Just received an email from Showball:
"As of this morning, the NCAA has extended the dead period through July 31st."
So.....yeah.
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there goes anyone onsite at WWBA....so stupid....
I am sure they have some inside knowledge but this seems a little odd as the committee isn't scheduled to meet until tomorrow. Also, with the announcement on Friday that all D1 athletes would be allowed on campus June 1st for voluntary workouts, not just football and basketball as previously approved I had hoped that the dead period would be allowed to expire.
I checked the NCAA website and could find no statement that the dead period has been extended. In fact, as 22and25 mentions, I found the press release from May 14 where it was extended to June 30 and the release also set the next meeting for May 27.
Same, Tres. Couldn't find anything to corroborate. Also not sure why the email I received said they were cancelling the NY events, but didn't mention the CA or TX events in July.
Will see what comes out tomorrow, I guess?
What's even stranger is that they are still registering people for the NY events in late July. My son is signed up for the Showball July16-17 event in California and I did not receive any email.
I got the email postponing the Texas event until August. It also mentions that Big 12 schools have prohibited coaches hosting or attending events through 8/31. Hadn't heard that before.
So nobody else seems to have this. It would be a really odd strategy to try and scoop the competition before it's formally announced. What's the point?
Just received email from Showball saying that their source was a little premature....but it is, nonetheless, fully expected to be extended. So we'll see in the next 2-3 days. Hoping their source was not just premature, but wrong.
I got an email yesterday from PBR saying they are going ahead with our NYS games, and will have cameras. They seem to think it'll be extended. My son is currently scheduled to go to BCS then WWBA. Have to say, only so much money I'm willing to spend to hopefully be seen by a coach watching a video screen, even if they already know my kid.
Also, my understanding is that as it stands right now, D1 coaches are not allowed to watch live events online. So unless that changes, you are sending video, along with thousands of other kids.
The June 1 allowance of athletes back to campus is encouraging. I appreciate the NCAA trying to keep everyone safe, but extending to July 31 is a killer to 2021s. It basically reduces the recruiting window to a few months, especially for my son who, if he's lucky enough, will be an early admission application kid if he gets a High Academic slot offer.
At some point, the kids have to play, just like people will need to go back to work and shops need to open with proper safety regs. I'd love to know how this committee is making decisions, and I hope its not based on some #@!$!$ insurance algorithm. Well, I guess we'll know more today. Does anyone know what time the call is supposed to happen?
Oh boy! Time to recalibrate AGAIN
Someone early went on a well earned rant about how this all sucks. Well this sucks.
Unless you are a 2021 GS grad it makes no sense to put any emphasis on travel ball this summer. There will be no college coaches there to watch any showcases or tournaments - regardless of what 2 initials are in front of them and regardless of what your travel ball org is telling you. Spend the summer training and working out. Especially if you are a pitcher. This is the time to practice more and play less.
@adbono posted:Unless you are a 2021 GS grad it makes no sense to put any emphasis on travel ball this summer. There will be no college coaches there to watch any showcases or tournaments - regardless of what 2 initials are in front of them and regardless of what your travel ball org is telling you. Spend the summer training and working out. Especially if you are a pitcher. This is the time to practice more and play less.
The problem is most travel teams require upfront payment....
@Wechson posted:The problem is most travel teams require upfront payment....
I know that. I coached 20 seasons of travel ball. Hopefully you haven’t paid yet.
@adbono posted:I know that. I coached 20 seasons of travel ball. Hopefully you haven’t paid yet.
I’ll refer you to my earlier post about how this all sucks ...
@Wechson posted:I’ll refer you to my earlier post about how this all sucks ...
No argument with that
@Wechson posted:Someone early went on a well earned rant about how this all sucks. Well this sucks.
Mark Emmert needs to be replaced, or the Conferences need to regulate themselves and move forward without the NCAA.
Despite what P5 commissioners may be saying, don't think that they didn't notice that The Ninth circuit US Court of Appeals referred to the NCAA as " a cartel of buyers acting in concert to artificially depress the price that sellers could otherwise receive for their services."
I promise you boosters in the Texas, Ohio, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, etc, all heard "you can pay players to play and it is not illegal."
How long before we start seeing the best college football teams money can buy without consequence? No way Texas, 'Bama, UGA, either OSU, or Clemson are staying part of a system that won't let them pay players.
I don’t understand how they are justifying letting football players come back and work out (which I’m for), but not let a coach stand outside and watch a baseball game.
@baseballhs posted:I don’t understand how they are justifying letting football players come back and work out (which I’m for), but not let a coach stand outside and watch a baseball game.
I don't know if everyone is aware, but the dead period includes ALL D1 coaches. Not just baseball. The NCAA stated that they will continue to evaluate and seek advice from medical professionals.
Keep in mind that they need to protect their employees. Very possible many will be furloughed. Its not a good situation for a lot of people.
The justification is that football helps to pay the bills for many athletic programs.
My understanding is that football workouts will be a learning situation for other sports.
My son is a 2020 signed D2 LOI and is playing summer ball because my thought process was after losing his senior season he really needs the at bats. Losing a whole year of development prior to his first year of college would have been a killer imo. Hes been working out since March and will all summer as well. Just my thought process due to losing senior year of ball
This definitely changed the schedule for our showcase team. There was talks about heading to the 15u WWBA at the end of June. But now the thought is why bother. Just stay in Texas and play local tournaments. Save the families money. Our organization's scout day has also been postponed again. At this point the mindset is to just play any ball.
My son got invited to the PG Jr National (in June) and the PG Freshman All American (last week of July/first part of August). He decided to go to the Freshman All American Showcase instead of Jr National. Yesterday I told him that I was glad he decided that. I can see the Jr National not getting as much attendees now since no colleges will be there. If the dead period does end up expiring on July 31st, then the Freshman All American will be the first event going on and I am sure there will be a swarm of coaches there. He is already committed so it is not a huge deal for him for coaches to be there, but like his showcase coach said it is never a bad idea to keep your name fresh.
@ARCEKU21 posted:This definitely changed the schedule for our showcase team. There was talks about heading to the 15u WWBA at the end of June. But now the thought is why bother. Just stay in Texas and play local tournaments. Save the families money. Our organization's scout day has also been postponed again. At this point the mindset is to just play any ball.
My son got invited to the PG Jr National (in June) and the PG Freshman All American (last week of July/first part of August). He decided to go to the Freshman All American Showcase instead of Jr National. Yesterday I told him that I was glad he decided that. I can see the Jr National not getting as much attendees now since no colleges will be there. If the dead period does end up expiring on July 31st, then the Freshman All American will be the first event going on and I am sure there will be a swarm of coaches there. He is already committed so it is not a huge deal for him for coaches to be there, but like his showcase coach said it is never a bad idea to keep your name fresh.
Why would he already be committed at 15 years old? That benefits the school (if he continues to progress) but doesn’t benefit your son in any way. In fact it ends his recruiting. Considering how much the landscape has changed in the past 90 days I would encourage you to re-think that decision.
@adbono posted:Why would he already be committed at 15 years old? That benefits the school (if he continues to progress) but doesn’t benefit your son in any way. In fact it ends his recruiting. Considering how much the landscape has changed in the past 90 days I would encourage you to re-think that decision.
I encourage you to go take a look at the PG website under the 2023's. There are 178 2023's committed. Our showcase team alone has 5 of those 2023's already committed. Heck there are 20 2024's committed.
He is committed to a P5 school that he is very happy with. He had offers from other P5 schools and he said the school he chose is everything he is looking for in not only a school but baseball opportunities. Plus the coaching staff blew us away. They don't over recruit players, which was a huge selling point and even more important now. He even had plans to go to some camps at other schools on his list this summer, but back in January he said he knew it just felt right and said he didn't want to look anymore. Plus his offer was going to be very tough to beat.
My opinion differs in yours in that I do think it benefit him. I actually think him committing early is not a bad thing given the current landscape. The school doesn't over recruit to start with, but I think everything that has happened the past couple of months, schools are going to get even more stingy with recruiting. I have to imagine that what we have seen in the past from schools like Texas Tech, Miami, Florida State, Louisville, etc where they have 20+ kids in a recruiting class, those days are going to be over. Texas Tech has 22 players listed in this years 2020 recruiting class. No way all those kids see that campus or make that team. Miami's 2023 class already has 9 players committed, Florida State has 8. So by having his foot in the door and already committed at a school that doesn't over recruit, that takes a load off of him rather than sitting and wondering how the next few years are going to shake out. My son has a friend who is a top 50 player in the class and basically recruiting has gone silent right now because of everything and he and his family are very frustrated. He is being told to just be patient with process to see how things shake out in the new environment. Being committed early means my son doesn't have to worry about that. The pressure of the recruiting process is gone. Now he can focus on holding up his end of the bargain by continuing to improve and get better.
Agree. Commitment to a school and program you love, and with a coaching staff that doesn't over recruit, is a huge relief and very helpful no matter when you do it. Congrats to you guys.
However, a 2023 (even a top 50 player as a Freshman), shouldn't be frustrated in the process being paused or delayed given the stress and limited time for the 2020s-21s, then 22s and 23s....during a dead or open period....with so much changing and on the line. The 23s have YEARS left.....
@ARCEKU21 posted:I encourage you to go take a look at the PG website under the 2023's. There are 178 2023's committed. Our showcase team alone has 5 of those 2023's already committed. Heck there are 20 2024's committed.
He is committed to a P5 school that he is very happy with. He had offers from other P5 schools and he said the school he chose is everything he is looking for in not only a school but baseball opportunities. Plus the coaching staff blew us away. They don't over recruit players, which was a huge selling point and even more important now. He even had plans to go to some camps at other schools on his list this summer, but back in January he said he knew it just felt right and said he didn't want to look anymore. Plus his offer was going to be very tough to beat.
My opinion differs in yours in that I do think it benefit him. I actually think him committing early is not a bad thing given the current landscape. The school doesn't over recruit to start with, but I think everything that has happened the past couple of months, schools are going to get even more stingy with recruiting. I have to imagine that what we have seen in the past from schools like Texas Tech, Miami, Florida State, Louisville, etc where they have 20+ kids in a recruiting class, those days are going to be over. Texas Tech has 22 players listed in this years 2020 recruiting class. No way all those kids see that campus or make that team. Miami's 2023 class already has 9 players committed, Florida State has 8. So by having his foot in the door and already committed at a school that doesn't over recruit, that takes a load off of him rather than sitting and wondering how the next few years are going to shake out. My son has a friend who is a top 50 player in the class and basically recruiting has gone silent right now because of everything and he and his family are very frustrated. He is being told to just be patient with process to see how things shake out in the new environment. Being committed early means my son doesn't have to worry about that. The pressure of the recruiting process is gone. Now he can focus on holding up his end of the bargain by continuing to improve and get better.
I hear you and I hope it works out the way you want it to. I just have a different school of thought. I don’t think many people can accurately predict at 15 where is the best place for them to be when they are 18. Too many things are subject to change.
I think it is great to be able to say you've committed at that age. Not only does it build confidence but the 'commit' badge opens doors even during HS.
However, I would tell my kid to pretend that the commit doesn't exist. Because in reality it really doesn't until a LOI is signed and there is a long, long way to go before that happens. And even after the LOI is inked I would have plan B & C ready to go... There are a lot of examples when a kid gets hosed after thinking he's got it in the bag for all those years. Sad.
Oh, and..... IMHO kids tend to think (teenage mentality) that grades don't matter after a commit. Better work on that too.
@CaliDad posted:I think it is great to be able to say you've committed at that age. Not only does it build confidence but the 'commit' badge opens doors even during HS.
However, I would tell my kid to pretend that the commit doesn't exist. Because in reality it really doesn't until a LOI is signed and there is a long, long way to go before that happens. And even after the LOI is inked I would have plan B & C ready to go... There are a lot of examples when a kid gets hosed after thinking he's got it in the bag for all those years. Sad.
Oh, and..... IMHO kids tend to think (teenage mentality) that grades don't matter after a commit. Better work on that too.
100% on everything you said here. I told him the commit really means nothing right now until he puts pen to paper. I told him that he now how has to train and work even harder. Not only to keep up his end of the bargain with the school, but he also has a target on his back. Not only within his school program but also when we are playing games. People are going to know he is committed and they are going to gun for him. People will try to knock him down. He likes to quote the saying of "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard".
For grades, he is currently a 4.2 gpa student and he knows that mom and I will not accept him slacking in the classroom. Plus, with the school he is committed to, he as the opportunity to make up the difference between his offer and tuition with an academic grant. So we definitely give him the reminder every now and then that he still has 3 more years to go and needs to keep his grades on the current path he is on.
@edcoach posted:My son is a 2020 signed D2 LOI and is playing summer ball because my thought process was after losing his senior season he really needs the at bats. Losing a whole year of development prior to his first year of college would have been a killer imo. Hes been working out since March and will all summer as well. Just my thought process due to losing senior year of ball
There are quite a few players my son knows who are doing this, including some P5 commits. I do wonder if some of their college coaches have recommended this to incoming freshman when possible. In California, it's difficult. But in the Southeast, it's easy (as of now).
I watched a zoom call yesterday with a P5 coach. They asked about recruiting this summer and he said that they would be utilizing videos from PG and PBR, and similar showcases/tournaments. He said they would be recruiting, it was just going to be different.
My 2020 is off to college in Aug. His coach would like him to get some innings in somewhere before getting on campus.
For my 2022, we're likely going to skip the 16U BCS and WWBA. All the schools that he's been in contact with have video of him. We may do our PBR state games in order to stay on their good side, but not going to the PG events saves lots of money that can be used on camps and showcases going forward. If he were a 2021 it would be a different story.
Not sure how real this is but just came in an email from NSR. I can't find it on any site or news feed. Hopefully, it's not accurate for those attending camps in August.
NCAA Extends Div 1 Recruiting Dead Period to August 31
The Division I Council Coordination Committee extended the recruiting dead period in all sports through August 31.
The committee will regularly evaluate the dead period, continuing to be guided by medical experts.
Yes, they announced this a few days ago.
Jeez.
I didn't see that. Old news but new to me......
I didn't see it either, until your post.
I am helping a friend plan out how to help her 2021 RHP. Her husband died of cancer about 8 years ago and her son reclassed to 2021, was a 2020 with my son. I just called her and she knew already! All the camps emailed at the end of last week. She had an interesting take - the D3 coaches are able to go to events and D1's coaches are not. They are getting the opportunity to pick off the remaining D1 talents. I don't know if that's correct but could be true. Her son is laser focused on being a "D1" player however. It's a tough situation for her and her son. He wants the Patriot League. Hit 89 on the gun last week. I told her the magic # is 90 MPH so tell him to go find that...
Funny ..... it seems some D1 coaches have “found a way” which I know for a fact but I’m not going to explain it. They are out there.Also IMO no D3 is picking off anyone that truly has D1 opportunities without that being explored. Maybe a HA situation but not the run of the mill D3. Like for us, yes the D3 coaches are out and getting super aggressive but how could we possibly have a conversation about anything serious unless we really know all the options. The attention is nice but......