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HOW TOXIC OF A BASEBALL PARENT ARE YOU?

If you talk to any coach whose been coaching for longer than a few years and ask them what makes their job the hardest I guarantee you 99% of them will say THE PARENTS. Ive been coaching tournament baseball for almost 20 years now and learned a long time ago that that is 100% true. Its not a secret or even a debate yet why is it such an obvious truth? What is it that parents do that make coaching a team so difficult at times? Well I started reflecting back on my years of coaching experience and have come up with a list of things that make parents toxic to the overall chemistry of a team.Below is a list I've compiled of the different kinds of parents who create toxicity on a team. Some are worse than others so I will try to list them from intolerable to not as toxic. Some of you are new to this whole thing and may not resemble any of these traits whereas some of you who read this may embody several. Enjoy! And dont worry next week I will compose a list of types of coaches who are out there.

1. FORMER "COACH"- Probably the most toxic parent in select baseball is former coach guy. This is the dad who had a 7U league ball team that was undefeated in back to back seasons and he was named as the All Star coach back to back seasons. So then he tried to parlay that success by starting a brand new select ball team. But once him and his buddys couldnt get their sons passed the 11U AA level he decided to take his kid to an organization. Once in the organization he proceeds to second guess every move the hired coaches make and becomes confident after a couple of years of picking up things from the hired coach that he wants to try his luck again at coaching. So he takes his son and a few of his buddies away from the organization and starts up a 16U team. But in the end this toxic parent inevitably ends up putting little Bobby back into an organization as he realizes hes not equipped to talk to colleges about getting little Bobby a scholarship. And in the end has to swallow his coaching whistle one last time and be grateful if his son gets a look from the local community college much less the Power 5 school he thought his son deserved to play at.

2. BIG MONEY BOB- This is the dad who has made a great living for himself and wants to "give back" by sponsoring the team that little Bobby is playing on. The only problem with BMB's donation of back packs and 4 uniforms is that it comes with a caveat. That donation isnt just buying equipment its to buy little Bobby a certain amount of playing time because little Bobby is average at best. So the coach can either go along with the program or BMB takes his son and his buddies to another team to inevitably start the whole process over again.

3. TEAM JUMPER- This is the parent who almost never is happy with whats going on on the team. Especially when said team starts to lose games. Thats because this parent is living vicariously thru their kid and how many rings their kid is accumulating. The more rings their kid gets the bigger the parent's d*ck gets. These are the parents whose child could fill a closet with the number of jerseys from all the teams they've played for. Then sadly when little Bobby gets to high school he has nowhere else to run. But this parent will always make one more move residentially so their son can play at a different high school. This type of toxic parent embodies several of the traits listed on this post.

4. GOSSIPING GUY- This is the dad who cant even make it to the truck before getting on the phone with another parent to gossip about other players, the coach and even other parents all the while little Bobby is walking right next to him listening to every word he's saying. So next time little Bobby sees his teammates in the back of his mind hes thinking of what his dad said about them. And whats even worse is if what his dad said gets back to those players and parents spreading a cancer throughout the team.

5. NO FILTER FAN BOY- This is the parent who doesnt even care who hears what hes got to say. This is the parent who degrades players, coaches, umpires and even other parents from the bleachers. The guy who yells out to opposing players under the age of 14 years old. Who openly talks trash about a player whose parents are usually within earshot of the comments. Theres a special place in toxic parent hell for this type of parent.

6. BLINDERS ON GUY- This is the parent who always seems to forget the 5 errors little Bobby made and focus on the right fielder dropping a pop up. This parent overlooks his sons multiple mental and physical errors yet thinks his son is the next Babe Ruth necause he got a seeing eye single to shallow right field.

7. GAME CHANGER GUY/STAT RAT- This is the parent that can tell you his 9 year old son's first pitch strike percentage during night games when the temperature is above 80 degrees. Hes also the guy who ironically wants to be the guy doing game changer or hounds the guy doing game changer. Who wants to argue if his son got a hit or was it ruled and error. Or while his son is pitching was it an earned run or marked as unearned. Normally his obsession with stats is passed down to his son who then starts obsessing about his batting average. Not too many high school coaches give a sh*t about your batting average in the fall of your 12U baseball season.

8. RENT A PLAYER/JUST GETTING REPS GUY- This is the dad who thinks that little Bobby needs to play every weekend because he seems to think that despite little Bobby's crappy mechanics and lack of baseball I.Q. he will just naturally get better by jist picking up every weekend. This is very similar to "helping a buddy's team our" guy. This is the dad who just wants to help out his buddy's team whos short handed this weekend yet inevitably ends up leaving his real team to play for the buddy who picked him up. And finally along the same lines is the dad who knows his kid is above average so he plays every weekend for multiple teams and does it almost always for free. Hence the term rent-a-player.

9. PACKAGE DEAL GUY- This is another parent who embodies many of the traits listed on this post. This is the dad whose son is an average baseball player. But in order for his son to make it on a roster of a team his daddy wants him to be on he has to align himself with a couple of the good players on the team. That way when he bails on that team he can approach the other team with a package deal that includes his son and the two above average players. The best part of this is when the coveted organization decides they only want one or two of the players in the package deal and the odd man out is the guy who garnered the deal in the first place. Priceless.

10. YOU TUBE BLEACHER INSTRUCTOR GUY- Once sgain this is another parent who more than likely encompasses several of traits on this list. This is the guy who made it as far as JV on his high school team but has been to enough lessons and watched enough you tube that he's basically an MLB manager. The best kind is the one whose son is batting ,200 and makes about 4 errors a game yet there the dad is instructing his heart out from the stands hoping something with click.

11. ROSTER GUY- This is the dad that can tell you the blood type of a player on an opposing 8U team that plays 45 miles away. The guy that spends more time online than he does practicing with his kid.

12. EQUIPMENT GUY- This is the dad who obsesses over the newest bats and gloves. The dad whose kid has 4 bats in his bag just in case he doesnt get a hit with one he can resort to 3 other ones that game. The guy whose kid has had a new glove so many times that it never gets time to break the glove in. He may also be the type of guy to drop over $800 on one bat.

13. POCKET RADAR GUN GUY- Although understanding how fast your son is throwing has become an obsession at the high school and collegiate levels its even worse at the younger levels. Little Bobby's dad and his velocity obsessed instructor jave gotten little Bobby up to 60mph and cannot wait to show it online. But even better is bringing the radar to the games of a 10 year old and having the kid asking during games "what am I throwing".

14. SOCIAL MEDIA GUY- This is the dad that tskes to Twitter and Facebook on a Monday to cry and criticize umpires, coaches and even other players. Who post videos of field conditions and opposong players pick off moves. This is the same guy whose son and coach made dozens of mistakes throughout the course of a tournament yet noone decided to post that to social media.

15. GOTTA TAKE LESSONS GUY- This is the dad who has to take lessons from the instructor who his son is playing for and then the minute he leaves that team hes on to another instructor. Who also thinks if little Bobby has a bad game we "gotta get him in for a lesson " before the next game! Like the lessons are the key to his success.

16. BLAME LESSONS GUY- Only thing worse than credit lessons guy is blame lessons guy. This is the guy whose son cant hit the broad side of a barn and is taking lessons from a guy who has helped put numerous people in college via their hitting but the 8 year old that hes working with just needs to be with a different instructor. Yet hes the same instructor who got hashtagged on social media becasue little Bobby hit a walk off grand slam. #bestcoacheverrrrrrr.

17. NEVER WATCHES PRACTICE GUY- This is the parent who drops their kid off at practice or sits in the car and then at tournaments wonders why little Bobby is on the bench. This is the guy who will walk up to the coach during a game and ask why is little Bobby sitting the bench. Has no clue that little Bobby has t fielded two balls in a row at practice since the Nixon administration.

18. OVERLY POSITIVE MOM- This is usually a mom or multiple moms who no matter what mistakes or series of mistakes happen in a game the response is apmost always "thats alright" or "nobody hurt". Thinking somehow this overly positive affirmation will erase those mistakes and/or cause them to stay postive on the field and overcome those mistakes. When those same mistakes are made time and time again at practice and eventually at a tryout for a team theyre wanting to make. This is the parent that inevitably tries to protect their son from mistakes and the feelings that come with those mistakes. Sometimes you gotta take the L so it hurts bad enough that ypu never want to make that mistake again.

19. NAIVE NEWBY- This is the parent who is new to the select ball experience and is just happy to be there. Still fresh off their last league ball season and carried those same orange slices and capri sun mentality to their new select team. Most parents especially moms start off in this stage and slowly but surely become one of the many traits listed above. Although this isnt one of the most toxic traits it can hender a team who is made up of players and parents who have their eyes on the prize.

20. SELFISH CHEERLEADER- This is the parent who only focuses on where their kid is playing in the field and where hes batting in the lineup. And will go as far as only cheering for their kid. This is also the parent who demands perfection from the defense while little Bobby is on the mound. Even though little Bobby makes more errors than the entire team combined.

21. EXCUSES R US- This the the parent(and eventually kid) who will come up with every excuse in the book as to why little Bobby makes mistakes. Quick to blame umpires, coaches, instructors, other players amd even sleep schedules! The rarely if ever hold their child accountable to which that child then never has to hold himself accountable.

HONORABLE MENTIONS:
Talks to their kid on deck, He's not playing in college anyway so who cares, heres your Gatorade, playing for this coach will give us a leg up on making the high school team. And probably many more.

The most common thing I hear from parents once their child has stopped playing baseball for many years is the wish they could just watch them play one more time. They remember the days of loading up the car and headed to the field. Theyd give anything to have just one more weekend. So if you've read all the way to this point just remember you only have a small window that you can watch your kid play this beautiful game. Some of you have mutiple kids who play and you learn from the oldest kid. My hope is that you look at this list and not become one or many of these traits. Cheer your team on. Save your complaints for when youre not in front of your child. And if you have real concerns about your childs development go directly to the head coach and discuss them. And if theres still a major disagreement then start to look for another place to play. Good luck and Ill talk to you soon.

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I’m also familiar with a lot of these guys. I’d say the closest I come to any of them would be equipment guy. Not really to blame the equipment for a poor performance, but more to have backup gear. The most I’ve spent on a bat was $500 for the Meta but I probably wouldn’t hesitate to spend more. Same goes for gloves and catcher gear. I think my youth experience of having everything from Play it Again and hand me downs has something to do with my gear obsession.

Overall I would say Big Money Bob is by far the worst. My son has been offered spots now on a couple teams where the owner’s kid is not very good but plays 2b and bats 9th. BMB pays the parents monthly + expenses  for PG100 kids to play for them. Son played one game for one of the teams and after the game we both said “nope” and drove home.

I have a few more ...

1) The parent who doesn’t understand their kid is placed in situations he can succeed and not in situations he will fail. Then when the kid hits .400 against #5 pitchers dad bitches the kid doesn’t bat cleanup every game.

2) The mom who tries to wedge her way into being team mom figuring it will get her kid a better position and/or more playing time.

3) The dad who has the balls to tell you (the coach) specifically which kids his kid is better than even if it isn’t close to reality.

4) The dad whose kid walks the bases full then openly blames the kid who makes the error that runs scored.

5) The mom the corners you on why her kid doesn’t play a certain position. When you explain in detail where he needs improvement she sics her husband on you for insulting their kid. Until then dad had kept his distance because he understood reality.

6) The dad who tells you his kid was too busy playing for another team to come to practice. Therefore it’s not his fault he doesn’t know the new defensive signals and pickoff plays.

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There is definitely alot of these types of parents out there. Baseball is definitely " Live Theater" and not just on the field!

Here's another type of Dad: The one who was Assistant Coach several times in League Ball, then volunteered to be Head Coach once-His team WON first Place, now he does want to coach again. Doesn't want to ruin his record!

Wait a Second-I think i know that guy . I thinks its me!

LOL

We had “The Jury” at our high school games. They were four former rec ball coaches who didn’t play college ball (don’t think two of them played high school ball) who knew more baseball (legends in their own minds) than the head coach who was a former D2 All American. They had no problem telling parents discreetly what the coach didn’t know. As a former college player and a successful 16u travel coach my only response to parents was, “There’s more than one way to win a game.”

I felt the team didn’t utilize its assets properly. But I kept my mouth shut. How can you argue with a second and two conference championships for a program that had won nothing in the previous twenty years before this coach arrived? The Jury did.

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@RJM I love parent 1. I was always the head coach and handled administration. My “assistant” played in college and to this day is the best coach my son has had. He would call pitches and never threw anything but fastballs to 7-9. The 7 would run into one every now and then and dad thinks he should move up. If it were early in the season I would do it just so they could see what happens. That would usually shut them up for the season.

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Great post.  I know all of them and could put names on them right away from our teams (sometime my own).  Some people just cannot help themselves. What I didn't  know and is most shocking, because most of these guys are harmless:  money bags guy can blow up teams and  buy his way onto P5 college teams -- have seen it several times how.

Learned from coaching my oldest to 15u  to become a spectator/cheerleader/guy who grabs coffee for everyone and drives kids who need rides by the time #2 that age.   Still do text a few guys too often when we see stupid stuff on twitter, like impossible velocities and #P5 schools from the dad whose kid is just OK.

When my kids are done I'll find a way to be involved: umpire or coach at youth level.  A friend of mine says  he is going to retire by moving to Cooperstown and umpiring games all summer.

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I can put a name with all of these. I guess I’m the “anti-social parent”.  That’s what my wife and many others call me.


It started with my oldest-I got tired of listening to parents outside the lines so I sat by myself in the opposite outfield of son’s dugout. I often listened to music or sports on my phone and enjoy the game. I continue to do this with my youngest.

Occasionally I’ll get, “You aren’t very social” or “Mind if I join you? Our parents are crazy”. To the first statement, “I’ll socialize at a bar or restaurant but I’m came to enjoy baseball today.” The second usually ends with, “Hey, stop b!tching. That’s why I sit out here”, and they leave.

I can still picture the day in 8th grade my son went off on his mother for cheerleading after he failed. He hits left. He hit a long, lazy fly to left with the bases loaded and two outs. The left fielder backed up about five feet to make the catch.

Mom: Way to hit the ball a long way?

Him: Shut up! You don’t know what you’re talking about. The pitcher fooled me. He got me on my front foot. It doesn’t matter how far you hit the ball if you’re an easy out. I left runners on base.

It was the last time mom cheerleaded when it wasn’t a positive situation.

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How do you raise your kid’s stats fifty points? Keep the book for the team. Another parent noted as the kid was growing up he led every team he played for in hitting. The dad batted the lineup by batting average and made sure everyone knew what he was doing. The coach/scorekeeper’s kid led off every game he ever played for teams dad coached.

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Well not baseball, but same deal. I coached a kids team in the ARMY. We were really good!. Avg score of the season was 35-3.

Chaplains wife actually complained to me that the "boys need to learn to lose also".

Well I was a 2LT and she was a Col wife so I could not tell her she needed to find another team, but my tongue is still sore.

Wisdom is often discovered years later.   My youngest son's high school coach was known throughout the Commonwealth, USA Baseball,  and nationally for his travel team.   During the high school baseball season, he wouldn't allow parents to come to tryouts.  He'd put up a chain outside the dugout so parents could not enter...God help you if you went to tryouts or brought little Johnny a Gatorade in the dugout.  The boundaries were very clear.   He held his players accountable and responsible for their school work and behavior at all times.   All of his asst coaches, scorekeeper, etc.. were his guys.   

My two oldest sons played many games against this high school coach and I always thought it was "odd" at the time how he ran his program.   It was years later that I would find out he was a genius, and avoided all the toxic parent pitfalls listed here.   Unfortunately baseball coaches need to go to these lengths to treat young men like they should be treated at home.

I had "my son's an angel" mom on my team. Single mom, two kids (one younger daughter). Son could do no wrong in her eyes. he was the total eddie haskel in front of her and a total adam henry away from her (13u...early puberty on a team of normal/late developing kids).

as a parent I talk to the coach a lot...about bbq.  we're both total grill-heads.

I'll thrown in a couple of fathers whose kids my son played with multiple years.

The Velo Guy - constantly overstated how hard his kid threw.  One day he cornered me in the outfield bleachers to tell me about the last showcase that they went to.  While he was talking I pulled up the kid's profile on my phone that had the showcase results.  He saw that I was looking at the profile, could see that the actual MPH was right in front of me and still inflated it by 5 MPH.

The Earned Run Guy - Another pitcher's dad.  This kid was a good pitcher who always pitched to contact.  Needless to say every ball in play should have been caught and every run was unearned.  He'd tell me "J. pitched a shutout" and when I dug he'd say "Oh - meant zero EARNED runs".

@K9 posted:

I'll thrown in a couple of fathers whose kids my son played with multiple years.

The Velo Guy - constantly overstated how hard his kid threw.  One day he cornered me in the outfield bleachers to tell me about the last showcase that they went to.  While he was talking I pulled up the kid's profile on my phone that had the showcase results.  He saw that I was looking at the profile, could see that the actual MPH was right in front of me and still inflated it by 5 MPH.

The Earned Run Guy - Another pitcher's dad.  This kid was a good pitcher who always pitched to contact.  Needless to say every ball in play should have been caught and every run was unearned.  He'd tell me "J. pitched a shutout" and when I dug he'd say "Oh - meant zero EARNED runs".

Here’s an example of why high school stats are a farce ...

I was the scorekeeper for our high school team. With two on, two out the third baseman fields a grounder, holds the ball a split second and the hitter beat the grow to first. Holding the ball a split second is not an error. But, correctly the inning would have been over.

The next hitter smacks a granny. The four earned runs cost the pitcher the ERA title, or should have.

The father assaulted me. He started shoving me around. I kept telling him to go away before he does something really stupid. He had to be restrained. This is what happens when dad is a poster child for Springsteen’s Glory Days. He was still talking about his high school days every game.

That night the coach changed the book to reflect an error and four unearned runs. The kid won the conference ERA title.

The following year I gave the book to “pad my kid’s stats” dad.

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Ugh.  Obviously assault is WAY over the line and impossible to defend, but this story does spring forth another parent type for the list - "Strict Adherence To Every Baseball Rule At All Times Parent."

At the of risk of getting pelted with electronic rotten vegetables, I'm okay with that kid (NOT the parent) ending up with the conference ERA title in this case unless this was just one of multiple instances with the same kid and season.  The stats largely are a farce, but drawing a hard line on this one instance won't change the fact that fibbing and corner-cutting was happening across that entire conference all season long.  It doesn't make any of it right, but it's an inescapable part of the game.  I can respect any person who is a stickler for the rules, just so long as they're a stickler for ALL rules.  If you're driving 26 mph in a 25 zone, you're breaking the rules.

I think it’s a huge mistake for any coach to let a parent of any player be in charge of GC or the official scorebook. Besides being biased, most parents don’t know the rules well enough to be an official scorekeeper. Parents that are overly enthusiastic about keeping the book almost always have a (not so) hidden agenda. It becomes evident as the season evolves and it always creates hard feelings that are needless.

@adbono posted:

I think it’s a huge mistake for any coach to let a parent of any player be in charge of GC or the official scorebook. Besides being biased, most parents don’t know the rules well enough to be an official scorekeeper. Parents that are overly enthusiastic about keeping the book almost always have a (not so) hidden agenda. It becomes evident as the season evolves and it always creates hard feelings that are needless.

I kept score because I couldn’t make sense of the book of the girl in the dugout. I maintained the website and accumulated the stats. So after having to call a friend and ask him what he remembered about a play or did he have it on tape I kept a book.

The coach liked the accuracy. He also asked me to write the first draft of newspaper article of the game. I wrote an objective article. But, given my son was the star hitter some parents complained he was getting too much print.

It didn’t upset me. I was amused. An article in a 9-4 win was changed to Bob and Bill led the way with two hits apiece. At the end if the article, RJM Jr added three hits and five RBI’s.

@Consultant posted:

Adbono;

The team scorebook should be always assigned to a pitcher who will pitch the next game. This provides his focus on the opposing team and their lineup.

Have you experienced the "white knuckle" male parent?

Bob

In high school you won’t see the same team for a couple of weeks or more. You have no idea who will be pitching. If it’s a top team chances are your stud is pitching today and the coach will set the rotation for him to pitch again the next time.

Also, in high school chances are the kid who might pitch the next time is playing short, center or first today.

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@Consultant posted:
  1. Bring up a JV pitcher Teach, Teach, Teach!

Teaching is the #1 thing missing in HS baseball.  Not enough HS coaches know the game well enough to teach it. I see it all the time and I can’t stand it - and it’s not like the travel ball scene is a lot better in that regard. Not much teaching going on there either. Scouting agencies (PG, PBR, etc.) add to the problem by promoting measurables as the means to getting recruited (which is bullsh$t) and by hyping kids above their level of ability. All that makes kids less teachable.

I got stuck doing GC for my son’s team in the spring. There were a few dads who would hover over me when there kid was up to make sure their contact was ruled a hit. The dad of a PO would sit next to me and I’d always ask him his thoughts on hits vs errors if there was a questionable call. The toughest part for me was assigning passed balls to my son catching. He didn’t have a PB for a year and now as a freshman had a couple. The pitchers would forget the signs with runners on 2b and throw the wrong pitch. Or in one case, just didn’t like what the coach called (he did strike the kid out, but the winning run scored).

I volunteered to do it again as the school is considering no fans at home games..... except for the GC admin.

I got stuck doing GC for my son’s team in the spring. There were a few dads who would hover over me when there kid was up to make sure their contact was ruled a hit. The dad of a PO would sit next to me and I’d always ask him his thoughts on hits vs errors if there was a questionable call. The toughest part for me was assigning passed balls to my son catching. He didn’t have a PB for a year and now as a freshman had a couple. The pitchers would forget the signs with runners on 2b and throw the wrong pitch. Or in one case, just didn’t like what the coach called (he did strike the kid out, but the winning run scored).

I volunteered to do it again as the school is considering no fans at home games..... except for the GC admin.

Yeah, I have some GC stories.  My favorite is when I get texts questioning my scores based on second hand knowledge.  "My parents said Johnny hit the ball real well, why is it an error?"  Also, when I ran into a catcher's interference, it took an hour to fix up all the mess that it initiated.  Still,  a very nice app, except my phone drains uber fast.

@FriarFred posted:

Its always fun to compare the opposing team GC vs. your teams GC.  It was always interesting to see  one score it a hit and the other an error depending on which side you were sitting...

This came up years ago for 12u allstars. This dude was trying to convince us to put his kid on the team because he had a .750 BA. He even came prepared with his GC stats. I also came with mine for the games we played them. Turns out according to their log, there wasn't a single error all year. Crazy!

"True Story"

Years ago, I was the #2 Radio Announcer for the Redwood Pioneers, new member in the Class California State Pro League.

Ken Korick now Oakland A's announcer was #1.

The official scorekeeper was in our booth.

During a game against the visiting Fresno Giants, the Home Team SS was charged with an error. Between innings he "charged" into the booth and said "NO ERROR"!!!!

He said, he would not advance to Class AA, if his "fielding average" was low. Of course the pitchers ERA would be effected, if the play was ruled a hit.

NO winners!!!!  Maybe the umpires should operate the scorebook.

Bob

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