You're helping make my point. Thanks!
The DBAT Mustangs 17U used wood all summer too.
There were several other non affiliated teams that did the same.
The fact still remains.....if you can hit, you can hit with either wood or aluminum.
So why does it matter?
Why do colleges use aluminum? $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Always remember, $$$$$$$ changes everything.
There were several other non affiliated teams that did the same.
The fact still remains.....if you can hit, you can hit with either wood or aluminum.
So why does it matter?
Why do colleges use aluminum? $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Always remember, $$$$$$$ changes everything.
I would also like to call a little BULL from the guys saying all these coaches can look and anylize a kid's swing in 4 at bats, not to mention they are at the park from sun up till sun down. You really think they are looking at every kids swing that comes to the plate, no. But let a kid rack one about 410' and you'll hear, "who's that kid?". Most of those guys can't watch all the at bats cause all the dads won't quit talking to them. 
quote:Originally posted by Robert S.:
I would also like to call a little BULL from the guys saying all these coaches can look and anylize a kid's swing in 4 at bats, not to mention they are at the park from sun up till sun down. You really think they are looking at every kids swing that comes to the plate, no. But let a kid rack one about 410' and you'll hear, "who's that kid?".
Of course they are keying in on certain players. They all have short lists.......
Of course you can open their eye with a 400 ft. aluminum HR. But you can do the same thing with a 300 ft. gap shot with wood too.
And sometimes it only takes 1 AB to figure out a swing or a player. Trust me, it happens all the time.
quote:The fact still remains.....if you can hit, you can hit with either wood or aluminum.
Does this apply to pitchers as well?
quote:Originally posted by Aloysius:quote:The fact still remains.....if you can hit, you can hit with either wood or aluminum.
Does this apply to pitchers as well?
Radar gun will still show the same velo.
Tilt on breaking ball should be the same regardless of bat.
Change up should still be the same.
Being able to locate should still be the same regardless of what the hitter is holding.
Yep, pitchers should still pitch the same.
So nothing changes for the pitcher, the wood bat shot goes 280 ft, the metal bat shot goes 400 ft, advantage pitcher; correct?!
If a coach makes a judgement about a kid based on 1 AB -- with no previous information -- I suggest he suffers from premature evaluation. I hope the kid doesn't see a good change-up or a legitimate slider during that AB -- chances are good that he could look silly. Likewise, a kid can run into a pitch now and then.
If I'm a college rc, I'd rather see a pitcher face aluminum. If I'm a pro scout, evulating a pitcher -- I'd rather see him face wood.
If I'm a rc, looking for a way to spend my last 25% on a position player (I already have a boatload of LHP) -- I'd rather see a kid swing metal.
If I'm a pro scout and I'm there to see Colten Cain or Slade Heathcott, I'd rather see him swing wood.
If I run the league, I'd want to make the scouts happy.....which these guys do on a regular basis. This league is run by class guys, with great networks, that deliver what they promise. So, bring a rolled up newspaper.
If I'm a college rc, I'd rather see a pitcher face aluminum. If I'm a pro scout, evulating a pitcher -- I'd rather see him face wood.
If I'm a rc, looking for a way to spend my last 25% on a position player (I already have a boatload of LHP
) -- I'd rather see a kid swing metal.If I'm a pro scout and I'm there to see Colten Cain or Slade Heathcott, I'd rather see him swing wood.
If I run the league, I'd want to make the scouts happy.....which these guys do on a regular basis. This league is run by class guys, with great networks, that deliver what they promise. So, bring a rolled up newspaper.
PD and Robet S. thanks for mentioning my name in this thread..."kirky", kind of *** don't you think?
If the future is wood, then all players need to embrace. Those who are complaining will be left behind by those who adjust...isn't that what hitting is all about?
I guarantee college coaches and scouts will adjust!
If the future is wood, then all players need to embrace. Those who are complaining will be left behind by those who adjust...isn't that what hitting is all about?
I guarantee college coaches and scouts will adjust!
kirk -- you're probbaly right about the future being wood. But, if I complain (that's really not what I'm doing!) -- no one needs to worry about PantherDad being left behind....who cares? And I'm not sure the coaches, etc. need to adjust to anything. They hold the cards anyway.
I did mention you in a previous post....."This league is run by class guys, with great networks, that deliver what they promise." That's my story and I'm sticking to it. And they never posted my positive testimonial on the MSL site. Check out how many HITS on this topic ---- people must be interested! Or....Ken just brings a topic instant credibility.
We're about done here. Why don't you, Robert, and I get together in McKinney on Sunday night....I'll buy you two a beer and we can watch the kids swing wood.
And I'm not sure the coaches, etc. need to adjust to anything. They hold the cards anyway. I did mention you in a previous post....."This league is run by class guys, with great networks, that deliver what they promise." That's my story and I'm sticking to it. And they never posted my positive testimonial on the MSL site. Check out how many HITS on this topic ---- people must be interested! Or....Ken just brings a topic instant credibility.
We're about done here. Why don't you, Robert, and I get together in McKinney on Sunday night....I'll buy you two a beer and we can watch the kids swing wood.
quote:Originally posted by Aloysius:
So nothing changes for the pitcher, the wood bat shot goes 280 ft, the metal bat shot goes 400 ft, advantage pitcher; correct?!
I haven't done my calculations with Mr. Einstein yet, but I'm pretty sure if you barrel up a baseball with wood compared to aluminum the difference won't be 120 feet.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
If a coach makes a judgement about a kid based on 1 AB -- with no previous information -- I suggest he suffers from premature evaluation. I hope the kid doesn't see a good change-up or a legitimate slider during that AB -- chances are good that he could look silly. Likewise, a kid can run into a pitch now and then.
If I'm a college rc, I'd rather see a pitcher face aluminum. If I'm a pro scout, evulating a pitcher -- I'd rather see him face wood.
If I'm a rc, looking for a way to spend my last 25% on a position player (I already have a boatload of LHP
If I'm a pro scout and I'm there to see Colten Cain or Slade Heathcott, I'd rather see him swing wood.
If I run the league, I'd want to make the scouts happy.....which these guys do on a regular basis. This league is run by class guys, with great networks, that deliver what they promise. So, bring a rolled up newspaper.
No disrespect........serious question.......
Did you play baseball at the college and/or professional levels?
quote:Originally posted by kirk:
PD and Robet S. thanks for mentioning my name in this thread..."kirky", kind of *** don't you think?
If the future is wood, then all players need to embrace. Those who are complaining will be left behind by those who adjust...isn't that what hitting is all about?
I guarantee college coaches and scouts will adjust!
I guess I missed this, what is the date the NCAA has set to change from metal to wood?
quote:Originally posted by Robert S.:quote:Originally posted by kirk:
PD and Robet S. thanks for mentioning my name in this thread..."kirky", kind of *** don't you think?
If the future is wood, then all players need to embrace. Those who are complaining will be left behind by those who adjust...isn't that what hitting is all about?
I guarantee college coaches and scouts will adjust!
I guess I missed this, what is the date the NCAA has set to change from metal to wood?
First Kirky, now this quote. What if I said only Air force was going to use wood, everybody else metal.
quote:Originally posted by kirk:
PD and Robet S. thanks for mentioning my name in this thread..."kirky", kind of *** don't you think?
If the future is wood, then all players need to embrace. Those who are complaining will be left behind by those who adjust...isn't that what hitting is all about?
I guarantee college coaches and scouts will adjust!
PD, the word, "complaining" was a bit strong and not directed at you or anybody on this thread. It was meant more as a general statement for the future...when Air Force has to use only wood.
Guys I can make this easy for you:
•Tyler Collins would have been noticed hitting with a shoe.
•Fact: Wood Bat/ Aluminum Bat good hitters can hit with both.
•Good college recruits could care less what they are hitting with.
•You can see how good a kids bat speed is and how short his swing is with either wood or aluminum.
•You are more likely to make a mistake as a recruiter on a kid watching him swing with aluminum. You have all heard the term “He is a aluminum bat hitter”. I have never heard a scout of college coach complain that he is a wood bat hitter.
•Tyler Collins would have been noticed hitting with a shoe.
•Fact: Wood Bat/ Aluminum Bat good hitters can hit with both.
•Good college recruits could care less what they are hitting with.
•You can see how good a kids bat speed is and how short his swing is with either wood or aluminum.
•You are more likely to make a mistake as a recruiter on a kid watching him swing with aluminum. You have all heard the term “He is a aluminum bat hitter”. I have never heard a scout of college coach complain that he is a wood bat hitter.
I wuv woo Kiirrkkeeeee!
P.S. Hitting is nor AF's problem.
P.S. Hitting is nor AF's problem.
quote:Originally posted by KCR:
Guys I can make this easy for you:
•Tyler Collins would have been noticed hitting with a shoe.
•Fact: Wood Bat/ Aluminum Bat good hitters can hit with both.
•Good college recruits could care less what they are hitting with.
•You can see how good a kids bat speed is and how short his swing is with either wood or aluminum.
•You are more likely to make a mistake as a recruiter on a kid watching him swing with aluminum. You have all heard the term “He is a aluminum bat hitter”. I have never heard a scout of college coach complain that he is a wood bat hitter.
Yeah, but what if a kid can hit .450 with aluminum in HS but only hits .250 with wood during the summer.
This isn't very fair don't you think?
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:quote:Originally posted by KCR:
Guys I can make this easy for you:
•Tyler Collins would have been noticed hitting with a shoe.
•Fact: Wood Bat/ Aluminum Bat good hitters can hit with both.
•Good college recruits could care less what they are hitting with.
•You can see how good a kids bat speed is and how short his swing is with either wood or aluminum.
•You are more likely to make a mistake as a recruiter on a kid watching him swing with aluminum. You have all heard the term “He is a aluminum bat hitter”. I have never heard a scout of college coach complain that he is a wood bat hitter.
Yeah, but what if a kid can hit .450 with aluminum in HS but only hits .250 with wood during the summer.
This isn't very fair don't you think?
I agree, that doesn't sound fair.
Ok, resisted commenting thus far, but my weakness causes me to pitch in.
At great risk of riducule from those known "experts" of whom we all bow to their extreme knowledge/experience and the-way-the-game's-supposed-to-be-played-isms they will spew from high atop Mount HS Baseball Web Rushmore, here's my thoughts.
I don't really care about the dynamics of wood vs. metal as it pertains to recruiting coordinators, scouts, etc. For me, it's much more simple than that.
Not intending to sell my kid short, but in all likelihood, he'll never play at a wood-bat level league (meaning professional). This applies to at least 95% of these H.S. players. His current and next level swings metal (aside from some summer leagues). So it only makes sense that's what he swing in H.S. summer-ball. Since he has used mostly wood this summer, ok, no big deal. Doesn't affect him as a player much either way.
But it's truly affected my wallet. He went through 6-7 wood bats this summer, anywhere from $40 to $90 a pop. This, as opposed to the Stealth I purchased for $250, and will last at least 2 seasons. Again, no biggie, just money, but it's cash I wouldn't have otherwise spent.
Yeah, watching all these wood-bat games with much more inept offensive production and pitcher-dominant performances has been different. But heck, I like a low scoring, well-pitched game more than most.
Just doesn't make sense to me to be playing wood when that's not what most will ever swing competitively. Maybe it will make him a better hitter, I don't know. I doubt it.
Guess these aren't new thoughts or opinions. Probably beating a dead horse.
At great risk of riducule from those known "experts" of whom we all bow to their extreme knowledge/experience and the-way-the-game's-supposed-to-be-played-isms they will spew from high atop Mount HS Baseball Web Rushmore, here's my thoughts.
I don't really care about the dynamics of wood vs. metal as it pertains to recruiting coordinators, scouts, etc. For me, it's much more simple than that.
Not intending to sell my kid short, but in all likelihood, he'll never play at a wood-bat level league (meaning professional). This applies to at least 95% of these H.S. players. His current and next level swings metal (aside from some summer leagues). So it only makes sense that's what he swing in H.S. summer-ball. Since he has used mostly wood this summer, ok, no big deal. Doesn't affect him as a player much either way.
But it's truly affected my wallet. He went through 6-7 wood bats this summer, anywhere from $40 to $90 a pop. This, as opposed to the Stealth I purchased for $250, and will last at least 2 seasons. Again, no biggie, just money, but it's cash I wouldn't have otherwise spent.
Yeah, watching all these wood-bat games with much more inept offensive production and pitcher-dominant performances has been different. But heck, I like a low scoring, well-pitched game more than most.
Just doesn't make sense to me to be playing wood when that's not what most will ever swing competitively. Maybe it will make him a better hitter, I don't know. I doubt it.
Guess these aren't new thoughts or opinions. Probably beating a dead horse.
quote:At great risk of riducule from those known "experts" of whom we all bow to their extreme knowledge/experience and the-way-the-game's-supposed-to-be-played-isms they will spew from high atop Mount HS Baseball Web Rushmore, here's my thoughts.
What a great intro! Love it...and agree with everything you said after that Charger.
What does my baseball experience have to do with anything? It's typical for Ken to think that a person here can't make legitmate baseball points unless they played professionally -- how ridiculous.
You guys just love to argue. This discussion isn't about hitting and not necessarily about the merits of swinging wood. And it really has nothing to do with Tyler Collins. I don't disagree with any of Cade's points. I saw a lot of Big 12 games this year....and there are MANY "aluminum bat hitters" in the Big 12 -- and that's ok. It's what they swing.
If I am not mistaken (and I should add the disclaimer that I AM NOT A COLLEGE RECRUITING COORDINATOR), most schools have a primary rc that will evaluate hitting and pitching and pretty much everything else. Their decisions on 18 year old kids aren't alway based on their pro potential -- so I suggest that often times they could care less about their potential to swing with wood. Kids grow, they change, they develop in college.
As always, I'll leave it to the experts to dictate the format of the MSL. High school kids and their families are their clients.
You guys just love to argue. This discussion isn't about hitting and not necessarily about the merits of swinging wood. And it really has nothing to do with Tyler Collins. I don't disagree with any of Cade's points. I saw a lot of Big 12 games this year....and there are MANY "aluminum bat hitters" in the Big 12 -- and that's ok. It's what they swing.
If I am not mistaken (and I should add the disclaimer that I AM NOT A COLLEGE RECRUITING COORDINATOR), most schools have a primary rc that will evaluate hitting and pitching and pretty much everything else. Their decisions on 18 year old kids aren't alway based on their pro potential -- so I suggest that often times they could care less about their potential to swing with wood. Kids grow, they change, they develop in college.
As always, I'll leave it to the experts to dictate the format of the MSL. High school kids and their families are their clients.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
What does my baseball experience have to do with anything? It's typical for Ken to think that a person here can't make legitmate baseball points unless they played professionally -- how ridiculous.
It's unfortunate that you consider my question rediculous.
As stated, it was meant with no disrespect. I had my reasons for the question but those are irrelevant now.
For those that claim that uluminum should be the bat of choice since that's what HSer's use.....
Well maybe in HS, but summer ball has gone a different direction. AABC, the considered best amatuer baseball organization by many, has taken all post season play to wood bat. Many organizations feel it's to their benefit to use wood in regular season play to prepare for this. I see AABC going all wood/all season very soon. And we all know about Perfect Game events using wood as well.
So get ready folks. Maybe your 25-35 game HS seasons use aluminum, but your 45-60 game summers will be with wood.
If you consider the HS season the highest level of importance than your case for the importance of aluminum can be justified.
But most will tell you that your college rc's will be out more in the summer than they will during the spring strictly due to schedule conflicts.
quote:Originally posted by ChargerDad:
But it's truly affected my wallet. He went through 6-7 wood bats this summer, anywhere from $40 to $90 a pop. This, as opposed to the Stealth I purchased for $250, and will last at least 2 seasons. Again, no biggie, just money, but it's cash I wouldn't have otherwise spent.
Look into a composite or a "BAUM" bat. You can get both of these for less cost than an aluminum bat. They are legal in all amatuer leagues that I know of and even "Rookie" level professional leagues.
I've only seen (1) "BAUM" bat break in game play ever.
They tend to have a bit more pop to make up that 120 foot difference claimed between wood and aluminum.
If you meant the question with no disrespect, you might have added something like, "here's why I ask..." I'm sorry to be evasive or suspicious, but I've indicated my experience here many times. I played HS baseball on a team that went to the state regional finals -- not a big deal, I know. We had a single aluminum bat in 1977 -- wow, times have changed. I did not play college baseball. I have coached and been around "serious" summer baseball for many years -- again, no big deal, I know. I mainly just pay for things. All three of my sons have played college baseball -- at DIII, JUCO, and DI. That doesn't make me an expert at anything. I generally speel ok....that's my strength.
This topic has strayed from the original intent. For those that think that the HS baseball season means little....I repectfully disagree there as well. We can argue and speculate and discuss why leagues choose to use wood bats. Also, no one said that this league should use metal because the HS kids use it, did they??? The opinion that they should use metal, at least occasionally, may have been based on the premise that the colleges still use it. I know there are further NCAA restrictions on alloy bats --- have they discussed switching to wood there too?
I'm not trying to offend anyone, including Ken, the bat makers, pro scouts, or rc. I have slept in a Holiday Inn Express.
This topic has strayed from the original intent. For those that think that the HS baseball season means little....I repectfully disagree there as well. We can argue and speculate and discuss why leagues choose to use wood bats. Also, no one said that this league should use metal because the HS kids use it, did they??? The opinion that they should use metal, at least occasionally, may have been based on the premise that the colleges still use it. I know there are further NCAA restrictions on alloy bats --- have they discussed switching to wood there too?
I'm not trying to offend anyone, including Ken, the bat makers, pro scouts, or rc. I have slept in a Holiday Inn Express.
Thought I'd try my hand at beating the dead horse.
Think it's all about "forgiveness". Foregiveness is the inherent nature and primary marketing ploy of the aluminum bat companies. "Bigger Sweet Spot", "Multiple Flex Points", "Batteries Not Included", etc. The pitchers job has nothing to do with what kind of instrument the hitter has in his hands. The purety of a pitcher is his ability to locate and command the zone. They are scouted based on their ability to do so. The purety of a hitter is his ability to "adjust" to what the pitcher is trying to do. Take the aluminum out of a batters hand, and the emphasis is placed squarely on his ability to "square up" on whatever is thrown. A pitcher throws gas on the inner half of the plate: don't square up with an aluminum bat and you can still "mistake" one in the gap; don't square up with a wood bat and it's back to the store, splinters in hand, to spend another $40-$90 bucks.
It's fun to watch what some of these guys can do with high technology. Nothing wrong with it. But, crud, I watched a couple of times this summer when one of our hitters "fisted" one about 340 at Parish. With wood they would have been popups to 2B. I personally believe wood takes the guesswork out of the equation and creates a truer, purer picture of a hitters ability.
Think it's all about "forgiveness". Foregiveness is the inherent nature and primary marketing ploy of the aluminum bat companies. "Bigger Sweet Spot", "Multiple Flex Points", "Batteries Not Included", etc. The pitchers job has nothing to do with what kind of instrument the hitter has in his hands. The purety of a pitcher is his ability to locate and command the zone. They are scouted based on their ability to do so. The purety of a hitter is his ability to "adjust" to what the pitcher is trying to do. Take the aluminum out of a batters hand, and the emphasis is placed squarely on his ability to "square up" on whatever is thrown. A pitcher throws gas on the inner half of the plate: don't square up with an aluminum bat and you can still "mistake" one in the gap; don't square up with a wood bat and it's back to the store, splinters in hand, to spend another $40-$90 bucks.
It's fun to watch what some of these guys can do with high technology. Nothing wrong with it. But, crud, I watched a couple of times this summer when one of our hitters "fisted" one about 340 at Parish. With wood they would have been popups to 2B. I personally believe wood takes the guesswork out of the equation and creates a truer, purer picture of a hitters ability.
I agree with your points, dad....but....a "truer, purer picture of a hitters ability" where? Most, yes MOST, college players will not play professional baseball. Should their .320 career BA include an * because it was with metal? Hitting with metal shouldn't be an insult to anyone. There are a lot of college kids (good hitters!) that hit .260 with metal....and a lot of college pitchers with ERA < 4 against metal.
If a hitter fists one out of a ballpark with aluminum, then he wins that particular battle and the pitcher should tip his hat to him. The results may be different in the next AB. Good hitters hit good pitches too. Most players gladly accept "mistaking" one into the gap -- it's just a part of that particular game. Those hits that get away because of a great defensive play even things out. Pitchers get away with mistakes too -- their "fat" pitches may result in flyouts when hit with wood moreso than when hit with aluminum.
Those arguing for wood are "baseball purists" -- I understand that -- I would support elimination of the aluminum bat altogether. My original response was meant to address this particular topic.
Ok, sorry to be redundant....I'll rest now. Go Rangers!
If a hitter fists one out of a ballpark with aluminum, then he wins that particular battle and the pitcher should tip his hat to him. The results may be different in the next AB. Good hitters hit good pitches too. Most players gladly accept "mistaking" one into the gap -- it's just a part of that particular game. Those hits that get away because of a great defensive play even things out. Pitchers get away with mistakes too -- their "fat" pitches may result in flyouts when hit with wood moreso than when hit with aluminum.
Those arguing for wood are "baseball purists" -- I understand that -- I would support elimination of the aluminum bat altogether. My original response was meant to address this particular topic.
Ok, sorry to be redundant....I'll rest now. Go Rangers!
2010 Baseball Rules Changes Include Bat Standards Adjustment
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Elliot Hopkins
INDIANAPOLIS, IN (July 6, 2009) - The clarification of baseball bat specifications was among four rules adjusted by the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) Baseball Rules Committee at its annual meeting June 7-9 in Indianapolis. The rules changes subsequently were approved by the NFHS Board of Directors.
A change to Rule 1-3-2 regarding bat specifications was made in the hope it will clarify bat compliance. The rule, which will be effective January 1, 2012, specifies that the bat should be a "smooth cylinder implement from the top of the cap to the top of the knob."
"The committee was looking to clarify the rule and make the purchase of bats an easier process," said Elliot Hopkins, NFHS director of educational services and liaison to the Baseball Rules Committee. "We want to make sure that kids and parents know what is permissible."
The change will also require that all non-wood bats meet the Batted Ball Coefficient of Restitution (BBCOR) performance standard, which is the standard used by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). Formerly, non-wood bats had to meet the Ball Exit Speed Ratio (BESR) standard.
The new rule also states that non-wood bats must be labeled with a rectangular certification mark "a minimum of a half-inch on each side and located on the barrel of the bat in any contrasting color." The new standard ensures that performances by non-wood bats are more comparable to those of wood bats. It's also expected to minimize risk, improve play and increase teaching opportunities.
"After working with the NCAA and having access to its research, we've concluded it's in our best interest to make this change," Hopkins said. "BBCOR includes the BESR standard, so we're actually expanding upon our current standard, which will be more appropriate for our age and skill level."
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Elliot Hopkins
INDIANAPOLIS, IN (July 6, 2009) - The clarification of baseball bat specifications was among four rules adjusted by the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) Baseball Rules Committee at its annual meeting June 7-9 in Indianapolis. The rules changes subsequently were approved by the NFHS Board of Directors.
A change to Rule 1-3-2 regarding bat specifications was made in the hope it will clarify bat compliance. The rule, which will be effective January 1, 2012, specifies that the bat should be a "smooth cylinder implement from the top of the cap to the top of the knob."
"The committee was looking to clarify the rule and make the purchase of bats an easier process," said Elliot Hopkins, NFHS director of educational services and liaison to the Baseball Rules Committee. "We want to make sure that kids and parents know what is permissible."
The change will also require that all non-wood bats meet the Batted Ball Coefficient of Restitution (BBCOR) performance standard, which is the standard used by the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA). Formerly, non-wood bats had to meet the Ball Exit Speed Ratio (BESR) standard.
The new rule also states that non-wood bats must be labeled with a rectangular certification mark "a minimum of a half-inch on each side and located on the barrel of the bat in any contrasting color." The new standard ensures that performances by non-wood bats are more comparable to those of wood bats. It's also expected to minimize risk, improve play and increase teaching opportunities.
"After working with the NCAA and having access to its research, we've concluded it's in our best interest to make this change," Hopkins said. "BBCOR includes the BESR standard, so we're actually expanding upon our current standard, which will be more appropriate for our age and skill level."
I would like to add, you can go watch an MSL day, all day and see 5 to 10 hard it balls in 10hrs. If the college guys are only going to take those that hit well with wood there will be about 5 players on each Big XII roster. Check the Northwoods league batting averages.... most college players can't hit better than .240 with wood.
As for the "how far did you play" question.... I played college ball and don't know squat! I also know SEVERAL ex-MLB guys who know less when it comes to coaching HS age players.
As for the "how far did you play" question.... I played college ball and don't know squat! I also know SEVERAL ex-MLB guys who know less when it comes to coaching HS age players.
Not arguing for or against, PD. Just offering my 2 cents. By "truer, purer picture", I was simply meaning that it takes mistakes out of the picture. It's the same as the golf industry has gone over the last decade. Why does everyone play with a driver that's the size of a VW Bug? Because they can get away with more. They can take hacks with their eyes closed and still find the fairway. Very forgiving. Try that with the old, small, actual "woods" and it's a wiff. Something tells me that if Ben Hogan were alive today, he'd still be using the same clubs he used when he started. I'd rather be good than lucky!
For this league how does the playing time work for pitchers? Are there 6 for each team and they each work 2 innings a weekend or how does it work in general?
quote:Originally posted by dadofones:
Why does everyone play with a driver that's the size of a VW Bug? Because they can get away with more. They can take hacks with their eyes closed and still find the fairway.
I still need a chainsaw after I hit mine
One more thing for you boys to chew on..........
The most heavily covered event by college recruiters in the past decade........
PG WWBA
Wood bats.
I rest my case.
The most heavily covered event by college recruiters in the past decade........
PG WWBA
Wood bats.
I rest my case.
KG -- now that's a great argument. I suppose most of those guys would stay home if not for the wood bats -- they go to see the bats! It has NOTHING to do with having the best players in the country there.
In Bryce Harper's YouTube video, at least partially "sponsored" by BamBoo Bat and Baseball America, he swings metal at the Tropicana Field HR Derby....while swinging wood in BP in other parts of the video. Obviously, it doesn't matter what he swings. But there aren't many Bryce Harper's playing in the MSL --- or are there???
In Bryce Harper's YouTube video, at least partially "sponsored" by BamBoo Bat and Baseball America, he swings metal at the Tropicana Field HR Derby....while swinging wood in BP in other parts of the video. Obviously, it doesn't matter what he swings. But there aren't many Bryce Harper's playing in the MSL --- or are there???
I would like to see an answer to fantasy's question about how the league actually works for pitchers. Or do we need to start a new thread and let the hijacking continue on this one?
quote:Originally posted by Fantasy411:
For this league how does the playing time work for pitchers? Are there 6 for each team and they each work 2 innings a weekend or how does it work in general?
From what I saw last year was that each pitcher threw around 30 pitches. Whether that was 1 inning or possibly 2.
probably no reason to try out unless you're throwing around 90 mph then?
quote:Originally posted by Hintite:
probably no reason to try out unless you're throwing around 90 mph then?
I disagree... not many pitchers threw 90 or above last year. Pitching is about location and changing speeds. If you want to have your son pitch in front of 50 or so scouts the MSL is one of the best places.
Don't sell him short because he doesn't throw 90+
how refreshing to hear, and I agree. It's just that after a long summer of comparing himself to others who have been less successful on the field but light up radar guns I didn't want to set him up for dissapointment. thanks for the encouragement.
quote:Originally posted by Fantasy411:
For this league how does the playing time work for pitchers? Are there 6 for each team and they each work 2 innings a weekend or how does it work in general?
Pitcher throw 1 to 3 innings. this is based on number of pitches, when they last threw, how many pitchers show up that day, etc. 6 pitchers per team is close. I can't say that for certain but close.
This is only a rule of thumb, not an official rule. Keep in mind everything is very fluid from week to week. Players get hurt, go on recruiting trips, play for the fall high school team, etc.
Hope this helps.