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Getting in the slot

S swingbuster1,000+ posts
Look at Glaus at frame 8 through 16. The hand action and load is perfect. Through those 8 frames you see the bottom hand work under the top, the lead elbow point nearly down, the appearance of the rear elbow and the hands hidden. When his hands turn over, the barrel with arc not go straight line. The time delay will increase the x angle.



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T Teacherman500+ posts
If he's not a bug guy then why do the ads show the players turning/pivoting the rear foot, then swinging.

I still can't see the movement you're talking about. I guess you talking about tipping the bat head toward the pitcher?

I don't disagree with that. But, is that really what's giving you what you're getting?

Do you have the cause and effect right?
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S swingbuster1,000+ posts
Teacherman...the knee is a hinge( back and forth). When the hips are rotated then you see the knee go parallel as a result( hinging). Emanski turns the hips and leaves the hands back and then hits. He is teaching hip /shoulder separation. His bat slot position he teaches will get the separation naturally later in his tapes and lessons

As for as cause and effect, you know who teaches scap load. If you have the correct arm and hands action then scap load is more natural. It is something I cannot force. When the bottom hand works under the top and the rear elbow elevates then the shoulder unit rotates more vertically then flattens...the scaps load if you want to call it that but not something that I can teach by itself
T Teacherman500+ posts
That sounds mechanical and slow. And that is not what is in his commercials. There is a distinct bug squish looking move, I guess this is the hip turn you talk about, then it stops, then they swing. All for what? Separation? There is little separation in a swing other than what is preset. Are you saying you can create separation during the swing? I don't believe there is time for that. If your hip turn is taking out slack, you're toast.
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S swingbuster1,000+ posts
It is mechanical as are most teaching drills but as far as Batspeed not slow relative to the effort applied. The commercial ie 30 seconds ; the tape explaining it is an hour and you need to watch any tape three times

The hip turn doesn't take out slack in a good swing ...totally agree. The upper body loading sequence takes it out as the hips rotate into toe touch...good point. Slack comes out from the top half and the failure to do this and the complete lack of knowledge about how to do this this limits most players. When the swing is right hip turn moves barrel. High level swings have dynamic stretch and separation and all others are just turning together.


Go on to frame 19 then 20. See the bat blur at those frames. See the hips open at heel drop and the knob to oppo box. You can go to Bonds at similar point and see same. This separation as a measurement of hip line vs bat barrel line is a big angle and a characteristic of the MLB swing. It preceeds angular displacement of the barrel. You do not see this at the local park much where they are pulling the knob to the pitcher.

The Correct fence drill

Back up to a fence and put your back foot parallel to the base of the chain link and face away. Have someone soft toss you and hit. If you bat doesn't hit the fence behind you then you had the bat in the correct slot and you did not squish the bug.

People used to drive acroos the State of Fl to see his 11 year olds take BP. He works posture/spine angle... upper body launch position and hip drive just in a differnt way with some different terms

Separation during the swing....no...to try to teach that or hips go first is futile. Where Tom Guerry is correct is that the upper body move to the correct bat slot creates the separation when you just think swing. Do you think separation when you pitch or just throw...does it happen yes...why...because the hands go back as the hips rotate open.

If you shoulders are in the same plane as the hips they will all come together and you will hit only as hard as you turn. If the shoulders/bat is out of plane then you hit and the upper body resistance caused by the out of plane shoulder cause a degree of separation. Now if the bat tip is going counter to the hip turn when the cycles overlap then there is greater separation because of bat inertia and the weight of the bat going opposite.

The swing happens like you say..all at once. The hands are going back and the hips opening. You are correct. You must develop swing mechanics that are see it and hit it but with the above happening...thats the ultimate goal IMHO
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CoachB25CoachB25Honorary "Old TImer"
Blue Dog and Teacherman, I'm not a bug squishier either. However, for some "breakdown drills" you have to get some kids to that point before you can have them get the concept of dragging their toe (Not blocking their back leg). We do a "dry swing drill" where we have kids squish for a couple of swings. These would be the kids that you see "fighting their back legs." Then, after that, we have them "squish then rotate onto the back toe." We tell them to draw a short line in the dirt. Now, again, this is somewhat of an overemphasis but sometimes necessary. Then, you have to apply the use of a ball and then live arm. Some kids just can't make the transition to this point without some breakdown such as this. Granted, I understand your concerns about the 1-2-3 drill of Emanski. However, the intended outcome will be there. Perhaps one pitching example would help. In softball when you are teaching a pitcher to explode at the hitter, you have the pitcher start approximately 45 feet and walk briskly at the catcher. When the pitcher gets to the 40 foot area, they plant and throw with momentum continuing at the catcher. It is an over emphasis.
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T Teacherman500+ posts
I don't believe the "squish the bug" is correct teaching whether it is a drill or for a real swing.

You will never effectively teach a kid to get on his toe by having him squish. You can't squish without pushing that foot against the ground and pivoting the foot. That movement does not exist in the baseball swing.

If you want to see a hitter get to his toe easily, teach him to swing from his center. I can't stop my foot from going to the toe when I swing from the center.

Get away from the legs and you'll learn to rotate and the foot will do it's thing.

Try this. Start your swing by pushing from the ground. Either foot, both feet, however you want to do it. Now start your swing from the center. There is a noticable time difference in the length of the swing. The one from the center is shorter and quicker.
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CoachB25CoachB25Honorary "Old TImer"
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Originally posted by BlueDog:
"Blue Dog and Teacherman, I'm not a bug squisher either. However,......"

CoachB25, I love it when someone says they don't do something, then use the word BUT, or HOWEVER, after saying it....... kidding


I understand. I think the same as well. HOWEVER, ... clap I keep typing responses and deleting them. Mud Wrestling!
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CoachB25CoachB25Honorary "Old TImer"
quote:
Originally posted by Coach Labeots:
B25,

Could you post your "Hitters Check List"? Or have you posted that already somewhere? We all could benefit from something like that.


I'd hate to mess up everyone's players. Obviously, what we do doesn't work. We will put 9 messed up guys out there again this year. LOL!
F FlippJ1,000+ posts
Looking at the first Glauss swing the first 8-10 frames are meaningless. The movements in those frames might be his way of timing the pitch, but IMO they do nothing to help the core of the swing. The next 7-8 frames Glauss sets up the base to unload his swing from. I believe this is what N-y-m-a-n (S-E-T-P-R-O) would call the "sit" portion of the swing. This is also where separation between the hips and the shoulders is established.

From that point on, about frame 17 or 18, Glauss is doing nothing but unloading. IMO this is the core of the swing. He is rotating into the ball as a unit. Teach a player how to unload (i.e. rotate) and he/she has a chance at maximizing his/her potential.

Jason
T Teacherman500+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by CoachB25:
I'd hate to mess up everyone's players. Obviously, what we do doesn't work. We will put 9 messed up guys out there again this year. LOL!


Bob, weave, serpentine.

Talk about someone who can't take critcism. He goes off to the corner and sucks his thumb whenever the facts don't go his way.

I mean, after all, look at all his trophies. He has to know what he's doing. Right?
CoachB25CoachB25Honorary "Old TImer"
quote:
Originally posted by Teacherman:
quote:
Originally posted by CoachB25:
I'd hate to mess up everyone's players. Obviously, what we do doesn't work. We will put 9 messed up guys out there again this year. LOL!


Bob, weave, serpentine.


Talk about someone who can't take critcism. He goes off to the corner and sucks his thumb whenever the facts don't go his way.

I mean, after all, look at all his trophies. He has to know what he's doing. Right?


Now when I show up for some of that Pizza, you're going to cut me a discount aren't you?
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T Teacherman500+ posts
If he knows anything he should be able to present it, defend it, debate it with passion.

Curious that he won't.

What he will do is recruit his good ole boys with his play for sympathy.

Either learn to debate or leave the forum.

State your opinion back it up with fact.

Video works much better for me than trophies.

Especially trophies that really aren't his or are meaningless.

This is a typical facade for someone who lives in an area that has great talent and therefore he looks like he knows something.

I will give him credit for scurrying and doing his best to learn something.

Just don't act like the accolades you got came from your hard work.

When in fact it's getting done somewhere else and you're getting the benefit of it.
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CoachB25CoachB25Honorary "Old TImer"
Teacherman, you crack me up. I welcome any posters to check me out any way possible. Contact and coach in the area or for that matter upstate that plays us. Research articles in the Alton Telegraph or the Edwardsville Intelligener Newspapers. Read my profile and see that I state everything plainly. I was, in fact the hitting coach and the only hitting coach. Numerous posters can attest to the success of those teams including the 98 team and their ability to hit.

Now, Teacherman,
1. You know more than anyone on this site in general about the game of baseball.
2. You can coach outfielders with "your system" in 30 minutes and they will never make another mistake.
3. You one stated that you could come over to my school and out-throw my D-1 recruit catcher despite your ripe old age of 50. In fact, you said you wouldn't even stand up. Your arm and technique was so superior that my kid wouldn't stand a chance. I offered for you to do it but...
4. You stated you coached a National Champion Team and yet, you won't say what team it was.
5. You stated that you can outcoach your child's basketball coach and that that coach doesn't know anything about feeding the post etc.
6. You stated that you "interview" coaches for where your son was going to play and you couldn't find one college coach that knew anything about hitting.
7. You've stated that the pro hitting coaches know very litte about what they do.
8. You stated that the only way most high school coaches win is that they get the talent and the kids do all of the work themselves.

I just have to ask, Do you use Charmin or does your "stuff" smell so sweet that you just let it sit there like air freshner?

For the millionth time, come on over. Or, send me a pm for where you are. Heck, step up I'll post my email address.

Darrell Butler
dbutler@triad.madison.k12.il.us
Triad Baseball
Go Knights!
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