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Works now thanks!
@Rockers posted:TPM - I have suggested he speak to the pitching coach to get feedback and only make it about him and no one else. You’re right you never know what you might get but at this point he is staying where he is to get a degree and get out. This world is not what I thought it would be that’s for sure. Live and learn I guess.
What exactly do you mean by, “this world is not what I thought it would be that’s for sure”?
When I grew up you were recruited and you stuck with one team all four years. Coaches worked with you and tried to make you better. They developed you and worked hard to develop every one. With the portal it’s made the baseball universe absolutely crazy. There is no dedication anymore. Coaches are not developing kids like they used to. They want kids who can make an immediate impact. If not you’re gone. Next?
@Rockers posted:When I grew up you were recruited and you stuck with one team all four years. Coaches worked with you and tried to make you better. They developed you and worked hard to develop every one. With the portal it’s made the baseball universe absolutely crazy. There is no dedication anymore. Coaches are not developing kids like they used to. They want kids who can make an immediate impact. If not you’re gone. Next?
I don’t know your age but I’m willing to bet that I’m older than you are. So I feel qualified to talk about how things were whenever you grew up.
Your statement that back then, coaches “worked with you and tried to make you better” may be your perception - but it’s not accurate at all.
Neither is your contention that all players were “developed.”
The portal has increased transfers exponentially. I will give you that. But it’s not like transfers are a new thing. During my senior year (1979) over 25% of our roster were players that transferred in.
So, the things you are complaining about have been going on forever. Based on all of your posts, I am of the opinion that the biggest issue is that your expectations are not in line with reality - and that always leads to disappointment.
How can you not pitch lefties? That is my final point! You can’t only have two on the entire team that pitch. That’s crazy.
@Rockers posted:How can you not pitch lefties? That is my final point! You can’t only have two on the entire team that pitch. That’s crazy.
The only reason not to pitch a LHP is that you have RHPs that you think are better options. That’s the only answer.
Well that’s it not one flipping inning in 4 scrimmages. He’s toast and doesn’t have a shot in hell. I am done.
Thanks everyone peace and best of luck! I think it’s best he just hangs it up
Dude... "toast" "best if he hangs it up". The f@#k you talking about? All 3 of my boys had orthopedic injuries this year. My mom broke her hip at age 89 this year. To quote a great American comeback hero: tell him to "fight fight fight"!
Sorry dude not worth it in my opinion. He’s a junior and should be out there dominating at this point.
Do your kid a favor and say nothing remotely close to what you just wrote. Tell him life is hard and our family belief is to work hard and be ready when opportunities arise. This thread should end.
Thanks but that is false hope.
@Dadbelly2023 posted:Do your kid a favor and say nothing remotely close to what you just wrote. Tell him life is hard and our family belief is to work hard and be ready when opportunities arise. This thread should end.
How many coaches does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one if the light bulb wants to change
A million coaches can’t do it if the light bulb doesn’t want to change.
You are right, this thread should end!
@Rockers, As parents on this journey with our kids, there are times it isn’t fun (regardless of the level they reach).
Your comments in this thread that stand out to me are:
- “so I have told him to approach the pitching coach”
- “He’s a junior and should be out there dominating at this point”
- “I think it’s best he just hangs it up”
We clearly have different ideas of what healthy adult-kid/parent relationship looks like, and none of these comments meet mine. I feel like this has become some sort of vent/console dysfunctional codependent relationship, and I’m out…
Good luck to your son, and I hope you and he both find joy in wherever the journey takes you.
I don't mind if you vent anonymously here. That's what forums like this are for; someone reading it might learn something. It's useful to know that as a parent, you can't necessarily understand everything that is happening to your son.
I'm curious, are you getting this anxiety from your son? Or is this only your analysis?
Some kids tell everything to their parents. And some tell almost nothing. I'm hoping that your son has a better idea about what is going on than you do.
Obviously no-one can answer your question about LHP. If I were in your shoes, I would be going crazy and want some answers, too.
I feel bad for your son. For a dad to think his son should hang them up, sad. If you want him to be “the” guy, maybe transfer to a d2 or d3. Is he having fun? Does he like being part of the team? Is his previous injury bothering him. Maybe try some optimism for a change.
this escalated quickly..................again..................and again.....................and again.
I am sorry to hear that your son's transfer to another school isn't what he expected.
I understand the frustration. I just hope you are supporting him no matter what and encouraging him to talk to the coach to find out if there is anything he can do to improve or work on.
Right now he needs your positivity and support more than anything.
I don't mind the venting as long as it's only here not to your son or his coaches. Baseball is hard enough as it is.
The rant is important to maintain sanity. The journey ends eventually and we comically look back and miss the drama.
I've had these internal struggles, questioned in my head coaches decisions, etc. You have to remember coaches are human, they have biases and favorites just like everyone else, they see things their way, and it can't be put to my idea of what's right or wrong. It's not ever purely based on stats or performance, because emotions are too strong. They will never see your son like you do, or as many times as you do, or seen all the great games that make up for the bad ones, or the "does as well as anyone else does" game, etc.
My son has been treated poorly and gaslighted by coaches at every level, and then others have thought he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the thing I try to remember is that although he is human too and can get emotional and upset, as can I, he loves the grind and will not quit.
If someone can think he's not good enough for them, then obviously he can't be the next coming of Pedro Martinez, so when someone says he's not good enough, he just goes to work, at some levels he's got almost no playing time, then somehow he goes to the next level and gets more, and the reason is, he just works and gets better. He really does think, okay, maybe I'm not good enough for them,,,, yet.
The deal is, he has other things in his life that matter to him, and usually those things brought him to where he is, so he doesn't just jump ship for greener pastures. Rarely is a setback the end of the world to him. You play the cards you're dealt.
I reserve the right (in my head) to call coaches every name in the book, tell myself they just have to be stupid, etc. But he cannot, if he wants to put a chip on his shoulder to motivate himself, that's his option, but it can't go anywhere but as fuel, it has to burn up or how he feels about the game and himself will be ruined. My job is purely to support him and give him the opportunity to get better as long as he wants, without running away.
@HSDad22 posted:If someone can think he's not good enough for them, then obviously he can't be the next coming of Pedro Martinez, so when someone says he's not good enough, he just goes to work, at some levels he's got almost no playing time, then somehow he goes to the next level and gets more, and the reason is, he just works and gets better. He really does think, okay, maybe I'm not good enough for them,,,, yet.
Even Pedro had Tommy Lasorda viewing him as being too small to be an effective MLB starter!
@HSDad22 posted:I've had these internal struggles, questioned in my head coaches decisions, etc. You have to remember coaches are human, they have biases and favorites just like everyone else, they see things their way, and it can't be put to my idea of what's right or wrong. It's not ever purely based on stats or performance, because emotions are too strong. They will never see your son like you do, or as many times as you do, or seen all the great games that make up for the bad ones, or the "does as well as anyone else does" game, etc.
My son has been treated poorly and gaslighted by coaches at every level, and then others have thought he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the thing I try to remember is that although he is human too and can get emotional and upset, as can I, he loves the grind and will not quit.
If someone can think he's not good enough for them, then obviously he can't be the next coming of Pedro Martinez, so when someone says he's not good enough, he just goes to work, at some levels he's got almost no playing time, then somehow he goes to the next level and gets more, and the reason is, he just works and gets better. He really does think, okay, maybe I'm not good enough for them,,,, yet.
The deal is, he has other things in his life that matter to him, and usually those things brought him to where he is, so he doesn't just jump ship for greener pastures. Rarely is a setback the end of the world to him. You play the cards you're dealt.
I reserve the right (in my head) to call coaches every name in the book, tell myself they just have to be stupid, etc. But he cannot, if he wants to put a chip on his shoulder to motivate himself, that's his option, but it can't go anywhere but as fuel, it has to burn up or how he feels about the game and himself will be ruined. My job is purely to support him and give him the opportunity to get better as long as he wants, without running away.
You only get one opportunity to make a first impression. Sometimes it’s all you get before the mold hardens. At least your son has the fortitude to keep plugging.
The important thing to know when getting angry at coaches because they don't seem to feel the same as we do about our players (and that should be discussed when time comes to make a decision), is that it's not that they don't care for your player but they see it as the player not being a good fit for their program. That's it in a nutshell. That's why I feel (as much as many may disagree) PG showcases are the best vehicle to get info and eyes out on the player. Also a well oiled travel ball team associated with a training center.
Also, decisions should not be made unless your son has been seen multiple times and developed a relationship with the programs staff (when allowed).
Unless your player is a top prospect stick with mid D1or JUCO program (within your state) with a good solid coaching staff and ask about DEVELOPMENT.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!
@TPM posted:..., is that it's not that they don't care for your player but they see it as the player not being a good fit for their program. That's it in a nutshell.
This is so true, and even more so at smaller schools... could have to do with talent but could also have nothing to do with talent. They may just not like something, and when you now have to cut down rosters even more, those non-baseball things get amplified in the decision making process.
Now kind of going back to the OP. I did really find it weird to put that much "interpretation" into what was going on in a Fall season, how much playing time you get during fall, in my experience, has zero to do with how much you may have a role on a team come spring. He got innings, maybe coach saw all he needed to. There are a lot of pitchers to see. Often the guys who get lots of fall innings are the guys on the fence, who he thinks should be better but just aren't showing it. this is not spring training and getting guys ready for the season, it's tryouts. Now if he bombed and was really bad and wasn't seen again, that's one thing. The only way he'll know what's going on is when he has his fall meeting before going home for break. If he hears something like, "are you sure you are happy here" or "are you getting along with your teammates" etc, that's when you think, maybe coach doesn't think I'm a good fit. And it would be good to talk about it right then.
@HSDad22 posted:This is so true, and even more so at smaller schools... could have to do with talent but could also have nothing to do with talent. They may just not like something, and when you now have to cut down rosters even more, those non-baseball things get amplified in the decision making process.
Now kind of going back to the OP. I did really find it weird to put that much "interpretation" into what was going on in a Fall season, how much playing time you get during fall, in my experience, has zero to do with how much you may have a role on a team come spring. He got innings, maybe coach saw all he needed to. There are a lot of pitchers to see. Often the guys who get lots of fall innings are the guys on the fence, who he thinks should be better but just aren't showing it. this is not spring training and getting guys ready for the season, it's tryouts. Now if he bombed and was really bad and wasn't seen again, that's one thing. The only way he'll know what's going on is when he has his fall meeting before going home for break. If he hears something like, "are you sure you are happy here" or "are you getting along with your teammates" etc, that's when you think, maybe coach doesn't think I'm a good fit. And it would be good to talk about it right then.
So true. My son's first fall meeting, coaches told him "you've been a pleasant surprise." Which I think said a lot about my son and his work ethic, and how well coaches knew (or didn't know) him.