Division III

They can offer academic money and grants .

Many Division III schools are very "creative" with their financial packages

EMurray15, welcome...I see your another new member..hope we can help you on your way to the next level. As TR said no athletic scholarships but they can get "creative" in academics, grants, one year awards, etc. Talk to the coach. He should start asking you questions about your grades, SAT or ACT scores...what kind of classes did you take, what kind of field of study do you want to go into. That will start the research that will find out what kind of moneys are out there. In my experience, the more the coach wants you, the harder he will work for you to get you to come to his school...jmo.

financial "need" scholarships/grants, loans are very prevelant and often quite generous with many D-3's.

EMurray15
Your main source of free money will be based on academic (GPA) scores. One of the top D111 schools in VA has a academic program based on your GPA/SAT. Example - 2.80 you will recieve $5,000, - 3.00 you will recieve $7,000 - 3.2 you will recieve 10,000 - 3.5 you will recieve 12,000, - 3.8 = 15,000, - 4.0 20,000. This school cost 25,500 to attend.This particular school also offers other grants. I believe most schools will have some type of merrit program based on GPA/SAT'S. So remember, no matter what your ERA or BA may be, free money is based on academic success.

fc v dad

Yes, but while the DIII's may post academic requirements for academic $$, don't doubt that they can make it happen if they REALLY want you. Even if you don't "qualify" on paper for the aid. They'll do whatever they can to try to compete, unfortunately their hands are tied when it comes to competing w/ schools that have academic AND athletic money.

Excellent post, MrandMrsBaseball. Many DIII schools get around the "no athletic" money with generous academic scholarships even for those with little or no academics. A lot of DIII schools are hurting and you'll find even for the non-athlete, tuition is often discounted from the sticker price to just about everyone that applies - it's a "come-on" very similar to how car salesman work. The schools will never admit that they operate in such a fashion, but they spend big bucks to consultants who design these types of marketing programs for them. If you are set on playing DIII, you shouldn't have to pay full fare to play.

BUDDY BOY


I am sure the Division III recruiters, academic and athelic, would like to know you compare them to car salesmen--

I also think the term "creative" works better than "get around" ---dont you ?

You know something, TRhit, I'm beginning to like you. I've been on you for no reason and you still "talk" to me. Anyway, you are correct, "get around" is a better term. BUT, you have to admit, higher education (whether it's athletics or academics) is a business and institutions play the same marketing games that any other entity does. What has bothered me over the years is the "high and mighty" attitude some of these schools display, but when it comes to grabbing the 6'6" left handed pitcher, they're down in the dirt with the Barry Switzer and Jackie Sherrill type recruiting tactics. My favorite of course is the DIII gimmick, "we know your parents are worth $5 million, but just fill out the financial aid forms and we'll see what we can do".

Sorry, TRhit, I meant, "creative" is a better term.

BuddyBOY

Now I am worried-- you are beginning to like me !!!!!

But I am not beginning to like you--your statement that you have been on me for no reason just tells everybody a bit more about your character--

I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, Tom. I realize, however that everyone has to make a living and in my book, for you to take money for what you do - that shows a lack of character. Oh yeah, all your loyal followers probably worship the ground you walk on and you undoubtedly count as your best friends the coaches that patronize you. Now I know why you defended to the death my comments about some DIII programs - after reviewing where some of your cu$stomer$ have "committed" to, it's obvious. You probably do a good job convincing parents and players that they cannot get to the next level without you.

BUDDYBOY

As I said before "you are so far off base you are out" even with my poor pick off move

You dont truly know me , not even close-- In fact I dont have to defend myself to the likes of you-- I know who I am but I dont think you do.

Why are you so hung up on $$$ ??? ---I know I am not and those that know me will attest to that

By the way-- yopu snide remarks and in the gutter behavior wont drive me away and that is another fact-- your ilk will always be around on this site and then disappear like a vaporizing cloud-- they just reappear under different ID's and premises and then move to another website to be similarly disruptive and inane.

Like I said--I know who and what I am-- can you say that about yourself ???--you seem to be searching

If money is not an issue, then why isn't your corporation registered as a 501(c) instead of an LLC?

Is it any of your business what I am?

You have crossed the line with that question

Again the post shows the type of individual that you are !!!

You continually explain that you do not do what you do for the money and your followers support your claim. However, if such was the case, why would you register as a for profit corporation? It isn't any of my business as you write, but if you are going to remind us all that money isn't an issue, you can certainly respond to this question. Unless, of course it's something you don't want anybody to know about.

Actually, a "LLC" is a Limited Liability Company, which is a form in which to do business, similar to a Sub-S corporation, taxed as a partnership, but given the limited liability of a corporation. A 501 (c)(3) ruling is a ruling from the IRS that an organization is tax-exempt, and can be given to corporations and non-corporations, upon their filing of form 2550, a wonderful 20 page effort, give or take a few pages, if they qualify.

Many businesses do wonderful things yet aren't tax-exempt. For example, many college summer league teams are privately owned yet the owners are thrilled if they break even. While the IRS sees them as a taxable entity, there is much benevolence in their purpose.

If a person can do good things, and it happens to be the way or part of the way he makes his living, who are any of us to judge, even if it isn't tax-exempt in the eyes of the IRS?

TR's program has helped an awful lot of kids; I doubt any of them minds if he doesn't have a 501(c)(3) ruling, and by the way, I don't know if he does or doesn't.

BUDDYBOY

What we do is our business and ours alone !!!!!!!

I dont think anyone on this site has a problem with that !!!

Call me and talk about it like man--one on one--I challenge you

800-782-3672

Hokieone

Thanx for explaining it to BUDDYBOY-- in fact we cannot be a "not for profit"--we do not meet the guidelines as per our accountants explanation.

There are a lot of reasons someone would not list their organization as not for profit and one of those would be the organization does not meet all the legal criteria for a not for profit. Secondly, registering an organization as not for profit does not mean people don't make money on the activities of the organization. In many circumstances they do. Our local paper did an article on one such organization supporting youth sports where salaries exceeding $100,000 were listed. You seem to be implying that not for profit means everyone volunteers their time, resources and expertise which is just not the case. The message you are trying to send by the distinction you identify is wrong.

Last I checked infielddad, you were a member of the California bar. Are you licensed to practice in Connecticut?

Uh Buddy, since you referenced 501(c)(3), I would assume you understand that is a reference to the Federal/IRS tax codes as Hokieone also previously pointed out, not the laws of the state of Ct. or CA. The distinctions you are trying to make don't work. How about we all stick to baseball, it is a lot more fun.

infielddad

I am with you-- why he took the road he took is unknown to me !!!

How about those trades today??????

ok Buddy I will have my say now...
I have no affiliation with College Select...although my son was invited...I have a D1 player...so that negates my D3 connection...but I live in the Northeast where TR has his business and let me tell you he is very well thought of up here...whether you play for him or not he is willing to offer guidance and support in helping youngmen achieve their dream of going to the next level...the Northeast is loaded with D3 schools...academically very superior D3 schools...the likes of which most kids do not have the marks to be even considered by...does it matter where the $$$ are derived from as long as the dream to play is there...if my son had the SAT scores high enough he would have gone to Tufts or Babson...he has many, many friends at these schools but SATs must be in the 1300-1400 range in order to attend...he will though obtain his Masters degree from Babson we hope
I do not comprehend your verbal onslaught against TR especially questioning that way his company is listed...as he said call him but do not bring your misguided thoughts to this website
BTW in case you want to check my bar status it is here at the local one

vapor cloud, is that the same thing as a f*rt in the wind?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I appreciate all of your support in the midst of this uncalled for character assasination by buddybaseball. I don't know what his motive is-maybe jeolousy - perhaps he's a parent of some player who feels I did not do enough for his son. I don't know, but I do know I try hard to provide the very best for all of those young men and their parents who I come in contact with. Believe me, if money was the game, I wouldn't be doing this. I do this for the love of the game and the joy it brings to the families I encounter. Thanks again for your kind words.

Goodness gracious, I feel sorry for the kid who asked the question, being treated instead to this vitriol instead of people making suggestions to help him! Why don't you two take your argument off the site and send IMs to each other? Better yet, take each other out for a hot dog? (I woulda said beer but this is a high school site....)

Back to the OP whose name I forget--good luck with the recruiting. I wonder if the experts on the site can tell you at what point you can start asking the coaches about financial aid? How well do you have to know the coach, or how many times do you have to have talked to him, to ask these questions?

If it's an issue, then I think the money needs to be addressed up front. But that's ONLY if the player knows he would like to attend that school. If he isn't sure, then investigate a bit, and then bring it up.

Most private schools have numerous attainable academic scholarships, even if a student's grades and SAT scores are not "off the chart". At my son's school, which is private, any student with a 3.3 and 1050 SAT can get a scholarship equal to 25% of the annual cost; for 3.5 and 1200, 50%, and there are higher amounts for higher scores. Add these funds to miscellaneous grants and the like and before long, the tab paid by the parents isn't too scarey. All you need to do is ask what's available at a school in which you are interested.

Bordeaux

As soon as you feel you are on serious ground with the coach you can talk financial aid.

If your son is serious about the school from the git go then talk about it sooner---it may help you maintain or erase the school from consideration

As for you " Goodness Gracious" you have a PM

Thanks TR, got it and sent one back to you. Thanks for all the reply posts, I'm sure they are helpful to the OP.

TR; Why waste your energy on buddy? One poster had a footnote that read " Don't argue with an Idiot, they drag you down to their level, then beat you to death with experience" Your energy is well spent doing the good things you do. I have never met you, but being from Ct. I know how well respected you are. And well deserved I'm sure.

Thanks everyone for the help. I have only gotten to talk to one coach about financial aid that he is willing to give. All the other calls where to get information and talk to me about what I thought about their programs and if I was interested in attending their school. Thanks again for all the help(even though a little fight broke out)

EMurray...if a coach is already talking to you about financial aid at this point in the summer, and you are talking to others, that sounds like you are way ahead of the game and will do well.

At this point during my son's recruiting, I don't think he'd been contacted by any of the D3s that ended up recruiting and admitting him. That all started in the fall. So best of luck!

EMurray

You have a PM

Got it TRhit and I responded. Bordeaux, thanks for the encouragement, I called the coach after their AD emailed me and said that they were interested in me and then we just got to talking. Thanks everyone on this board, everything has really helped. Everyone on this board is first class!

I don't pretend to know, or want to know, the ecomomics of College Select. But this is what I do know: Tom runs one of the best organized showcases we attended. He also coordinates tournament teams that allow players to travel to regions where they may want to play in order to be seen by coaches who cannot travel to each players' home. After all of that is over, Tom is always available to answer questions, provide information, call a coach or do just about anything he can to help families find a good fit for their player. Yes, the showcases and tournaments cost money. But I'd venture a guess that Tom spends far more uncompensated time providing useful information on this site and to anyone who takes the time to pick up the phone or send an email. Tom calls him as he sees them. Not everyone can deal with that. Buddybaseball must be one of those.

Holden - I assume you attend Kenyon College (OH) by the logo you display. Kenyon is a great academic school and competes marginally in the North Coast Athletic Conference. I am sure you could have found yourself a roster spot on Coach Burdette's squad without paying the bucks you paid to participate in the showcases - that's my point.

EMurray15-
Western NY has several D-III schools that are very good academically as well as from a baseball perspective. SUNY Fredonia, SUNY Brockport, SUNY Cortland, RIT, and St John Fisher are just a few. All have strong programs, on and off the field. Be prepared to work hard --- D-III doesn't mean "easier". Fredonia, Brockport, and Fisher all were interested in my son. He chose to go elsewhere, but I would have had absolutely no issue with him going to any of these schools, baseball or otherwise.
And how about Brockport upsetting Cortland this year! Wow.
Good luck!

Yeah I have been talked to by Fredonia and their coach came and saw me play. I have sent info to Cortland and Brockport but have not received anything back yet. Haven't checked out St. John Fisher yet. I might do that. Thanks PioneerDad.

Buddy, It is my son who is attending Kenyon. Since Coach B did not get to see him play, he relied a great deal on the recommendations of showcase directors who did see him play in making the decision to recruit Greg.

Greg is hoping to help remove "marginally" from your description of Kenyon's fortunes.