ECKERSLEY

What was revealed? I had a DH and didn't see the game.

What was revealed is how a great pitcher thinks and works with a umpires zone


Things like "The umpire has been giving them the strike 6 inches off the black---why not stay out there until the ump changes the zone"

My favorite pitchers. They find the edges of the zone (usually in the 1st inning), and live there.

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Things like "The umpire has been giving them the strike 6 inches off the black---why not stay out there until the ump changes the zone"

That was a secret??? My bad - I've been trying to teach that for years. Is it too late to try and keep it a secret now that I've let the cat out of the bag??

Keep in mind that Eck is not an umpires best fan---he actually critques every pitch---he even had no compassion when the plate umpire got nicked in the forearm last nite--he got heard saying " we need 20 minutes for this? There isnt even a bruise"

I love the guy---he talks the game in plain english


Coach---Eck was knocking the umpire in his not so subtle way

Eck: Never knew you could work the word 'cheese' into conversation so often.

dash

From what I undertsand he has been to rehab and is fine now--

I just lost whatever respect I had for you---that was a real low blow


also dash---please define a "typical drunk"

What Eck has shown so far: His knowledge of the rules is on a par with Joe Morgan and Tim McCarver, he has the insight of a freshman pitching coach and he still hates umpires.

Hardly makes him unique.

Eckersly is no "typical drunk". He is an admitted alcoholic who has been sober now for many years. He became a born-again Christian and credits that for saving his career and turning his life around. He talks freely and frequently on the subject, not just out of candor but also to help others to recover as well.

Which makes someone who would label him a "typical drunk" a typical you-know-what.

I'll withdraw the comment with apologies to all but TR(Typical Rat)Hit.

Midlo

Thank you !!!

So far, I like Dwight Evans better.

Also, best all around throwing arm for a right fielder I've seen (combined velocity \ accuracy \ ability to get behind the ball and get it off quickly).

as good as Evans was Clemente was even better and there was a guy in Brooklyn by the name of Furillo who played the right field wall like he built it

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Dennis Eckersley

is probably as bad as every ex-pro player I have ever heard with the exception of Joe Gragiola, maybe Ueker. Every other ex-pro that discusses baseball seems to want to spend half their time slamming umps and showing off their rule knowledge. The problem is they don't have any idea obout umpires, their jobs, or the rules. If they would stick to talking about the game and using their knowledge to explain why teams are doing what they are doing and why, they would be great.

TR, both of them were before my time.

As a kid, we'd show up in time to watch the Sox take infield. Evans would put on an absolute clinic on throwing. One hoppers to third and home, right on line, low hard, perfect. He'd make about a dozen throws during drills and it was amazing to watch...

THE PRO'S TODAY DON'T TAKE ENOUGH INFIELD!!!!

I had the pleasure , as a kid, of watching Roberto and Yogi stand side by side in right field in old Yankee Stadium as they matched throw for throw to home plate in pre game warmups---Yodi was just as strong and accurate as Roberto

great memory

MR TAYLOR

The problems with the umpires today is how they think they run the game---expanding strike zones---touch players to user them off the field---ejecting players and coaches at the drop of the hat-- they even walk on the field now, at all levels, with an attitude

I am ECK's side

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Originally posted by TRhit:
MR TAYLOR
The problems with the umpires today is how they think they run the game---expanding strike zones---touch players to user them off the field---ejecting players and coaches at the drop of the hat-- they even walk on the field now, at all levels, with an attitude
I am ECK's side

It must've been my upbringing, but I have a big issue when I hear someone say "The problem with (fill in the blank) today is.....", always followed by some generality that explains everything.

Usually these words come from "old geezers" (I know, I know), talking of the way the world used to be, and I can accept that .....Other times, like this OP, I realize its just a poor defense attempt....

archangel


It is not a defense---it is from experience on the field watching how the umpires today act as compared to years ago---their ears are so big they could fly in a good breeze-- yes there are good ones but the bad and pompous ones overtake the game


Amazing how you can judge my thinking? On what basis do your do this--the old gezzer aspect does not bother me---what bothers me is how you can judge me as you do

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Originally posted by archangel:
It must've been my upbringing, but I have a big issue when I hear someone say "The problem with (fill in the blank) today is.....", always followed by some generality that explains everything.

Usually these words come from "old geezers" (I know, I know), talking of the way the world used to be, and I can accept that .....Other times, like this OP, I realize its just a poor defense attempt....

archangel:

Every ill in baseball is the fault of the arrogant, ignorant umpires who get worse every day, every year.

Accept that, and you never have to read a post from TWhit again...unless, of course, you enjoy the humor.

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...Other times, like this OP,

Archangel and TRhit.............if you're both done........wipe yourselves. You're stinking up the place.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
archangel


It is not a defense---it is from experience on the field watching how the umpires today act as compared to years ago---their ears are so big they could fly in a good breeze-- yes there are good ones but the bad and pompous ones overtake the game


Amazing how you can judge my thinking? On what basis do your do this--the old gezzer aspect does not bother me---what bothers me is how you can judge me as you do

It is not hard to judge you when every post you make slams umpires. I have never followed your posts on the other areas of the board but here you seem to have nothing but contempt for the umpiring community as a whole. If you carry that type of attitude on the field then you will get umpires with bad attitudes back. It is a self fullfilling prophecy.
You obviously been around the game and know what you are talking about as far as coaching. Not so much with umpiring. I can't speak to what quality of umps you have in your area but I know there a ton of excellent umpires out there looking to learn all they can and do as good a job as they can. There are groups that don't train and only worry about the money, but I think they are falling by the wayside.

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Originally posted by therefump:

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...Other times, like this OP,

Archangel and TRhit.............if you're both done........wipe yourselves. You're stinking up the place.

I agree that this needs to stop.