#1. Price - 6'6"
M#4. oskos - 6'1"
#6. Detwiler - 6'5"
#8. Weathers - 6'1"
#10. Bumgarner - 6'4"
#11. Aumont - 6'7"
etc...
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quote:Originally posted by obrady:
#1. Price - 6'6"
M#4. oskos - 6'1"
#6. Detwiler - 6'5"
#8. Weathers - 6'1"
#10. Bumgarner - 6'4"
#11. Aumont - 6'7"
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
What I find funny is the talk about how Detweiler needs to put on more weight. Why do people think that matters?
Has anyone seen Casey Fossum or Randy Johnson?
I would argue that mechanics are much more important than one's frame.
quote:Originally posted by redbird5:quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
What I find funny is the talk about how Detweiler needs to put on more weight. Why do people think that matters?
Has anyone seen Casey Fossum or Randy Johnson?
I would argue that mechanics are much more important than one's frame.
This is where your lack of working knowledge hurts you. He needs to put on weight because of the grind of a long season. I routinely lost 7-10 lbs per year during our college season. It is nothing for pro guys to lose 10-15 lbs per year. If Detwiler were to lose that, he would be in the 160-165 range which is ridiculously skinny (and probably weak) for a 6'4"-6'5" frame.
quote:Originally posted by Chameleon:
Chris, Who did you recommend your team draft?
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
Have you seen Casey Fossum lately?
There are certain body types (e.g. West Texas guys) that are simply more lean than others.
I agree that proper conditioning is critical, but that's different than raw weight.
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
One of my favorites was taken, but the other guys I like are still available, including one guy that I think is an 8 out of 8.
quote:One of my favorites was taken, but the other guys I like are still available, including one guy that I think is an 8 out of 8.
quote:Originally posted by redbird5:quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
One of my favorites was taken, but the other guys I like are still available, including one guy that I think is an 8 out of 8.
8 or an 80? What was your criteria for this kid being an 8/80?
quote:Originally posted by deemax:quote:One of my favorites was taken, but the other guys I like are still available, including one guy that I think is an 8 out of 8.
Scouts do not throw around perfect scores of 8 or 80..... Do you realize how the stars have to aligne in order for a pitcher to be given an overall 8? This grade would consist of the pitcher having Maddux (8 years ago version) control, Nolan Ryan fastball, Bert Blyleven curve (or a Steve Carlton slider), and a Johan Santana change. A score of 6 or 60 is outstanding. Who is this prospect that you gave a perfect score to... I have seen one pitcher in 20 years get a 70....Im real curious to see tape on an 80.
quote:The 8 out of 8 is based solely on mechanics
quote:He's a virtual clone of Maddux, from the standpoint of mechanics
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Can you explain the mechanics grading scale? Are mechanics a new tool that is being graded?
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
I just watched Kopp's tape and can not find anything that would qualify him as a clone of Maddux...The differences were numerous. With that being said I really liked Kopp's delivery but I dont get the Maddux clone quote.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Can you explain the mechanics grading scale? You said "8 out of 8"... 2-8 grading scale is designed for tools... I'm wondering how you were able to fit mechanics into that scale.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Regarding size… Here are the height and weight of every pitcher selected in the first 5 rounds today (in order). All throw 90 or better. Pick #50 is the best example of a finesse/control type. Guess for the most part size and/or velocity still rule in the draft.
quote:Keep in mind that I made this up on the fly
quote:with a clone of Mark Prior being a 2 and a clone of Greg Maddux being an 8......
I started out at everyone at 8 and then started deducting .5 to 1 point for problems with...
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Mark Prior landed in a good fielding position, had good timing, and did not land overly open or closed...If you deducted 1 point for every thing else he would be a 5 and not a 2. Please dont attempt to pull the wool over my eyes. This is the most unscientific fabrication of the 2-8 (20-80)scale I have ever seen.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
If you want your friend to take you seriously dont try to re-invent the wheel. Baseball people will not be impressed with this, in fact they will hold it against you. This is actual advice and not an attempt to humiliate you. You study pitching alot, but dont force mechanics into your hypothesis that have no bearing on injuries or perfomance...Digest them all the same. Maddux's delivery is perfect....for him.
quote:Third, I don't think Prior finished in as good of a fielding position as Maddux. I think that contributed to one of his elbow problems. I also think that Prior's timing was inferior to Maddux's.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Have you watched the draft? All the top pitchers do what you don't recommend. Poor guys.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
Bet David has good armside run on his fastball given his arm action is similar to my son's.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
Chris, Old eyes here. It looked like armside run, but I couldn't be sure from the video. I'm just assuming that because he has a relatively low arm slot and releases with the arm well extended from the body.
quote:Originally posted by CADad:
BTW, Rivera has nice movement but the opposite of armside run as he throws a cutter.
quote:My Great Grandmother lived to be 103 and her diet consisted of mostly bread and jelly. Is sugar and starch the key to longevity ?
quote:So if someones timing is not the same as Maddux's then they get a minus one, and if they dont end up in the same fielding position as Maddux they also get a minus one? Im not a fan of Priors delivery, but he repeated it very well and ended up in a good fielding position....Did you still give Prior a minus one landing to open or closed?
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Bump...I still cant figure out on your grading scale how prior is a 2....
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:
Mark Prior has the worst, and most obviously bad, mechanics of any ML pitcher that I can think of.
quote:Originally posted by thepainguy:quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Bump...I still cant figure out on your grading scale how prior is a 2....
It's a relative scale that is admittedly not scientific (but that gets the job done).
Mark Prior has the worst, and most obviously bad, mechanics of any ML pitcher that I can think of.
Other candidates for 2s are...
- Kerry Wood
- Bobby Madritsch
quote:It's a relative scale that is admittedly not scientific (but that gets the job done).
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Can you give examples of deliveries you dont like of pitchers with scap loads that dont make an M.