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Originally posted by FormerObserver:
Night before last, a bus ride after the game until 2 AM, check in sleep until 1 PM, then do it again.

$1,100 per month.

8 new sticks $300 (Yes, the team supplies bats)

But, not with your name and team on them.

One is for your office dad.............


Sounds sorta like spring semester minus 15 credit hours, wood bats and the paycheck. Smile
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Originally posted by Dad04:

Sounds sorta like spring semester minus 15 credit hours, wood bats and the paycheck. Smile


That's kind of the impression I get from DK, compares it to a tough last half without going to school (I have to pry o get these answers). Also coming from a pressure cooker type of situation where every game outcome must be a win he finds the concept of development vs. a must perform your best more pleasing. Last night, 2 wild innings and not finding the zone Eek, he still walked away with a zero ERA. They were just happy he was back on the hill, didn't really seem to care much more about anything else.
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Originally posted by njbb:
How is going with the guys? Are they finding it very different from college ball?


1. Now it's baseball only. Depending on the school baseball could have been #1 or #2 priority depending on situation.

2. More personally stressful because you need to perform your best while implimenting mechanical changes at the same time.

3. Whether or not you accept it, in the back of your mind you are competing against a teammate while also playing with him.

4. Stats, while still only numbers, have new meaning and importance. While Ryan gave up too many hits last night his 14:3 go:fo was a big plus to the team. The ball is staying down.

5. Playing with guys your own age and older with the same goal is a positive environment.
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Originally posted by FormerObserver:
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Also coming from a pressure cooker type of situation where every game outcome must be a win he finds the concept of development vs. a must perform your best more pleasing.


The concept of development versus the immediate impact requirement in college has been one of the biggest differences that I have observed.


This is where your draft position and bonus money makes a huge difference, and how things can differ in terms of how things can be viewed by those of us posting as opposed to playing and competing.
I can assure you that most every player with a small to no bonus isn't taking any satisfaction out of development vs producing.
Looking at BA, there are some 10th round guys who received $5,000-$10,000. In the past, guys in the 10th round should be somewhat comfortable. That type of bonus does not meaninfully distinguish them, necessarily, as a "prospect."
My best guess is upwards of 80% of the draftees who have signed are in a daily pressure cooker to "prove" they can play and be a prospect every chance they get. If they get a chance and don't produce, they anguish and stew about it a lot and view it as a "lost" opportunity.
Having looked at it from that side for awhile, please know there are a lot of guys who love what they are doing, but don't have the "luxury" of development as part of their vocabulary.
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My best guess is upwards of 80% of the draftees who have signed are in a daily pressure cooker to "prove" they can play and be a prospect every chance they get.

I would think that any player who does not feel that ultimate "pressure cooker" feeling everytime they step on the field is taking a small step in the wrong direction. Anything less is taking the situation for granted.
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infielddad,
Let me explain what I meant.
DK sprained his ankle this year and they had him back up on the mound within a week. They needed him back asap, as he was an integral part of the pitching staff. He struggled for weeks because he really never recovered from the sprain in a week.
DK sprains his ankle three weeks ago, and there was no rush to get him back out there. They tell him that he cannot throw until there is no pain, because then he will make adjustments and throw off his mechanics. When he returned this spring to the mound, there was no excuses, regardless of whether you hurt or not, you got to get out there, you feel the pressure to get back asap and help your team. In 56 games, everyone of them counts. Not really sure if you understand that what was meant, you play on a team that is expected year in and year out to have a winning record, go beyond post season, get back to Omaha, the pressure is amazing. How many times have I said the big D1 experience is not all a bed of roses?

Though trying to put pressure upon himself, there was no pressure from them to rush anything. As FO states, the pressure of being an immediate impact player vs. a slower process, has been a big change.

njbb asked a question, are they finding it different than college ball. I answered. Not sure what that answer has to do with where one fell in the draft.
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Not sure what that answer has to do with where one fell in the draft.


TPM,
Again, I think we are viewing this from entirely different perspectives. Nothing wrong with that, just different.
Personally, I think it is great that DK is able to heal without extrinsic pressures and the like and without the rush to recover and be pitching.
Where you are drafted and whether you are a prospect or not in the organization can have a major difference, in how situations like DK encountered are addressed and managed.
I am not sure the pressure cooker of the team experience at Clemson is too much different than the pressure cooker of, in effect, playing for for your baseball life Both are pressure cookers but different in terms of the source.
On the professional level, if you don't succeed, you go home and your career is likely over. That is pretty intense pressure.
Infielddad and TPM I can understand the differing views. The ground seems firm for all the first year. After all, few players get pink slips from short season or the first full season. As the years pass the heat builds and the ice gets thinner --- the early round picks find some comfort in knowing the club has more invested and they will be given “more” of a chance but no matter what the round, the pressure to produce increases with every click of the clock. MILB is about DEVELOPING a group (not an individual) of players for the parent team BUT in doing so it becomes just as important to REPLACE those players that aren’t developing. Unlike most businesses, professional baseball hires MANY more employees than they “need” hoping they can replace someone they have previously employed. As the years mount, college baseball will ultimately be viewed as a small whistling coffee pot when compared to the monster sized pressure cooker of professional baseball.
Fungo
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tpm quote:
Not really sure if you understand that what was meant, you play on a team that is expected year in and year out to have a winning record, go beyond post season, get back to Omaha, the pressure is amazing. How many times have I said the big D1 experience is not all a bed of roses?


Excuse us minions for not knelling and kissing the ring.

Please excuse my temporary hijack of the thread, but any college player/parent, NAIA to the mid-majors, finds that attitude so insulting and minimizing their own, or, their kids accomplishments. I hope someday they can all feel what it's like to walk in those golden spikes. Mad

Done
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The luxury or nursing injuries at rookie ball or SS quickly goes away when in A ball and above. Injuries take you out of the loop and make you invisible. Many players do not want to repeat levels or be left behind when spring training breaks. The difference between college and the minors, is that although you may be forced to come back a little quicker in college, in the minors you are replaced, sometimes permanently.
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Originally posted by njbb:
How is going with the guys? Are they finding it very different from college ball?

njbb asked a question, I didn't realize there was a right or wrong answer.

This thread was created by me. I thought that it would be interesting, since so many people were asking about the new "rookies", about their impressions and ours as parents.
Somewhere the purpose of the thread was lost. Regarding what happens as the players move up, I think we all kind of know that things get much much tougher after your first season. Our boys were just like your sons were, excited about their new experience, excited to get their first paychecks, excited about playing everyday, meeting new teammates and learning a new system and all about their new employers. We were excited for them just like you were when yours were drafted.
rz,
I apologize for getting you angry, my post was not meant to be uppity. I had got a little side tracked by infielddads post, admittedly a bit angry about comaring draft picks, when this was not the intention or thought of the original post. I think this thread took another direction once before, and I know Orlando was a bit upset, she was trying to enjoy the moment and I understand how she felt. I wasn't looking for all feel good stories, just first time impressions to pass along. The milb is different for everyone, just like the HS and college experiences are different for everyone. Some get drafted out of HS, some college. All by different teams some with the same development philsosphies, some not the same. We are learning and so are our players, just like you did and are still doing as your sons are too. I appreciate all that I have learned from some of you, it has been helpful.

Fungo,
Thank you for your post and thank you deldad. Essentially you have given important info without doing so negatively.

I thank all who have been interested in following, but for now I am pullingout of my own post.
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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
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still walked away with a zero ERA.



Hmmmm


I'll be happy to elaborate.

FYI, 3 walks, no strike outs, always behind in the count, not finding the zone, 2 defensive errors that didn't help getting runners on base, hitting a batter who had to come out,2 innings with 35 pitches, it was pretty hard to think he could walk away with no runs. You would have been amazed too, but you would have never posted such a thing in fact most would have not posted that, because for some that may be embarrassing. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A TOP PROSPECT. Prospects struggle just like everyone else. No excuses.
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I had got a little side tracked by infielddads post, admittedly a bit angry about comaring draft picks, when this was not the intention or thought of the original post.


TPM, I am not sure why the inclusion of draft status made you angry or upset.
It was not in any way meant as a slight or in a derogatory way.
David has worked extremely hard. No one gave him a thing. Teams are going to protect the players they draft that high for obvious reasons: they view them as top prospects with huge talent. It is a compliment to David that they are taking no chances or risks.
I pointed out that isn't the case with players drafted lower and valued less within an organization, which I know from personal experience.
As I said, we are coming at this from different perspectives. Nothing wrong, just different.
I am sorry my perspective about the experiences of several other players made you and Orlando angry.
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I can get that info.

I was just pointing out your stats obssesion. I didn't thyink you did that.

Adam Loewen struggled for 3 years. If he can struggle so can you son.

You keep thinking you are the only one who knows what they are doing. My son is struggling like never before. When i try to make sense of it you insult me and litteraly call me a liar. Get some mirrows in your house.

Big bonus players like Adam get more chances tha small bonus people.
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I have no dog in this match,
But I feel that the pressure is not only felt by the players, but by the parents also.
It's not easy being a parent of any pro or college athlete.
And as close as we all are here on the HSBBW, Things can become somewhat Irrational feelings toward are players and there up's and down's as they go thru the process of being the best they can be.
You should all be very proud, and realize that your all going thru the same thing.
PRESSURE.
The pressure is felt by your players no matter when are were they were taken in the Draft.

I'm concerned about the feelings that parents have towards the process.
Is it worth it to you. Do you feel blessed or is the pressure and process just to agonizing.
Lets think back to earlier times in are players life.
Did you ever think you would be were your at today??
Everybody take a deep breath, again, again.
Now let it all go. No Pressure.
EH
One of the biggest things my boy has had to adjust to is the fact that the result is not always the most important thing. He has pitched numerous games this season where the pitching coach limited the number of changeups he could throw for the game to two. Forcing him to use his other pitches. Last year they would ask him to throw nothing but fastballs for the first three innings. No curveballs til the second time through the order. All of these requests are hard to adjust to when you know if you had all your pitches you could perform better. Add this to the players desire to win and it makes for pressure situations.

I feel no pressure. I don't have to throw a pitch. He is a grown man. Moral support and a fan is all I can add at this time. Once in a blue moon I play pitching coach but that is rare anymore.

I think mine falls under that prospect category, but believe me that doesn't mean squat. If somebody is out there performing better, in his organization, they get advanced not the prospect. With the large number of arms in his organization, you can get lost in a hurry.

The comment that mine made recently, was that the hitters in AA are much more advanced than A ball and the difference between double AA hitters and major league hitters is small. The pyramid really begins to narrow.

Bud Black told him in spring training two years ago that he will have 30 starts a year. 10 of them you will be lights out. 10 of them you will be ok. 10 of them you will suck. It is what you do with the 20 starts that you don't have your best stuff that matters. Struggles will happen to them all, it is how they learn. Just keep cheering.
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You should all be very proud, and realize that your all going thru the same thing.
PRESSURE.


EH, I fully agree that is what you would expect. But, I agree with Deldad. The pressure is on the player. I feel I am a much better fan at this point than ever before.
For the first time, I realize how hard it is to play the game. Even more, I appreciate how hard it is to play the game at the level I get to see it played in minor league baseball.
Added to this is the fact that the quality of at bats and how you play is measured more objectively and by quality professionals, and, often times, the quality is measured by the quality of the at bat, not the result of the at bat.
To be candid, after a period of time, you realize it is a business but, much more often than not, the guys in charge know what they are doing in evaluating talent. If your son sticks around 3-4 years, he has talent and then it is a question of how much.
One fascinating aspect this year is to watch a player who didn't get an assignment from Spring training in 2005. He is now, perhaps, having the best season of every player in the organization in AA ball.
It does show how things change.
Our son's organization is quite different than Deldad's in terms of promotions. This year, there have been very, very few at any level, despite some wonderful performances. To me, that does not put pressure on the players, it puts it on the organization because most of these guys are now Rule V players.
While I readily admit I hope our son gets another chance, I know he has given more than 100%. He has provided us some truly wonderful days and nights sitting in wonderful parks, with great people, in parts of this country I would never have visited, but am grateful I did.
More than anything, this is a time to enjoy what your son is doing. More than anything, this is a time where you really feel for kids. Some are told they are not good enough and you watch how much they hurt. Some are traded and you watch your son's friends drive into the night. Some get promoted and are playing with the Jays and you cheer for them on ESPN. Some on the 2007 Blue Jays were kids you took to dinner in 2004 in Lansing, MI. You realize what terrific young men these players really are. Whether they get to the MLB is a measure of their baseball talent. It isn't a measure of their qualities as people.
There isn't any pressure because you are cheering for them all and realize that the process of Milb is usually right in telling which ones have that ability. But they all lived the dream, and not many get to do that.
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From what I've observed firsthand (excuse me FormerObserver Wink) infielddad has his finger on the pulse of what our kids are going through.

3rd rounder with 20+ ERA still getting chances now in his 3rd year. Don't think that would happen for a low round guy.

TPM, sorry you feel offended, but DK has earned his right to be one of the top picks and as such will be given much more latitude than most. You know I wish him and all of our sons the best.

For those who are following this thread, yes, it's not always a bed of roses, but even with the injury Mad I know my son feels blessed and is happy to be playing a game for a living.
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Bud Black told him in spring training two years ago that he will have 30 starts a year. 10 of them you will be lights out. 10 of them you will be ok. 10 of them you will suck. It is what you do with the 20 starts that you don't have your best stuff that matters. Struggles will happen to them all, it is how they learn. Just keep cheering.



That is great advice. I always told my son he would be doing well if 10% of his games were lights out and the rest are down hill from there. Young ball players need that kind of advice to cope with the bad outtings.
I just wanted to thank all of you parents of pro players for posting in this thread, and I truly hope that no one gets a bad taste in their mouth because of a few disagreements or misunderstandings.

As the parent of a college player who is not likely to ever play pro ball, it is so interesting to me to follow your stories of your son's experiences, and your own enjoyment and/or stresses over the ups and downs of your son's ride. I don't know of any other place where I as a parent could "ride along" with you and see what this journey is really like. I wish all of your sons the very best, and hope that they treasure this experience whether it lasts for one season or for twenty.

Julie
I really enjoy hearing from tpm and from the other parents about their new experences. Its a very exciting time!
This is my sons 4th season I know about the thin ice...they will find out about it too ..But right now they are upbeat ,excited and I enjoying sharing this next stage in their sons lives. I think others will learn from it too.
Since my son started playing "complex" ball out of HS I wondered how the college players compared school ball with proball. I think I understand what TPM is saying college is more pressure on winning now.
In the minors there is a plan for each player's development and as long as he achieves the goals the club has set for him, he will continue to play.
Anyway, Keep the up dates coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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External pressure comes in all shapes and sizes and amounts. It can be fair - or unfair.

It can be more at a big name school - and maybe less at a small name school. It can be more - or less - for a pro player depending on what round they were chosen in.

But there isnt much you can do about external pressure. You are not the one applying that pressure.


Internal pressure - IMO - is a totally different story.

Whether it be the little league championship or the World Series - only the player knows how much "real pressure" exists.

Internal pressure - and the way a player deals with it - drives champions.

Its not the only skill they need to succeed - but a players ability to deal with his/her "internal pressure" is a big factor in their success. IMO.

A burning desire to succeed - all the time - is constant internal pressure. How you deal with the realities of that desire has alot to do with your future successes.

IMO
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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
External pressure comes in all shapes and sizes and amounts. It can be fair - or unfair.

It can be more at a big name school - and maybe less at a small name school. It can be more - or less - for a pro player depending on what round they were chosen in.

But there isnt much you can do about external pressure. You are not the one applying that pressure.


Internal pressure - IMO - is a totally different story.

Whether it be the little league championship or the World Series - only the player knows how much "real pressure" exists.

Internal pressure - and the way a player deals with it - drives champions.

Its not the only skill they need to succeed - but a players ability to deal with his/her "internal pressure" is a big factor in their success. IMO.

A burning desire to succeed - all the time - is constant internal pressure. How you deal with the realities of that desire has alot to do with your future successes.

IMO


Nice take its.
The pressure from within is what drives the great ones. You have to be able to handle both types to succeed.
My son was drafted 22nd round 2006 as a senior in college. He's been treated very well and gets a lot of innings (over 70 so far this year) coming out of the bull pen. We understand that he could be let go at any time but he's having a great time playing baseball. He sat with some old guy named Nolan for lunch at his first spring training, saw a lot of some big guy named Roger who has a boy on my sons team. Gets to go to a ball game almost every day and even gets paid a few bucks for it!
He graduated from college with a degree in business management and something in finance but for now he's playing baseball and loving every minute! He stays with a host family about a mile from the park and even has a job when he's in town. He also helped out at a few baseball camps during the season and mows grass for the host family. The host family treats him like royalty and kids are always wanting autograghs.
His little brother was standing by some boys after a game and he walked by and says "hey catch" and tossed him his mitt, the other boys looked in disbelief and then one said "awe dude can I have your hat"? He said nah, I just give away gloves.(So mean) Smile
We talk almost every day and he seems glad to hear from his old dad, and dad loves hearing from him!
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Orlando Jr caught Prepster Jr tonight, and Prepster was there to see it. Great night for the websters. The Ems pitchers are on a strict pitch count, so Rob only threw one inning.....culminating in, according to his catcher, a beautiful double strikeout --- blue didn't like the pretty third strike, so Rob had to throw an even better looking one!

Small baseball world; not only are the two websters' sons playing together, but my son's team also includes two of the opposition from his last college season, a former GSU teammate, and a summer league teammate -- all in the opposite corner of the country.
I understand completely the excitement. Remember it really is a marathon rather than a sprint for nearly everyone.

No single game (maybe the last one) is all that big a deal emotionally in professional baseball, because there's nearly always another game tomorrow. And then the next day and the next day, unless you're a starting pitcher.

If a player looked at everything like a big college weekend series... He'd go nuts at some point! I always looked at professional baseball as another form of education. If you don't learn anything... You flunk!

It's great that we have all these poster's sons now in pro ball. In the end, a few will make it to the top and most won't. Unfortunately, that is the way it works. We might be totally surprised by who makes it and who don't.

Yes, they will give high draft picks more rope, but all of those who are now in the system, have a chance. For the most part, everyone is equal when they take the field. There will be ups and downs for all. But they are all doing what they want to do. No one will ever take away the fact that these kids played professional baseball.

Congrats and best of luck to these kids and to you moms and dads during these exciting times that will probably drive you crazy once in awhile.

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