DMN Leaderboard Stats

Used to be Tuesdays, but it may be on Thursday in their pull out section.

I beleive it is on Thursdays. It has not been published yet but should be soon. It is also published on their web site.

I sent an email to DMN last week and they told me it would be this Thursday. Saw it in today's Sport's Day as well. Thursday for sure.

The on-line leaderboard seems to have been put up today...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/highschools/leaderboard/baseball/

Wow -- has Everman lost a game?

Thanks BD.

Some impressive HR stats for Jordan Walden (9), Aaron Baker (8) and Justin Walker (7).

BD -- great start for berknerSon.

PDiddy,

Ain't ya'll's girl turned in your stats yet?

Or is her T-Shirt too tight?

Dunno FO -- I think it's a matter of not having much good to report???

Nawp, just a matter of time probably.

Makes it more difficult to observe though....

Flower Mound hasn't reported either. Looks like quite a few schools either can't or haven't turned in reports. Stats from those turned in are still quite impressive however.

The Skyline boys took a hit yesterday. I wonder if their averages will improve after being 1-hit.

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The Skyline boys took a hit yesterday. I wonder if their averages will improve after being 1-hit.

Now that one would have made for a good 1000..... lol

I am beginning to think momandcpa's girl scorekeeper is handling the books for several teams.

Here's a newbie question from the "cheapseats"...

Do the leaderboard stats include pre-season tournaments? Do they include all games or just district?

Some teams look like they have played alot of games and some teams look like they have played a few? Do some teams report tournament data while other teams don't?

Who submits the data....the schools? Many schools have no data...does that mean no stats have been submitted?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this ... your input is appreciated.

cheapseats,

Here is a response to your questions in the order you asked, but the order does effect the response, so read all of, then think about it.

The leaaderboard can include all games or just district. You can figure it out though based on the number of games played which on the results page and then factor in the number of AB's.

Some teams have played alot of games and some teams have played only a few. Some teams report tournament data others don't.

Again you have to look at the number of games played.

I think the coaches ususlly report the data but I also know that sometimes a dad takes the responsibility and kept the team stats.

The schools that show no data have not reportsd. The paper just regurgitates whtat they receive.

Sometimes the data is not timely reported.

The reporting has usually firmed up by the time district has started, so things are a little behind this year.

So, with those observations, it don't really matter if a high school girl with a tight t-shirt is doing it or not.

But, it is still fun ain't it?

And, the stats that may be embellished by some are lying to themselves anyway.

Keep your own book at the game and then compare to what is reported.

It might be pretty revealing.

thanks formerobserver!

I think I finally figured out how to raise my son's batting average by close to 200 points. We need to move to another school!

Summarizing FO's post: the stats are meaningless because many schools numbers are make-believe.

FM shows stats in the star Telegram (Tuesday). The abscence in the DMN is a ? becasue they were reported. The DMN website has their game results.

4A LEADERS
PITCHING (Min. 20 innings)
Pitcher, team W L SV IP H ER BB SOERA
Kyle Marshall, West Mesquite 4 1 0 28.1 17 0 13 31 0.00
Bryan Dixon, West Mesquite 1 2 4 31.2 26 0 13 33 0.00
Manuel Azcona, West Mesquite 4 2 0 36.1 34 0 17 30 0.00

This is the leaderboard for 4-A pitchers. #'s 1,2,3 from the DMN website.

Do they have the worst defense in the history of HS baseball, or are these guys just studs?

Someone enlighten me!!

It was good seeing you today OP. Ya look good man. Hang in there. I will check on camp dates for you.

Thanks Coach A. It was great seeing you and DF yesterday as well. Looking forward to seeing if you can come over and help us with the catching stuff. Take care and don't work too hard.

Note: Stats updated.

Thanks, BD. Nice to see a couple of DISD kids atop the 5A & 4A hitter ranks.

5A - .593 Bryan Holaday (WT White)

4A - .673 Matt Sulentic (Hillcrest)

Am I looking at this thing wrong or are there still 5A schools (and others) with no stats?

Also, some teams show better records in the DMN stats than I have for them from following this website....do the schools just pick and choose which scores to report to the DMN? I am not trying to be critical of any school...just trying to understand the DMN stats.

Up to the coach to report it.

If you look at the schedules, you will see not all games have been reported. Winning coaches usually report it from the dugout after the third out of the 7th inning...losing coaches may never report it.

Same with statistics...only as good as the knowledge of the person keeping them and properly padded based on classification of player in school.

Evidently the guys over here in Flower Mound either haven't reported, don't care about reporting, or figured out how to report properly to the DMN or the DMN has a problem with what is being reported as there are a number of FM players that would be among the 5A leaders.

For some reason they are listed in the Ft. Worth Star Telegram but not the DMN.

Add this to your shopping list F. O.
Coaches at all Metroplex schools are given a packet around December.
They are asked by DMN to turn in a complete schedule and a complete roster by a deadline.
Coaches phone in results following a game.
BIG PROBLEM
If a school wins a 7:00 or 7:30 start game on the road and has to drive home for 30-45 minutes they have exceeded the deadline.10:00pm
In the past some districts agree that the winning team call it in. Others ask the home team to call it in.
No consistancy. You have to have consistancy.
Then there's the book itself. Your stats are only going to be as legit as the person on the book or palm pilot.
I had a Dad tell me his kid was hitting 800 once and I only had him at 250. Dad actually thought that if you made contact it was a hit.
SB's are the biggest joke on the leader board as well as what a true RBI is. Believe it or not there is a majority that dont know what an RBI actually is. (Look it up) I don't think cookin the books occurs as much as we want to believe, it's just laziness and ignorance of how to keep stats. Paranoia also plays a part in some coaches not calling in stats. They actually believe someone can scout them off stats. Absurd!
Where I was and it still happens WE CALL EM ALL IN WIN OR LOSE

I see that the Skyline players didn't fall off too bad after being 1-hit By WT White last week. Nothing like a 13-1 win over Carter to keep the numbers up....

Swingdoc - don't go knocking the DMN stats....that's where us summer guys find out who to recruit!

I don't know how I'm going to fit in both the Skyline and Samuell games today.

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Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:
don't go knocking the DMN stats....that's where us summer guys find out who to recruit!

So it does serve some of these schools/players/dad's etc. to over-inflate their son's or player's stats....they get more scouts and top summer clubs looking at their boys....I know that in the end the "cream of the crop" is going to rise to the top but you have to get noticed first...

Oh I'm not knocking em, I just don't like coaches that cry about coverage and articles and they are the ones not calling in game reports. Never was handed a line-up that didn't have oppositions record and yet you only see the overall record of the team that calls the game in. I'm laying the blame here with us coaches....Thats where it's deserved.

Some coaches believe that published stats provide a real-time scouting report for opponents.

Now we have all participated in discussion(s) about the accuracy of statistics -- who keeps them?, who understands how to calculate ERA?, who understands that a SF counts as an AB for OB% while a SH does not (or vice versa)?, etc......but.....a team stat sheet SHOULD (to a decent degree) show the team's leading hitters, run producers, pitchers, speed kids, etc.

This isn't the best example because the DMN stats may not prove my point but....why would a Hillcrest opponent pitch to Sulentic? (answer: because it's HS baseball)

Disclaimer: my comments do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Plano East or Flower Mound or dozens of other coaches that have not listed team stats.

pdiddy...I can tell alot from looking at the plano east baseball website...you show enough there so that one could get a good idea of who's who and how they are doing...why not go ahead and report them to the DMN? (that is a retorical question...I know you aren't the stat girl )

It's suppose to be about the kids. If a kid is deserving he should have the opportunity to have his name in print. Do you think Football coaches don't list leading rushers? Basketball..leading scorers...it's an unjust act and they ought to all be in there. Make decisions based on whats Best for Kids and you'll never go wrong.

One last comment...If your coach is scouting out of the newspaper....I like my odds!

I'm simply mentioning a theory that I have heard.... As far as I know, it does not apply to this year's situation.

Regarding kids deserving to see their names in print -- they also deserve to have games reported accurately in the local papers --- another can of worms.

PantherDad: "no comment"

Hmmm, son went 3 for 7 last week and his average went down

I opened the DMN last thusday to look for players names, that my son has played against, or that I know for various reasons. I was disappointed to find many of these kids not listed:

Matt Sulentic (Hillcrest)- 9 HR (now 11)
Tant Shepherd (Flower Mound)- .540 BA
ETC.

High School baseball is for the players. Coaches/teachers jobs are to "mold minds and bodies" or both. I realize many coaches jobs are based on won/loss records, but if you are Spruce HS coach and you don't know who Matt Sulentic is or Plano HS coach and you don't know who Tant Shepherd is, well scouting reports probably won't help anyways (not a shot at Plano HS or Spruce, just opponets of FM and HCrest last night).

HS coaches either should delegate or dedicate to make sure their scores are in and offensive and pitching stats are in and accurate.

JMO