Good place for the gossip to start.
I know for a FACT that Lynn Vanlandingham has stepped down from coaching the Heat for personal reasons, and that Chris *** will be taking the team over for the fall.
What do you have?
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Doug, I have it on good authority that DBAT is quite happy with their teams heading into the fall and next summer. Sorry that I have no juicy gossip to report from this camp.
I'll try to dig something up to keep you busybodies happy....
I'll try to dig something up to keep you busybodies happy....
Question is, what do you already know? Or, are you board and just trolling for info?
The "I Heard Club"...
There's an old saying about waging tongues...
There's an old saying about waging tongues...
There is no more Dodgers - that is a fact. Gustafson and Christianson are moving to the Mustangs to coach a 16U team.
It will be interesting to see where some of the players end up.
It will be interesting to see where some of the players end up.
Rumor: I'm going to buy you all speel checkers for Christmas! 
quote:Originally posted by crawdad:
There is no more Dodgers - that is a fact. Gustafson and Christianson are moving to the Mustangs to coach a 16U team.
It will be interesting to see where some of the players end up.
I heard Christianson is going to coach a 16 year old team and Gustafson is going to coach a 17 year old team. Can anybody confirm this?
I know most of the ex-dodgers players were invited to go play with the Mustang today in Arlington. That was a Sam invite and sort of a try out to see what they could bring to the table for the fall and spring mustang teams. I might be that fly on the outfield fence.
With a couple of weeks off from baseball, and the change of seasons, there usually are lots of rumors floating around.
Kirk, just thought I would let people post them in one location.
Kirk, just thought I would let people post them in one location.
DBAT GM and Kirk, any truth to the rumor that Lowry's 15's (from this past summer) are abandoning the Mustangs and picking up with DBAT????
Thats what I heard as well. Lowrys team is now the 2006 DBAT 16.
All the changes makes me wonder if it is all about the money.
It's all about money. Visit the team web-sites
and some of them charge a fee to try out. Maybe some organizations do care, I would almost bet that you will find very few that do. They should actually play the Donald Trump theme song
for his show. Money Money Money
and some of them charge a fee to try out. Maybe some organizations do care, I would almost bet that you will find very few that do. They should actually play the Donald Trump theme song
for his show. Money Money Money
Would you like these guys to do it for free and supply the fields, balls and time out of their own pocket? Aren't people supposed to make money from their business ventures? What do you want these guys to do? Live like monks and forage for roots and berries? I admire anybody that is able to supply a place for kids to play, get scouts and college coaches to look at the tournaments, and make a living.
Remember, without these guys, we could all play with our summer hs team. Wouldn't that be fun? Feel free not to have your son sign up, and by all means, don't pay if you don't want to. All teams charge money, and some provide more for the money than others. It is up to the parent to determine the value. I just don't understand complaining about it or making broadbrush statements about the organizations intent without knowing all of the facts. When you do that, expect to read the opposing view.
I can assure you of this, money was not the main focus of our families search. It was competition, learning and being seen. I by no means am rich, so I did my homework and found a way to get the money for the right fit. JMO
Remember, without these guys, we could all play with our summer hs team. Wouldn't that be fun? Feel free not to have your son sign up, and by all means, don't pay if you don't want to. All teams charge money, and some provide more for the money than others. It is up to the parent to determine the value. I just don't understand complaining about it or making broadbrush statements about the organizations intent without knowing all of the facts. When you do that, expect to read the opposing view.
I can assure you of this, money was not the main focus of our families search. It was competition, learning and being seen. I by no means am rich, so I did my homework and found a way to get the money for the right fit. JMO
Yes, Lowry's team is now DBAT 16 for 2006. Kurt has been an instructor at DBAT for some time now and we are fortunate to have his team as part of the DBAT family.
As far as money goes, I can assure you that Cade and Kyle Griffis are out an astounding amount of money to support the DBAT select baseball program. The cost to our fall players is less than most others at $375. This fee covers our fall expenses as our kids get great exposure at Baylor, DBU, Rice, Texas, Texas Tech, UTA and the PG Showcase in Florida.
As far as money goes, I can assure you that Cade and Kyle Griffis are out an astounding amount of money to support the DBAT select baseball program. The cost to our fall players is less than most others at $375. This fee covers our fall expenses as our kids get great exposure at Baylor, DBU, Rice, Texas, Texas Tech, UTA and the PG Showcase in Florida.
As Dbat 18 GM says, Lowry's Mustangs will be Dbat's 16 year old team next year.
Since it is out in the public domain, I want to say that this change is not because the Mustangs-Lowry were upset with the Mustangs organization. On the contrary, we were treated very fair and everything was done with class. I will not go into why me made the change other than, we are very excited about our opportunities with Dbat.
Dbat 18 GM, how do I cut and paste the Dbat emblem under my name?
Since it is out in the public domain, I want to say that this change is not because the Mustangs-Lowry were upset with the Mustangs organization. On the contrary, we were treated very fair and everything was done with class. I will not go into why me made the change other than, we are very excited about our opportunities with Dbat.
Dbat 18 GM, how do I cut and paste the Dbat emblem under my name?
quote:Originally posted by Turn-two:
It's all about money. Visit the team web-sites
and some of them charge a fee to try out. Maybe some organizations do care, I would almost bet that you will find very few that do. They should actually play the Donald Trump theme song
for his show. Money Money Money
Stirring the pot on your second post? Dbat-Lowry had a tryout today and we didn't charge one cent for the kids to tryout. Furthermore, every penny the parents spend on our team will go towards the boys playing baseball!
Kirk, you have a PM.
Dbat 18 GM /kirk,
If you read the post. I said you will find very
few that care. As I do not have kids at the playing age. I here people at work and around complaining. I for one would not mind paying provided it is going to good use. (ie. Coaching, meaning kids are actually being coached not watched) Every child is a gem. However, some gems shine brighter. The ones that do not shine so bright at first, does not mean the cannot play. They may be the ones we watch on TV or in person. From what I have heard and read the D-Bat organization appears to be the best in the Dallas/Ft. Worth and surounding area. Stirring the pot on the second post, yes I was. Should I have probably not. But, what difference does it make, if it's the second or 200th post. It is freedom of speach in this country. It appeared to strike a sour cord. you two handled it better than the other person. If the coaches or the organization is only in it for the money, then they are in it for the wrong reason. IMO..Good Luck to all..
If you read the post. I said you will find very
few that care. As I do not have kids at the playing age. I here people at work and around complaining. I for one would not mind paying provided it is going to good use. (ie. Coaching, meaning kids are actually being coached not watched) Every child is a gem. However, some gems shine brighter. The ones that do not shine so bright at first, does not mean the cannot play. They may be the ones we watch on TV or in person. From what I have heard and read the D-Bat organization appears to be the best in the Dallas/Ft. Worth and surounding area. Stirring the pot on the second post, yes I was. Should I have probably not. But, what difference does it make, if it's the second or 200th post. It is freedom of speach in this country. It appeared to strike a sour cord. you two handled it better than the other person. If the coaches or the organization is only in it for the money, then they are in it for the wrong reason. IMO..Good Luck to all..
quote:Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:
Doug, I have it on good authority that DBAT is quite happy with their teams heading into the fall and next summer. Sorry that I have no juicy gossip to report from this camp.
I'll try to dig something up to keep you busybodies happy....
quote:Yes, Lowry's team is now DBAT 16 for 2006. Kurt has been an instructor at DBAT for some time now and we are fortunate to have his team as part of the DBAT family.
John,
Don't know about you, but to me, these two quotes are on the opposite end of the scale. No news.....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Congrats to the Lowry boys, that's a special group.
WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN??? I'M ALWAYS THE LAST TO KNOW! 
We have all this red and blue!
We have all this red and blue!quote:KellerDad
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Posted August 14, 2005 08:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by DBAT 18 GM:
Doug, I have it on good authority that DBAT is quite happy with their teams heading into the fall and next summer. Sorry that I have no juicy gossip to report from this camp.
I'll try to dig something up to keep you busybodies happy....
quote:
Yes, Lowry's team is now DBAT 16 for 2006. Kurt has been an instructor at DBAT for some time now and we are fortunate to have his team as part of the DBAT family.
John,
Don't know about you, but to me, these two quotes are on the opposite end of the scale. No news.....HAHAHAHAHAHA
Congrats to the Lowry boys, that's a special group.
Must've slipped my mind, and, hey, a lot can happen in 48 hours! Anyways, I dug around some and that's the best I could find...
quote:From what I have heard and read the D-Bat organization appears to be the best in the Dallas/Ft. Worth and surounding area.
I bet there are some others that would beg to differ on this broad stoke. Granted they are a very talented organization. However, labeling them the best is in the eye of the beholder.
JMO
You say that you were treated fairly by the Mustang organization, however you still made the switch? That smells of something and doesnt' seem to be the way you treat a class guy like Sam Carpenter. Didn't he take you all in last year with open arms...what, something better (supposedly) comes along and you abandon them? Just another example of what is wrong with select baseball in Dallas/Ft Worth. Hope it works out for you all, I doubt very seriously that the grass is any greener where you are going.
Well Keller dad, you got them started now. This thread will go on for the next 6 weeks
This thread will go on for the next 6 weeks
Leftfield9 -- first post -- you're baiting -- but I'll take the bait. Sam Carpenter and the Mustang organization is first-class, including the other teams in our age group. Coaches Sharp, Wortham, and Rosar are great baseball guys. We were treated fairly, but this isn't really a question of loyalty. Many on our team have a long-term relationship with DBAT -- this is more of a natural "move", and should not shock anyone. Our GM is a long-time personal friend of Cade's and Kyle's -- and Curt Lowry works at DBAT. Sam was aware of these things when he accepted us. Also, we paid the same "fees" as every other Mustang team. We did not receive special treatment and did not expect it. We joined the Mustangs with a plan to remain there. None in our group is angry with the Mustangs. Our coaches and parents respect Sam and his baseball "history". One of our guys plays for Sam at St. Marks. This move is an opportunity. We will be the sole 16U team at DBAT.
This isn't a conspiracy to make anyone look bad. It's not that complicated really. Mustangs loyalists, I have a feeling you have faced similar decisions along the way. Our management team's decision is good for us today -- is the grass greener? -- who knows? In either case, having a great group of talented players and excellent parents is our key ingredient -- wherever we play.
Both organizations will continue to provide opportunity to their players. The Mustangs will continue to have a special place in my son's "baseball heart" -- and we hope Sam and his group will continue to look forward to playing with us and against us.
Sorry if my "rebuttal" doesn't stir up much controversy.
-PD
This isn't a conspiracy to make anyone look bad. It's not that complicated really. Mustangs loyalists, I have a feeling you have faced similar decisions along the way. Our management team's decision is good for us today -- is the grass greener? -- who knows? In either case, having a great group of talented players and excellent parents is our key ingredient -- wherever we play.
Both organizations will continue to provide opportunity to their players. The Mustangs will continue to have a special place in my son's "baseball heart" -- and we hope Sam and his group will continue to look forward to playing with us and against us.
Sorry if my "rebuttal" doesn't stir up much controversy.
-PD
Classy post, PD. Speaks well for all involved.
Loyalty to an organization lasts one season that you pay for. Period. Each season you have to assess your situation and priorities and do what is best for you child.
noticed the number of "new" posters that jumped on this one! 
quote:Originally posted by Leftfield9:
You say that you were treated fairly by the Mustang organization, however you still made the switch? That smells of something and doesnt' seem to be the way you treat a class guy like Sam Carpenter. Didn't he take you all in last year with open arms...what, something better (supposedly) comes along and you abandon them? Just another example of what is wrong with select baseball in Dallas/Ft Worth. Hope it works out for you all, I doubt very seriously that the grass is any greener where you are going.
Thumper's mom always said, "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
Such drama........who started this mess anyways.
Sounds like this can make for 1 great team, but where do the left-overs go?
I apologize that my comments appear as not being nice. My whole point is that loyalty seems to be a thing of the past, not just in baseball but in society as a whole. Again, I wish you and Curt luck, however, as stacked as you all will be that my wishing you luck really isn't necessary.
Longtoss -- it's like most other teams. DBAT will provide a number of tryout dates and continue to assess players that want to be involved. But (also like most teams) there are very good players that may not be a good "fit". Yesterday, we saw 8 good players. In my opinion -- which really doesn't matter in the formulation of this roster, I'm just a dad -- some of them are good enough to play on this team....but....they may not be a good fit in terms of their goals or desires. It seems to me that most tryouts -- for the BigTimers or the Mustangs or the Tigers or anyone -- focus on "needs". Our team has specific needs. You can fill in the blanks. I do know that "pitcher only" players are becoming a hot commodity. The question is...are 15-16 year olds, and their parents, ready to accept that role? In some cases, that might be a perfect opportunity.
Few organizations have A and B teams (is that politically correct?). So, "leftovers" (your word) are indeed left to find an ideal spot elsewhere. In that regard, select baseball is cold. In the case where the players are good enough but do not "fit" -- there are usually several options -- and most do very well.
This particular situation is no different than those that considered the Dodgers last year.
Let's talk about OTHER rumors!
-PD
Few organizations have A and B teams (is that politically correct?). So, "leftovers" (your word) are indeed left to find an ideal spot elsewhere. In that regard, select baseball is cold. In the case where the players are good enough but do not "fit" -- there are usually several options -- and most do very well.
This particular situation is no different than those that considered the Dodgers last year.
Let's talk about OTHER rumors!
-PD
Leftfield9, thanks for the kind comments regarding our team. We have all worked hard, over the years, to get to the point we are now. If you don't beleive me, just ask my wife.
Regarding loyalty, I am not a cut throat type of person. Our decision was based on a lot of factors, including my relationship with Dbat. My relationship with Dbat was not the over riding factor but certainly was part of the discussions. I don't feel comfortable talking about those reasons on a baseball message board but suffice it to say, we made this change because we thought it was best for all involved. Our decision was unamimous and we will not look back.
Again, I am very grateful to Sam Carpenter and the Mustangs organization for all of their help this past year. Sam was very gracious when we told him about our decision and has moved on, i.e. Dodgers merger. We look forward to many great games with the Mustangs, Tigers, etc. in the years to come.
Regarding loyalty, I am not a cut throat type of person. Our decision was based on a lot of factors, including my relationship with Dbat. My relationship with Dbat was not the over riding factor but certainly was part of the discussions. I don't feel comfortable talking about those reasons on a baseball message board but suffice it to say, we made this change because we thought it was best for all involved. Our decision was unamimous and we will not look back.
Again, I am very grateful to Sam Carpenter and the Mustangs organization for all of their help this past year. Sam was very gracious when we told him about our decision and has moved on, i.e. Dodgers merger. We look forward to many great games with the Mustangs, Tigers, etc. in the years to come.
Kirk,
I'm not sure why this surprises anybody. I was surprised you guys weren't playing thru DBAT last year. Seemed like the logical place then and now. JMO.
I'm not sure why this surprises anybody. I was surprised you guys weren't playing thru DBAT last year. Seemed like the logical place then and now. JMO.
honest & unbiased -- we chose the Mustangs in '05 primarily because Curt was available after his dis-association with the Tigers. As you know, it was our first partnership with a paid coach. Curt joined Sam's team, then we joined Curt's. That may simplify things a bit, but there's not a lot of complexity here.
Panther Dad,
Never thought there was a lot of complexity involved. As much time as Kirk spends at DBAT and based on his relationship with them, it just seamed to be a logical choice to me all along. Now that Curt is teaching there it makes more and more sense. Hope you guys have a great fall.
Never thought there was a lot of complexity involved. As much time as Kirk spends at DBAT and based on his relationship with them, it just seamed to be a logical choice to me all along. Now that Curt is teaching there it makes more and more sense. Hope you guys have a great fall.
I think it would be fun to discuss rumors surrounding your son's '06 team!
Panther Dad,
High school or select?
High school or select?