Thanksgiving, I ran into an ol' friend (who is in the final stages of constructing the new stadium in SE DC. I work nearby.) It was mentioned there was a new intern whose family I new. The graduate, so I heard, had a wonderful college athletic career yet wondered if he had attended a bigger baseball conference, would he had received additional exposure and be drafted.

I consider "Special" players are those Eric Milton's, Steve Schmoll's, Mike Kaplove's, Todd Benke's, Gavin Floyd's, Mark Teixeria's, plus others (i.e. Chorye Spoone, John Maine, David Wright, Ryan Braun, Zimmerman, a healthy J Maxwell, Stevey Garrison's, Brett Cecil's etc) types, sort of speak.

IMHO- There are five "Special" HS players in the 'area' (o.k. maybe eight) whom I, and many others, will be traveling within a 150 mi radius of this 'area'
to follow in the spring.

With respect to WCAC 2008 grads and some of the colleges each are signed to attend. Congratulations. The hard work and commitment both on (and off the field for most) I believe should be recognized. It's upsetting the Maryland State Amateur Baseball Coaches (MSABC) who will be meeting soon will be nominating, discussing and selecting the top 30 or so MD HS players (and maybe this year, change the rules to include DC and VA metro HS players).

And of those conferences from where the colleges of the WCAC HS players are, a few of them woulda/coulda be be$t off signing and playing rookie ball in June 08.

For some others of these players and those attending the lower/middle tiers conferences, it's my experience that each coulda/should understand (with respect to signing a NLI and becoming student-athlete) the following:

- Does it fit academically/athletically/socially?
- Will there be enough playing time?
- If unable to be a student-athlete, will he/she want to continue college (at that school) as a student?
- Do the college coaches care about (the student-althete) as:
a player?
a student?
a person?
a human being?
(Many 'rookies' are simply surprised here)
- Is this college the right place?

Rambling too much. Gotta get moving for morning services.

cheers
Bear

Bear,

Regarding Einstein '70 team. You must mean '69. I was there in '70 and it wasn't pretty...

OK da Rooks:

With my weekly singing, cracker & vino, I feel better.

Since you two want to chat about WCAC,Trep prefers to chat about SJ, and (maybe) J2H6 PVI.

For 2008, maybe we should discuss (and agree) who will be in the top of the HS baseball rankings.

PVI coulda/shoulda be in the top tiers of WPost pre-season ranks. So should STJ & G-Burg.
Should there be a B-More-DC preseason poll,
Calvert Hall & Spaulding coulda/shoulda be in the top ranks.

For 2008, we shoulda/coulda also discuss who we should NOT see. IMHO, I don't expect to see DM nor RBapt, (sorry Crusader...and thanks for the heads up as I was remembering "R. Eisi" was early 70's yet was actually late 60's), and maybe NOT GC, nor QO (early)

With respect to any tradition of winning the WCAC title, I don't believe any STJ debate will be fruitful for you.
STJ won their first Championship, WCAC Tourney title in 1999. A 2nd WCAC Tourney Championship in 2005.
Maybe one of the current nine STJ players signing a D1 NLI for '08-09, can claim a history of any WCAC Tourney Championship Baseball title.
Does this mean STJ is hungary? Or due?

Maybe or next discussion coulda/woulda be about the professional players (either drafted or free agent signs) out of St. Johns HS. (Let's travel to late 50's.) In fact, a few family members of one (of six) of the STJ alum that played pro ball is coaching in the area (GC HS fastpitch), and another coulda/woulda be drafted out of D1 College this year (also graduated from 'public HS', and a good looking catcher.)

cheers
Bear

Okay guys. I have a son that will be going in to 7th grade next year. I know HS is a ways off but I have a questions.

Say you cannot afford a private school which can be very expensive in MD. I agree that the HS baseball in MD is pretty weak.

Baseball in general is weak even when compared to VA and NC.

Do you have any suggestions on what to do? Does St Johns offer scholarship or financial aid? Son is also a straight A student.

Lastly, how hard were these top kids working in the off-season when they were 11,12, or 13?


Thanks,



Bill

Bill L.:

Most of the prep schools in Maryland/DC offer finanical aid and have a sliding scale based on household income. I would suggest that if you are interested in a particular school to sign up for their baseball camps. Saint Johns College High School in DC has several camps scheduled during the year and kids are seen and if applicable converse with the coaches about their future high school plans. You may want to see what leagues the specific school that you have interest in -- participates. As is the case with public schools and particular counties in Maryland -- certain leagues are more competive than others. The WCAC has had an excellent reputation of attracting some of the best talent in the Washington, Maryland, Virginia area.

Calvert Hall College High School! Their entire program went undefeated in 2007. Lou Eckerl should get some respect in here too.

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Originally posted by Hit it Square:
Calvert Hall College High School! Their entire program went undefeated in 2007. Lou Eckerl should get some respect in here too.

Absolutely correct....in fact Calvert Hall has beaten Saint Johns during the past several years. The Calvert Hall Program is first rate ---- It should be interesting when they travel to Phil Nevin in California this March and play against other strong high school programs from Texas, Florida and California.

Saint Johns College High School is ranked 2nd in the US/Calvert Hall is ranked ninth in the US.

Collegiate Baseball Newspaper's
Easton Sports National H.S. Poll
(2008 Pre-Season Poll)
www.baseballnews.com
Rank School 2007 Record

1. Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 27-2
2. St. John's College (Washington DC) 23-6
3. Woodrow Wilson (Long Beach, CA) 32-3
4. Cypress-Fairbanks (Cypress, TX) 32-7
5. American Heritage (Plantation, FL) 23-6
6. Foy H. Moody (Corpus Christi, TX) 39-3
7. Sarasota (Sarasota, FL) 29-3
8. Orange Lutheran (Orange, CA) 19-8
9. Calvert Hall (Baltimore, MD) 33-0
10. Catalina Foothills (Tucson, AZ) 25-5
11. Bartlett (Bartlett, TN) 40-5
12. Owasso (Owasso, OK) 35-5
13. H.B. Plant (Tampa, FL) 21-5
14. Bishop Gorman (Las Vegas, NV) 35-6-1
15. James River (Midlothian, VA) 26-2
16. Wentzville Holt (Wentzville, MO) 21-11
17. Walton (Marietta, GA) 32-7
18. Cullman (Cullman, AL) 48-7
19. Tupelo (Tupelo, MS) 34-5
20. Christian Brothers (Memphis, TN) 40-8
21. Barbe (Lake Charles, LA) 35-5
22. Rocky Mountain (Fort Collins, CO) 20-5
23. Klein Collins (Spring, TX) 36-5
24. Pleasure Ridge Park (Louisville, KY) 36-10
25. Lake Orion (Lake Orion, MI) 31-5
26. Charles Flanagan (Pembroke Pines, FL) 23-8
27. Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) 27-4
28. Hamilton (Chandler, AZ) 20-12
29. Sandburg (Orland Park, IL) 29-8
30. Mamaroneck (Mamaroneck, NY) 21-4

If St. John's is so dominant, why won't they schedule the 13 time DCIAA champion Wilson Tigers of Northwest D.C. or the IAC champions St. Albans. The biggest problem with D.C. Baseball is a distinct lack of games between the public and private school leagues. It has been said that Mayor Fenty has decided to have a baseball kick off event at the new nationals stadium. I know that there will be a game between Maret and St. Albans, but I'm not sure of the others. The way to really set D.C. baseball off would be to have a city tournament that would take the top 4 teams from the WCAC, IAC, MAC, and DCIAA and play a single elimination tourney.

tcw_17...interesting idea and one I'd like to see. If anyone has any pull, get the wheels rolling.

Now that is interesting.

Can the kids from Maret/St Albans compete with the kids from Baltimore's MIAA?

That would be the MIAA-B division.

cheers
Bear

1. Since when does the MIAA encompass DC teams.

2. With Hultzen (UVA) or Brooke (2nd team all met) on the mound and all of the 8 returning starters that St. Albans had last year, I'm pretty sure that St. Albans would be in the top half of the MIAA and would likely split with Calvert Hall. This team is good.

3. Maret cranks out a few good players a year, but doesn't have all of the numbers to consistently beat the top competition in the MIAA.

4. The MIAA is a pretty great league, but to be honest, the WCAC has overtaken them interms of overall talent and national recognition.

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Originally posted by tcw_17:
1. Since when does the MIAA encompass DC teams.

2. With Hultzen (UVA) or Brooke (2nd team all met) on the mound and all of the 8 returning starters that St. Albans had last year, I'm pretty sure that St. Albans would be in the top half of the MIAA and would likely split with Calvert Hall. This team is good.

3. Maret cranks out a few good players a year, but doesn't have all of the numbers to consistently beat the top competition in the MIAA.

4. The MIAA is a pretty great league, but to be honest, the WCAC has overtaken them interms of overall talent and national recognition.

Hultzen is terrific but your comment regarding splitting with Calvert Hall.. I do not think so.

I go to St. Albans and don't believe that this kick off game against MAret at the new stadium is happening this season

Did I hear correctly?

St. Johns is ranked #2 in the local DC Metro?

How can this be?

I believe PVI is ranked #1 by the Wash Post. They are undefeated and very good, and have played a couple of tough teams so far, but I don't know how many. I'll leave to the smart guys to argue strength of schedule between SJ and PVI. The Wash Post usually gives undefeated teams the benefit of the doubt

st. albans is also now ranked #2 only to Paul VI in the area now, above St. John's

rbraves,
Have you been asked to go to Jupiter with the 2010 team?

no i wasn't one of the guys asked to

i just joined the team this winter

I know the 2011 team picked up a lot of talented players for this year. My son is friends with some of them. Good luck to you in school ball.

thanks is your son on the 2010 team? my friend on my high school team is on the '10 team and he just joined too

PVI beat St. John's 5-4 on Saturday. Next game will be April 29 at PVI.

If St. John's has 9 or 10 Div I commits, how many does PVI have? Verdin, Murakami, and Bowers so far? How many more? Six or seven?

St. Alban's--how many Div I commits?

Any preseason kickoff at the new Nationals field should include only those teams whose players are eligible for All Met consideration by the Post. In other words, a Norfolk player does not qualify for All Met in D.C. so his team would not be invited to play in any such first-pitch tournament. Same with a Baltimore player and team.

St. Albans has 1 D1 recruit (Danny Hultzen), but also has Andrew Thomas going to Marietta College. A bunch of other guys on the team will probably walk on at the colleges they go to

Early March, 2009--

2008 WCAC Champion
2008 IAC Champion
2008 VA State Champion (pick one)
2008 MD State Champion (pick one)

The first annual "First Pitch Classic" gets underway at Nationals Stadium.

This is a grassroots effort, so start calling the mayor, city council, the Nationals, and a bunch of ADs to get this rolling. Oh, and let's get the POST and TIMES and radio and TV behind it.

With St. John’s HS losing baseball games weekly, and dropping (in the local rankings)is it NOT a mystery to anyone the baseball team warrants a No. 30 national ranking in the Collegiate Baseball Newspaper's Easton Sports National H.S. Poll?

Maybe because they play the toughest schedule in the area?

To Bear,

You seem to be a little fuzzy on your facts regarding St. John's Baseball. I just got on this site so forgive me if I correct a past error. Earlier on this thread you said that SJC has only two Catholic League titles in baseball. That is TOTALLY INCORRECT my friend. SJC has 16 Catholic League titles with the first coming in 1953 and the most recent in 2005.

In regards to your question of why SJC is still nationally ranked perhaps a quick glance at their schedule could remove the mystery. At the nations top high school baseball tournament, the Anderson Bat National Classic (formerly the Upper Deck Classic) SJC played out of conference games against 2 time NATIONAL CHAMPION Bishop Amat from SoCal (a 6-3 SJC win), they beat Vista Murrietta from SoCal 9-4 (who at the time was ranked #5 in the nation by Baseball America and is now #15 in the nation by BA), they lost 8-6 to Crespi HS (who was ranked #1 in the state of California) and lost 5-3 to Seminole, a highly ranked team from Florida. They finished 4th (out of 16 teams) in the nations top high school tournament and they accomplished this without the services of Scott Silverstein, their number 1 pitcher and one the most highly touted prep pitchers in the nation.

Their remaining out of conference games included a 3-2 loss to yet another team ranked among the top 20 in the nation, Baltimore's Calvert Hall, a 10-2 win against Archbishop Spalding one of the Baltimore area's top 5 teams and a 10-2 win against Potomac High School in Virginia, a perennial northern virginia power.

In conference they have split (a 5-4 loss and a 3-2 win) a two game series against Paul VI Catholic, who is ranked by Baseball America as the 16th best prep team in the nation.

The reason SJC continues to be highly thought of nationally are their terrific wins against and their very close losses to nationally ranked teams. Many people around the country recognize SJC from the Baseball America article this season as well as from the strong national showings they have had the past several years at the Westminister Classic and Nike Classic in Florida and the National Classic in SoCal. They continue to schedule the best and challenge their players to compete on the national stage. That aggressive mindset in scheduling will inevitably lead to losses. Does any of that help explain why they continue to be ranked nationally???