PGStaff,
I think your old friend "Shepster" may be back.....
Peace Out! was a clue.
This has the makings of an epic battle.
PG is holding his gloves high, bobing and weaving with every punch.
Newscout is throwing hay makers with no fear.
All the while, 7853 scouts have been put on the pass list for next years fall festival.
Literally.
I have already purchased a Bad Boy Buggy with a lift kit so I can see higher than any other scout in the history of ever. Already have radar gun kit for front bumper.
Don't give up the fight boys. Stand for what you believe in. There are players out there that depend on you. An accurate scout count is essential for the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_player
PG is holding his gloves high, bobing and weaving with every punch.
Newscout is throwing hay makers with no fear.
All the while, 7853 scouts have been put on the pass list for next years fall festival.
Literally.
I have already purchased a Bad Boy Buggy with a lift kit so I can see higher than any other scout in the history of ever. Already have radar gun kit for front bumper.
Don't give up the fight boys. Stand for what you believe in. There are players out there that depend on you. An accurate scout count is essential for the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_player
Or, it could be, any one, of a number of multiple personalities.
There probably needs to be a forum just for them.
There probably needs to be a forum just for them.
You guys need to take the advice I did, get you a bass boat and go bass fishing. I guarentee you, there are 600 base in Lake Ray Hubbard.
I'm impressed with both sides of this debate! The social studies teacher in me is visualizing some trench warfare similar to that on the Western Front, circa 1917-1918.
In Tulsa, Ok. there are literally 600 cameras.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
In Tulsa, Ok. there are literally 600 cameras.
Ken, just what do you mean by... literally?
Counting scouts aside, don't think there's much doubt the influence/power/importance of select sports .... because of the contact, equipment cost, etc. of football that's a difficult off-season select sport but there are growing segments of select spring, contact football for Middle School football ......all other sports being select dominated...
but the larger debate is among ISD athletic departments and the UIL and if they're too cumbersome to react... ISDs need money... athletics is a revenue generator.. there is HUGE market demand.. Can ISDs and UIL adjust or just too big of bureaucratic monster... the market is clear...be part of the new mix or cut games and coaches to support other parts of ISD and watch select sports continue to expand
but the larger debate is among ISD athletic departments and the UIL and if they're too cumbersome to react... ISDs need money... athletics is a revenue generator.. there is HUGE market demand.. Can ISDs and UIL adjust or just too big of bureaucratic monster... the market is clear...be part of the new mix or cut games and coaches to support other parts of ISD and watch select sports continue to expand
quote:Originally posted by dallasblog.com:
Counting scouts aside, don't think there's much doubt the influence/power/importance of select sports .... because of the contact, equipment cost, etc. of football that's a difficult off-season select sport but there are growing segments of select spring, contact football for Middle School football ......all other sports being select dominated...
but the larger debate is among ISD athletic departments and the UIL and if they're too cumbersome to react... ISDs need money... athletics is a revenue generator.. there is HUGE market demand.. Can ISDs and UIL adjust or just too big of bureaucratic monster... the market is clear...be part of the new mix or cut games and coaches to support other parts of ISD and watch select sports continue to expand
Huh?
quote:Originally posted by dallasblog.com:
Counting scouts aside, don't think there's much doubt the influence/power/importance of select sports .... because of the contact, equipment cost, etc. of football that's a difficult off-season select sport but there are growing segments of select spring, contact football for Middle School football ......all other sports being select dominated...
but the larger debate is among ISD athletic departments and the UIL and if they're too cumbersome to react... ISDs need money... athletics is a revenue generator.. there is HUGE market demand.. Can ISDs and UIL adjust or just too big of bureaucratic monster... the market is clear...be part of the new mix or cut games and coaches to support other parts of ISD and watch select sports continue to expand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNydBMu1VfI
Exactly the propblem RLB... many are watching Billy Madison as school athletic programs slowly erode through political budget cuts and club sports are one of the country's top growing industries.. Dallas Biz
Idle thoughts about the differences between high school baseball and summer league play:
Heat: Enough said
Pace of game is slower:
Pitcher takes longer to pitch
Players do not hustle in and out
Batter putting batting gloves on in the box, in lieu of on deck circle
On deck batters oblivious that a passed ball / foul ball requires their attention
More passed balls: Catchers do not block the ball with the same intensity
Less double plays: See above
Time Limit: You would think if the kids wanted to play seven innings, the above would not be true
Players not knowing the game situation:
Many runners going half way, when two are out
Outfielders trying to hit the cut off man, when their catch resulted in the third out
The Premier teams seem to participate in league play only because the AABC makes league play a requirement for Farmington. Have actually seen a player take the field without a glove, just so he could meet the requisite number of innings to qualify for the CMWS
The biggest difference between high school and summer league play: (Drum roll please) Enthusiasm. I had a SS tell me one time he would rather be home watching Sponge Bob
I have never been to Farmington, and only hear great things about the Connie Mack World Series. I also hear great things about the Mickey Mantle World Series. My comparisons are with summer league play and high school ball.
Heat: Enough said
Pace of game is slower:
Pitcher takes longer to pitch
Players do not hustle in and out
Batter putting batting gloves on in the box, in lieu of on deck circle
On deck batters oblivious that a passed ball / foul ball requires their attention
More passed balls: Catchers do not block the ball with the same intensity
Less double plays: See above
Time Limit: You would think if the kids wanted to play seven innings, the above would not be true
Players not knowing the game situation:
Many runners going half way, when two are out
Outfielders trying to hit the cut off man, when their catch resulted in the third out
The Premier teams seem to participate in league play only because the AABC makes league play a requirement for Farmington. Have actually seen a player take the field without a glove, just so he could meet the requisite number of innings to qualify for the CMWS
The biggest difference between high school and summer league play: (Drum roll please) Enthusiasm. I had a SS tell me one time he would rather be home watching Sponge Bob
I have never been to Farmington, and only hear great things about the Connie Mack World Series. I also hear great things about the Mickey Mantle World Series. My comparisons are with summer league play and high school ball.
All goocd reasons why pro-college/scouts like summer baseball .. much easier to see if a player's got the long-term interest in baseball and sounds like a lot of parents are making their kids play summer ball (which is exactly the revenue point) cause most hs kids cam't get/don't want job and summer leagues are the new recreation centers (current rec centers either closed or now filled with folks older than me) ...football coaches way ahead of other sports with summer conditioning programs (coached by hs coaches) in mornings at school and 7 on 7 tourneys (which are coach run) most of the top fball schools have 4-6 hs coaches at each and every Saturday 7 on 7 and on their league night of play... Doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong.. use change to advantage rather find yourself wondering what happened which is position schools finding themselves in
quote:Originally posted by dallasblog.com:
sounds like a lot of parents are making their kids play summer ball
I believe it is typically the player wanting to play summer ball, not the parents "making their kid play". At that age it is really up to the player to decide.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:
This has the makings of an epic battle.
PG is holding his gloves high, bobing and weaving with every punch.
Newscout is throwing hay makers with no fear.
All the while, 7853 scouts have been put on the pass list for next years fall festival.
Literally.
I have already purchased a Bad Boy Buggy with a lift kit so I can see higher than any other scout in the history of ever. Already have radar gun kit for front bumper.
Don't give up the fight boys. Stand for what you believe in. There are players out there that depend on you. An accurate scout count is essential for the future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...youtube_gdata_player
After a couple of months on this board I have determined that Ken Guthrie is either had one or two former jobs.
He has been a former High School Counselor
or a stand up comedian? So which is it?
quote:Originally posted by Pro Source Dad:
After a couple of months on this board I have determined that Ken Guthrie is either had one or two former jobs.
He has been a former High School Counselor
or a stand up comedian? So which is it?
Actually I sell snow cones for a living. The kinds with the loopty doo straw. Business is good.
I did charge for a magic show once if that counts.
quote:Actually I sell snow cones for a living. The kinds with the loopty doo straw. Business is good.
I've had Gut's cones....very tasty.
The loopty doo straws really stand out...you know, for better Exposure.
Gut understands that the more exposure you get in the summer, the better!
Trust me...Gut understands much more than that.
P-Diddy,
When this gets to 10,000 views, can we shut it down and move the drill? I dont want this to surpass the C Benoit thread of years ago...We must protect our treasures from the past.
When this gets to 10,000 views, can we shut it down and move the drill? I dont want this to surpass the C Benoit thread of years ago...We must protect our treasures from the past.
When PG shows a list like the MSL and other showcases do we can move on. I spoke to 5 different scouts this weekend and none attended this event. I 100% beleive they have tons of scouts but 600 did not see the game in question. Still waiting.
quote:Originally posted by Newscout:
When PG shows a list like the MSL and other showcases do we can move on. I spoke to 5 different scouts this weekend and none attended this event. I 100% beleive they have tons of scouts but 600 did not see the game in question. Still waiting.
I think the time to "move on" has already come. Most threads die a natural death unless someone insists on reviving them.
If your goal is to call out PG publicly, I suspect you will not find many people here who will support that effort. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but running this into the ground just because you have a discrepant view will not endear you to most forum members here.
Vector,
I am not calling PG out. Only asking to prove a statement made by them. How come everyone always calls this calling people out. I call it simply back up what you say. I am one of the biggest fans of PG out there. I just told a younger 15U coach the other day that he needed to attend. One of only a few places in the US you can go and see a couple hundred scouts. Let me say this again "I am a HUGE FAN".
Here comes the but, they defended a statement made on public TV. "We had over 600 scouts at one of our game". "Literally OVER 600".
If anyone believes that... you are not real smart. I would have never said a word if the statement was we had over 200 scouts at one of our games. Still pretty unbelievable but too close to question. Because I have been there.
Most of you are saying let it die, but I know some of you are really enjoying this.
(OK your probably right, I will delete the bottom part) Now back on target.
I am not calling PG out. Only asking to prove a statement made by them. How come everyone always calls this calling people out. I call it simply back up what you say. I am one of the biggest fans of PG out there. I just told a younger 15U coach the other day that he needed to attend. One of only a few places in the US you can go and see a couple hundred scouts. Let me say this again "I am a HUGE FAN".
Here comes the but, they defended a statement made on public TV. "We had over 600 scouts at one of our game". "Literally OVER 600".
If anyone believes that... you are not real smart. I would have never said a word if the statement was we had over 200 scouts at one of our games. Still pretty unbelievable but too close to question. Because I have been there.
Most of you are saying let it die, but I know some of you are really enjoying this.
(OK your probably right, I will delete the bottom part) Now back on target.
Newscout,
You have completley gone off target from your original argument and it seems out of jealousy or some other motive you have settled on bashing Logan Stout. As a parent in the Patriots organization I can vouch and say that he is far from a "very good business man" as my son would not have the opportunity to play college baseball if it were not for him. I happened to be at the game in question and although there might not have been "600" exactly I can guarantee you there was 400+ as the photo does not even accurately display the amount present.
You have completley gone off target from your original argument and it seems out of jealousy or some other motive you have settled on bashing Logan Stout. As a parent in the Patriots organization I can vouch and say that he is far from a "very good business man" as my son would not have the opportunity to play college baseball if it were not for him. I happened to be at the game in question and although there might not have been "600" exactly I can guarantee you there was 400+ as the photo does not even accurately display the amount present.
Nobody cares. NS is just an alias.
A troll stirring the pot. I do think its kinda funny that PG already discredited him.
A troll stirring the pot. I do think its kinda funny that PG already discredited him.
Wonder Boy,
You have two things wrong. I am not a Alias, you can look back over the past two years and see I am pretty straight forward and do not take sides very often. And I am not a pot Stirer.
Second thing you have wrong is PG did not discredit me at all. If you think they did please let me know where?
All I am saying is 600 is an exaggerated number. I am 100% confident of it. I stand by what I say and these people should also.
You have two things wrong. I am not a Alias, you can look back over the past two years and see I am pretty straight forward and do not take sides very often. And I am not a pot Stirer.
Second thing you have wrong is PG did not discredit me at all. If you think they did please let me know where?
All I am saying is 600 is an exaggerated number. I am 100% confident of it. I stand by what I say and these people should also.
quote:Originally posted by Newscout:
Vector,
I am not calling PG out. Only asking to prove a statement made by them. How come everyone always calls this calling people out.
The reason people perceive what you are doing as calling someone out, is simply because you are doing just that.
Whether PG or anyone else said 600 scouts vs. 200+ scouts should not be that big of a deal.
One wonders why you seem so invested on proving or disproving it?
I for one have been to Jupiter and I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of scouts. I never took the time(nor did I have the desire)to count how many were on a particular field. The fact of the matter is they zip around from field to field during the games, so it is not hard to imagine that hundreds of scouts will see at least a portion of a particular game. No one said they must be packed in like sardines for the entire game and ignore the other games going on at the same time.
quote:Originally posted by Newscout:
I know some of you are really enjoying this.
I suspect fewer than you imagine. While some people love drama and/or controversy, they even grow weary of reading about people beating a dead horse.
In the big scheme of life, whether 200, 600, or even 1000 scouts view a portion of a game or not is small potatoes. I for one am thankful that a host of college scouts got to see my son pitch. There may only have been 40 or so because of the time, location, and the fact he was pitching for a mediocre team. They may not have all been from the schools we had hoped for, but we feel as if we got our moneys worth. As I have said in other threads, there were more scouts at the PG event than all the other events we attended combined. So it was worth the time and money on the chance a Notre Dame, Duke, etc. coach may stop by and like him. I know they were on site as I saw them zipping around along with hundreds of other coaches/scouts.
Deion Sanders is from Florida and he said there were thousands...consequently millions in attendance. Sorry, I had to use a little TICKET humor in an attempt to lighten the mood!
I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that this is still being seriously kicked around or that I'm still spending time reading it!
quote:Originally posted by sayhey:
I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that this is still being seriously kicked around or that I'm still spending time reading it!
I hear you sayhey! I think it's like a car wreck on the highway. You know you shouldn't waste your time looking at but you just can't help yourself.
quote:Originally posted by sayhey:
I'm not sure which is worse, the fact that this is still being seriously kicked around or that I'm still spending time reading it!
I can't help but laugh when I see that more posts have been added to this thread. I feel compelled to read it just to see what else could possibly be brought up at this point.
I believe the members are attempting to break a record as the highest viewed post ever. It needs to close.
PD must be slippin....back in the day, he would have shut it down long ago.