I just heard a rumor that the top ranked player in Illinois ---Neuqua Valley pitcher --has been suspended for the High School season . Can anyone confirm this ? Reason ?
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@#$% !
I praise the administration for sticking to their guns and enforcing the rules despite the high standing of the player involved.
I want to echo JPontiac's comments. Too often, an infraction is looked past because of who the athlete is, how good they are, and how high profile the school's program is. Now, nothing against the individual involved, I am sure he is a good kid who made a bad choice, but I am happy the administration did not buckle under certain pressure from a number of sides.
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The suspension is severe, but the rules were clear.
I have much respect for the Neuqua Valley school administrators. The player and his team have learned a valuable lesson from this and all of them will be stronger as a result.
In the end it is a good experience.
The suspension is severe, but the rules were clear.
I have much respect for the Neuqua Valley school administrators. The player and his team have learned a valuable lesson from this and all of them will be stronger as a result.
In the end it is a good experience.
Two different issues at work here...
1. The rules of the school and their resolve to stick to them...which is very noble and laudable.
2. The rules of the school, and are they right and appropriate? Should the school have the right to reach out into the community and administer punishments for actions that have no relation to school activities?
By posing question #2, it in now way should absolve the student because he violated a rule in force and that has been and should be enforced.
The problem with schools overreaching is the same slippery slope we face whenever we give government authorities additional powers to govern & penalize. Once it starts, government continues to add new rules/laws/penalties as it deems in order to "help" us.
As an example...
Illinois signed into law the right to use unmanned cameras to take pictures of speeders in construction zones and mail them the tickets. This was to reduce speeding in work zones to obstensibly protect workers lives (there has been no change in road workers deaths since inception BTW). This proved so successful (read profitable), for the state, it then authorized use of unmanned cameras from parked state vehicles only, on any road. This eventually gave way to red light cameras that take pictures of people that drive through a red light and mail them tickets. Now towns everywhere are rushing to install red light cameras, basically creating $100 toll booths.
Do you think that government will be satisfied with that and quit sliding down the slippery slope?
Back to the HS. What is to prevent the HS from instituting a "no violence" policy? What if little Johnny shows up with a shiner and when a teacher overhears Johnny telling his buddy, " My brother, Jimmy, kicked the snot outta me the other day". Now the school has no context, but the strict no violence policy has to be dealt with.
Should government be allowed to define the role of parenting? Should schools be allowed to take parental rights away and put them in their own hands?
Do you really think that as long as administrators can claim, "it's for the good of the young person", that further government/school influence isn't on the horizon?
1. The rules of the school and their resolve to stick to them...which is very noble and laudable.
2. The rules of the school, and are they right and appropriate? Should the school have the right to reach out into the community and administer punishments for actions that have no relation to school activities?
By posing question #2, it in now way should absolve the student because he violated a rule in force and that has been and should be enforced.
The problem with schools overreaching is the same slippery slope we face whenever we give government authorities additional powers to govern & penalize. Once it starts, government continues to add new rules/laws/penalties as it deems in order to "help" us.
As an example...
Illinois signed into law the right to use unmanned cameras to take pictures of speeders in construction zones and mail them the tickets. This was to reduce speeding in work zones to obstensibly protect workers lives (there has been no change in road workers deaths since inception BTW). This proved so successful (read profitable), for the state, it then authorized use of unmanned cameras from parked state vehicles only, on any road. This eventually gave way to red light cameras that take pictures of people that drive through a red light and mail them tickets. Now towns everywhere are rushing to install red light cameras, basically creating $100 toll booths.
Do you think that government will be satisfied with that and quit sliding down the slippery slope?
Back to the HS. What is to prevent the HS from instituting a "no violence" policy? What if little Johnny shows up with a shiner and when a teacher overhears Johnny telling his buddy, " My brother, Jimmy, kicked the snot outta me the other day". Now the school has no context, but the strict no violence policy has to be dealt with.
Should government be allowed to define the role of parenting? Should schools be allowed to take parental rights away and put them in their own hands?
Do you really think that as long as administrators can claim, "it's for the good of the young person", that further government/school influence isn't on the horizon?
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: How come you don't like me?
Crash Davis: Because you don't respect yourself, which is your problem. But you don't respect the game, and that's my problem. You got a gift.
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: I got a what?
Crash Davis: You got a gift. When you were a baby, the Gods reached down and turned your right arm into a thunderbolt. You got a Hall-of-Fame arm, but you're ****ing it away.
Crash Davis: Because you don't respect yourself, which is your problem. But you don't respect the game, and that's my problem. You got a gift.
Ebby Calvin LaLoosh: I got a what?
Crash Davis: You got a gift. When you were a baby, the Gods reached down and turned your right arm into a thunderbolt. You got a Hall-of-Fame arm, but you're ****ing it away.
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"you're ****ing it away."
Let me guess..."you're throwing it away."
quote:Originally posted by NelsonGord:
You got a Hall-of-Fame arm, but you're ****ing it away.
"you're ****ing it away."
Let me guess..."you're throwing it away."
CPLZ-Wow. I think I can consolidate your response in one sentence. Playing baseball for your school is a priviledge not a right. These actions stem from the name on the front of the jersey. Those who don the uniform represent an entity other than themselves and are held to a level of decorum outside the walls of the school as well as inside. Since this is the athletes second offense I am confident that the criteria and consequences for the second offense was laid out very clearly. This has nothing to do with the school or government acting as a parent, in fact it gives parenting back to the parent.
In the presence of alcohol? What the HECK does that mean? Where can a kid go, as a social high school kid, where alchohol isn't present? Get real in this era!!
It said in the article that he didn't consume alcohol..if that's been confirmed then let him play..case closed.
What if the player happened to be sitting at dinner and his Mom or Dad decided that it would be nice to enjoy a couple of glasses of red wine with their cheeseburger?
CPLZ raises great points.
I'm tired of this high and mighty stuff about athletes vs. stuff that happens in life away from school. It's none of the schools business unless the person in question is obviously running wild and compromising the safety of others.
Let the parents do their jobs.
Sure, we need to keep an eye on things with regard to our yoots. Seems like the player went to a party and some kids were drinking...big deal. No matter the rules we make, endlessly trying to police the actions of our kids, trying to keep them from taking risks, checking out the world of the "adults"..the world they are about assume membership of..these rules are sometimes applied in unrealistic and unproductive ways.
Was he drinking? Apparently, no. Again..in the presence of alcohol? C'mon!!
Power and fortitude to the player, very talented kid who is being punished as an example..taking away what he loves doing, the thing that may-just-be, the "thing" that keeps him focused, responsible, healthy, occupied and off of the mean cul de sacs (insert: streets) of the suburbs of Chicago.
It said in the article that he didn't consume alcohol..if that's been confirmed then let him play..case closed.
What if the player happened to be sitting at dinner and his Mom or Dad decided that it would be nice to enjoy a couple of glasses of red wine with their cheeseburger?
CPLZ raises great points.
I'm tired of this high and mighty stuff about athletes vs. stuff that happens in life away from school. It's none of the schools business unless the person in question is obviously running wild and compromising the safety of others.
Let the parents do their jobs.
Sure, we need to keep an eye on things with regard to our yoots. Seems like the player went to a party and some kids were drinking...big deal. No matter the rules we make, endlessly trying to police the actions of our kids, trying to keep them from taking risks, checking out the world of the "adults"..the world they are about assume membership of..these rules are sometimes applied in unrealistic and unproductive ways.
Was he drinking? Apparently, no. Again..in the presence of alcohol? C'mon!!
Power and fortitude to the player, very talented kid who is being punished as an example..taking away what he loves doing, the thing that may-just-be, the "thing" that keeps him focused, responsible, healthy, occupied and off of the mean cul de sacs (insert: streets) of the suburbs of Chicago.
You guys probably aren't going to like this then...
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...00F0276?OpenDocument
http://www.stltoday.com/stltod...00F0276?OpenDocument
I don't think the steroid issue has anything to do with this.
Im sure there MUCH more to this story that hasnt been put out. I feel for the player but the bottom line is he made a mistake and everyone makes mistakes.
In the "presence" could me ALOT of things including consumption, possession, or other things. It doesnt sound like the family is doing anything other than the appeal.
I hope this life's lesson makes him a stronger person and he succeeds at the next level...........
In the "presence" could me ALOT of things including consumption, possession, or other things. It doesnt sound like the family is doing anything other than the appeal.
I hope this life's lesson makes him a stronger person and he succeeds at the next level...........
I'm sorry to hear & read what happened. I for one was looking forward to reading about his accomplishments this spring. However, I have to side with the school. Why is it that the rules and expectations are spelled out yet when someone violates then suddenly everyone is in an uproar?
We have a kid suspended for 20% of the played games (cancellations like today don't count) because he was caught with a cigar at one of the away basketball games.
Look, all our players are given a copy of the code of ethics. Both the players and the parents are required to sign and return a form stating they have read and understand the policy and consequences. A second offense means 50% of the season and a third offense means suspension from ALL athletics for the year.
The policy is also discussed at the parents/players meeting prior to the start of the games.
We tell our son that if he is at a party or just at a friends house and drinks or drugs are present then get out immediately, which is exactly what our school's AD tells the players at meetings. Several times he stayed home rather than attend the parties.
To suggest being at a dinner with mom & dad is stretching it too far.
I'm sure all schools have a policy and some players are just lucky nothing happened.
Sometimes life's lessons are hard but that's how we learn. The worst thing that could have happened is for the coaches or administrators look the other way. Better to learn know than later.
I'd expect coaches to be upset with the loss of any player, but I would also expect them to uphold the policies.
We have a kid suspended for 20% of the played games (cancellations like today don't count) because he was caught with a cigar at one of the away basketball games.
Look, all our players are given a copy of the code of ethics. Both the players and the parents are required to sign and return a form stating they have read and understand the policy and consequences. A second offense means 50% of the season and a third offense means suspension from ALL athletics for the year.
The policy is also discussed at the parents/players meeting prior to the start of the games.
We tell our son that if he is at a party or just at a friends house and drinks or drugs are present then get out immediately, which is exactly what our school's AD tells the players at meetings. Several times he stayed home rather than attend the parties.
To suggest being at a dinner with mom & dad is stretching it too far.
I'm sure all schools have a policy and some players are just lucky nothing happened.
Sometimes life's lessons are hard but that's how we learn. The worst thing that could have happened is for the coaches or administrators look the other way. Better to learn know than later.
I'd expect coaches to be upset with the loss of any player, but I would also expect them to uphold the policies.
quote:Im sure there MUCH more to this story that hasnt been put out. I feel for the player but the bottom line is he made a mistake and everyone makes mistakes.
While I agree there is probably more to this story, I am confident this is not a mistake. These are decisions not mistakes. Wrong ones albeit. Never the less they are decisions.
I'm tired of this high and mighty stuff about athletes vs. stuff that happens in life away from school. It's none of the schools business unless the person in question is obviously running wild and compromising the safety of others.
Coho, all in or nothing the line is too fine to delineate. You can't pick and choose whose responsibility it is to administer consequence.
Players are very much aware of the decisions they make and how they effect themselves and others.
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Well said BBFan58.
Without question I'm a freedom loving guy and I truly wish there was not a need for these rules, but sadly there is.
Will students bend or break the rules? Yes. Are there consequences for doing so? Yes. Will this cycle ever end? Probably not.
The Neuqua Valley HS team will be a stronger team as a result of this. Another valuable life's lesson learned, in this case, from baseball.
The completely debilitating effect of the double standard thankfully doesn't exist at Neuqua Valley HS...at least in this instance. That is rare and reassuring. The administrators are to be respected for their upholding of the rules...the big picture is clearly in their view. A significant lesson they have provided for all of us.
Well said BBFan58.
Without question I'm a freedom loving guy and I truly wish there was not a need for these rules, but sadly there is.
Will students bend or break the rules? Yes. Are there consequences for doing so? Yes. Will this cycle ever end? Probably not.
The Neuqua Valley HS team will be a stronger team as a result of this. Another valuable life's lesson learned, in this case, from baseball.
The completely debilitating effect of the double standard thankfully doesn't exist at Neuqua Valley HS...at least in this instance. That is rare and reassuring. The administrators are to be respected for their upholding of the rules...the big picture is clearly in their view. A significant lesson they have provided for all of us.
I believe it's unfair to punish this kid. I agree with Coho about the sitting at dinner with Mom and Dad. What is the difference? Seriously, everyone here is saying he made a mistake. But what mistake is that? He attended a social gathering with his friends were there was alcohol present? There will be the argument that he is an athlete and he is held to different standards, but is that fair? What about the other kids at that party who are not athletes? Do they face any discipline? I am complaining more about the rule than the enforcement of the rule.
I have no personal knowledge of this particular situation, so I won't comment on it.
As a parent of a senior baseball player, to suggest to me that there's no difference between my son attending a party at which underage drinking is present, and my son sitting at the dinner table while I have a glass of wine in our own home . . . well, it's tough for me to nod in agreement.
To compare standards for high school athletes and red light cameras . . . well, again, it's tough for me to jump on that bandwagon. By the way, I got a red-light ticket. I was able to watch the video of the car I was driving run a red light. My son asked me if I was going to pay the ticket. I told him, if I didn't want to pay the ticket, I shouldn't have run the red light.
One ballplayer (a very good ballplayer) is suspended, none of us were at the alleged event, none of us were in the room when the alleged incident was discussed, and now we are on a slippery slope to our country going down the drain. I think we need to slow down and breathe deeply.
As a parent of a senior baseball player, to suggest to me that there's no difference between my son attending a party at which underage drinking is present, and my son sitting at the dinner table while I have a glass of wine in our own home . . . well, it's tough for me to nod in agreement.
To compare standards for high school athletes and red light cameras . . . well, again, it's tough for me to jump on that bandwagon. By the way, I got a red-light ticket. I was able to watch the video of the car I was driving run a red light. My son asked me if I was going to pay the ticket. I told him, if I didn't want to pay the ticket, I shouldn't have run the red light.
One ballplayer (a very good ballplayer) is suspended, none of us were at the alleged event, none of us were in the room when the alleged incident was discussed, and now we are on a slippery slope to our country going down the drain. I think we need to slow down and breathe deeply.
quote:I am complaining more about the rule than the enforcement of the rule.
That fact of the matter is he (most likely) agreed to the rules as unfair as they may seem. And he broke the rules. With breaking rules comes punishment.
quote:I agree with Coho about the sitting at dinner with Mom and Dad. What is the difference?
My guess is that one is legal and the other is not. His parents would be over the age of 21 and therefore of legal age to drink whereas his friends are most likely not.
That fact of the matter is he (most likely) agreed to the rules as unfair as they may seem. And he broke the rules. With breaking rules comes punishment.
I had to sign one of these at my high school. You do not really have a choice whether or not you want to sign one. To be able to play, you have to sign it. So I wouldn't say he "agreed" to the rules, I would say he was pretty much forced to sign if he wanted to play high school baseball.
I had to sign one of these at my high school. You do not really have a choice whether or not you want to sign one. To be able to play, you have to sign it. So I wouldn't say he "agreed" to the rules, I would say he was pretty much forced to sign if he wanted to play high school baseball.
quote:I had to sign one of these at my high school. You do not really have a choice whether or not you want to sign one. To be able to play, you have to sign it. So I wouldn't say he "agreed" to the rules, I would say he was pretty much forced to sign if he wanted to play high school baseball.
Since when was baseball a right? Oh, yeah, it wasn't. Therefore, in order to take advantage of the privilege of playing baseball, he agreed to abide by the rules specified.
Yea, I had to sign one too a few times..
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It's none of the schools business unless the person in question is obviously running wild and compromising the safety of others.
This rumor surfaced back in Feb and I just thought of it as a rumor until it was true. Again I dont know the real truth but I would consider operating a car would compromise the safety of others........
I think many of you are reading things into "in the presence of alcohol." Do not "assume" that this is simply a case of an innocent kid being at the wrong place at the wrong time. The school isn't going to tell us all the facts - they made a decision & don't have to give out all the details.
As for all this liberal agenda garbage. The fact is many kids get no parenting except at school. Drinking & drugs are illegal activities and as educators, we are trying to teach them right from wrong.
Participating in extra curricular activities is a priviledge. The kids & parents know the rules & agree to them. If your kid is going to a party, as a parent, maybe you should do some research whether or not there is a parent there or who your kid's friends are. It is a problem in society - doing nothing or giving 3rd, 4th, & 5th chances to a kid because he has a chance to earn a lot of money isn't fair to the bench warmer who doesn't get all those chances. Double standard comes to mind.
I feel for Coach Renner. He is a good guy who probably has discussed with his team/parents many times.
As for all this liberal agenda garbage. The fact is many kids get no parenting except at school. Drinking & drugs are illegal activities and as educators, we are trying to teach them right from wrong.
Participating in extra curricular activities is a priviledge. The kids & parents know the rules & agree to them. If your kid is going to a party, as a parent, maybe you should do some research whether or not there is a parent there or who your kid's friends are. It is a problem in society - doing nothing or giving 3rd, 4th, & 5th chances to a kid because he has a chance to earn a lot of money isn't fair to the bench warmer who doesn't get all those chances. Double standard comes to mind.
I feel for Coach Renner. He is a good guy who probably has discussed with his team/parents many times.
quote:nc42dad
So nc42dad are you saying this guy is a big beer drinker?
Isnt this the second incident of this nature involving this young man ? You would think he would have learned right from wrong by now ...especially with what he has going for him .
I have heard too many times that this player was involved with the wrong "extracurriculars". And it's too bad because this now a tough blow for Neuqua. It will be interesting to see if he still gets drafted or not, and if Coach Lopez at Arizona will indeed give him a second chance as it is noted in that newspaper article.
quote:Originally posted by ripcord51:quote:nc42dad
So nc42dad are you saying this guy is a big beer drinker?
I am saying that this breaking of the athletic code has happened before (last year) & just because the article says "he was in the presence," that statement is pretty vague. The school isn't going to tell us the specifics and if it was your kid would you want them telling every little bad detail to the newspaper? If it was my kid, I wouldn't even talk to the newspaper about it. I'd keep my mouth shut and say nothing. It's pretty much a no win situation.
We all have to be careful what we say. People talk and unless you have first hand knowledge it is best not to speculate or read things into every little word. He is a high profile kid & that is what draws all this attention. When you hear things second hand, it is my guess that much of it isn't true. If I knew something and I don't, I sure wouldn't want to post it on the internet.
It's the school job to deal w/ it & they did. It is unfortunate but the game goes on.
quote:Originally posted by nc42dad:
We all have to be careful what we say. People talk and unless you have first hand knowledge it is best not to speculate or read things into every little word.
Agree 100%.
I wish this young man all the best, and if he learns something from this experience it could turn out to be the best thing that happens to him. Good luck.
Many High Schools have different views on situations like this---some proclaim that they have no right to punish for things outside the school realm while others claim they own you, lock stock and barrel for the four years 24 hrs a day
We had an instance where four varsity football players were nailed for breaking and entering, carrying a gun and they admited their guilt--they played the next weekend because the school deemed it "no foul" since it had nothing to do with the school---what is even sadder is that the parents allowed the kids to play--if it were my kid he would have had trouble playing the casts on each leg
My sons HS had no penalty rule for parties like this--he had the solution--he knew who the kids were who drank so he went alone ,thus he could leave if things got out of hand and he did not have to worry about a drunk kid driving him home as well as he being able to drive kids home who were not able to cope at parties end.
Personally I think that if the kid was not drinking and if he did he did not get behind the wheel of a car---no harm here
The ones they should worry about are the parents who permitted the kids to be drinking--the kid gets punished but what about the parents who permitted it?
We had an instance where four varsity football players were nailed for breaking and entering, carrying a gun and they admited their guilt--they played the next weekend because the school deemed it "no foul" since it had nothing to do with the school---what is even sadder is that the parents allowed the kids to play--if it were my kid he would have had trouble playing the casts on each leg
My sons HS had no penalty rule for parties like this--he had the solution--he knew who the kids were who drank so he went alone ,thus he could leave if things got out of hand and he did not have to worry about a drunk kid driving him home as well as he being able to drive kids home who were not able to cope at parties end.
Personally I think that if the kid was not drinking and if he did he did not get behind the wheel of a car---no harm here
The ones they should worry about are the parents who permitted the kids to be drinking--the kid gets punished but what about the parents who permitted it?
For those here that say playing a sport is a privilege, please explain that position, because I believe you are wrong.
A right is something all people are entitled to. As far as I can tell, all people are entitled to play baseball.
A privilege is a special entitlement and granted to a restricted group. Sports don't restrict groups, hence "open" tryouts.
People throw the word privilege around to make it sound like some special powers of oversight are the right of the grantor. but that is far away from the fundamental truth, that sports are open to all.
Those that want to say people "agreed" to the rules are not really looking at the situation for what it is. You are forced to sign the paper if you want to participate. By definition, that is not agreement, it is extortion because it is extracting the result the school wants by holding the athletes participation hostage to the signing.
In short, the schools are fond of euphemisms, like, "agreement", "privilege", "best interest", when those terms are actually spins on the more direct language that are much more objectionable, but accurate.
A right is something all people are entitled to. As far as I can tell, all people are entitled to play baseball.
A privilege is a special entitlement and granted to a restricted group. Sports don't restrict groups, hence "open" tryouts.
People throw the word privilege around to make it sound like some special powers of oversight are the right of the grantor. but that is far away from the fundamental truth, that sports are open to all.
Those that want to say people "agreed" to the rules are not really looking at the situation for what it is. You are forced to sign the paper if you want to participate. By definition, that is not agreement, it is extortion because it is extracting the result the school wants by holding the athletes participation hostage to the signing.
In short, the schools are fond of euphemisms, like, "agreement", "privilege", "best interest", when those terms are actually spins on the more direct language that are much more objectionable, but accurate.
quote:Try finding a high school party where alcohol is not involved. It is not easy. Maybe it would have been when the rule was first enacted, but now it is next to impossible.
Simple solution-- don't go. Is it really that difficult? Just because it happens often, doesn't mean it is right or legal.
I'm not a lawyer or an English teacher.
Yes, everyone has the "right" to tryout for the team and yes, not everyone makes the team.
In reality, although you say sports are open to all, they really are not. Try to go out for the basketball team if you are only 4 feet tall and see how far you go with that. How many 14 year olds can throw the ball 75 mph? Your kid is in a very,very small minority if he makes the baseball/basketball/golf/whatever team because God did not bless everyone with athletic ability.
In Little League, everyone plays regardless of skills. It doesn't work that way in high school/college/pro baseball. If that isn't a restricted group than I don't know what is.
Maybe we should ask the parent whose kid didn't make the team if playing on it is a privilege?
nc42Dad,
By that logic, taking an honors course in HS is a privilege. Just because talent weeds out lesser abilities does not define the activity as a privilege.
Yes, everyone has the "right" to tryout for the team and yes, not everyone makes the team.
In reality, although you say sports are open to all, they really are not. Try to go out for the basketball team if you are only 4 feet tall and see how far you go with that. How many 14 year olds can throw the ball 75 mph? Your kid is in a very,very small minority if he makes the baseball/basketball/golf/whatever team because God did not bless everyone with athletic ability.
In Little League, everyone plays regardless of skills. It doesn't work that way in high school/college/pro baseball. If that isn't a restricted group than I don't know what is.
Maybe we should ask the parent whose kid didn't make the team if playing on it is a privilege?
nc42Dad,
By that logic, taking an honors course in HS is a privilege. Just because talent weeds out lesser abilities does not define the activity as a privilege.
Excellent topic and everyone has made great points.
If the young man was not drinking, he deserves absolutely no punishment imho. Moreover, if he was in fact drinking, I can see a several game suspension but not a permanent one.
If the young man was not drinking, he deserves absolutely no punishment imho. Moreover, if he was in fact drinking, I can see a several game suspension but not a permanent one.
I can't believe the number of posters who seem to think drinking in HS school is so prevalant we just have to accept it.
It is a huge problem in HS and College and yet too many seem to say, well that's the way it is now so you have to accept that a kid is going to be at these parties.
I would suggest that just because perhaps your kid drinks in HS or you did doesn't mean everyone does or did. It isn't acceptable by the law and in the case of the athletic code it isn't acceptable to be at a party where alcohol and other drugs are being used. To accept it would be to condone it.
No one seems to get too worked up about it when the kid who hits .175 and plays 3rd string LF gets suspended or dismissed. Talk about double standards.
What's more is that these rules are so clearly stated, if you break them you have noone to blame but yourselves. This kid will be fine.....perhaps it will even be a good thing for him in the long run in the sense that he may realize that regardless of his high status in the baseball world, the rules apply to him.
It is a huge problem in HS and College and yet too many seem to say, well that's the way it is now so you have to accept that a kid is going to be at these parties.
I would suggest that just because perhaps your kid drinks in HS or you did doesn't mean everyone does or did. It isn't acceptable by the law and in the case of the athletic code it isn't acceptable to be at a party where alcohol and other drugs are being used. To accept it would be to condone it.
No one seems to get too worked up about it when the kid who hits .175 and plays 3rd string LF gets suspended or dismissed. Talk about double standards.
What's more is that these rules are so clearly stated, if you break them you have noone to blame but yourselves. This kid will be fine.....perhaps it will even be a good thing for him in the long run in the sense that he may realize that regardless of his high status in the baseball world, the rules apply to him.
As everyone may have the right to play baseball, not everyone has the privlidge to play on a "team".
I feel bad for the 17 other kids that were counting on him to be their leader......
I feel bad for the 17 other kids that were counting on him to be their leader......
quote:I can see a several game suspension but not a permanent one.
He has already received one suspension for a similar incident. He apparently didn't learn.
My high school has the classic "baseball" punishment...
Strike 1-- Out certain percentage of games (thinking ~25% but don't remember)
Strike 2-- Out full calendar year
Strike 3-- your athletic career as a Bulldog is over
Again YOU all dance around what I asked---WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS WHO PERMIT THE DRINKING IN THEIR HOMES?
How do you deal with this/---we, the adults are having a party, alcohol is there, and the son returns home prior to the end of the party with a buddy or two to play Nintnedo or Xbox whatever---they are in the presence of alcohol are they not ?
They did not drink ---and it wasnt their party---HELLO-- you try and figure this one out
How do you deal with this/---we, the adults are having a party, alcohol is there, and the son returns home prior to the end of the party with a buddy or two to play Nintnedo or Xbox whatever---they are in the presence of alcohol are they not ?
They did not drink ---and it wasnt their party---HELLO-- you try and figure this one out
Parents who allow underage drinking in their homes are breaking the law, pure and simple. They could face both criminal charges, and civil liability.
If you are talking about adults having alcohol, while their teenage children are in the house at the same time, I can't believe that anybody is really suggesting that a ballplayer would be disciplined under those circumstances. I'm not too worried about that "slippery slope".
If you are talking about adults having alcohol, while their teenage children are in the house at the same time, I can't believe that anybody is really suggesting that a ballplayer would be disciplined under those circumstances. I'm not too worried about that "slippery slope".
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First off, I/wife do not drink but it is legal for me to drink.
So now, I guess that we cannot take my kids to a restaurant that serves alcohol either.
Finally, why don't we just legalize all drugs and have no drinking age. I am sure that would solve everything.
First off, I/wife do not drink but it is legal for me to drink.
So now, I guess that we cannot take my kids to a restaurant that serves alcohol either.
Finally, why don't we just legalize all drugs and have no drinking age. I am sure that would solve everything.