I've always enjoyed a great view!
gotwood,
Thanks for the posting advise. I need an computer program like yours that churns out post after post.. that last pic was petrifying.
Thanks for the posting advise. I need an computer program like yours that churns out post after post.. that last pic was petrifying.
Computer program? What's a computer program?
You're right about the churning of posts Bum. This...if worked properly...
Can produce many, many of these...
If you can't quite put your finger on it then you'll have a hard time keeping up...that's for sure!
They say the pen is mightier than the sword, but a well conditioned digit is really something to reckon with!
You're right about the churning of posts Bum. This...if worked properly...
Can produce many, many of these...
If you can't quite put your finger on it then you'll have a hard time keeping up...that's for sure!
They say the pen is mightier than the sword, but a well conditioned digit is really something to reckon with!
I have a confession to make. I have been asking for everyone to suggest what the rules and procedure should be for voting, because the more I thought about this and compiled the list of nominees, I have also been uncomfortable that we would slight someone very deserving. There are so many people here who have helped so many others...where do you draw the line? 2? 3? 5? 10? 20? (And as I mentioned to someone privately, I would refuse to add my name to a Hall of Fame list even if voted in, because I am just the floor sweeper and mopper. I mean that very seriously.)
Just my two cents worth...
Just my two cents worth...
You missed a spot over by the Ohio / Kentucky / PA / WV Forum...they've had a lot of traffic through there lately and the floor is showing it. Time to clean it up.
As Gaffigan would say: "Chip, chop, chip!"
You'll need these mom...
The bucket is full of cold, dirty water...feel free to slop it on me. "Gardyloo!"
As Gaffigan would say: "Chip, chop, chip!"
You'll need these mom...
The bucket is full of cold, dirty water...feel free to slop it on me. "Gardyloo!"
MN-Mom,
No, you are the glue that holds us together. You are the star that guides us in the night. Baseball is such a glorious game: the players; the managers; the umpires; the organizers. There are so many.
But in the end, every mom like you who has cheered their child through glorious wins and who has comforted them through tear-jerking losses, who has brandished bandages and waited in line for late-night fast food to feed her tired player..
..without you, we are nothing.
My own mother is dying of Alzheimers. When I see her I can only remember a strikingly beautiful woman sitting patiently in a quiet corner of the stands, loving me regardless of the outcome. Even if I was 0-4, to her, I was an all-star. Today, I can now only sing to her favorite song to evoke a response.. "Row, row, row, your boat.."
And just for a moment, she remembers.
Julie, regardless of what you decide to do here, I just want to thank you on behalf of my mom and all moms like you who were there when it counted. For making HSBBW what it is.
And if we have a HSBBW Hall of Fame, it is not worthwhile unless you are part of it. I renominate you, and I declare my renomination to be irrevocable.
Members, I hope you all see that parting honor to people like Julie, like Bob, like the others that have been our friends and mentors through the years is a good thing. This is not saying they are unapproachable, or better than us, or segregated from us, or somehow on an alter that is unattainable by us.. it is just saying we care about them and we thank them for their contribution to baseball.
This site has done so much for so many baseball people. It has helped changed the lives of many players who may not have otherwise gotten scholarships or who might not have otherwise have had the motivation to perservere despite their doubts. It has also been a forum where we share our failures, our ideas, even our prayers.
That is no small thing!
HSBBW has changed lives. And today, I say it is not an embarassment, it is not pompous, and certainly it is not wrong to want to honor those that have made a difference.
No, you are the glue that holds us together. You are the star that guides us in the night. Baseball is such a glorious game: the players; the managers; the umpires; the organizers. There are so many.
But in the end, every mom like you who has cheered their child through glorious wins and who has comforted them through tear-jerking losses, who has brandished bandages and waited in line for late-night fast food to feed her tired player..
..without you, we are nothing.
My own mother is dying of Alzheimers. When I see her I can only remember a strikingly beautiful woman sitting patiently in a quiet corner of the stands, loving me regardless of the outcome. Even if I was 0-4, to her, I was an all-star. Today, I can now only sing to her favorite song to evoke a response.. "Row, row, row, your boat.."
And just for a moment, she remembers.
Julie, regardless of what you decide to do here, I just want to thank you on behalf of my mom and all moms like you who were there when it counted. For making HSBBW what it is.
And if we have a HSBBW Hall of Fame, it is not worthwhile unless you are part of it. I renominate you, and I declare my renomination to be irrevocable.
Members, I hope you all see that parting honor to people like Julie, like Bob, like the others that have been our friends and mentors through the years is a good thing. This is not saying they are unapproachable, or better than us, or segregated from us, or somehow on an alter that is unattainable by us.. it is just saying we care about them and we thank them for their contribution to baseball.
This site has done so much for so many baseball people. It has helped changed the lives of many players who may not have otherwise gotten scholarships or who might not have otherwise have had the motivation to perservere despite their doubts. It has also been a forum where we share our failures, our ideas, even our prayers.
That is no small thing!
HSBBW has changed lives. And today, I say it is not an embarassment, it is not pompous, and certainly it is not wrong to want to honor those that have made a difference.
Bum - that was an awfully nice post that invoked an emotional response from me this morning. I am sorry to hear about your mother. My thoughts and prayers go out to her and your family.
I agree with what you said regarding Julie and your other thoughts as well.
I agree with what you said regarding Julie and your other thoughts as well.
Bum,....I'll keep it short and simple.
Bottom line,
...you're a class act,...& you're a keeper!!!
( Beeez,....thanks for having my back!!! Ya made me smile!!! )
Bottom line,
...you're a class act,...& you're a keeper!!!
( Beeez,....thanks for having my back!!! Ya made me smile!!! )
quote:This site has done so much for so many baseball people. It has helped changed the lives of many players who may not have otherwise gotten scholarships or who might not have otherwise have had the motivation to perservere despite their doubts. It has also been a forum where we share our failures, our ideas, even our prayers.
That is no small thing!
HSBBW has changed lives. And today, I say it is not an embarassment, it is not pompous, and certainly it is not wrong to want to honor those that have made a difference.
Bum, that was just perfect.
I must go back and remember Chill and HotMama, Catchermom03, and highlandermom - now known as futurediamondback something (sorry maryann), AParent, 03Parent, 02^04Mom
Always like what these guys were offering: Fungo, Jemaz, Bighhit15, rbinaz, bbscout, BigWi, OldVaMan.
If I am not mistaken, Chill's son, Jack,senior LHP at St Anselm's is one of the team captains this year
quote:Originally posted by shortstopmom:
( Beeez,....thanks for having my back!!! Ya made me smile!!! )
You've presented a very powerful and persuasive argument for going forward with your HSBBW Hall of Fame idea Bum.
Those among us who have truly given back to the game and have helped and inspired players and families with their efforts to climb to the next level should be recognized for their contributions.
These fine and solid contributors, both past and present, are very humble and we need to accept this fact. That is one reason why they are so fine and steady...they're good people and we all know it. Humbleness, viewed in it's best sense, should not be a stumbling block.
If the Hall of Fame is viewed negatively then, even with good intentions, it will not work. The challenge really is to accept the Hall of Fame for what it is...a positive recognition by us for those members we deem have exceeded the norm and achieved and set a higher standard.
Let's determine just what these higher standards are and nominate contributors who are truly worthy. Initially I think that old timers as defined by their length of time as a member of the HSBBW should be allowed to vote. The length of that membership is something we need to agree on. Anyone should be allowed to nominate...their candidate just needs to measures up to the standards we have agreed upon in order to have a shot at being voted in.
Those of us who are ineligible to cast a vote on this initial ballot will have to wait until we have been a member for the appropriate time.
There are lots of details certainly, but if we can agree on a structure that is mostly black and white as opposed to gray and murky then we should have a workable HSBBW Hall of Fame that has value and longevity.
Dare I put forth the idea of forming a committee to study and eventually formulate just what the structure should be? I guess I just did. "Many hands make light work." I always thought it was the fine folks at Commonwealth Edison who made the lights work.
If built in the spirit that Bum intended then it should work. It would be a lasting and valuable asset to the HSBBW. Putting it together such that we can all more or less agree on it's structure will be the hardest part.
Does this make sense? Are we up to the task? Certainly we know there are wonderful, yet humble, people here who have, or had, a very positive impact on players, families, and felow members. That much we can assuredly agree on.
Standards for worthiness and consideration will be largely agreed upon in advance, This should reduce or perhaps eliminate any of the thorny details that could lead to problems.
I can imagine that all good and solid contributing members will eventually be recognized and voted into the HSBBW Hall of Fame.
Thoughts? Ideas? Ammo?
Those among us who have truly given back to the game and have helped and inspired players and families with their efforts to climb to the next level should be recognized for their contributions.
These fine and solid contributors, both past and present, are very humble and we need to accept this fact. That is one reason why they are so fine and steady...they're good people and we all know it. Humbleness, viewed in it's best sense, should not be a stumbling block.
If the Hall of Fame is viewed negatively then, even with good intentions, it will not work. The challenge really is to accept the Hall of Fame for what it is...a positive recognition by us for those members we deem have exceeded the norm and achieved and set a higher standard.
Let's determine just what these higher standards are and nominate contributors who are truly worthy. Initially I think that old timers as defined by their length of time as a member of the HSBBW should be allowed to vote. The length of that membership is something we need to agree on. Anyone should be allowed to nominate...their candidate just needs to measures up to the standards we have agreed upon in order to have a shot at being voted in.
Those of us who are ineligible to cast a vote on this initial ballot will have to wait until we have been a member for the appropriate time.
There are lots of details certainly, but if we can agree on a structure that is mostly black and white as opposed to gray and murky then we should have a workable HSBBW Hall of Fame that has value and longevity.
Dare I put forth the idea of forming a committee to study and eventually formulate just what the structure should be? I guess I just did. "Many hands make light work." I always thought it was the fine folks at Commonwealth Edison who made the lights work.
If built in the spirit that Bum intended then it should work. It would be a lasting and valuable asset to the HSBBW. Putting it together such that we can all more or less agree on it's structure will be the hardest part.
Does this make sense? Are we up to the task? Certainly we know there are wonderful, yet humble, people here who have, or had, a very positive impact on players, families, and felow members. That much we can assuredly agree on.
Standards for worthiness and consideration will be largely agreed upon in advance, This should reduce or perhaps eliminate any of the thorny details that could lead to problems.
I can imagine that all good and solid contributing members will eventually be recognized and voted into the HSBBW Hall of Fame.
Thoughts? Ideas? Ammo?
Bum,
Your story of your mother is incredibly touching. I sent you a PM.
Julie
Your story of your mother is incredibly touching. I sent you a PM.
Julie
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Ya'll
As a relative "newbie" I'm not sure this is my place but I AM sure that such a move deserves some real thought....While there is no denying that here are some giants here...and with all due respects, and admiration for those considered...lets swim against the stream for a moment...
- An excellent observation from the Woodman. It does already exist. And works. Naturally. And one might say comfortably.
- Institutionlizing that HOF? It has been my experience that the very nature of instiutionalization changes things. Usually for the worse.
- "Standards for worthiness and consideration will be largely agreed upon in advance..." Longevity? Popularity? # of posts? I remind you that this is not baseball where the statistics are at least a starting point. "But it's really not all that hard 44...we all know a great post/****/great art when we see it" Right.
- Longevity. Always found it distasteful in business, or sports when longevity and or politics is valued over performance simply for longevities and politics sake, and particularly when such is instiutionalized.
- Contribution? "No, no, no, 44 you have it all wrong, this is on the basis on contribution...." Whose to say what contribution is valued more than another? That is one of the beauties of this place. Outside of Bob and Mn-Mom whose extra contributions are undeniable.. ...Everybody brings something unique. Some frequently. Some infrequently. Some loud. Some soft. All equal.
- Content? Does this make the post of an Old Timer any less valuable than a HOF? Regardless of content?
- Change in concept? Does this alter the goal to become to reach those ego/perfromance/status platforms rather than simply wanting to help? Or not be willing to offer the converse side of a discussions for fear that you may make the wrong posters, or the powerful angry? Will this homogneize a great deal of the content? Will it put power to petty jelousy?
- Borderlines? There are some awfully amazing people who lurk here, or post infrequently yet who have contributed mightily. Does this make them any less important? What about thsoe who have made real contributions but not engendered themselves into the voting public? Will they remain feeling slighted? Slip away?
I believe it was telling and wonderful that so many have been nominated. As John Lennon said in the song Instant Karma, "Who in the H*** do you think you are? A superstar? well right you are..." Well my friends, as it sits we are all superstars. Is that such a bad thing?
As a compromise I would suggest that if the BSBBW does so that the the numbers be kept very, very low.
Again I am not strongly into one view or another. But I am sure that the HSBBW works beautifully as it sits. And I am sure that the HOF idea needs to be REALLY looked at from all sides and for some time before you risk the Golden Goose.
There, I've said it and risked my hope for any future honors which is my point exactly...
With respect,
44
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Ya'll
As a relative "newbie" I'm not sure this is my place but I AM sure that such a move deserves some real thought....While there is no denying that here are some giants here...and with all due respects, and admiration for those considered...lets swim against the stream for a moment...
quote:Whether a HSBBW Hall of Fame comes to fruition in cyber space or not, it certainly already exists in many of the member's mind...that is evident.
- An excellent observation from the Woodman. It does already exist. And works. Naturally. And one might say comfortably.
- Institutionlizing that HOF? It has been my experience that the very nature of instiutionalization changes things. Usually for the worse.
- "Standards for worthiness and consideration will be largely agreed upon in advance..." Longevity? Popularity? # of posts? I remind you that this is not baseball where the statistics are at least a starting point. "But it's really not all that hard 44...we all know a great post/****/great art when we see it" Right.
- Longevity. Always found it distasteful in business, or sports when longevity and or politics is valued over performance simply for longevities and politics sake, and particularly when such is instiutionalized.
- Contribution? "No, no, no, 44 you have it all wrong, this is on the basis on contribution...." Whose to say what contribution is valued more than another? That is one of the beauties of this place. Outside of Bob and Mn-Mom whose extra contributions are undeniable.. ...Everybody brings something unique. Some frequently. Some infrequently. Some loud. Some soft. All equal.
- Content? Does this make the post of an Old Timer any less valuable than a HOF? Regardless of content?
- Change in concept? Does this alter the goal to become to reach those ego/perfromance/status platforms rather than simply wanting to help? Or not be willing to offer the converse side of a discussions for fear that you may make the wrong posters, or the powerful angry? Will this homogneize a great deal of the content? Will it put power to petty jelousy?
- Borderlines? There are some awfully amazing people who lurk here, or post infrequently yet who have contributed mightily. Does this make them any less important? What about thsoe who have made real contributions but not engendered themselves into the voting public? Will they remain feeling slighted? Slip away?
I believe it was telling and wonderful that so many have been nominated. As John Lennon said in the song Instant Karma, "Who in the H*** do you think you are? A superstar? well right you are..." Well my friends, as it sits we are all superstars. Is that such a bad thing?
As a compromise I would suggest that if the BSBBW does so that the the numbers be kept very, very low.
Again I am not strongly into one view or another. But I am sure that the HSBBW works beautifully as it sits. And I am sure that the HOF idea needs to be REALLY looked at from all sides and for some time before you risk the Golden Goose.
There, I've said it and risked my hope for any future honors which is my point exactly...
With respect,
44.
quote:There, I've said it and risked my hope for any future honors which is my point exactly...
I nominate ob44 for having the courage to say that
Seriously, anytime we contemplate a change on this site we are confronted with those same issues. I was against adding all the new forums for fear that it might detract from the overall appearance of the site and thus its utility - a conservative approach if you will. My view was in the minority and the site changed and it seems to have grown. Certain forums like after high school seemed to have suffered after the change. Others like the hitting and coaches forums have seemd to grow. Thus, change can be good and/or bad depending on one's perspective.
Look, OPP already is a hall of famer in title and he appears to get along fine with everyone else. I don't sense an intimidation factor there but could be wrong about that. I sent my votes to Julie in private so as not to hurt anyone's feelings. I think Woody has provided some good ideas on the subject but also understand what Bee> and Moc1 are saying. I am fine either way we all decide.
There he is again...still glorious, still magnificent!
is again...still glorious, still magnificent! quote:When I went into my Wayback Machine, I recalled that shortly after I joined this message board, a particular player's pop's son had been called up to the official Major League. That player's pop's designation changed at that time from "Old Timer" to "Hall of Fame"--because his son MADE IT!!!!
I thought it was a great designation for those lucky websters then, and I still think it's a great designation now.
Play baseball posted this in another thread........