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ALWAYS keep this in mind...

Is the "advice" you receive from the advisor/agent pertain more to YOUR interest or HIS?

Let's face it... almost every advisor makes his living being an agent. This is a business that involves the good, the bad and the extremely ugly.

You will run across some very good salesmen, be sure to check things out thoroughly. The good thing is you can change your mind and change advisors in a heart beat. If you do, though, some will try to black ball you and some just continue to go about their business.
Couple of things we found important.

I am not interested in meeting an advisor for the first time and hearing about how he is better than the next guy and can do more for me than XYZ agency.

An advisor should give you the pros and cons of going pro HS vs. college.

An advisor should be more interested in what you can do for the future, not just the $$ you will make at signing.

What can you do for me after you become my agent. What companies do you have relationships with for my equipment or card deals.

What relationships do you have with teams. What team do you feel that is interested in me that may be in my best interest to sign with.

Are you recognized as an agent to do business with MLB?

Will you educate me on signing bonus' for each round.

Are you educated on all the changes that occur and do you speak regularly to union representatives regarding interpretations of rules.

How much do you want from me if you become my agent. Will you take a percentage of the whole bonus or just extra that is negotiated?

Have you been through arbitration?

Will you not speak on my behalf so that I do not lose my eligibility, but educate me on the process as to what to say and questions to ask scouts.

Who do your clients include? Why are you interested in me as a possible client?
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An advisor should give you the pros and cons of going pro HS vs. college.


TPM, since we have never had an advisor or an agent, but strongly feel they are necessary if your son is in a position where he is an attractive client, I will provide some additional thoughts and perhaps a bit of a different view on the one subject listed above.
Personally, I would not want an advisor to provide the pros and cons of professional vs college. Most of us know what were are getting in college, or at least we should know if the research was done. No matter what, every advisor is going to bring some element of bias to this and that bias is likely to sign as that is how they make money. I just don't think a family/player needs the advisor's recommendations on what to do.
What most of us don't know is professional baseball and the business side, and there is a lot to know and learn. I would want an advisor to help to fully understand the game of professional baseball and business of professional baseball so the player and family can then balance the pros/cons of college and professional ball and make a decision.
Things I would be looking for from an advisor, in addition to those you have included:
1.) Explain the MLB college scholarship program;
2.) How do you see the 8/15 mandatory signing date affecting signing bonuses/slot money compared to past years and why;
3.) Should the 8/15 date change the way the player/family should approach the draft;
4.) What benefits are provided to minor leaguers;
5.) Help me understand what life is like in the minor leagues--differences between Rookie ball/short season vs AZL/GCL; is development different in professional ball than college and how is it different?
6.) Can an invitation to Fall instructionals be included in the negotiations; how important is it for a player to participate in Fall instrux?
7.) How long is the contract that players sign and what are my rights under that contract?
8.) Are there organizations that are better/worse for development/investment in their minor leaguers, especially for the position I play? Can you provide specifics?
9.) What benefits are available to minor leaguers?
10) In minor league ball, where do I live, who arranges it, who pays for it, what will my days be like?
11.) Do you provide off season conditioning recommendations and do you have baseball specific trainers you can recommend?
12.) What if I don't perform well in Milb? Can I change my mind and go back to college?
13.) What if I don't perform well in Milb my first year? What can I expect? Will I sit on the bench?
While I have others, these are some that I would include if I were the parent of a high school senior talking and evaluating advisors. I know most of us want to assume everything will go well whether our son goes to college or signs. I think it is very important to realize that isn't always true as players make this step. College ball provides a support mechanism to make that adjustment that is different than minor league ball.
They both can work but they are much different. It is the difference in Milb that I would want a good advisor to help my high school senior and our family understand.l
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Thank you infielddad for providing more info!

Another one is the new implications of the rule 5 draft (did I get that right, extending it one more year). This is going ot make an impact on decisions. JMO.

As far as the 8/15 signing date, for college coaches it still makes no difference, a week or two. For some stuck in the negotiation process it will have an impact.

As far as advice on going pro out of HS vs college, you make a good points. However, do know that there are many agents that won't even represent anyone unless they go to college first. It's important to understand their philososphy and where they stand. But that's just my opinion.

And last but not least, you are correct, it is a business and you would want someone to give advice that is very familiar with that side of baseball! Smile
I dont think a high school player needs a advisor if he intends to go to college.
An advisor trys to get the player in the best position for the draft and signing bonus. He will advise you to get your "ducks in a row" with college and /or jr college if that will give you leverage with MLB. I dont think he is bias, that is his job.
If your going pro agents make the process a great deal easier
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Lets turn this a bit and look at this from the selfish family side because the bottom line it is about you.

Is it correct to say that for the most part advisors are in it for themselves, it is their business.

If so, and they are using the situation, why not use the situation yourself as a learning tool. Where else can you get something for nothing. The knowledge you learn now is knowledge you will not need a couple years from now. You can NEVER have too much knowledge.

The advisor is a non-binding agreement. He is there to smooze you and whether he gets you now or later is irrelivent. He will take a chance on a future signing, it is a risk-reward business.

If you find the "right" guy you save yourself time down the road looking for one. If he is not Mr Right, you will have a better feel for them when you do need one.

I think there are many advisors out there that know their stuff and would be more than willing to take you along on the ride.

#1- Be honest let him know that you are most likely school bound and doing some advisor window shopping.

#2- Be honest and tell him that you are hear to understand the game and it to his benifet to to show you a quality product as you never know where the relationship may end up.

#3- This potentionally may be the most important contact your son will ever have. Why in the world would you bypass a "no cost" opportunity.

Advisors/Agents many time fall in the same catagories as some sleezy lawyers the important thing is that he works for you and you always have to keep that in mind. If you can keep that in mind I think that it could be a very positive opportunity.
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Infield dad, TPM and RZ1 great posts, I will add that you should take these questions and find your own answers. I found that the more informed I was, the more beneficial my relationship with an advisor was. This is a negotiation. I have found that the more information you have the better you can deal from a position of strength. Be willing to listen and learn. Don't rely on a stranger to inform you about one of the most important decisions in your young child's life. Advisors are a tool use them. They work for you and your son.

NJBB-having an advisor if your son intends to go to college is not a bad idea. Be honest with the advisor, most often they will want to build a relationship over time. Further they can be helpful with regard to trainers, doctors and summer leagues. They are the insiders, and it never hurts to have a source of information that most parents are not privy to.
Let me start by saying I have several friends who are in that business. There are others I wouldn't even talk to.

rz1,

Your point makes a lot of sense, but still beware. There are many war stories that have come out of what was perceived free advice. There have been several cases of "FORMER" agent/advisor becoming a big problem and a hurdle for players. Well placed gossip can be very dangerous and harmful. There is black balling going on behind the scenes to some very important people at times. Rumors can really hurt!

To me the #1 ingredient in a good agent/advisor is honesty! Make sure you find one you can trust. It's hard, they all sound so good, but it's worth all the extra effort in doing as much research as possible.

There are some real good ones out there!

Please understand, this is important information! There is no benefit to us in what I'm writing here. In fact, it might even p-iss a few people off who might try to black ball us. But that's OK if someone gets something out of this and can keep from getting hurt.
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Advisors/Agents many time fall in the same catagories as some sleezy lawyers the important thing is that he works for you and you always have to keep that in mind.

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rz1, since I am one of those "lawyers" angel/ / / / / crazy , but hopefully not the type referred to, I can vouch for the difficulty for a lay person to tell which is which. I honestly don't think anyone benefits from the "sleazy" type of "assistance" except the one "providing" the assistance. This truly is a buyer beware industry.
I watched a program a few weeks back about an agent that the NFLPA endorsed to its members and how that person became rich while apparently misusing the funds of his clients. If the NFLPA cannot screen, it is even harder for any one of us.
Having pursued trying to find an agent for my son, I can also vouch that they aren't interested unless there is something in it for them . I understand that and know it is "business."
As a result, I am a lot more studied on professional baseball than I ever imagined. The more I research, the more I realize how much there is to know to be a good, informed advisor or agent. If a high school senior and his family are trying to get enough information to determine whether college or professional baseball is the right choice at that point, there is a lot of information to gather. If the player/family already knows which way they are headed, I think what you gain from pursing the other option is the leverage with either the college or professional teams interested.
A relatively concise "how to do it" seems like it should exist... and doesn't. Something that folks like us could use to know the questions to ask and the best/most accurate answers would certainly be useful and have a very broad audience.
I have a feeling there are reasons the "consumer" really has to work to find the reliable information.
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So true PG!

This is potentially a life changing decision and should be treated as such. I remember before the 2003 draft, we set aside Sat mornings between 8-12 for advisor phone day. We took this time to talk to them, assess their backround, POA, talk generalities, current clients, and generally put them in the chair. While Ryan had potential he was not a well known commodity and HIS near term plans included college. The people we were talking to were from well known agencies and once they accepted the fact that Ryan wanted to go to school and was committed to his NLI the phone calls slowed down and his draft status dropped like a rock. We had no problem with that, like PG says honesty is a needed necessity. We were completely up front, and they were doing their job selling their product. In the end they had a potential client down the road and we learned the ins and outs of advisor relationships, and what to look for when it was needed. Win/Win for all concerned.
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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
I understood that a college bound player cannot have an agent?


You are correct, but a college bound student can be advised by an advisor/agent and cannot sign any agreement with the advisor because he is really an agent (you get that Eek) and he will lose all eligibility.
Shep,

I really wish you wouldn't use me as some kind of endorsement.

The truth is...

I am aware of your group and of you. I am not aware of the stellar track record with many big names.

Anyone other than the family doing the negotiating can lead to eligibilty problems.

Staying with the truth... I have nothing negative to say about this firm. Just haven't had any first hand experience with them. They could very well be one of the best for all I know.

Shep is a good scout!
Baseball America just published an interesting, and thought provoking, article on Matt Harrington.
The article fits in this thread(the importance of good advice) but also in many others. The final comments by his Independent League coach on the fact he will get 4-6 weeks to prove himself next Spring as opposed to 4-5 years had he signed several years ago pretty much tells it straight. The lack of a signing bonus, what he has walked away from, and how things changed over the years are all pretty sobering. While there is, I am sure, a lot more to this story, it is pretty poignant using this as a snapshot in time.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/news/262616.html
Shep,

No big deal, I just wanted to make sure there is no confusion.

I'm not into "ringing endorsements" and I doubt I have the impact to make one.

Where have I seen you and Mr Zucker, this year, other than the Aflac Classic in San Diego? Were you guys in Jupiter last week?

I'm glad you understand our position of not wanting to align with any one group or agent.

Jim McMahon is a great person to have endorsing your group. How does one go about "just giving Jim McMahon a call"? Smile

Anyway, best of luck to you and Zucker Sports Management. I hope things work out well for you. I really mean that!
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We believe in giving the "Player with a Dream" the opportunity to solidify a financially secure future and comfortable retirement.



Shep, I am in for all of that...but I have no talent. Eek Or if I had it, I forgot where I put it.
Does that mean I don't need to call? Confused
Seriously, though Shep, in reading the site, it seems the representation is more focused on those who are in professional baseball rather than those trying to get there, or those in the first 1-2 rounds rather than later.
If a player is in that tweener range, 7th-15th round of the draft, where do those players find representation/advise? How do would you suggest they go about finding that assistance?
c'mon Shep, pony up Mac's # for a few more guysWink

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by fungo: but not as an authority on who I should select as an agent or an advisor.
I'd think a hi profile guy who had been handled right & happy with his agent relationship from the get-go would be a great reference Smile

imo

ps - there's only room for ONE Raybans spokesman Wink


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Going into my son's SR. HS season, we were in contact with an "advisor" that I had full trust in and led my son to believe that what the 'advisor" said was the way that it was. Son was selected in 20th round. Long story short.....

son signed out of HS, kept "advisor"/agent(now) for first year of minor league ball and then(cuz, Dad was not involved in Minor league game environment?) made up his own mind to select an AGENT that HE(son) felt would represent his(son's) best interests.

Part of this decision process included "selecting" from the top agencies representing MLB players.... I have the folder that the "B" agent representative prepared for my son... they are playing the odds", hoping to get as many "possibles" signed each year as they can.

infielddad,

The agent/scouts are all over the minor league spring training sites hoping to score... "nothing ventured nothing gained" is a a fair phrase to attach to agents at this level. They will gladly provide gloves,shoes etc. to glom onto a player long enough to see if he is the one to get to the next level. If a player is a "player", they will have plenty of folks wishing to get them signed on the dotted line.

Just my 2 cents!
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personal snipes against reputable pro athletes such as Jim McMahon


Shep, I don't think what I said would qualify as a snipe at Jim McMahon. I simply expressed MY opinion what I though my Mr. McMahon’s would be more suited to endorse. I do know there are people that take snipes at Mr. McMahon. Seems as if ESPN’s Paul Katcher hammered him pretty hard when he wrote about the famous “Super Bowl shuffle”:

Notes: McMahon should've thrown in a line about being along for the ride. A pedestrian pro quarterback, McMahon made his only Pro Bowl team in 1985 with 15 TDs, 11 INTs and a QB rating of 82.6. McMahon wasn't even the best passer on the team. That goes to Payton, who was 3-for-5 with a touchdown, 19.2 yards per attempt and a 143.8 rating. His sunglasses looked good, though!

In my opinion pro athletes and entertainers are what they are which that alone gives them no special knowledge about the “products” they are endorsing. However this is commercialized American and I understand that’s is how it’s done. Using them as spokesmen to hawk products doesn’t impress me, actually it tends to offend me (but that’s just me). Pat Boone (in a pre-recorded message) called me yesterday and was explaining to me that as a senior citizen I needed to vote a particular way. Why should Pat Boone be an expert on how I should vote? I hung up on him. ----- Personally I think the endorsement by Roger Staubach would have carried more clout! Big Grin
Fungo
wishing Shepster the best in his new direction (dos) and opportunities



and on a sad note -
I'm devastated to learn that OUR "former ... highly regarded & beloved old timer"
hung up on 50's R&B singing/recording icon and direct decendant of frontiersman/statesman, Daniel Boone
(even if pre-recorded!)(*corrected)


how de we petition to get his "tag line" changed??



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Bee, You're gettin' your frontiersmen, bears and music "all shook up". It was Davy Crockett (in the song) that killed him a bear when he was only three.

You may be thinking of the words that Daniel Boone carved into a tree in present Washington County, Tennessee which reads "D. Boon Cilled a Bar on tree in the year 1760". There is also one in the Filson Historical Society in Louisville, Kentucky, which reads "D. Boon Kilt a Bar, 1803." However, because Boone always spelled his name with the final "e", these particular inscriptions may be forgeries, part of a long tradition of phony Boone relics. As to the relationship between Daniel and Pat --- You may be right. Big Grin Big Grin

My tag should be changed to: Fungo kilt a lie on this website in 2006! Wink

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