Playersmom,
If the HS coach is as bad as the poster says, I doubt if he would notice any minor changes in the swing.
Doughnutman
So whose advice would you have your son follow?; the HS coach, or the coach at the college where your son would be going the following year?
So whose advice would you have your son follow?; the HS coach, or the coach at the college where your son would be going the following year?
Come on TR, you're not giving up now are you?
Nothing is over until we decide it's over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? **** no!
Nothing is over until we decide it's over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? **** no!
Several comments
coachbyrd - you have got some great advice from trojan skipper and the zeus person. The only thing I can add is if there is something you want to teach the head coach is not knowledgeable in then approach him in private. Never disagree with him - even in minor stuff - in front of the team. You never want to show the high school players there is dissension even if it's not there.
I was brand new at a school and didn't know a soul and was named asst. football coach. After about a year of coaching with these two guys in football I was really impressed with their knowledge of the game and how they taught it. Found out neither had played in high school. They picked up everything over the years just by coaching.
Give him your help, help him learn and everyone will benefit.
TW - guy from West Virginia - I doubt any other state is different or even better than what WV does. There might be some differences - like the AD and / or principal has sole authority on hiring but overall coaches are few and far between at the high school level. So you get what you get.
coachbyrd - you have got some great advice from trojan skipper and the zeus person. The only thing I can add is if there is something you want to teach the head coach is not knowledgeable in then approach him in private. Never disagree with him - even in minor stuff - in front of the team. You never want to show the high school players there is dissension even if it's not there.
I was brand new at a school and didn't know a soul and was named asst. football coach. After about a year of coaching with these two guys in football I was really impressed with their knowledge of the game and how they taught it. Found out neither had played in high school. They picked up everything over the years just by coaching.
Give him your help, help him learn and everyone will benefit.
TW - guy from West Virginia - I doubt any other state is different or even better than what WV does. There might be some differences - like the AD and / or principal has sole authority on hiring but overall coaches are few and far between at the high school level. So you get what you get.
quote:Originally posted by playersmom:
Doughnutman
So whose advice would you have your son follow?; the HS coach, or the coach at the college where your son would be going the following year?
I would have the son follow the college coach's advice, while simply explaining to the high school coach that this is an adjustment his school wanted him to make, and he would like to get used to it before he attends there
happens all the time ... just nod & smile, he'll move on to the next guyquote:if a kid goes to a camp at the college he committed to, and makes some minor adjustments to his swing as recommended at that camp, what does the kid do when HS coach (who never played HS ball)tells him that what he is doing now is incorrect
Many times the head coach does not know anything when johnny is sitting on the bench.
quote:Originally posted by coachbyrd:
I was brought to this school to be the offensive coordinator for the football team...In addition to that I am helping with the baseball team which is fine because I love the game and helped coach it the last 6 years at my old school..I also pitched for four years in college......the head baseball coach did not even play baseball in high school..he coached at some school for three years before and won 4 games total...our school is more of a football school but i hate to lose and i hate to see kids taught something that is not right..im not saying i know everything but i am going to struggle working with this guy...how do you coach high school ball and not know what a pick off is
I have found this to be common throughout son's baseball career. Many HC's are figureheads for the team, allowing their assistants to run the show. In HS, my son's volunteer assistant was much more savy in the game than coach. Also, the best coach my son ever played for was never paid to coach the game, he was just a parent who ran a good program with good assistants. He told us that he would have coached in HS, but did not hold the necessary degree.
Here where we live it's about the same for many schools, the paid employee gets the first crack at the job, regardless. Many principals want their coaches to have teaching degrees, that's just the way it is. My son's HS coach was a teacher first, coach second. I am assuming for most college programs, the HC must have his degree, that doesn't mean he knows everything about BB.
If you do know more than the HC, that's a good thing for the program, in that you can help out and teach him a few things at the same time. Obvioulsy BB is not a priority for the school, but might be someday if they see some success.
Coachbyrd,
It sounds as though you are in a sticky situation and one that I have fortunately never had to deal with. I would simply ask you to think about what your goals are. Are you wanting to run the baseball program or are you O.K. with being the assistant but are concerned? If you want to assist, then do just that, you will be a great asset to the program and the H.C. may have strong organizational and fundraising skills that can greatly improve the program. The key to any successful program is placing coaches in areas of strength and using those. Maybe this coach is great at setting things up and directing and letting his assistants do the day to day operations. While not ideal, this can work. If your goal is to run the program because you fear it is in jeopardy, make every effort to coach your butt off and see things improve, it will be noticed. If the coach is struggling, he will know it and will ask out or for help. Then you discuss your role with him and the A.D. You two may want to switch roles and it may be mutual. I simply try to follow one model...coach as hard as I can and help as many people as possible while supporting my head coach all the way. If you do that, things usually take care of themselves. As I said, though, I am lucky I have never had to deal with this issue.
It sounds as though you are in a sticky situation and one that I have fortunately never had to deal with. I would simply ask you to think about what your goals are. Are you wanting to run the baseball program or are you O.K. with being the assistant but are concerned? If you want to assist, then do just that, you will be a great asset to the program and the H.C. may have strong organizational and fundraising skills that can greatly improve the program. The key to any successful program is placing coaches in areas of strength and using those. Maybe this coach is great at setting things up and directing and letting his assistants do the day to day operations. While not ideal, this can work. If your goal is to run the program because you fear it is in jeopardy, make every effort to coach your butt off and see things improve, it will be noticed. If the coach is struggling, he will know it and will ask out or for help. Then you discuss your role with him and the A.D. You two may want to switch roles and it may be mutual. I simply try to follow one model...coach as hard as I can and help as many people as possible while supporting my head coach all the way. If you do that, things usually take care of themselves. As I said, though, I am lucky I have never had to deal with this issue.
BOF,
Funny stuff, but what do elderberries smell like anyways? And no disrespect meant or implied to our elder, TR!quote:If I wanted to offend you I would have posted something like “ Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry”
I was personally in this same situation about 8 years ago. However, I was volunteering my time. I have played 4 years of college baseball and came to a program where the head coach had never played. Practices were very unstructured. I talked the head coach into letting me have the infielders for a half hour one night at practice. So the head coach tells the kids that the infielders were going with me while the outfielders hit in the cage. One of the outfielders says "can't we hit on the field to see how far they're going?" So head coach says "alright, get the screen, we'll hit on the field." That was the last practice I attended for the year. The head coach was asked to resign after the season and I was hired the next year.
quote:Originally posted by redstormdad:
BOF,Funny stuff, but what do elderberries smell like anyways? And no disrespect meant or implied to our elder, TR!quote:If I wanted to offend you I would have posted something like “ Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry”
Never smelt one acutually. I am sure TR is a Puritan......he has the haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
Wow
Nice thread.
Gave me good insight as to what the community thinks.
I am one of those coaches everyone is so fond of. I didn't play in High School. I got the job because I taught in the building. The local Little League Allstar parents aren't happy that I am the Head Coach.
This will be my second year at the "helm". I have good assistants and I learn every day. I'm not afraid to ask for help, nor am I afraid to admit that I don't know it all. I study, I learn, and then I coach.
I took the job because I care and I want to make a difference in these boy's lives. It is all about them.
As I look back on some things, the assistant job was so much easier. As an assistant, you can coach, work more on an individual basis, and really take care of the kids. Be happy that you have a figure head to take the heat from parents, school officials, and do all the fundraising, media, scheduling, promoting, organizing, maintenance, ordering or equipment and uniforms, fending off parents, and dealing with umpires who know less than you do and argue about the rule even when you show it to them.
Nice thread.
Gave me good insight as to what the community thinks.
I am one of those coaches everyone is so fond of. I didn't play in High School. I got the job because I taught in the building. The local Little League Allstar parents aren't happy that I am the Head Coach.
This will be my second year at the "helm". I have good assistants and I learn every day. I'm not afraid to ask for help, nor am I afraid to admit that I don't know it all. I study, I learn, and then I coach.
I took the job because I care and I want to make a difference in these boy's lives. It is all about them.
As I look back on some things, the assistant job was so much easier. As an assistant, you can coach, work more on an individual basis, and really take care of the kids. Be happy that you have a figure head to take the heat from parents, school officials, and do all the fundraising, media, scheduling, promoting, organizing, maintenance, ordering or equipment and uniforms, fending off parents, and dealing with umpires who know less than you do and argue about the rule even when you show it to them.
MVHS, Welcome to the HSBBW.
I think you need to think about a Player/Parent contract.
Don't lump all LL parent's in a Bunch.
Find the loudest one and set him/her straight right away.
As Early as possible, Before there Freshman year of baseball if possible.
You will benefit the Player and the Parent in the long run??
EH
I think you need to think about a Player/Parent contract.
Don't lump all LL parent's in a Bunch.
Find the loudest one and set him/her straight right away.
As Early as possible, Before there Freshman year of baseball if possible.
You will benefit the Player and the Parent in the long run??
EH
