Players also deserve the opportunity to play the game during the summer away from their HS coach . All winter and spring ..sometimes fall also ... together . Thats a lot of time . How much more is he going to get from the HS guy in the summer ? Enough is enough . Most likely , the player can achieve more by getting a different perspective of the game from his travel , legion coach , whoever . I know my it allowed my kid to grow and prosper the last few summers away from his HS guy . The end result is that it benefits both parties in the long run . Some of these rocket scientists need to start loking out for the players best interest ...not just their own . That whole team unity argument that guys like playball try to use ?....way overrated . But what would i know ? ..im just some mope outside the lines .
Baseballdad54
Good luck in misissippi
we will be in battle creek this weekend
quote:Good coaches obviously have done some study that most parents haven't, and hopefully they have some extra specialized knowlege. BUT, rocket science it aint. Parents have played ball at different levels and have been coached and seen coaching and I have seen hundreds of basball games up close. I don't need a radar gun to see who is throwing 90 and who is in the mid 80's and who is high 70's. I know a good swing when I see it. I can tell if a fielder is taking a proper angle to the ball, and if they have a good arm or not. I also can tell where stronger or weaker competition is.
Funny how you just proved my point, your exactly right those are the things you can see from outside the fence line. Thanks. I am sorry you and Mr. Nobody are offended but your stance considers only one. My question to you is simple after your sons team loses, but he had an impressive day, how do you really feel? You can talk as though team unity is non-existent, but I think you know better. I too had the same opportunity as Coach Napoleon and Coach Toledo but chose otherwise because it would not have significantly impacted my players.
I feel proud of my son and sad that the team lost. What's your point?
Please let us know some of the secret things you see inside the fence. I don't understand what you mean by, "your stance considers only one". One what?
Just because you chose differently than the other coaches doesn't make you right and them wrong. Napoleon must make some correct decisions considering his team's and individual player's success. Maybe you should revaluate who is doing more for their kida and thier team instead of just defending your decisions.
Mr. Nobody, good luck to you guys as well. We are 27-6-2. Playing really good ball. Jr. is 47 of his last 73 on base as lead off hitter with a couple of dingers. We are usually playing with wood.
Please let us know some of the secret things you see inside the fence. I don't understand what you mean by, "your stance considers only one". One what?
Just because you chose differently than the other coaches doesn't make you right and them wrong. Napoleon must make some correct decisions considering his team's and individual player's success. Maybe you should revaluate who is doing more for their kida and thier team instead of just defending your decisions.
Mr. Nobody, good luck to you guys as well. We are 27-6-2. Playing really good ball. Jr. is 47 of his last 73 on base as lead off hitter with a couple of dingers. We are usually playing with wood.
quote:Just because you chose differently than the other coaches doesn't make you right and them wrong. Napoleon must make some correct decisions considering his team's and individual player's success. Maybe you should revaluate who is doing more for their kida and thier team instead of just defending your decisions.
BBDad, How did this turn into me vs. other coaches?You are right, you are not a rocket scientist, so I hope I can spell this out so even you can understand. If you read my post, I credit those coaches because it significantly enhances their programs. Their legion is one school, one community. I was not afforded that opportunity, So I chose to support my programs interest. I can only wish to have half a track record of Mike Napoleon, however his situation is completely different, again the stuff you fail to see from inside the fence line. Lastly, if I told you it wouldn't be a secret. Your position (stance)is about JR and JR only, maybe you should re-evaluate your responses. I would think from outside the fence line you would have a broader focus. But as you have proven. It is narrow. No shock.
You pm me that I made a personal attack, then you make a personal attack. Interesting.
here is nothing in any of your posts where you credit those coaches. You say you didn't do legion because,"it would not have significantly impacted my players". How is that giving them credit?
I say nothing about my kid's choices of where he played. I simply sent something to Mr. Nobody, who is a friend of mine. It was not about this topic at all.
Your attacks make no sense to me so I a done with the debate on this subject. You are the kind that will carry this on forever as long as you get the last word. Also, I didn't say I wasn't a rocket scientist, I said baseball isn't rocket science, read the post.
here is nothing in any of your posts where you credit those coaches. You say you didn't do legion because,"it would not have significantly impacted my players". How is that giving them credit?
I say nothing about my kid's choices of where he played. I simply sent something to Mr. Nobody, who is a friend of mine. It was not about this topic at all.
Your attacks make no sense to me so I a done with the debate on this subject. You are the kind that will carry this on forever as long as you get the last word. Also, I didn't say I wasn't a rocket scientist, I said baseball isn't rocket science, read the post.
I will mention at this point what Jr did do. He played hs ball and travel ball. His hs coaches, Tichy and Toledo both wanted him to be the best player he cold be. He didn't make every hs summer game, but he made most of them. His travel coach is a great hs coach named Rich Pildes. Jr has been extremly lucky to have those three coaches guide him and let him grow and improve.
Good Luck against Warren, Coach.
Playball
It is truly disappointing to read the way in which you have chosen to conduct yourself in this thread . Dismissing our opinions as nothing more than coming from people " outside the fence lines " is nothing but disrespectful . Just because we might not be a HS baseball coach does not mean we dont know what the heck we are talking about. Other posters actually substantiated and validated some of the main points i tried to make . What more evidence do you need ? It seems that you cannot handle anyone disagreeing with your point of view .Why feel a need to put our opinions down in the manner in which you did ? You come off as if you are above it all . Youre way is not the only way .
It is truly disappointing to read the way in which you have chosen to conduct yourself in this thread . Dismissing our opinions as nothing more than coming from people " outside the fence lines " is nothing but disrespectful . Just because we might not be a HS baseball coach does not mean we dont know what the heck we are talking about. Other posters actually substantiated and validated some of the main points i tried to make . What more evidence do you need ? It seems that you cannot handle anyone disagreeing with your point of view .Why feel a need to put our opinions down in the manner in which you did ? You come off as if you are above it all . Youre way is not the only way .
On the lighter side, Warren advances to Naperville by winning the Palatine Summer Regional for the 2nd year in a row, beating host Palatine today, 6-2. Warren pitchers did a great job during the regional with wins by Kennedy, Schneider, Johnson and Kenney. Schneider threw a complete game no-hitter against St Pats and Kennedy was on the mound at the end of three of the four games, including both of today's games. Clutch hitting as always by 3B Kevin Colburn and great devensive play throughout.
Well. . . there you have it. Warren must have won because of all the invaluable and amazingly incomparable travel ball experiences.
Too bad those Palatine kids did not get to experience the Xanadu that is legion and travel baseball. It obviously cost them in this tournament.
Yeah, I am laying it on pretty thick.
Too bad those Palatine kids did not get to experience the Xanadu that is legion and travel baseball. It obviously cost them in this tournament.
Yeah, I am laying it on pretty thick.
quote:It is truly disappointing to read the way in which you have chosen to conduct yourself in this thread . Dismissing our opinions as nothing more than coming from people " outside the fence lines " is nothing but disrespectful . Just because we might not be a HS baseball coach does not mean we dont know what the heck we are talking about. Other posters actually substantiated and validated some of the main points i tried to make .
I have conducted my self accordingly and in accordance with the random responses that continue to appear on this thread. If I have dismissed your opinions why have I responded to them. I am simply providing another perspective, one to which you are not familiar with, unless you are a HS coach. I have never claimed to have all of the answers and never will. I am sorry that you and baseball dad struggle with an honest response. I am not sure what you do for living but I am confident you would support what you do and not allow others to believe that it is insignificant.
quote:Originally posted by ballyall:
Well. . . there you have it. Warren must have won because of all the invaluable and amazingly incomparable travel ball experiences.
Too bad those Palatine kids did not get to experience the Xanadu that is legion and travel baseball. It obviously cost them in this tournament.
Yeah, I am laying it on pretty thick.
That's an understatement...though I can tell you that Palatine has a terrific Legion team...my odds-on favorite to win the Cook County Tournament. Now that we've been eliminated, I'm pulling for them as they're the only team we did not beat this season...class group of guys.
A legion team that has only 3 Palatine Players on it. Also my number one plays for the MC hurricanes.
quote:Originally posted by Playball2:
A legion team that has only 3 Palatine Players on it. Also my number one plays for the MC hurricanes.
So what's your point now? I was simply trying to pay a compliment where compliment's due. Sorry I offended you in the process...that certainly was not my intent.
Huh?, I was responding to the fact that the team has three of our players. You have not offended me, your compliment is greatly appreciated. They are good kids. Primarily Fremd players.
Why was Warren playing in the Palatine Regional in the first place?
Congrats to Kevin Colburn of Warren and Nick Bates of Sandburg on your teams making the Elite 8. Good luck next week.
This is Warren's second year of playing in the Palatine Regional, they did not want to be part of the pool play tournament that was set up by Carmel. Next year they will be back in the Carmel Regional it will move back to a single elimination tournament. There will be a summer league re-alignment. Warren is a quality baseball team, coaches and players are class people. Good luck to them as they move forward.
uh. . . . .ok . .. rip
Saturday night, two in the morning. Sitting at the keyboard typing away, undoubtedly with one hand, making derogatory remarks about high school baseball teams. Are you getting the picture? Or should I spell it out for you?
actually J
I was merely demonstrating how confused I was by ripcord's last post (which has sense been removed because it was nonsensical)
As for your astute observation regarding the time and day of the post and what that "meant"--if you imagined that I was up feeding my infant son, then you are correct. It was one-handed typing as well, for I had a comfortable cradle going with the other.
I love it when people think they know whats going on, but actually have no clue.
Well played J. . . Well played
I was merely demonstrating how confused I was by ripcord's last post (which has sense been removed because it was nonsensical)
As for your astute observation regarding the time and day of the post and what that "meant"--if you imagined that I was up feeding my infant son, then you are correct. It was one-handed typing as well, for I had a comfortable cradle going with the other.
I love it when people think they know whats going on, but actually have no clue.
Well played J. . . Well played
Altho Rips post was odd, I did see his point (kind of... and now I'm scared!)
After playball posted the explanation about Warren, I thought "so do you just pick your path to the elite eight, or what?" I guess just another oddity about summer ball.
However, not so different from travel ball, where it seemed EVERYONE qualified for some national tournament and we were never quite sure exactly how it happened!
I guess we just expect something a bit more "orderly" from high school ball!
After playball posted the explanation about Warren, I thought "so do you just pick your path to the elite eight, or what?" I guess just another oddity about summer ball.
However, not so different from travel ball, where it seemed EVERYONE qualified for some national tournament and we were never quite sure exactly how it happened!
I guess we just expect something a bit more "orderly" from high school ball!
good point my three sons--
I guess i just expect a little something more orderly from a post ABOUT high school baseball.
I guess i just expect a little something more orderly from a post ABOUT high school baseball.
Ball, If you want to own the response so clearly dedicated to rip, so be it. Don't recall your post making any derogatory remarks about teenage boys...so I don't really understand your confusion. But others on this site have commented about you being "a bit thick".
Regarding the paths taken to the elite 8, I believe it was Carmel who broke ranks and instituted pool play vs the standard single elimination play. If anything, I would think the coaches would rather play pool, as one bad game can send you home otherwise. Was the competition better in the Carmel regional? Don't have any idea, but if anyone has an opinion, feel free to voice it. I doubt that any of the teams we played didn't think they had a solid chance of beating us... Ask Playball.
Regarding the paths taken to the elite 8, I believe it was Carmel who broke ranks and instituted pool play vs the standard single elimination play. If anything, I would think the coaches would rather play pool, as one bad game can send you home otherwise. Was the competition better in the Carmel regional? Don't have any idea, but if anyone has an opinion, feel free to voice it. I doubt that any of the teams we played didn't think they had a solid chance of beating us... Ask Playball.
Carmel did start pool play several years ago, and I thought it was great idea. I just assumed it was a change make across the board, not just for one regional. I do agree that coaches would obviously prefer pool play, so I'm surprised to hear they're abandoning the format. Probably a bit more $$$ involved in the extra games, but otherwise it seems to be a preferred format.
In case anyone is interested in how this tourney has and is playing out. . . .
http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=329427
http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=329427
quote:I do agree that coaches would obviously prefer pool play, so I'm surprised to hear they're abandoning the format
Carmel pool play takes place in week 5 of the regular season. Teams are placed in 4 team pools. Any team that wins two of 3 games advances to week 6. Teams are seeded based on their spring finishes. This along with losing a full week of play did not fall in the favor of most coaches.
Any news from Naperville?
Rita 7, Warren 3. 0-0 until the fourth, when Rita plates 4. Warren responds with a run in the 5th, amd with bases loaded and two outs, a single to center brings home one run, and with another rounding third, the center fielder from Rita guns down the second run at the plate. EXCEPT, the ball gets away from the catcher before the tag is made, and is picked up by Rita's Coach, who is on the field for some reason, and kept from view of the umpire, who calls the runner out. Everyone sees what happened, including coaches and spectators in the stands and the place goes up for grabs. Rita's coach eventually admits picking up the LIVE ball and interfering with the play, and the second run is scored. Never heard anything like this, ever. Maybe someone can add some detail to this story as I was NOT at the game, and got my information second-hand. Why the coach was on the field to begin with, and interferred with the play at home is beyond me. Anyhow, Rita tacked on a couple more after the dust settled, and put the game out of reach. Warren plays Carmel at 10 am Tues, with the loser going home.
Ahh the Ol' Hidden Ball Trick, Classic. I know Coach Z practices this frequently because you never know when it might come into play. Sounds like it helped my boys win a big ball game today. Great timing.
Here's the link to the Daily Herald story:
Warren vs St. Rita
The coach says the ball "ended up in" his lap and he "acted by instinct". When does a coach instintively interfere with a live ball? Seems to me it would be just the opposite? Weird play indeed. Apparently he did eventually own up to it, but still... keep the coaches in the dugout!
Warren vs St. Rita
The coach says the ball "ended up in" his lap and he "acted by instinct". When does a coach instintively interfere with a live ball? Seems to me it would be just the opposite? Weird play indeed. Apparently he did eventually own up to it, but still... keep the coaches in the dugout!
quote:The coach says the ball "ended up in" his lap and he "acted by instinct".
Not to those who were there, this wasn't a play out of instinct, it was a covert act. No exaggeration. He had no choice but to own, but not until he tried to take the 3rd base coaches box the next half inning.
Shady Absolutely Shady
Covert act? Hmmm...A planned action? Lets see here. Mike Zunica had the foresight to see a play at the plate before it occured? No, I would have to disagree. Instinct yes, covert act, absolutely not. Let me clarify that I don't think it was right or fair. Let me take you back to the IHSA state championship game in Joliet, St.Rita vs. New Trier. HORRIBLE blown call at second base with a 3 man crew. IHSA/IHSCBA needs to step up the level of officials that are used in championship games. Again, before anyone says I am defending Zunica's actions, I am surely not.
Carl, he didn't flip the ball to the catcher, he hid the fact that he had the ball and then placed the ball in the glove of the catcher and ushered the catcher forward. No doubt about it. I can see it being instinctual up to the point of picking up the ball (reactionary), what he did from that point was covert. This is not on the officials, because if the ball is still loose than the players or coaches have a chance to point that out, Warren was never afforded that opportunity. If the official is guily of one thing it is that he did not ask to see the ball, per usually on a tag play at home plate.
Does anyone know the scores to Sandburg-Waubonsie and St.Rita-Downers? I have been looking on the bracket master website all afternoon and haven't seen any scores from today's winner bracket. Thank You.
Playball, in all honesty I agree with 95% of your recent post. Not to blame officials, I am an IHSA official, but "Let me see the ball" is a common quote I use on a bang-bang play at the plate, or 2nd, or 3rd base. Lets throw that into the mix. Right call is made, runner is ruled safe and additional run scores on ball into dugout. Deadball, 4-4 game, 2 outs. Back to reality, blown call, chaos ensues. Childish action of flipping ball to catcher to preserve "3rd" out. Two wrongs don't make a right. They fed off of each other, in my opinion, and take it as that, not anyone else's. Again, I am NOT defending Zunica's shenanigans.
This type of behavior from a coach absolutely sickens and angers me. How anyone can look the other way, and allow a person of such low values continue on as a role model, teacher and leader of young men, is beyond me.
Sports doesn't create character, it reveals it.
Fire the stupid, cheating S O B.
Sports doesn't create character, it reveals it.
Fire the stupid, cheating S O B.
Sandburg 5 Waubonsie Valley 4
Overheard Rita coaches laughing about it today.
Warren beats Carmel 7-6. After being charged with 4 runs through 1, Jeff Johnson hands off to Ryan Kennedy who holds Carmel scoreless for 5 innings, while Warren climbs back in with 5 in the 5th, including two off of a clutch double by Kennedy. Carmel touches Patrick Kenney for two in the seventh to go up one, and Warren answers with three in the the bottom half of the seventh on a game-ending bases-clearing double by Jake Economos with Carmel utilizing 5 infielers and the outfield pulled in.
Downers Grove South then shuts out Warren 3-0 to end Warren's season, as pitching runs out and the bats go into hibernation a few hours too early. Nice game thrown by the DGS pitcher, Matt Wivinis.
Another play of note today... Fast ball inside to Warren hitter, who jumps up to avoid ball and gets hit. Umpire says that since he didn't SUCCESSFULLY jump out of the way, he stays at the plate, and the pitch is a ball. I thought the ruling should be that an ATTEMPT was made to get out of the way and that the batter should be awarded first base.
Any opinions?
Warren beats Carmel 7-6. After being charged with 4 runs through 1, Jeff Johnson hands off to Ryan Kennedy who holds Carmel scoreless for 5 innings, while Warren climbs back in with 5 in the 5th, including two off of a clutch double by Kennedy. Carmel touches Patrick Kenney for two in the seventh to go up one, and Warren answers with three in the the bottom half of the seventh on a game-ending bases-clearing double by Jake Economos with Carmel utilizing 5 infielers and the outfield pulled in.
Downers Grove South then shuts out Warren 3-0 to end Warren's season, as pitching runs out and the bats go into hibernation a few hours too early. Nice game thrown by the DGS pitcher, Matt Wivinis.
Another play of note today... Fast ball inside to Warren hitter, who jumps up to avoid ball and gets hit. Umpire says that since he didn't SUCCESSFULLY jump out of the way, he stays at the plate, and the pitch is a ball. I thought the ruling should be that an ATTEMPT was made to get out of the way and that the batter should be awarded first base.
Any opinions?