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Ok here we go.... son did very well this past summer, played for a great travel team, went to big events and had fun. He’s a 2019 and finally hit the elusive 90mph mark and above. Many local jucos startec showing interest through the travel team and began contacting him, about 7 that wanted him to visit. So we began the visits, one coach really liked him and he asked about his grades and said he wanted to talk to his HS coach. No big deal we thought....Juco coach calls him back a few day later and says that after meeting my son and because of how well he knew the travel coach he was going to offer him a full ride, but he said your HS coach said really bad things abou you,, not a leader, can’t be counted on, lazy. We were shocked and I was PISSED, the coach NEVER spoke to my son about any of this negative stuff, he was the #2 pitcher his junior year and did well. He has 3.3 gpa and scored a 26 ACT. Talked to the coach who was very smug and said that was his opinion, I couldn’t believe it, never interacted with him, did a lot of extra work on fund raising and snack bar duty, and this guy almost cost us $11000 scholarship. Next step is district athletic director, we now only use the assistant baseball coach as reference and travel coach. What do you guys think? The few people I’ve told have never heard of this from a coach before unless the kid was a hug disciplinary problem. 

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If a college coach told me he’s contacting my high school I would tell the high school coach. I could tell by the conversation what to expect and plan on any potential damage control. 

I’m sure you’ve heard in this site to control what you can. While you can’t control exactly what the high school coach says you can be better prepared to control the aftermath. 

Had your son addressed his coach, told him this college is where he wants to play and please emphasize the positives the interaction between coaches might have gone differently. 

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After my sons graduation, my wife and I had to swallow and leave behind a good deal of disgust with the High School Head Coach.

 

If it’s the fact that the guy almost cost your son a scholarship and your son is going to take that school up on their offer, as the song goes, “Let it Go.”  Bigger and brighter things are on the horizon and all the High School accolades and drama don’t mean squat once he’s graduated.

I'm not often on a the side of parents in argument with HS coaches (most of the time the parents are wrong - your kid is probably not sitting because the other parents are more influential) but in this case i hate what the coach did. 

A coach should stand in for his kids and help them play at the next level, i mean he has zero disadvantage if a player plays college ball.

I mean maybe there even is some truth to his assessment (i don't know) but even then i would expect him to sugarcoat it a little, he isn't owing the college anything.

If the coach had a problem with the kid then it should have been discussed with the kid previously. This was not the correct timing to decide and announce he had issues with the kid. 

I am glad it didn’t hurt the kids scholarship. All the coach accomplished was creating a conflict with one of his top pitchers, who I am sure will not want to battle it out for his coach now. Lose/ lose situation and no upside for coach or player. 

Tell your son to continue to work and play hard for his teammates. Control the things you can control, work through the next few months and move on to bigger things. 

I would use it as a learning opportunity.  Be honest with yourselves, is there a little bit of truth behind what the coach said, even if to a lesser degree?  If your coach thought your son was a leader of the team, coach would have been in contact with him the past several weeks to run the offseason workouts, reach out to the potential players to make sure they attend coach's offseason team meeting, have been named captain, etc. 

If there is some truth to the coach's words, or he hasn't been asked to lead these activities, I would sit down with my son and say "You can have all the baseball skill in the world, but being a leader, a good person, means so much more."  Unless there's some unknown vendetta, the coach probably has some examples why he thinks that way. 

Also, why run to the AD, to complain you received a bad recommendation?  What is the outcome you're looking for?  I can tell you of countless HS teammates of my son who went to our AD to complain about playing time, coach attitude, etc.  Nothing will come of it.  Ignoring the head coach, rather than trying to repair the situation may also not be the best thing to do.

If you address the situation properly, both with your son and the coach, you may find this is the best thing that happened to your son.

99% of the time I'm on the side of the coach but this is probably that 1% because there is no reason for this to happen.  A high school coach has to be honest with the college coach or he loses credibility - even if it's negative.  But the college coach has done his homework and talked to several people about your son.  He has a picture of who he is to be willing to take a chance on and this one negative report won't hold him back.  Your son may want to talk with the high school coach to clear the air and find out why he said what he said.

coach2709 posted:

99% of the time I'm on the side of the coach but this is probably that 1% because there is no reason for this to happen.  A high school coach has to be honest with the college coach or he loses credibility - even if it's negative.  But the college coach has done his homework and talked to several people about your son.  He has a picture of who he is to be willing to take a chance on and this one negative report won't hold him back.  Your son may want to talk with the high school coach to clear the air and find out why he said what he said.

This exactly.  Same thing with summer coaches.  They have to be thinking about the future kids.  If they "lie/fib" about a kids skills/attitude, then the next time that college coach is going to look elsewhere.  

Once you find a good car salesman and real estate agent, they are good to keep.

Show me one person in this world who doesn’t have an axe to grind with someone. Regardless of how nice or cool a person may think they are, there is at least one person they come into contact with on a daily basis who cannot stand them. It’s just life. It may be jealousy, they remind them of someone else who did them wrong, etc. 

asking a person to be “politically correct” and to put their personal feelings aside at a time that they have an opportunity to exact a little revenge is asking a lot. That is human nature too. So I guess you need to fill your world with more people who like you than who don’t in order to maintain forward progress.

When my son made varsity as a freshman we heard rumors about the coach, I told my wife it could just be disgruntled parents....ignore that chatter and see for ourselves. Almost all we heard was true, he didn’t care,disengaged, just a job, but our son got to play so we put up with it. The coach was also linebacker coach on the really good football team. Sophomore year he stopped coaching football altogether....we heard it was because the baseball parents complained about him not caring much about baseball.

I think a coach should be like a doctor....first order of business DO NO HARM.

Tough issue. With thousands of HS V coaches in the US, some (a very small percentage) are bound to be ignorant and opinionated tools. Sounds like that might be the case. Happy that exchange did not hurt your son's offer. As to taking it up with the HC or the AD, I guess you have to ask what you hope to gain? Perhaps if there is a track record of this type of thing, you might be doing a good thing. Or, more likely, nothing will change except a temporary increase in stress and blood pressure. Good luck going forward.

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I’m pretty sure the HS coach never dreamed the Juco coach would tell us what he said. When I confronted him he was surprised for a minute before he started with the smug my opinion crap. Is my kid the next Stephen Hawkins no, has he turned in work late yes, but hr never missed a practice, improved every year and carries a nice GPA and ACT. 

How many other kids has he tried to hurt? When we meet with the district AD I’m going to insist that a record be established that all coaches must document every contact with college coaches. At least it will be above board.

As I said we have a good football team and I see one boy now playing on TV that was in trouble his entire HS career, never went to class, but Iguess his coach promoted his positive skills. 

I am parent of 2018 grad who is playing baseball in college and I am also a HS coach. I have been on both sides and can relate to your frustration, based on info you have shared. However, as coach2079 stated, a HS coach has to be honest with coaches at the next level, or he will most definitely lose credibility which could kill opportunities for future players. I think, and in my experience, coaches struggle with communication more then any other coaching skill set...especially in HS where there is so little competition for good players.

I am actually struggling with a situation right now, having returned to coaching baseball following my son's graduation. We have a good returning P/INF who is a likable kid with decent grades and scores. However, he is lazy, makes questionable decisions (no show for winter workouts last night), misses class frequently, etc. Knowing how important all aspects of character are to college coaches, I thought there is no way I would recommend this player to a coach without making note of those issues.

Again, I get your frustration and do believe you have a legitimate beef with coach since he has never talked to your son about these issues. If he had done it the right way, he would have met with your son about baseball goals and discussed his concerns, giving your son an opportunity to work on and correct said issues. As others have recommended, I would move on. That coach is going to give the AD his side of story and good chance your complaints will fall on deaf ears. Sucks but I see it all the time! Best of luck to your son.

 

We played on a TT with a kid who's dad got in on the tournament basketball thing when it was just taking off. He made a very successful living at it and Drew became a gym rat and a very, very good player. Natural born leader, had a feel for the game, good work ethic, etc. About the only negative thing you could say about the kid was he knew how good he was. The only reason that kid isn't playing big time college basketball is his size. Anyway  I ran into his dad at a tournament what would have been his Jr year of HS. Asked about basketball and he said the kid wasn't playing. Stated the kid did not play much his sophomore year and sat down with the coach. Guy told him "I don't like you. You were born with a silver spoon in your mouth and you are not going to play for me". Coaches are people too, with the same flaws as the rest of us.

What I heard from a mentor important to me was that if there are 20 people asked directly about you, one will be your most ardent promoter + fight for you until their death.  One will be whole heartily against you with every fiber in their being + do anything within their power to see you fail.  It is all about the 18 in between, how you treat them, help them + see that they get their needs met.  You are never going to please some people no matter how hard you attempt to + are much better off having a positive experience with those who want to be in a relationship with you.  As others suggested, let it go + move along to the next level.  Congrats to the family on your son's success.  Keep his spirits up + moving in the proper direction!

This is really bad. My question is -  the high school coach has all of these concerns yet he pitches your son regularly for the high school squad? Sounds hypocritical on his part.

Congrats to your son and it's a great thing that the college coach is giving him the scholarship that he has earned through his grades and athletic performance. The great thing about this is that your son will be playing at the next level for a coach that believes in him!  

As far as contacting the AD or school board...I'd move along and put the focus on the fun years of watching your son play in college. Good luck and congrats to you and your family. 

coachld posted:

 

Again, I get your frustration and do believe you have a legitimate beef with coach since he has never talked to your son about these issues. If he had done it the right way, he would have met with your son about baseball goals and discussed his concerns, giving your son an opportunity to work on and correct said issues. As others have recommended, I would move on. That coach is going to give the AD his side of story and good chance your complaints will fall on deaf ears. Sucks but I see it all the time! Best of luck to your son.

 

The bolded line is the crux of the issue.  For the coach to harbor these views and never share them with the player, and then turn and share them with a college coach is just wrong.  It is immature and unprofessional.  It is like firing an employee for poor behavior or performance without ever having given that feedback in advance... it is just not done that way.  I don't think anyone would object at the HS coach his truthful opinion if he had been open about it with the player in advance.

Being a high school coach for several years, I see it both ways as a parent and a coach.  I had a player who played for me three years who had mediocre grades, missed as much school as he could and pass, was lazy at practice but the best third baseman we had, and could throw strikes.  Bad attitude, bad parental attitude but ran concession stand and top fundraisers, horrible teammate.  He started at third and batted fourth and was #3 pitcher.  But when he was talking to a juco I told him point blank, don't have them call me unless you want me to tell them good and bad.  We had numerous conversations about all of the above including parents for two years.  I told him I would be glad to say how good he could be but he did have a lot of luggage that he carried with him that was not so good.  If you were just looking for production it was there but he was horrible in every non stat area.   I was very proactive in getting kids to the next level and contacted coaches for players all the time.  But I also was obligated to be honest about them. 

Before you completely bash me, I was very helpful in working with him and his girlfriend who got pregnant his junior year and helping them with their baby.  I even let him skip some practices on Saturdays to work to help pay bills.  If he could have fixed his laziness and lack of drive he could have been a great player, but he got it honestly.

You talk about the grades and pitching ability but has the coach ever had to confront your son about his attitude or lack of hustle which he told the coach about? 

I know there are coaches who just don't like a player but if there has never been controversy until now that seems unlikely unless you just don't know about the controversy.

Out of curiosity, have any parents asked their hs coaches for a letter of recommendation that might be forwarded to potential college coaches?  The letter put the hs coach's opinion and reasoning in writing, locks them in to some degree, alerts the player/parents of any issues/concerns, gives the kid a chance to address those concerns, opens up an important talk, etc.  If the letter is positive, the hs coach's subsequent negative call, if any, with the college coach would be inconsistent, taken with a grain of salt, and more easily dismissed by the college coach.  A positive letter would, of course, give the family a bit of confidence about a call with a possible college coach.

I would be leery of any hs coach, who would be unwilling to prepare a letter of recommendation or at least give a sound basis why they would be unwilling or why it might be negative and not useful.  Plus, hs teacher prepare college letters all of the time for college applicants, which are shared with the students; so this seems to be within the purview of a reasonable ask.   

Any thoughts on this suggestion?  I'm very curious what the hs coaches out there would think about this.           

jbench posted:

Out of curiosity, have any parents asked their hs coaches for a letter of recommendation that might be forwarded to potential college coaches?  The letter put the hs coach's opinion and reasoning in writing, locks them in to some degree, alerts the player/parents of any issues/concerns, gives the kid a chance to address those concerns, opens up an important talk, etc.  If the letter is positive, the hs coach's subsequent negative call, if any, with the college coach would be inconsistent, taken with a grain of salt, and more easily dismissed by the college coach.  A positive letter would, of course, give the family a bit of confidence about a call with a possible college coach.

I would be leery of any hs coach, who would be unwilling to prepare a letter of recommendation or at least give a sound basis why they would be unwilling or why it might be negative and not useful.  Plus, hs teacher prepare college letters all of the time for college applicants, which are shared with the students; so this seems to be within the purview of a reasonable ask.   

Any thoughts on this suggestion?  I'm very curious what the hs coaches out there would think about this.           

It's not that deep. If a college coach is interested in a player they'll call the HS/travel coach to get their thoughts. 10 minute conversation. I don't think a college coach would even be willing to accept a letter of recommendation. It seems kind of corny and desperate. Either way, HS coaches typically aren't all that involved with recruitment process. 

PABaseball posted:
jbench posted:

Out of curiosity, have any parents asked their hs coaches for a letter of recommendation that might be forwarded to potential college coaches?  The letter put the hs coach's opinion and reasoning in writing, locks them in to some degree, alerts the player/parents of any issues/concerns, gives the kid a chance to address those concerns, opens up an important talk, etc.  If the letter is positive, the hs coach's subsequent negative call, if any, with the college coach would be inconsistent, taken with a grain of salt, and more easily dismissed by the college coach.  A positive letter would, of course, give the family a bit of confidence about a call with a possible college coach.

I would be leery of any hs coach, who would be unwilling to prepare a letter of recommendation or at least give a sound basis why they would be unwilling or why it might be negative and not useful.  Plus, hs teacher prepare college letters all of the time for college applicants, which are shared with the students; so this seems to be within the purview of a reasonable ask.   

Any thoughts on this suggestion?  I'm very curious what the hs coaches out there would think about this.           

It's not that deep. If a college coach is interested in a player they'll call the HS/travel coach to get their thoughts. 10 minute conversation. I don't think a college coach would even be willing to accept a letter of recommendation. It seems kind of corny and desperate. Either way, HS coaches typically aren't all that involved with recruitment process. 

In my son's situation, HS HC offered to call and/or email any coaches at schools of interest and did so on multiple occasions. He also wrote a letter of recommendation for the common app but as a teacher evaluation or optional recommender only. Not in reference to baseball. These are not viewable by the student in the common app portal. Not sure if there is a setting that the recommender can select to open this up but none of the ones for my son were available to him.

Wow, that's a tough one.  I guess my biggest issue is that it's never been brought up before.  The coach had to know that your son was looking to play college baseball and I'd think at some point he'd have told your son "hey, if a coach calls, here's what I'm going to say".  To just do what he did with your son having no knowledge of what he thought about him is brutal. 

With regard to the AD, at this point I think I'd skip it.  No reason to drag this out any further...and potentially hurt your son with regard to PT this spring.  I think I'd just let it go, give the coach a crappy "hello" every time he walks by and get out of the situation without making it any worse.   I wouldn't hesitate to tell your story to any other parents....just so they would have some idea what is possible before they let a potential college coach call the HS coach.

I guess I will say this....in my experience, at least around here, the travel coach's opinion pulls a lot more weight than the HS coach...adn it seems like in your case that's also what happened.  Typically the travel coach sees kids playing better competition than they do in HS...and also spends 4-5 days at a time with the kids...in hotels, in cars, etc.  Typically they can tell the "good" kids from the "bad" ones based on what they see over the course of a summer.

Congrats to your son!

PitchingFan posted:

Being a high school coach for several years, I see it both ways as a parent and a coach.  I had a player who played for me three years who had mediocre grades, missed as much school as he could and pass, was lazy at practice but the best third baseman we had, and could throw strikes.  Bad attitude, bad parental attitude but ran concession stand and top fundraisers, horrible teammate.  He started at third and batted fourth and was #3 pitcher.  But when he was talking to a juco I told him point blank, don't have them call me unless you want me to tell them good and bad.  We had numerous conversations about all of the above including parents for two years.  I told him I would be glad to say how good he could be but he did have a lot of luggage that he carried with him that was not so good.  If you were just looking for production it was there but he was horrible in every non stat area.   I was very proactive in getting kids to the next level and contacted coaches for players all the time.  But I also was obligated to be honest about them. 

Before you completely bash me, I was very helpful in working with him and his girlfriend who got pregnant his junior year and helping them with their baby.  I even let him skip some practices on Saturdays to work to help pay bills.  If he could have fixed his laziness and lack of drive he could have been a great player, but he got it honestly.

You talk about the grades and pitching ability but has the coach ever had to confront your son about his attitude or lack of hustle which he told the coach about? 

I know there are coaches who just don't like a player but if there has never been controversy until now that seems unlikely unless you just don't know about the controversy.

Finally!  I was beginning to think I was alone in some of these thoughts.

As a former HS coach, I, too, have had my share of good players who had attitude issues, laziness or other.  And, yes, sometimes it was my better players.  It doesn't mean I benched them.  But they had to uphold all of the team standards or they would see the bench and we would certainly be communicating.  But that communication would be between me and the player - not the parent (unless things were particularly bad).  I considered it part of my job to help them improve both their game and their "citizenship".  This is real life.  And sometimes, the bumpy road didn't end at the rainbow. 

Coaches have integrity and relationship concerns to protect with both sides - their players and the college coaches who may confide in them.  I took pride in helping players make it to the next level and in promoting them when deserved.  But I also owed it to the college coaches to give them an accurate assessment - both performance and behavior.  If I were to blow smoke at the local college coach about a kid, that would be the last chance I ever had to help other kids looking at that school and probably any other school within the region.  College coaches are a small, tight knit group.  They talk among each other, particularly regionally.

Nonamedad, I don't know nearly enough about your specific situation to know if any of this applies at all or maybe just a little or ???.  Maybe the coach is just a jerk like so many others here are suggesting and he got screwed.  But there are some things that just don't fit.  Your son is a good prospect skill-wise.  It just seems very strange to me.  Why has he not had a conversation with his HS coach previously about his recruiting efforts?  Some here say it's the coach' fault.  It falls just as much on the player (and maybe somewhat on the parent) in his recruiting efforts to make sure he is properly taking care of all his potential references.    What would the motivation of the coach be to speak poorly of your son to a recruiting college coach?  It would only benefit him to have his players advance unless there are legitimate concerns.  And, sorry, this is nitpicking, but what the heck does helping with snack bar and fundraisers have to do with it? 

As HS coach, I didn't always get called - as others have stated, it's usually travel coach that gets the call.  But it certainly happens.  And when it does, the recruiter's questions are usually fairly extensive and definitely include reference to things like attitude, effort, coachability, respect, sense of team, leadership, grades, etc.

You may be way ahead of things and have already fully explored with your son what may be behind the coach' opinion, but if not, I would certainly fully vet that out before looking outside for blame.  If there's something there, maybe this can be a huge opportunity to focus on it and make it right.  And this could help him going forward.

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IMO it starts at the top, the HS coach was disengaged, did the minimum, lazy call it what you want. And the WHOLE team showed that attitude. I thought we all understood that he was just killing time. I knew interest would come through the travel team, and my son played HS because that’s what you do. Now, HS coach suddenly decides I have an obligation to give a negative report on a real good kid because I have a reputation to protect. Sad... IMO he should have the attitude of DO NO HARM to the kid. He has had zero to due with the development of the kid anyway.

Nonamedad posted:

IMO it starts at the top, the HS coach was disengaged, did the minimum, lazy call it what you want. And the WHOLE team showed that attitude. I thought we all understood that he was just killing time. I knew interest would come through the travel team, and my son played HS because that’s what you do. Now, HS coach suddenly decides I have an obligation to give a negative report on a real good kid because I have a reputation to protect. Sad... IMO he should have the attitude of DO NO HARM to the kid. He has had zero to due with the development of the kid anyway.

This paragraph is a little bit different than what you originally stated.  Now you're saying that the coach is lazy, doesn't care, etc.  Does your son have this same attitude?  If so, and it has showed up at practices (when you're not there) or in your son's discussions with other players, etc then maybe the coach told the college coach what he sees.  If that's the case, then I'm starting to lean toward the coach....though as others have said, there is always more to any story.  Your statement "he should have the attitude of DO NO HARM to the kid" is completely off base in my opinion if he is being honest with what he tells a coach.  If he says "oh Joey is a great kid" then the college coach finds out he isn't, the chances of any other kids from your HS getting to play for that college just went to ZERO!   Again, I don't know the coach....I don't know your son, but your first post basically said "we had no issues with the coach, I helped out in any way I can"...making it sound like you were at least cordial to him.  Your last paragrah went to "disengaged, did the minimum, lazy call it what you want".  Coach's are smart....I'll guarantee you that the coach knew that this is what you thought of him.  As much as I hate to say it, if the coach knew that's what you think about him, he may have used that against your son when the college guy called him.  Deserved....no, possible....absolutely!

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Not jumping on because I don't know your kid but I do know this.  Now the college coach has at least heard it whether it is truth or a lie.  He will be watching for it when your son arrives on campus.  I would be in my son's ear and make sure that this spring, because there is a chance they come watch him or have somebody watch him, that he is a leader on the field, in the dugout, and that he hustles everywhere he goes including practice.

I know there are bad coaches but that should never play into a team's ability or especially a kid's ability or attitude.  My kid hears from me all the time because his coaches attitude played over into his during a high school season, not baseball.  The coach treated them like buddies rather than his players and they felt they could talk to him like a buddy.  I heard and saw it from the stands and had a tough talk that night that the coach's attitude should not change his.  He would respect him as an adult in authority and treat him like that.  I even happened to be near one of their practices the next few days to see if it was better in practice. 

I will say I think your son needs to have a conversation with the coach, not you because he is a senior in high school, and ask what specific areas he needs to improve or specific things he has done in the past to warrant that recommendation if it has not happened in the past.  I'm still feeling that your son knows more than you are hearing.  I've never seen a coach go to that level of giving a bad report unless there was something in the past between them.  Coaches get brownie points from kids going on to the next level.  I had a lot of talks with players that I'm sure they never shared with their parents.  I refused to talk to parents about their children unless I had talked to kid and there was a school employee present. 

What purpose would going over the coach’s head to the AD serve? Payback? AD’s typically think it’s the parents who are the problem when they run to him. Besides, the AD and the coach have a relationship. You don’t. 

Your son hasn’t signed an NLI yet. He hasn’t played his senior year yet. He got what he wants in terms of college ball. I would move on. I wouldn’t create more problems. You may not get satisfaction. Your son could have an unhappy senior season due to the coach.

Nonamedad posted:

IMO it starts at the top, the HS coach was disengaged, did the minimum, lazy call it what you want. And the WHOLE team showed that attitude. I thought we all understood that he was just killing time. I knew interest would come through the travel team, and my son played HS because that’s what you do. Now, HS coach suddenly decides I have an obligation to give a negative report on a real good kid because I have a reputation to protect. Sad... IMO he should have the attitude of DO NO HARM to the kid. He has had zero to due with the development of the kid anyway.

Well, again, just on the surface...  

"...disengaged, did the minimum, lazy call it what you want. And the WHOLE team showed that attitude. "

... with reason or not, that's not a good thing.  And I'm not just talking about the coach.

And...

"...IMO he should have the attitude of DO NO HARM to the kid. "

With regard to a coach giving feedback to an inquiring RC, that's not the way it works (I'd say regardless of how good or bad the HS coach may be).  Priority is to give a positive (where earned) endorsement and promote the player but there will almost always be an honest exchange of strengths and weaknesses.  If a coach feels there is a particular attitude concern that may show itself when the player shows up on the college campus, he will more than likely feel compelled to share that.

I can pretty much guarantee that things won't be all sunshine and roses in college ball either.  Among players, there will be those in the negative camp and the positive camp.  Your son will face plenty that will tempt him to lean toward negative.  It will be his choice.

I'll be straight up.  This is an example of someone being more direct somewhat because they can "hide behind the keyboard" (me).  If it can help somebody (after they are done cussing me out), I'm more than willing to take that hit.

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RJM posted:

What purpose would going over the coach’s head to the AD serve? Payback? AD’s typically think it’s the parents who are the problem when they run to him. Besides, the AD and the coach have a relationship. You don’t. 

Your son hasn’t signed an NLI yet. He hasn’t played his senior year yet. He got what he wants in terms of college ball. I would move on. I wouldn’t create more problems. You may not get satisfaction. Your son could have an unhappy senior season due to the coach.

I want the coach held accountable period. He NEVER expected the Juco coach would tell us what he said, he assumed the Juco coach would just tell my kid sorry not interested. I want the dist AD to make all coaches  log when contacted by a college and what was said. Then they will have to justify there comments

I agree that for now you need to encourage your son to put this behind him and focus on being a good teammate and player his senior year.  He needs to be the better man, as it were.

However, if it is true that this coach's criticisms of your son are totally out of the blue and he has never had a conversation with your son about them, then AFTER the spring season is over, I would lodge a complaint with the appropriate school administrator.  Not for your son's sake, but for all the other players coming up through that program behind him.  It is not acceptable for the high school coach to complain about a player to a college coach if he has never had the decency to talk to your son about those problems directly.  A kid needs that kind of feedback and a chance to change his behavior.  The kid needs to know that if he doesn't change, that information will be relayed to any college coaches that call.

A coach has an obligation to talk honestly with a kid with a behavior/attitude problem, not just for the sake of the kid, but also for the sake of the team, which may have been enduring his bad behavior for years.  A coach who ignores these problems and keeps putting the kid in the line-up is part of the problem and the whole team suffers for it.

Nonamedad posted:
RJM posted:

What purpose would going over the coach’s head to the AD serve? Payback? AD’s typically think it’s the parents who are the problem when they run to him. Besides, the AD and the coach have a relationship. You don’t. 

Your son hasn’t signed an NLI yet. He hasn’t played his senior year yet. He got what he wants in terms of college ball. I would move on. I wouldn’t create more problems. You may not get satisfaction. Your son could have an unhappy senior season due to the coach.

I want the coach held accountable period. He NEVER expected the Juco coach would tell us what he said, he assumed the Juco coach would just tell my kid sorry not interested. I want the dist AD to make all coaches  log when contacted by a college and what was said. Then they will have to justify there comments

Don't get me wrong but this sounds like you are a guy looking for trouble. I don't  like what the coach did but he doesn't owe you a testimony. You have nothing to win here and you only hurt your kid if you pick a fight now.

Have you been confrontational before? Maybe that even was the issue the coach had?

I would definitely not complain to the AD about this Coach.  He has every right to his opinion when asked.  You have every right to have your child not play for him.   When I choose to have my kid take part in playing for a team, it is 100% the Coach's right to play him, bench him, yell at him, teach him, and give whatever negative  or positive feedback about him when asked.

The only time I would step in is to communicate about injury concerns. 

Nonamedad posted:
RJM posted:

What purpose would going over the coach’s head to the AD serve? Payback? AD’s typically think it’s the parents who are the problem when they run to him. Besides, the AD and the coach have a relationship. You don’t. 

Your son hasn’t signed an NLI yet. He hasn’t played his senior year yet. He got what he wants in terms of college ball. I would move on. I wouldn’t create more problems. You may not get satisfaction. Your son could have an unhappy senior season due to the coach.

I want the coach held accountable period. He NEVER expected the Juco coach would tell us what he said, he assumed the Juco coach would just tell my kid sorry not interested. I want the dist AD to make all coaches  log when contacted by a college and what was said. Then they will have to justify there comments

You already know what was said.  If you truly believe that what he said was so out of line that it warrants contact with the AD, then fine, go ahead.   But your "wanting the AD to make all coaches log contacts" is a bit far fetched....and it's going to make you known throughout the school system as "that parent".   Your problem is with the baseball coach.  Why do you feel like you need to drag the girls' swimming coach into your argument.  If you feel the need to talk to the AD it should be something along the lines of "we'd like to know why the coach told the JUCO coach what he did".  If the AD can't get an answer, then that's his problem...and you know the coach was the problem.  If he stands by what he said, then maybe there are issues that you don't know about....on one or both sides of the argument.

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