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We have gone down thisd road many times before---HS stats are not what get you ranked or rated---in perdon evaluations are what are used as a criteria.
Is being ranked by Perfect Game the reason your son is playing baseball?
In our high school conference, the class of 2010 hitting statistics were significantly higher across the board compared to the 2009 class. The reasons were simple. There was far less high quality pitching in the conference in 2010 and the weather was unusually warm in the spring of 2010. The wind was consistently blowing out throughout the season.
Those are just a few examples of variances that exist in comparing high school statistics, and that is when you are comparing only the same conference. The variances grow when comparing different conferences, different enrollments, etc.
We had two players drafted in our conference last year. Did either have the best stats in the conference for their position? Not even close.
Those are just a few examples of variances that exist in comparing high school statistics, and that is when you are comparing only the same conference. The variances grow when comparing different conferences, different enrollments, etc.
We had two players drafted in our conference last year. Did either have the best stats in the conference for their position? Not even close.
JH
For some people it is all about ratings and rankings
For some people it is all about ratings and rankings
standup
Realize that in the "real" world most do not look at stats because of one simple reason--stats are not created equal due to various levels of competition and the scorekeeper
Realize that in the "real" world most do not look at stats because of one simple reason--stats are not created equal due to various levels of competition and the scorekeeper
standup,
Your son is talented. I really don't like public comparisons other than video displays showing both without any opinions or statistics attached.
Perhaps we have seen the other player more often. However I don't understand why you chose this particular kid to compare with. He is one of the highest ranked players in the country and no one who follows this stuff would disagree.
When scouts grade hitters or any other tool, statistics do not enter. If they did the wrong kids would be getting millions of dollars every year.
I'm not saying stats are meaningless here. Just that they can't be used for comparing one player to another. The player you are using for comparison has been seen hitting with wood as well, or better, than any player in the class and against the top pitching in the class. He is from Southern California and plays for a team that competes against the very best regularly. We have only seen him hit with metal one time, many times with wood. He has upper deck raw power. Most players of this caliber don't use recruiting sites to promote themselves. It's simply not necessary for them.
Your player we have seen recently and he is from Oklahoma. Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition. That doesn't mean that the best player in the country is not in Oklahoma, but it might explain any statistical difference. There's probably a kid somewhere in a small town in Iowa that has much better stats than both them boys. It's one thing to play against top competition a few times and playing against it most all the time. Your son should be congratulated for having such great stats and I'm sure things will work out for him. He definitely has some talent.
Rankings are an ongoing thing. They change frequently as time goes on. Right now the player you are using for comparison is a legitimate first round candidate in 2012. Other than statistics, it seems unfair to everyone concerned to use that kid for a comparison.
Might as well compare stats to Josh Hamilton. The same or even better stats don't make a player a better prospect. That said, it is possible he could be a better prospect.
I hope you don't feel as if any of what I said here is impolite. Sure don't mean it that way.
Just keep performing and doing the best you can. Hopefully we will recognize that or the scouting world will take serious note and let us know. Seriously there is no recommendation. We don't follow the website recruiting sites to find players to rank. Neither do scouts or most college coaches.
You don't have to attend our events to be ranked, though it could help. You do need to get out there to as many big events as possible. East Coast Pro, Area Codes, Team USA, etc. We need to know running times, arm velocity, see BP live, watch players field, etc. The statistics are not enough all by themself, no matter how good they might be. Tools are of extreme importance.
Your son is talented. I really don't like public comparisons other than video displays showing both without any opinions or statistics attached.
Perhaps we have seen the other player more often. However I don't understand why you chose this particular kid to compare with. He is one of the highest ranked players in the country and no one who follows this stuff would disagree.
When scouts grade hitters or any other tool, statistics do not enter. If they did the wrong kids would be getting millions of dollars every year.
I'm not saying stats are meaningless here. Just that they can't be used for comparing one player to another. The player you are using for comparison has been seen hitting with wood as well, or better, than any player in the class and against the top pitching in the class. He is from Southern California and plays for a team that competes against the very best regularly. We have only seen him hit with metal one time, many times with wood. He has upper deck raw power. Most players of this caliber don't use recruiting sites to promote themselves. It's simply not necessary for them.
Your player we have seen recently and he is from Oklahoma. Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition. That doesn't mean that the best player in the country is not in Oklahoma, but it might explain any statistical difference. There's probably a kid somewhere in a small town in Iowa that has much better stats than both them boys. It's one thing to play against top competition a few times and playing against it most all the time. Your son should be congratulated for having such great stats and I'm sure things will work out for him. He definitely has some talent.
Rankings are an ongoing thing. They change frequently as time goes on. Right now the player you are using for comparison is a legitimate first round candidate in 2012. Other than statistics, it seems unfair to everyone concerned to use that kid for a comparison.
Might as well compare stats to Josh Hamilton. The same or even better stats don't make a player a better prospect. That said, it is possible he could be a better prospect.
I hope you don't feel as if any of what I said here is impolite. Sure don't mean it that way.
quote:What are recommendations for non ranked players becoming ranked?
Just keep performing and doing the best you can. Hopefully we will recognize that or the scouting world will take serious note and let us know. Seriously there is no recommendation. We don't follow the website recruiting sites to find players to rank. Neither do scouts or most college coaches.
You don't have to attend our events to be ranked, though it could help. You do need to get out there to as many big events as possible. East Coast Pro, Area Codes, Team USA, etc. We need to know running times, arm velocity, see BP live, watch players field, etc. The statistics are not enough all by themself, no matter how good they might be. Tools are of extreme importance.
Standup,
I personally believe a high PG ranking is a very helpful door opener for a player, especially an underclassman with lots of time left in the process. It's one thing to try to open a conversation with an e-mail to a coach. It's quite another to be able to slip in a link to a PG web page and have them see your ranking and rating and realize that maybe, out of all the e-mails they receive, this one might just be someone they should follow up with.
So, when you express interest in the ratings and rankings, I totally get it. Even if others choose not to.
The way you get a better ranking is to get your son in front of PG for an evaluation. If he's never been to one of their showcases, the Underclass events are coming up and it's not too late to go to one. If those are cost-prohibitive, choose a different event closer to home.
See if he can get noticed enough to get invited to PG National in June. That will get him all the attention he could ever ask for.
And make sure his summer team has at least one trip to East Cobb, GA on its schedule. If not, find another team.
All of the above being said, understand that as good a job as PG does, there are players they miss every year and every college coach knows that. Coaches love to find that gem that everyone else overlooked -- all the more so because, if he's not terribly well known, they might get him for a lower percentage offer than otherwise. So if your son doesn't end up with a ranking, or with the ranking he would like, don't despair. But I do still concur that if he has it in him to get into the top 500, it's worth pursuing.
I personally believe a high PG ranking is a very helpful door opener for a player, especially an underclassman with lots of time left in the process. It's one thing to try to open a conversation with an e-mail to a coach. It's quite another to be able to slip in a link to a PG web page and have them see your ranking and rating and realize that maybe, out of all the e-mails they receive, this one might just be someone they should follow up with.
So, when you express interest in the ratings and rankings, I totally get it. Even if others choose not to.
The way you get a better ranking is to get your son in front of PG for an evaluation. If he's never been to one of their showcases, the Underclass events are coming up and it's not too late to go to one. If those are cost-prohibitive, choose a different event closer to home.
See if he can get noticed enough to get invited to PG National in June. That will get him all the attention he could ever ask for.
And make sure his summer team has at least one trip to East Cobb, GA on its schedule. If not, find another team.
All of the above being said, understand that as good a job as PG does, there are players they miss every year and every college coach knows that. Coaches love to find that gem that everyone else overlooked -- all the more so because, if he's not terribly well known, they might get him for a lower percentage offer than otherwise. So if your son doesn't end up with a ranking, or with the ranking he would like, don't despair. But I do still concur that if he has it in him to get into the top 500, it's worth pursuing.
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Stats don't mean everything but real world performance will take you alot further than an "old timers" perception or lack of it.
From this response, what I get out of it, is that you're pi$$ed off your son doesn't get more attention because his stats are just as good as the stars.
The statement above is completely ignorant. It is 100% the perception of the "old timers" that dictates where your son goes. Those old timers are the scouts that draft and sign players. Those old timers are the coaches that recruit players...or not. And once recruited, it is the perception of the old timer coaches that determine his playing time. No one signs a kid because of his stats...NO ONE...they sign a kid based on their evaluations, i.e. the perceptions of old timers. The whole pretext for your statement is completely false.
Baseball is a very small world. You're not helping your son by coming on and behaving like a dirtball, telling others what is and isn't true in the baseball universe.
Anyone whose been here any length of time knows for sure that I am no apologist for anyone, especially TR, but everything he has told you here is honest and correct. It's a shame you weren't listening and and shameful that in response to his honesty you take shots through sarcasm and mockery.
Try decaf...and next time you want to try and make a statement, don't try and cloud it in a question as if you actually wanted to listen to an answer, because that is obviously not the case...just throw it out there.
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge PG Staff. Next time I send a pm it would be nice to avoid
"I don't understand why you chose this particular kid to compare with"
Chosen only because of top ranking. Could have been a comparison of 4 local area code players from one HS team who combined don't have as many varsity extra-base hits as sourced by Max preps this year. However they are good pitchers and though my son's team beat them twice this year with his 8 RBI's in two games helping out, i think they are wonderful players.
"It's one thing to play against top competition a few times and playing against it most all the time.""Can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."He is from Southern California and plays for a team that competes against the very best regularly." "There's probably a kid somewhere in a small town in Iowa that has much better stats than both them boys." "Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."
In concept all of this is true. But in this specific case there is little doubt that the pitching at Decker Omaha and Senior Legion 19U and Oklahoma State Championships is far more competitive than average California HS pitching. I lived there for 25 years. A more realistic comparison would be the other players performance for the San Digo show which are not published.
"Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."
2010 USABF World Series Champion Oklahoma Travelers outscored California teams 87-27 in 10 games during that tournament.
2010 Legion World Series Champions Oklahoma Outlaws outscored all teams 102-37 in 12 games during that tournament. Combined National Championship Tournament record is 21-2 with 132 K's. Wherever your from, if you hit well against these teams you are a hitter.
As For CPLZ please get out your glasses and re-read the post before you tyrade calling people dirtball because you have difficulty with context. I was referring specifically to TRhit & JH who label themselves as "old timers".If you are going to make wrong assumptions and mis-quotes about people you really ought to tell your wife. Maybe she cares. Just remember every one in the baseball world has gotten along fine without you as it shall continue.
"I don't understand why you chose this particular kid to compare with"
Chosen only because of top ranking. Could have been a comparison of 4 local area code players from one HS team who combined don't have as many varsity extra-base hits as sourced by Max preps this year. However they are good pitchers and though my son's team beat them twice this year with his 8 RBI's in two games helping out, i think they are wonderful players.
"It's one thing to play against top competition a few times and playing against it most all the time.""Can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."He is from Southern California and plays for a team that competes against the very best regularly." "There's probably a kid somewhere in a small town in Iowa that has much better stats than both them boys." "Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."
In concept all of this is true. But in this specific case there is little doubt that the pitching at Decker Omaha and Senior Legion 19U and Oklahoma State Championships is far more competitive than average California HS pitching. I lived there for 25 years. A more realistic comparison would be the other players performance for the San Digo show which are not published.
"Definitely a good baseball state, but can't compare to Southern California when it comes to competition."
2010 USABF World Series Champion Oklahoma Travelers outscored California teams 87-27 in 10 games during that tournament.
2010 Legion World Series Champions Oklahoma Outlaws outscored all teams 102-37 in 12 games during that tournament. Combined National Championship Tournament record is 21-2 with 132 K's. Wherever your from, if you hit well against these teams you are a hitter.
As For CPLZ please get out your glasses and re-read the post before you tyrade calling people dirtball because you have difficulty with context. I was referring specifically to TRhit & JH who label themselves as "old timers".If you are going to make wrong assumptions and mis-quotes about people you really ought to tell your wife. Maybe she cares. Just remember every one in the baseball world has gotten along fine without you as it shall continue.
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Just remember every one in the baseball world has gotten along fine without you as it shall continue.
...he says in his sixteenth post in less than 2 months here...an instant expert is born. Next time, bring a thimble, we'll try and get it half full with all that baseball world knowledge of yours.
Standup,
I have been following this website for some time and I can tell you that I honestly believe that TR, PG Staff, and CPLZ know as much as anyone I know about talent evaluation. Once you get over your frustration, re-read the posts carefully and reconsider your exposure strategy for your son. "They know of what they speak."
I have been following this website for some time and I can tell you that I honestly believe that TR, PG Staff, and CPLZ know as much as anyone I know about talent evaluation. Once you get over your frustration, re-read the posts carefully and reconsider your exposure strategy for your son. "They know of what they speak."
standup,
Got to standup for TR and JH (definetly not an "old timer" except in posts) here, although you did not care for how they responded to your question, they are right and make good points, as does PG (especially about comparisons, read carefully his entire post) and Midlo (PG ratings and rankings can open doors). RRF8 also brings up a good point (see last paragraph)as does CPLZ.
Your topic and posting the recruiting site here is not necessary, IMO. Take out the comparison to a top 2012 player, just a suggestion if sending to college coaches and never compare your player to another, especially one not even close to where your son plays.
If you want a rating and ranking, get him to a PG showcase, then you won't need all of that other stuff.
Got to standup for TR and JH (definetly not an "old timer" except in posts) here, although you did not care for how they responded to your question, they are right and make good points, as does PG (especially about comparisons, read carefully his entire post) and Midlo (PG ratings and rankings can open doors). RRF8 also brings up a good point (see last paragraph)as does CPLZ.
Your topic and posting the recruiting site here is not necessary, IMO. Take out the comparison to a top 2012 player, just a suggestion if sending to college coaches and never compare your player to another, especially one not even close to where your son plays.
If you want a rating and ranking, get him to a PG showcase, then you won't need all of that other stuff.
Perhaps everyone take a step back here.
I get both sides on this one. The stats he is talking about mean something. The question is, to whom...
I looked at some of the hitting video. I think your son is a college player standup. His stats will not determine what level of college or which college however.
Coaches recruit what they see. When one of those coaches see something they like, they'll inquire about his stats and then it will mean something.
I get both sides on this one. The stats he is talking about mean something. The question is, to whom...
I looked at some of the hitting video. I think your son is a college player standup. His stats will not determine what level of college or which college however.
Coaches recruit what they see. When one of those coaches see something they like, they'll inquire about his stats and then it will mean something.
Lets try this again and forget about ranking comparisons and meaningless insults from the peanut gallery. What PG events would be recommended to a player starting the process beginning their junior year in High School?
quote:Originally posted by standup:
What PG events would be recommended to a player starting the process beginning their junior year in High School?
I think that Midlo answered that question, but I am not really sure that was what you were looking for, or you would have asked the above question in the first place.
Strange place this HSBBW, many are here to help and answer any quesion, may not always get the answer you would like, but for some of those, "old timers", they are able to read beyond the post as to it's true intentions.
Your son is in his junior year, he just attended WWBA, didn't he get any recruiting letters from his performance? Or any from those championship Legion tournies, etc?
standup - In a prior post in another thread you mentioned your son was going to the tournament in Jupiter. How did that go? I would think that event probably opened some doors for him.
Best of Luck.
Best of Luck.
Mr. Standup,
I also have a 2012. I would suggest going to an Underclass Showcase maybe in Florida after the Christmas break or any underclass events to start with. Other non PG events to consider is the AZ Fall Classics.
We did one during his sophomore year in AZ. Cannot do it this year due to prior commitments.
I have seen your son's video and I think there will be place for him some day. He is a big boy!
The 2012 PG list will also be coming out (State rankings) soon. The 2011 list is out.
I also understand the views of rest of the guys with regards to the start of the thread. Glad you veered away from that.
Good luck to your son! I will be happy just to have Jr be in the right fit one day!
RR23
I also have a 2012. I would suggest going to an Underclass Showcase maybe in Florida after the Christmas break or any underclass events to start with. Other non PG events to consider is the AZ Fall Classics.
We did one during his sophomore year in AZ. Cannot do it this year due to prior commitments.
I have seen your son's video and I think there will be place for him some day. He is a big boy!
The 2012 PG list will also be coming out (State rankings) soon. The 2011 list is out.
I also understand the views of rest of the guys with regards to the start of the thread. Glad you veered away from that.
Good luck to your son! I will be happy just to have Jr be in the right fit one day!
RR23
standup,
It isn't the average HS team or league you need to be comparing them to. Our HS conference is one of the best in SoCal year in and year out but not necessarily the best. BTW, it does look like he comes out of a pretty good HS league.
Would you like to compare the pitching in your son's conference to our HS conference here in SoCal? Let's see a couple years ago the #5 pitcher off the 3rd or 4th place team in the league was drafted and did quite well in his first year of pro ball. He pitched a total of 11 innings that year as a senior. The #1 pitcher for that team was drafted later in the draft but got a well above slot bonus. The #2 pitcher was quite successful at a D1 as a freshman. The #3 pitcher went in the second round the next year. The #4 pitcher went a bit earlier in the 2nd round this year. Several other pitchers in the league were drafted in those years and several more received D1 scholarships.
I believe a team that tied for last with a 2-12 record in league this season had 3 or 4 pitchers go D1 out of a total of 4 or 5 players who went D1 and one who went to a top D2. A team with a first rounder finished 5th. The first rounder had great stats as a freshman on varsity against very strong pitching but after his first showcase, where he didn't happen to perform that well, he wasn't ranked, although the notes were positive. He performed very well at subsequent showcases, continued to improve and was soon very highly ranked.
Several kids who got D1 scholarships hit well under .300. One kid who hit under .250 the previous year got a D1 scholarship at a major D1 and hit close to .300 as a freshman.
The kids who get drafted and who get the D1 scholarships don't always have the stats and the ones who have the stats don't always get drafted or get the scholarships.
It isn't the average HS team or league you need to be comparing them to. Our HS conference is one of the best in SoCal year in and year out but not necessarily the best. BTW, it does look like he comes out of a pretty good HS league.
Would you like to compare the pitching in your son's conference to our HS conference here in SoCal? Let's see a couple years ago the #5 pitcher off the 3rd or 4th place team in the league was drafted and did quite well in his first year of pro ball. He pitched a total of 11 innings that year as a senior. The #1 pitcher for that team was drafted later in the draft but got a well above slot bonus. The #2 pitcher was quite successful at a D1 as a freshman. The #3 pitcher went in the second round the next year. The #4 pitcher went a bit earlier in the 2nd round this year. Several other pitchers in the league were drafted in those years and several more received D1 scholarships.
I believe a team that tied for last with a 2-12 record in league this season had 3 or 4 pitchers go D1 out of a total of 4 or 5 players who went D1 and one who went to a top D2. A team with a first rounder finished 5th. The first rounder had great stats as a freshman on varsity against very strong pitching but after his first showcase, where he didn't happen to perform that well, he wasn't ranked, although the notes were positive. He performed very well at subsequent showcases, continued to improve and was soon very highly ranked.
Several kids who got D1 scholarships hit well under .300. One kid who hit under .250 the previous year got a D1 scholarship at a major D1 and hit close to .300 as a freshman.
The kids who get drafted and who get the D1 scholarships don't always have the stats and the ones who have the stats don't always get drafted or get the scholarships.
Not to be mean or contrary, but I looked up your son in the PG data base - open to the public. Looks like he topped out at 821mph at Jupiter. I'm really not sure how you can compare that to an AFLAC All-American. Those guys are typically over 90mph. Maybe his hitting is much better than his pitching, but a top velocity of 82 is pretty average. If you want to compare stats, how about some that can be compared without worrying about the competition. Fastball velocity, infield velocity, 60 time. How do those stack up?
I agree, get him in a PG showcase and see how he does and gets graded by people who see kids from all over the country, all year long.
I agree, get him in a PG showcase and see how he does and gets graded by people who see kids from all over the country, all year long.
Standup,
If he played for a PG team in Jupiter, then there would be some notes on him. Not sure if you were with Midlo Dad's team or is it some one else I am thinking? It may have been Coach Merc ?
If he played for a PG team in Jupiter, then there would be some notes on him. Not sure if you were with Midlo Dad's team or is it some one else I am thinking? It may have been Coach Merc ?
Just sitting here hopin and prayin my son isnt interested in the same college as his son.....lol
Eric,
Don't throw the kid under the bus, it's the dad who is it a know all.
Don't throw the kid under the bus, it's the dad who is it a know all.
I meant know it all. "It a know all" is the term I use after cocktails on the weekend.
Oh I know but he will lurk at every practice and game....lol
Hope he doesnt find my sons stats, as a Soph on Varsity hit a whopping .170 or so, yet he is still being touted and contacted by some D1 boys, go figure. LOL
bballman,
He's not a primary pitcher so the fastball velocity shouldn't be an issue.
He's not a primary pitcher so the fastball velocity shouldn't be an issue.
Ok. Just something I noticed. Hopefully the rest of his game will be noticed and appreciated.
standup,
Your son looks like a very good hitter. If you're concerned about PG rankings, I'd try and get him in a PG showcase/tournament event so that he can be evaluated? I would also like to know why you'd want to compare numbers with the "2012 number one ranked hitter"? My kid played with him in Georgia this past summer, and he's the real deal, amazing bat speed and very strong. In our only game at the East Cobb Complex, this young man hit 3 bombs in his first 3 AB's (2 were 400' plus) with wood!
Best of luck to your son.
Your son looks like a very good hitter. If you're concerned about PG rankings, I'd try and get him in a PG showcase/tournament event so that he can be evaluated? I would also like to know why you'd want to compare numbers with the "2012 number one ranked hitter"? My kid played with him in Georgia this past summer, and he's the real deal, amazing bat speed and very strong. In our only game at the East Cobb Complex, this young man hit 3 bombs in his first 3 AB's (2 were 400' plus) with wood!
Best of luck to your son.
Had a great time in Jupiter. Pitched two innings at some coaches request and gave up no hits runs or walks in two innings. Was grateful for the handful of plate appearances as it is difficult for great coach with 20 players that were almost all seniors to showcase them all, struckout once, walked once and bounced one over the fence. Had a good game against the Dirtbags who are awsome.He is pretty level when he does great or not and was contacted by two Division 1 coaches that saw him play in Jupiter through his berecruited website. Next time i think of posting here I think I'll stick a fork in my eye instead. Thanks to PG Staff Midlo Dad & ClevelandDad.
Okay...just realized that your son played recently in Jupiter, I hope he did well. If so, I'm sure the staff at Perfect Game have him on the radar now.
Dude, you have issues.
Standup- this thread hasn't turned out too well. You've received some good advise and yes, you've received some sarcasm/critism. Unfortunately, it comes with the territory on not just this HSBB forum but all forums. I wish you and your son all the best and I would encourage you to do the PG showcases. If your son has the tools he'll get noticed. Here is some additional advice for you from a father (and ex-coach of his son) to a father of a ball player - keep your distance from the coaches, scouts, PG, etc...and please don't post anymore with his name in it. Keep your mouth shut at the showcases, games, etc...sometimes good kids don't get recruited because of their fathers or mothers. Google your son's name and see what comes up. Scouts and coaches will see all of that and it will be a real negative...These scouts and old timers and especially PG know what they are doing.
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Had a great time in Jupiter. Pitched two innings at some coaches request and gave up no hits runs or walks in two innings. Was grateful for the handful of plate appearances as it is difficult for great coach with 20 players that were almost all seniors to showcase them all, struckout once, walked once and bounced one over the fence. Had a good game against the Dirtbags who are awsome.He is pretty level when he does great or not and was contacted by two Division 1 coaches that saw him play in Jupiter through his berecruited website. Next time i think of posting here I think I'll stick a fork in my eye instead. Thanks to PG Staff Midlo Dad & ClevelandDad.
You should reconsider, I'm sure that you just want to help your son get to the next level, and there's certainly no harm in that. Your biggest mistake IMO was comparing your son to another player that you probably had never seen!? Again...Best of Luck!
johnj314
Your advice on not talking to coaches is well heeded as both my dad and uncle were high school coaches. I don't go to practices and never talked to one of my daughters D1 College coaches at UC Irvine or before that at UCSD where she was NCAA All-american and National NCAA Rookie of the Year. In fact I think I may have spoken to them once at a dinner and said hello.
Your advice on not talking to coaches is well heeded as both my dad and uncle were high school coaches. I don't go to practices and never talked to one of my daughters D1 College coaches at UC Irvine or before that at UCSD where she was NCAA All-american and National NCAA Rookie of the Year. In fact I think I may have spoken to them once at a dinner and said hello.
That Trey Williams kid does look like a stud. BTW, I checked and their HS leagues were roughly comparable based on the MaxPreps rankings. A bit hard to tell how good the competition was overall relatively speaking given that Valencia had a lot more league games and played some fairly tough teams outside of league. 88 mph from 3b will make people notice right away regardless of the hitting. Williams is also fairly young relatively speaking.
My guess is that if standup's kid continues to produce he's got a decent shot at being ranked eventually. It is harder now to get a numerical ranking than it was a few years ago. The dad's approach could turn off some coaches but I doubt it will have any impact one way or the other on his eventual PG ranking.
standup,
Why wasn't your son on the maxpreps roster for his HS?
My guess is that if standup's kid continues to produce he's got a decent shot at being ranked eventually. It is harder now to get a numerical ranking than it was a few years ago. The dad's approach could turn off some coaches but I doubt it will have any impact one way or the other on his eventual PG ranking.
standup,
Why wasn't your son on the maxpreps roster for his HS?
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Next time i think of posting here I think I'll stick a fork in my eye instead.
Or you could try civility and see how that works out for you. Let's not revise history here, you were the one that started throwing jabs, just because you didn't like what you heard, in spite of its validity.
i.e.
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Thanks TRHit & JH for not answering my polite question and your spurious replies. Hope u enjoy your cyber lovefest!
quote:Originally posted by standup:
Lets try this again and forget about ranking comparisons and meaningless insults from the peanut gallery.
standup,
Your son played JV in 2010 and you are comparing him to a kid who played varsity in 2010 on a top team in a comparable league?
Don't you realize people can do research online? I've seen kids who were absolute studs play JV as sophmores in our league so your son playing JV as a sophmore doesn't mean much one way or the other to me but how can you compare your son's stats to a younger kid who was playing varsity and not say so?
Your son played JV in 2010 and you are comparing him to a kid who played varsity in 2010 on a top team in a comparable league?
Don't you realize people can do research online? I've seen kids who were absolute studs play JV as sophmores in our league so your son playing JV as a sophmore doesn't mean much one way or the other to me but how can you compare your son's stats to a younger kid who was playing varsity and not say so?
From looking at the website for your son's high school team, it looks like he was a sophomore on the JV team for high school last spring (which is not at all unusual for a talented sophomore at a large HS, I went to Putnam City North HS which is just down the road, so I am familiar with your son's high school and I realize it is a large school).
The point I am trying to make is that if you are comparing JV pitching with Varsity pitching then that will impact the stats for the hitters.
Edit: looks like CAdad and I were posting at the same time, sorry for the duplicate comment.
The point I am trying to make is that if you are comparing JV pitching with Varsity pitching then that will impact the stats for the hitters.
Edit: looks like CAdad and I were posting at the same time, sorry for the duplicate comment.
According to TR one never has to say sorry.
How **** are we to check on that?
How **** are we to check on that?