For some of the better hitters,it is crucial for them to understand why they are failing and what it is they do to succeed.I have heard many of the best say they go and watch film of their good at bats and compare them to their bad at bats to see what they need to change to succeed.
Sometimes it is something very simple that makes the difference.BUT,the good ones care,if they are failing,when things are going well,they don't care as much.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
Yes, I did change my post..
I will tell you why.....'Cause, you are really into the mechanics aspect of swinging a bat..
The truth is, hitters should drop the hands and arms while swinging the bat....
That depends on where and how.
I'm not as much into the mechanical as you might think.I do believe in muscle memory but when you step into the box,you are there to hit,PERIOD,how is irrelevant.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
I am saying, they learn by failing, not by succeeding....
You must fail to succeed.....
Don't make it easy...If you do, they will not learn......
I do believe you get better by failing, but if you never catch a fish are you still going to keep fishing?
I also think you remember things better or longer at least, that you figured out on your own. But again, if you don't have some successes along the way most people will give up before they have given it a fair chance, even if they love to play the game. At some point, some people should give up and as a conscientious instructor, we should let them instead of draining them dry.
quote:.......if you never catch a fish are you still going to keep fishing?
If my intent is to catch a fish, yes I will........
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:.......if you never catch a fish are you still going to keep fishing?
If my intent is to catch a fish, yes I will........
You know....that could be the thing that separates the great hitters from the good hitters.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Great fxf. Look at the bat head being put in motion before the hip starts moving. F-9 the swing starts. F-11 the hip opens. F-13 the hips turn.
So getting back to the initial post, what is the value of 'hip turn' in your view.
Quincy,
I came back to this thread because I remembered the frame by frame of Williams. You say the front hip opens at frame 11, I say it starts to open at frame 7. You say the hip turns at frame 13, I say it starts to turn between frame 8 and 10. The push/resistance with the back big toe starts at frame 8 or sooner (since I can't see in his shoe, I can't tell exactly when) but, I would guess frame 7 so that it coincides with the front hip opening. You are correct that the bat is put in motion early. It is put in motion forward (away from his body) at frame 1 at the same time his big toe on his front foot raises his heel off the ground and initiates his negative move with the hips. The bat starts rearward at frame 7 which is the start of his stride. The bathead never goes to the ball in this clip and he can stop before he does swing during any frame of this clip. IMO, the "swing" is from frame 13 to contact.
If you look at the film of Williams you provided, it shows a check swing and you will see what I'm talking about.
The clip provided by jimo is the most efficient and effective way to get to the "swing" ever. I see no way to make it more efficient or effective and that is why I try to teach this to all of my students. However, I do realize some won't or can't get this action down. I then go back to the drawing board and find the best way for that individual to get to the swing.
Quincy has it right and if he were face to face with you he would show you correctly. Good hitters fight hip turn! Called resistence.
Im with Q. Frame 11. Not frame 7
Im with Q. Frame 11. Not frame 7
quote:Originally posted by swingbuilder:
Quincy has it right and if he were face to face with you he would show you correctly. Good hitters fight hip turn! Called resistence.
Im with Q. Frame 11. Not frame 7
You're just not looking close enough.
The Babe told fellow players to:
- stuff a towel in your left armpit
- shift to your right leg
- then shift to your left leg
- if you drop the towel, you can't hit
That's it.
Of course, the towel bit just keeps your hands and arms back as long as possible (sound familiar to all you pitchers?).
When teaching people hitting and pitching, I get them to make a few swings (or pitches) and have them try to hold the bat (or ball) back. They can't hold it back, and their swing (or throw) is actually faster.
- stuff a towel in your left armpit
- shift to your right leg
- then shift to your left leg
- if you drop the towel, you can't hit
That's it.
Of course, the towel bit just keeps your hands and arms back as long as possible (sound familiar to all you pitchers?).
When teaching people hitting and pitching, I get them to make a few swings (or pitches) and have them try to hold the bat (or ball) back. They can't hold it back, and their swing (or throw) is actually faster.
