With Allen at the top of the standings, im wondering if its a fluke? or can they actually contend for a playoff spot? they did beat Plano, but lewisville and east are not very good. What was their record prior to district play? Were their losses to good teams? I guess im just not sold on them yet. Who are their next few opponents?
Look, the disparity between most of these teams in this district is just not that great. I think you know that, too. I do think Allen will contend for a playoff spot in this district. But it is so early, no one is out of it, and all of these teams represented themselves very well in non-district/tournament play.
I haven't been to every game, and it is tough to put a ton of stock (good or bad) in all the tournament games, b/c we all know that pitching depth gets tested, and to the casual observer (me), I don't know where opponents' pitching stacks up during the tournaments.
Overall, Allen plays very solid defense, and the pitchers pound the zone (very few BB's). We don't have anyone hitting 90+ on the gun, but I can tell you the ERA's that are posted in DMNews are legit. There aren't a lot of bombers at the plate on this team (which is fine b/c if you are familiar with our home field, _very_, _very_ few balls are going out of the yard with the BBCORs... only handful each year with the BESRs...the dimensions are almost unfair, especially with the prevailing south wind blowing in from RF), but they manufacture runs, put the ball in play, and 14 games in, have a knack for timely hits if the opponent opens the door with some sloppy play (which in my book is an important, and often overlooked, quality in a good team).
The team is 9-4-1. Beat SLC, LD Bell, McKinney, Texarkana, Mansfield Legacy, and Euless Trinity. Tied SLC. Losses: Rowlett, McKinney Boyd, Frisco Liberty, Mustang (OK). Some of the wins were close, as were a couple of the losses.
Coming up is Plano West on Friday and Marcus on Saturday...both should be very competitive games if the teams play to their ability.
Getting too high or too low after 1/4 of district play is silly, IMHO. It will only take 7-8 district wins to get in (4 seed), I think... b/c there is so much parity, and the teams will beat up on each other.
I haven't been to every game, and it is tough to put a ton of stock (good or bad) in all the tournament games, b/c we all know that pitching depth gets tested, and to the casual observer (me), I don't know where opponents' pitching stacks up during the tournaments.
Overall, Allen plays very solid defense, and the pitchers pound the zone (very few BB's). We don't have anyone hitting 90+ on the gun, but I can tell you the ERA's that are posted in DMNews are legit. There aren't a lot of bombers at the plate on this team (which is fine b/c if you are familiar with our home field, _very_, _very_ few balls are going out of the yard with the BBCORs... only handful each year with the BESRs...the dimensions are almost unfair, especially with the prevailing south wind blowing in from RF), but they manufacture runs, put the ball in play, and 14 games in, have a knack for timely hits if the opponent opens the door with some sloppy play (which in my book is an important, and often overlooked, quality in a good team).
The team is 9-4-1. Beat SLC, LD Bell, McKinney, Texarkana, Mansfield Legacy, and Euless Trinity. Tied SLC. Losses: Rowlett, McKinney Boyd, Frisco Liberty, Mustang (OK). Some of the wins were close, as were a couple of the losses.
Coming up is Plano West on Friday and Marcus on Saturday...both should be very competitive games if the teams play to their ability.
Getting too high or too low after 1/4 of district play is silly, IMHO. It will only take 7-8 district wins to get in (4 seed), I think... b/c there is so much parity, and the teams will beat up on each other.
quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
FM's SS got into a jawing match with a couple of Plano's kids...even kicking dirt on the Plano catcher at one point. Seemed a little immature to me. I'm sure their next matchup will be fun as I bet that kid will be on the mound for FM.
Those kind of things happen for two reasons...
1) The Coach encourages it.
2) The Coach is intimidated by that particular player's talent and is afraid to say anything...that's why the behavior never changes.
quote:Originally posted by Calahan:quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
FM's SS got into a jawing match with a couple of Plano's kids...even kicking dirt on the Plano catcher at one point. Seemed a little immature to me. I'm sure their next matchup will be fun as I bet that kid will be on the mound for FM.
Those kind of things happen for two reasons...
1) The Coach encourages it.
2) The Coach is intimidated by that particular player's talent and is afraid to say anything...that's why the behavior never changes.
Its not the coach! If you saw the game you would have seen the catcher throw dirt up at the batter as he stepped back into the box. The plano first baseman throw an elbow , A plano fan get tossed by the umpire for jawing etc. Its all on film.
I would have to agree with Bball4. I did not see this game, however my perspective comes from Nimitz vs. Plano. I'm proud our boys (Nimitz) didn't stoop to the jawing tactics Plano used during the game. I was surprised and disappointed to hear the comments coming from the Plano dugout.
Our coach will not allow that type of talk. He requires the boys to chatter about our team, our players only, not make comments about the opposing pitcher or team.
Nimitz won 11-7
Our coach will not allow that type of talk. He requires the boys to chatter about our team, our players only, not make comments about the opposing pitcher or team.
Nimitz won 11-7
quote:Originally posted by Bball4:quote:Originally posted by Calahan:quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
FM's SS got into a jawing match with a couple of Plano's kids...even kicking dirt on the Plano catcher at one point. Seemed a little immature to me. I'm sure their next matchup will be fun as I bet that kid will be on the mound for FM.
Those kind of things happen for two reasons...
1) The Coach encourages it.
2) The Coach is intimidated by that particular player's talent and is afraid to say anything...that's why the behavior never changes.
Its not the coach! If you saw the game you would have seen the catcher throw dirt up at the batter as he stepped back into the box. The plano first baseman throw an elbow , A plano fan get tossed by the umpire for jawing etc. Its all on film.
Just to clarify. The ss should not be mouthing to anyone on the field. But as it usually happens, the reactor is the one seen not the instigator. Dont single out one intance on here without painting the whole picture. The whole game was out of hand.
Those rose colored glasses are sold all over the metroplex.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Those rose colored glasses are sold all over the metroplex.
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Where do I find ones with the blinders like the ones you have?
Those rose colored glasses are sold all over the metroplex.
Where do I find ones with the blinders like the ones you have?
bball...I don't even a kid at either school, let alone on either team...3rd party observer. I just went to watch a game I thought would be a good one.
From my experience with watching both of these teams, I have concluded that BOTH teams are a bunch of mouthy punks. But it does make for some intense exciting ball games!
BTW, Dont be so quick to blame a coach. As a parent im sure you have told your kid to do something and they havent. Or you have told them NOT to do something, and they did it anyways.
BTW, Dont be so quick to blame a coach. As a parent im sure you have told your kid to do something and they havent. Or you have told them NOT to do something, and they did it anyways.
The mouthy chatter has been going on for several years now. It is widely known that most teams in 8-5A have been doing it now for quite sometime. Having seen most of these teams for 3 years now, Plano Schools, Lewisville Schools(Marcus, Flower Mound and Hebron) they have been doing this for quite sometime now. The SS at Flower Mound has been known to do this year after year along with some questionable gestures. With that being said, the SS is a very good player though and has a bravado about him that borders cockiness. But like they say, it ain't being cocky if you can back it up.
Play hard and play to win, but win or lose with class. Respect your opponent.
That seems to have been lost with some organizations.
Some teams feel it necessary to jaw and attempt to get under the skin of the opponent to get an edge. Using that tactic can also serve to add focus to the opponent that doesn't practice that in return. The only recourse the team exhibiting "class" may have in that circumstance (possibly mandated by the head coach)is to play hard and become even more focused on defeating the "class-less" team. Thus, victory is even sweeter.
Teams that "jaw" reflect poorly on the coaches, supporters and the organization as a whole.
I'm particularly proud our coach has a handle on our boys and avoids this practice.
That seems to have been lost with some organizations.
Some teams feel it necessary to jaw and attempt to get under the skin of the opponent to get an edge. Using that tactic can also serve to add focus to the opponent that doesn't practice that in return. The only recourse the team exhibiting "class" may have in that circumstance (possibly mandated by the head coach)is to play hard and become even more focused on defeating the "class-less" team. Thus, victory is even sweeter.
Teams that "jaw" reflect poorly on the coaches, supporters and the organization as a whole.
I'm particularly proud our coach has a handle on our boys and avoids this practice.
Plano West 3
Allen 2
Allen 2
3-23 Friday night scores
FM 4 LHS 1
PESH 3 Hebron 2
Plano 4 Marcus 3
West 3 Allen 2
District overall
FM 3-1
Allen 3-1
Plano 3-1
Marcus 2-2
PESH 2-2
Hebron 1-3
LHS 1-3
West 1-3
FM 4 LHS 1
PESH 3 Hebron 2
Plano 4 Marcus 3
West 3 Allen 2
District overall
FM 3-1
Allen 3-1
Plano 3-1
Marcus 2-2
PESH 2-2
Hebron 1-3
LHS 1-3
West 1-3
Who pitched tonight? Tough matchups with 3 games in 4 days.
Alexander got a big W for West.
Alexander got a big W for West.
quote:Originally posted by The Gooch:
Who pitched tonight? Tough matchups with 3 games in 4 days.
Alexander got a big W for West.
Boucher goes distance for East in a dual with Farley in PE 3-2 victory. Good clean game with 1 error between the two teams.
Plano East Coach Collins gets his 300th win.
The scores tonight themselves speak of the parity in this district. I'm sure before it is all over there will be some blowouts, but if the pitchers stay healthy and the teams play to their capability, it is a battle EVERY time out. I missed most of the West vs Allen game tonight, but my son was extremely complimentary of West...said they played flawless defense, pitcher threw well, and they strung together a bunch of hits in a big 2-run inning late in the game. Sounds like a well-played game on both sides of the diamond.
As I said above... LOTS of baseball to play, no one is in, no one is out at this point.
As I said above... LOTS of baseball to play, no one is in, no one is out at this point.
quote:Originally posted by planoeast86:
The mouthy chatter has been going on for several years now. It is widely known that most teams in 8-5A have been doing it now for quite sometime. Having seen most of these teams for 3 years now, Plano Schools, Lewisville Schools(Marcus, Flower Mound and Hebron) they have been doing this for quite sometime now. The SS at Flower Mound has been known to do this year after year along with some questionable gestures. With that being said, the SS is a very good player though and has a bravado about him that borders cockiness. But like they say, it ain't being cocky if you can back it up.
I don't know who "They" are but it is still cocky and there is no need for that stuff especially at this level. It has everything to do with leadership wether that is the coach a player or parents. The language that I hear at these games is unbelievable. I can't believe these kids get away with it from the coaches but parents as well. I have been very disappointed with all that **** and I wish these young men and coaches would shut up and play and respect not only your opponent but your school your parents and yourself. Completely disrespecting the great game!!
quote:Originally posted by Oldschool31:
The language that I hear at these games is unbelievable. I can't believe these kids get away with it from the coaches but parents as well. I have been very disappointed with all that **** and I wish these young men and coaches would shut up and play and respect not only your opponent but your school your parents and yourself. Completely disrespecting the great game!!
Great way to make a point about language!!
quote:Originally posted by planoeast86:
The mouthy chatter has been going on for several years now. It is widely known that most teams in 8-5A have been doing it now for quite sometime. Having seen most of these teams for 3 years now, Plano Schools, Lewisville Schools(Marcus, Flower Mound and Hebron) they have been doing this for quite sometime now. The SS at Flower Mound has been known to do this year after year along with some questionable gestures. With that being said, the SS is a very good player though and has a bravado about him that borders cockiness. But like they say, it ain't being cocky if you can back it up.
I would agree, but the Plano dugout was particularly bad this spring. They were even mouthing to the opposing fans.
Spell check??? Typed in s t u f. Don't know why it would put *'s
quote:Originally posted by Clemson896:
I would agree, but the Plano dugout was particularly bad this spring. They were even mouthing to the opposing fans.
I'm sure the always well-behaved Flower Mound crowd didn't bring any of it on themselves.
No doubt they were respectful towards the Plano crowd, their coaches, their players and stayed away from all intimidation tactics.
It's also totally inconceivable to think the Flower Mound crowd whined, whined, whined and then whined some more to the umpires.
Yeah....right.
quote:Originally posted by Calahan:quote:Originally posted by Clemson896:
I would agree, but the Plano dugout was particularly bad this spring. They were even mouthing to the opposing fans.
I'm sure the always well-behaved Flower Mound crowd didn't bring any of it on themselves.
No doubt they were respectful towards the Plano crowd, their coaches, their players and stayed away from all intimidation tactics.
It's also totally inconceivable to think the Flower Mound crowd whined, whined, whined and then whined some more to the umpires.
Yeah....right.
Calahan, Did he say anything about Flower Mound game? He said this spring. I get the feeling that Plano's dugout and fans have a reputation at all their games.
Not the FM game. Tournament of Champions games.
Marcus 1
Allen 0
Allen 0
quote:Originally posted by Allen Wranglers:
Marcus 1
Allen 0
This was a well played game by both teams. An untimely passed ball was the difference.
Standings through 5 games....
Plano 4-1
Allen 3-2
Flower Mound 3-2
FM Marcus 3-2
Plano East 3-2
Plano West 2-3
Hebron 1-4
Lewisville 1-4
Plano 4-1
Allen 3-2
Flower Mound 3-2
FM Marcus 3-2
Plano East 3-2
Plano West 2-3
Hebron 1-4
Lewisville 1-4
Allen, Flower Mound, and Plano all have strengths and are very evenly matched.
in the allen v. marcus game was it a "passed ball" or a wild pitch, not that it makes any difference.just curious since you brought it up
quote:Originally posted by rabe62:
in the allen v. marcus game was it a "passed ball" or a wild pitch, not that it makes any difference.just curious since you brought it up
I was sitting behind home plate, and our scorer ruled it a WP, after asking for some input. The ruling was based on the fact that the pitch (fastball) missed the target setup by 2+' to the backhand side, even though the C did get a glove on it. Knowing the two players involved, I'm guessing the C would say he should have had it, and the P would say he didn't give the C a chance.
Both teams had some other chances to score runs... just never could scratch them across.
After watching each of these teams play in district and few teams multiple times, I would have to say that the top four are these teams in this order
FM
PLANO
Marcus
Allen
Even though fm and allen have lost the last 2 they have the pitching to keep them in ball games. Allen is 2 runs away from being 5-0, and Fm saw some adversity that they will definetly bounce back from. Of course my opinion could change if Allen and FM lose on Tuesday. Either way, what an exciting district. Even the 1-4 teams are good teams that would probably make the playoffs in other districts.
FM
PLANO
Marcus
Allen
Even though fm and allen have lost the last 2 they have the pitching to keep them in ball games. Allen is 2 runs away from being 5-0, and Fm saw some adversity that they will definetly bounce back from. Of course my opinion could change if Allen and FM lose on Tuesday. Either way, what an exciting district. Even the 1-4 teams are good teams that would probably make the playoffs in other districts.
Tuesday, 3/27
Allen 6
Hebron 2
Allen 6
Hebron 2
The madness continues...Allen must lead the world in 7th inning runs scored (4 more last night) plus Lewisville grabs a W against Marcus.
DISTRICT STANDINGS THRU MARCH 27 (FRIDAY GAME)
PLANO 4-2 (@PLANO WEST)
FLOWER MOUND 4-2 (@ALLEN)
PLANO EAST 4-2 (LEWISVILLE)
ALLEN 4-2 (FLOWER MOUND)
FM MARCUS 3-3 (HEBRON)
PLANO WEST 2-4 (PLANO)
LEWISVILLE 2-4 (@EAST)
HEBRON 1-5 (@FM MARCUS)
DISTRICT STANDINGS THRU MARCH 27 (FRIDAY GAME)
PLANO 4-2 (@PLANO WEST)
FLOWER MOUND 4-2 (@ALLEN)
PLANO EAST 4-2 (LEWISVILLE)
ALLEN 4-2 (FLOWER MOUND)
FM MARCUS 3-3 (HEBRON)
PLANO WEST 2-4 (PLANO)
LEWISVILLE 2-4 (@EAST)
HEBRON 1-5 (@FM MARCUS)
Hey Bambino,
Nice win by Lewisville over Marcus and Plano East snuck by Flower Mound and Plano. Neither team is very good though.
Nice win by Lewisville over Marcus and Plano East snuck by Flower Mound and Plano. Neither team is very good though.
quote:Originally posted by Great Bambino:
With Allen at the top of the standings, im wondering if its a fluke? or can they actually contend for a playoff spot? they did beat Plano, but lewisville and east are not very good. What was their record prior to district play? Were their losses to good teams? I guess im just not sold on them yet. Who are their next few opponents?
Allen Leading the world in 7th inning runs should scare teams. Never say die.......little Teen Wolf quote for ya this morning.
DISTRICT STANDINGS THRU MARCH 27 (FRIDAY GAME)
PLANO 4-2 (@PLANO WEST)
FLOWER MOUND 4-2 (@ALLEN)
PLANO EAST 4-2 (LEWISVILLE)
ALLEN 4-2 (FLOWER MOUND)
FM MARCUS 3-3 (HEBRON)
PLANO WEST 2-4 (PLANO)
LEWISVILLE 2-4 (@EAST)
HEBRON 1-5 (@FM MARCUS)
Prediction on District Standings after friday the 30th
FM 5-2
Plano 5-2
Allen 4-3
East 4-3
Marcus 4-3
Lewisville 3-4
West 2-5
Hebron 1-6
West could upset Plano, but its unlikely with Reed on the bump for Plano.
DISTRICT STANDINGS THRU MARCH 27 (FRIDAY GAME)
PLANO 4-2 (@PLANO WEST)
FLOWER MOUND 4-2 (@ALLEN)
PLANO EAST 4-2 (LEWISVILLE)
ALLEN 4-2 (FLOWER MOUND)
FM MARCUS 3-3 (HEBRON)
PLANO WEST 2-4 (PLANO)
LEWISVILLE 2-4 (@EAST)
HEBRON 1-5 (@FM MARCUS)
Prediction on District Standings after friday the 30th
FM 5-2
Plano 5-2
Allen 4-3
East 4-3
Marcus 4-3
Lewisville 3-4
West 2-5
Hebron 1-6
West could upset Plano, but its unlikely with Reed on the bump for Plano.
Once again... a slew of close, well-contested games last night.
I'll say it again, all 8 of these teams compete with each other every time they step on the field... to the point now, almost halfway through, nothing should be considered an "upset."
It makes for some very exciting baseball.
I'll say it again, all 8 of these teams compete with each other every time they step on the field... to the point now, almost halfway through, nothing should be considered an "upset."
It makes for some very exciting baseball.
Allen 2, Flower Mound 1.
Thrilling game, with exceptional pitching all around. Allen wins in bottom of 7th with single up middle to score the runner from 2nd on a bang-bang play at the plate. All 3 runs in the game were unearned.
Marcus 5, Hebron 4... Marcus scores 2 in bottom of 7.
Thrilling game, with exceptional pitching all around. Allen wins in bottom of 7th with single up middle to score the runner from 2nd on a bang-bang play at the plate. All 3 runs in the game were unearned.
Marcus 5, Hebron 4... Marcus scores 2 in bottom of 7.
Plano beats west 2-1, big homerun by freshman Cody Farhat in the 8th to break a 0-0 tie.
East beats Lewisville 6-1. East is playing some great ball right now. They are getting some really good starting pitching.
East beats Lewisville 6-1. East is playing some great ball right now. They are getting some really good starting pitching.
District Standings Thru March 30 (next game) ...
Allen 5-2 (Plano)
East 5-2 (@Marcus)
Plano 5-2 (@Allen)
F Mound 4-3 (@Hebron)
Marcus 4-3 (East)
West 2-5 (Lewisville)
Lewisville 2-5 (@West)
Hebron 1-6 (F Mound)
Allen 5-2 (Plano)
East 5-2 (@Marcus)
Plano 5-2 (@Allen)
F Mound 4-3 (@Hebron)
Marcus 4-3 (East)
West 2-5 (Lewisville)
Lewisville 2-5 (@West)
Hebron 1-6 (F Mound)
I've been to all of the Plano wildcats games this year and I think with the strong pitching in the bullpen by Ryan Thomas and Ryan Robertson they will run away with the district in the second half