Norfolk St 12 ODU 5

Coach Clark has proven to be very resourceful and forward thinking. He has been recruiting players from the local area who love and want to play baseball. He has been spending a lot of time in his back yard and I am not convinced that ODU has. If ODU does not figure this out soon they can expect more of the same.

Before Redbird calls me out of hiding, I will show up on my own!
I was not able to attend the game because of work, but spent a few minutes to read the stats.
Mathews, there is no way anyone can assume one way or another about ODU recruiting, but I did do some math. NS had a total of 10 players and ODU had a total of 8 players in their stats that I would consider players within a radius around the Norfolk area. All of ODU's pitching was within this radius while NS used the majority (5.2) innings from outside this radius.
With that being said, obviously the coach at NS is doing an outstanding job, with all of his players, both in his back yard and out.

Let's just call it what it is, according to the stats, ODU did not play well.(I would use another word, but it would be bleeped) In fact, I think all of the errors were by "local" players. Today was the first outing for Brett Harris. I am sure that as the season continues he will improve. He did a great job last year, so let's hope he stays healthy. Not sure why some of the other starters didn't play.

And yes, Grasscutter, I do believe they could use Difulgo, both now and in the future. And yes, these losses are killing me, thanks for your concern.

Nice with for NS. Coach Clark is a great guy and is doing a terrific job. I actually coached one of his players a couple of years in hs Jon Lynch before he had to move back home to Va for his sr year.

Yankee fan...

I am not assuming anything. If the ODU coach walked in front of me, I would not be able to pick him out of a line up. The fact is, Coach Clark is showing up everywhere in the local area. From Grand Slam 2 to high school baseball games and practices. I would hope that ODU will take notice. There are some great players in the Tidewater and they are going to schools other than ODU. Brett Harris is just one example of the exception and Gary Ward will be a great adddition next year. 10 to 8. Are you kidding me? That is the best arguement you have That is exactly my point. Thanks for making it easy for me.

I am missing your point, maybe it is late and past my bedtime. I do know what the ODU coaches look like and they must be at local events because they had at least 8 players from the radius today. By the way, I have seen them at many games, high school included. Perhaps since you do not know what they look like, you wouldn't know if they were there or not.
I would guess you are saying that there is a large difference between 10 and 8. Interesting enough that the local guys from both teams had almost the exact same batting average, if I did the math right. The real difference seemed to be in the pitching that NS had from out of area guys.
So back to the original point, it has nothing to do with local versus non-local. ODU sucked today and NS did better. That's what is easy about it.
I think that I debated this with you last year at ODU.
There are a lot of great players from Tidewater that go other places than ODU and Norfolk State. To make a blanket statement that ODU only has Harris and Ward (next year) that are the execption only show your ignorance of the program at ODU.

Why can't you just give Coach Clark the credit he deserves for doing a great job at Norfolk State. It is not necessary to bring down another program because they didn't come to Greenbriar Christian to recruit your son. (just saying)

Lynn Metheny

By the way, maybe you can explain something to me that would be productive.

Why does NS only play 12 conference games? I was trying to figure some of this stuff, because I truly had no idea anything about NS. I noticed that NS has only played 13 games to ODU's 23. Then I realized that the schedules are way different. Including, the fact that NS has 12 conference games scheduled and ODU has 24 scheduled. I know they are in different conferences.

But why are the total games so different?

Just recieved a text message from a guy from Hickory High School. It read, from the rosters on line, ODU has 16 local players and NS has 17. Wonder if that is accurate?
Great job Norfolk State in the win today!

Not sure why the difference in game schedules. That is a great question and I am not the right guy to ask. After some quick home work I do know that NS has 6 true freshmen from the Tidewater and ODU has zero.

Sammy Serafine 2B Fr. Chesapeake, Va. / Greenbrier Christian
Raymond Morton RHP Fr. Chesapeake, Va. / Greenbrier Christian
Greg Abetz RHP Fr. Norfolk, Va. / Granby HS
Shane Hoggard 1B Fr. Hampton, Va. / Bethel HS
Trevor Hinson RHP Fr. Virginia Beach, Va. / First Colonial HS
Jordan Egan RHP Fr. Virginia Beach, Va. / First Colonial HS

By the way you have me confused with someone else. I have never been to an ODU game. I have been to a couple of NS games though. It is hard to get to the games because of my own son's baseball schedules. HS and weekend tournaments.

I will take your word on the ODU coaches working the local area because I admit I do not know who they are.

Also, Cameron Day from Landstown will be headed to NS next year....

I was being facetious. You know the dad who comes to the region games at ODU and sits there and complains because ODU did not recruit their son.

But a word of advice, before you post on here, do your homework. You are not just ignorant about ODU but also Norfolk State.

Upon going through your website, there are 8 true freshman (unless they are no longer with the team and the website has not been updated). You left out Taylor and Salter.

So, the moral of the story is that ODU didn't recruit 8 local guys for this year and Norfolk State did. How many roster spots did ODU have to fill this year? Norfolk State has a total of 10 true freshman on a squad of 28.

By the way, all the questions I have ask you, I already know the answer. I was intending for you to do your homework, before putting out information on a public forum.

Lynn Metheny

Am surprised that someone in the know has not listed those players from the area incoming to the two schools next year. Saw Cameron Day listed above for NS. Have not seen Cody Cox listed in this thread (unless I missed it) for ODU. Who else?

According to ODU website, there are 7 seniors this year. There have been 6 letters of intent signed. Have heard great things about Cody Cox, but have not seen him. Verlander's little brother has also signed, did see him, great potential. Ward also signed.

Am not doing anymore homework on NS, but did speak to Cameron Day a few weeks ago. What a beast. Watched him hitting in the cage. Has a great GPA and great athletic ability. The Difulgo kid from Kellam is also committed to NS. Don't know who else. With 10 freshman this year, not sure what their roster limit is.
Also, don't know what happened to the Bright kid from Ocean Lakes that should have been a senior this year at NS. He was doing well but is no longer on the roster??????

I think the interesting thing about this game is that NSU is an up and coming program and is becoming more competitive. This should be good for baseball in the tidewater area as now the rivalry between ODU and NSU is more competitive. As a parent of a baseball player in the tidewater area, you have to notice that the 2 college teams in this area are becoming more competitive. As a parent, I have noticed that 8 freshman on the NSU team are from the tidewater area and they have all had significant playing time and have done well. I would like to congratulate Coach Clark for the good job he has done in recruiting. I also wish ODU well as it is in the best interest of the tidewater area if both teams do well.

Thank you for reiterating my point. Give Coach Clark credit without demeaning another program. Well said!

'43, are you calm now? Thought something was in a bind there a little bit ago. It's no secret Coach Clark has recruited heavily around town, especially the last couple of years (mostly by himself from I have seen). It's also no secret that ODU had it's recruiting coordinator leave last season, but I don't think that had a negative effect on their "gets". Coach Goulet is just as capable as Coach Morris was and has already been pounding the pavement around here. I don't think anyone can doubt ODU's success in this area since the Guzzo regime. Let's face it, this season's records are what they are. That can be contributed to more than just who on the squads from the area.

The high school signees for NSU are right handed pitcher Jeff DiFulgo (Virginia Beach, Va./Kellam HS), pitcher/first baseman Jason Ellington (Newport News, Va./Warwick HS), right handed pitcher/outfielder Chase Kyriacou (Virginia Beach, Va./Cox HS) and outfielder Cameron Day (Virginia Beach, Va./Landstown HS). Also, I believe Robbie Brownschidle (Grafton) is a Red-Shirt Freshman (due to injury).

ODU has signed Joey Burney out of Gloucester along with Cody Cox (Grassfield)......I know of at least one more talented player on their radar from the local area, but no commit until I know it's official.

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'43, are you calm now? Thought something was in a bind there a little bit ago. It's no secret Coach Clark has recruited heavily around town, especially the last couple of years (mostly by himself from what I have seen). It's also no secret that ODU had it's recruiting coordinator leave last season, but I don't think that had a negative effect on their "gets". Coach Goulet is just as capable as Coach Morris was and has already been pounding the pavement around here. I don't think anyone can doubt ODU's success in this area since the Guzzo regime. Let's face it, this season's records are what they are. That can be attributed to more than just who are on the squads from the area.

Knew I was typing too fast.

Billy,

I was under the impression that he was off the radar because of academic issues.

The kid I'm referring to does not have an academic issue.......

Staff members from ODU have been to many games, not just big games, but like yesterday when F.C played Tallwood, ODU was there. I have seen Nate and others even at Fall Ball games. Trust me, ODU is scouting the area. But, there are many factors besides talent.

Grasscutter,

I noticed "Nugget" was not on the ODU coaches roster this year. Where is he now?

Ryan went to Cape Henry as the "activity" director and baseball coach. You can see the info at the Cape Henry website.
I joke him that the tuition there is more than the tuition was at ODU!

I have to agree with odubaseball, "there are many factors besides talent comment." When NSU is able to pass out 100% scholarships they are bound to get a considerable influx of on the fence recruits with talent. Not that coach Clark is not working his tail off, but coach Meyers or coach Goulet can not begin to compete with those kind of offers. With that being said ODU seems to have a very talented class coming to campus this fall.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DCHEAT:
I have to agree with odubaseball, "there are many factors besides talent comment." When NSU is able to pass out 100% scholarships they are bound to get a considerable influx of on the fence recruits with talent. Not that coach Clark is not working his tail off, but coach Meyers or coach Goulet can not begin to compete with those kind of offers.


DC... I am curious.. How is NSU able to offer 100% scholarships when only 11.7 are available to the 27 scholarship kids?? Do they have some sort of program that I might need to check into?

I don't think every baseball player is on 100% scholarship at NSU. I think D1 rules don't allow that. All D1 schools get the same number of scholarships (11.7). Maybe some kids are overlooked by other schools and are more then capable to play D1 baseball even if they have to pay for all or part of college.

Va that is a great question that to be honest I don't have the answer. But I will tell you that if your son is an above average talent and wants to attend NSU he can get that offer. I know of several and was offered that ourself. Must have to do with other money available to him. The 11.7 is baseball money I think. They can have 35 players on their roster but only 27 can be on athletic scholarship if I'm not mistaken. I think there is academic money and other creative money available. I am not trying to start anything just responding to your question.

sofine just to be clear I did not say every kid was on 100% scholarship.

DC.. Yes I have spent many night researching all this as my son is a Junior now so its becoming about that time.

I was under that impression the academic and other types of funds to a player would count against the teams scholarship allotment funds, I hope I am wrong..:-)

Vaangelsfan, My understanding is that academic money, if truly academic money (there are grade criteria) does not count against the 11.7, that financial aid does, and awards / scholarships based upon athletic performance (such as a scholarship from the sports club for being a great athlete) do count against the 11.7. If motivated enough to look, one probably could find it all in the NCAA rules on the Internet.

That's another reason why grades are important. If they are good enough, an institution / baseball program can get money to a player without "digging in" to their 11.7.

There are different rules for D1, D2 and D3. The rules recently changed, including red shirt rules, transfer rules, etc. Yes, you can get it all on line. Some schools do not have "fully funded" scholarships. Some schools have actually been penalized and have lost some of that scholarship 11.7.
The rule that probably applies here is the minimum percentage a D1 can offer for a scholarship. This percentage has increased in the past few years. Not sure what it is now, but it was 20%. Therefore, giving a full 100% really ties a coaches hands. I believe some players are recruited with the hope that next year the money will increase.

Sorry, I was addressing a D-1 situation. Yankeesfan, the minimum now is 25% if money is awarded that counts against the equivalency (the 11.7). An exception I just read is on need based money. The recipient can receive less than 25% if it is need based money that is awarded to nonathletes on a similar basis.

The NCAA rules, all 400+ pages, can be downloaded for free but the easiest way for to find some of the answers is to talk with an NCAA compliance person at the institution your athlete is considering. Also, some of the bigger institutions have great web sites explaining some of the recruiting rules and/or money rules.

As for academic money not counting against the 11.7 D1 scholarships, the NCAA rules contain the following which, at quick perusal, appear to apply to baseball as well as other sports:

15.5.3.2.2.1 Academic Honor Awards. Academic honor awards that are part of an institution’s
normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient’s high school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, are exempt from an institution’s equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200 (critical reading and math).

Again, academics are important.