quote:Originally posted by bxbomber:
Oakton 15 - Robinson 3
Oakton on a little streak with three district wins in a row.
Bats are alive again: averaging 9 RPG over past 4 games.
Bats are alive again: averaging 9 RPG over past 4 games.
Bats are alive again: averaging 9 RPG over past 4 games.
Westfield 5 - Centreville 2
West Springfield defeats TC williams 6-2. Connor Tagg pitches a complete game for the victory. donnie Haueptle was 4-4 with a double and 4 RBI
quote:Originally posted by army89:
West Springfield defeats TC williams 6-2. Connor Tagg pitches a complete game for the victory. donnie Haueptle was 4-4 with a double and 4 RBI
Nice...2 great kids!
A few rainouts last night, but here are the standings with one week left in regular season:
Concorde District
Westfield 13-4 6-2
Centreville 14-4 5-3
Chantilly 11-5 4-3
Robinson 9-8 4-3
Oakton 8-8 2-5
Herndon 8-6 1-6
Liberty District
Stone Bridge 13-4 10-1
McLean 13-5 10-2
Madison 13-5 7-5
Langley 9-6 7-5
Marshall 9-6 7-5
Fairfax 4-9 4-8
South Lakes 4-12 2-9
Jefferson 2-14 0-12
National District
Yorktown 16-3 12-1
Stuart 12-5 10-2
Hayfield 11-6 10-3
Edison 7-11 6-6
Washington-Lee 8-11 5-7
Mount Vernon 4-13 4-9
Wakefield 3-16 3-10
Falls Church 1-16 1-12
Patriot District
Lake Braddock 17-1 12-0
West Springfield 11-6 9-3
South County 12-4 7-4
W.T. Woodson 9-8 6-5
West Potomac 9-8 5-6
T.C. Williams 7-11 4-8
Annandale 2-11 2-10
Lee 4-13 1-10
Concorde District
Westfield 13-4 6-2
Centreville 14-4 5-3
Chantilly 11-5 4-3
Robinson 9-8 4-3
Oakton 8-8 2-5
Herndon 8-6 1-6
Liberty District
Stone Bridge 13-4 10-1
McLean 13-5 10-2
Madison 13-5 7-5
Langley 9-6 7-5
Marshall 9-6 7-5
Fairfax 4-9 4-8
South Lakes 4-12 2-9
Jefferson 2-14 0-12
National District
Yorktown 16-3 12-1
Stuart 12-5 10-2
Hayfield 11-6 10-3
Edison 7-11 6-6
Washington-Lee 8-11 5-7
Mount Vernon 4-13 4-9
Wakefield 3-16 3-10
Falls Church 1-16 1-12
Patriot District
Lake Braddock 17-1 12-0
West Springfield 11-6 9-3
South County 12-4 7-4
W.T. Woodson 9-8 6-5
West Potomac 9-8 5-6
T.C. Williams 7-11 4-8
Annandale 2-11 2-10
Lee 4-13 1-10
Lot of automatic regional bids still up for grabs. Believe that the only teams to have clinched their spots are Lake Braddock, Stone Bridge, and McLean. Yorktown may have as well but I dont know all the tie breaking scenarios in the National (would expect them to win out anyway).
The Concorde will be fun to watch going into the last week. Will also be interesting to keep an eye on the battle for 2nd in the Patriot as well. Finishing 2nd means an automatic regional birth. Finishing 3rd might mean having to beat Grosser to get there. Big difference in those two situations.
The Concorde will be fun to watch going into the last week. Will also be interesting to keep an eye on the battle for 2nd in the Patriot as well. Finishing 2nd means an automatic regional birth. Finishing 3rd might mean having to beat Grosser to get there. Big difference in those two situations.
Oakton 4 - Centreville 2
Oakton now 4-5 with a 4 game winning streak in the district... getting hot at the right time.
Oakton plays Westfield in senior night Friday
Centreville is 5-4 plays Chantilly Friday( who had Robinson tonight, perhaps MR BIG will have a score)
Oakton now 4-5 with a 4 game winning streak in the district... getting hot at the right time.
Oakton plays Westfield in senior night Friday
Centreville is 5-4 plays Chantilly Friday( who had Robinson tonight, perhaps MR BIG will have a score)
West Springfield 6
South County 10
#2 seed in the Patriot and automatic regional berth now back in play.
South County 10
#2 seed in the Patriot and automatic regional berth now back in play.
Robinson won 4-3 against Chantilly
In the Robinson/Chantilly Game, Robinson got behind early making 3 infield errors in the 1st inning, allowing Chantilly to take the early lead. However, Robinson pulled it out late with 3 runs in the 7th, the big hit being a 2 RBI Double high off the Center Field fense by Denis Mikush. Mikush also pitched 4-1/3 innings, allowing only one hit and having 9 Ks. Matt Spaulding pitched the final 2-2/3 innings to pick up the win, allowing only one additional hit.
To show how competitive the Concord conference is this year, Robinson has both won and lost to every team in the conference, with the exception of Herndon. They play Herndon again this Friday.
Robinson and Centerville are now tied for 2nd place in conference (5 - 4). The two teams split one run victories during the season.
Robinson and Centerville are now tied for 2nd place in conference (5 - 4). The two teams split one run victories during the season.
How about this scenario:
Oakton beats Westfield
Chantilly beats Centreveille
Herndon beats Robinson
Westfield 7-3
Centreville,Chantilly, Oakton, and Robinson 5-5
Who figures out that tie breaker
Herndon 3-7
Oakton beats Westfield
Chantilly beats Centreveille
Herndon beats Robinson
Westfield 7-3
Centreville,Chantilly, Oakton, and Robinson 5-5
Who figures out that tie breaker
Herndon 3-7
With the above scenario:
Posted by vabaseballfan last year:
I believe each district in the NR does it this way:
1- head to head
2- record vs top seed
3- record vs next seeds in order
All the seeds are determined in this fashion. If teams have beaten and lost to identical teams then the first tie breaker is record vs. common out of district opponents. Then if that still doesnt break it its a coin flip.
Centreville would drop to 5th seed because they were 0-2 against Westfield
Oakton and Chantilly would have a coin flip for second because:
Oakton holds edge over Robinson with WS win
Chantilly holds edge over Robinson with Battlefield win
I think!! Extra time on my hands today..
Posted by vabaseballfan last year:
I believe each district in the NR does it this way:
1- head to head
2- record vs top seed
3- record vs next seeds in order
All the seeds are determined in this fashion. If teams have beaten and lost to identical teams then the first tie breaker is record vs. common out of district opponents. Then if that still doesnt break it its a coin flip.
Centreville would drop to 5th seed because they were 0-2 against Westfield
Oakton and Chantilly would have a coin flip for second because:
Oakton holds edge over Robinson with WS win
Chantilly holds edge over Robinson with Battlefield win
I think!! Extra time on my hands today..
Wow. This is an exciting end to the season!
Woodson 1
WS 3
West Springfield appeared to have the 2 seed in the Patriot locked up until:
Lake Braddock 6
South County 8
So Lake Braddock(1) and South County(2) earn the automatic regional bids, while West Springfield(3) and Woodson(4) each need to win one game in districts to get to regionals.
WS 3
West Springfield appeared to have the 2 seed in the Patriot locked up until:
Lake Braddock 6
South County 8
So Lake Braddock(1) and South County(2) earn the automatic regional bids, while West Springfield(3) and Woodson(4) each need to win one game in districts to get to regionals.
So the way I see it, Westfield (7-2) has the #1 seed wrapped up. Robinson (5-4) can wrap up the #2 seed with a win against Herndon (2-7). From the games I have seen this year, anything can happen.
Oakton beats Westfield 4-2 ends up 5-5 in district
Centreville beats Chantilly 7-3
Centreville beats Chantilly 7-3
Langley beats Mclean 3-2
-Incredible atmosphere at this game between these neighborhood rivals. Josh Sborz started on the mound for McLean, while Michael Byrne countered for Langley. 1-1 pitchers duel until the 5th inning when Colin Cantwell of Langley hit a two run home run off of Sborz to put Langley ahead for good. Matt Moser shuts down McLean for the final two innings to get the save. Interesting storyline in the game being that Sborz/Brock Hunter of McLean lose on McLean's Senior night to Langley, after the two of them both played their freshmen years at Langley before transferring to McLean.
-Incredible atmosphere at this game between these neighborhood rivals. Josh Sborz started on the mound for McLean, while Michael Byrne countered for Langley. 1-1 pitchers duel until the 5th inning when Colin Cantwell of Langley hit a two run home run off of Sborz to put Langley ahead for good. Matt Moser shuts down McLean for the final two innings to get the save. Interesting storyline in the game being that Sborz/Brock Hunter of McLean lose on McLean's Senior night to Langley, after the two of them both played their freshmen years at Langley before transferring to McLean.
Talk about another "Strange but True" incident, that happened during the Robinson/Herndon Game on Friday night. Herndon took an early 4 - 0 lead. Later in the game, Patrick Baker hit what appeared to be a game tying Home Run, over the "Hit it Here" bulls eye target sign in Center Field. He crosses home plate with a celebration of players. He even goes back a second time to step on home plate to make sure, before going to the dugout. The umpire proceeds to call him out for missing home plate, thus actually missing home plate twice.
This was the 2nd time in the past few games that an umpire has called out a Robinson runner for missing home plate on plays that did not even draw a throw home. Baker lost his HR and was only credited with a 3 RBI triple. Robinson tied the game in the next inning and won it in 10 innings, with Baker pitching the final 4 innings of shutout ball.
Robinson, by picking up 2nd place in the Concord, will now be assured of participating in the Northern Regional playoffs for what I was told 16 consecutive years. It helps having only six teams in the conference, but still not a bad record.
This was the 2nd time in the past few games that an umpire has called out a Robinson runner for missing home plate on plays that did not even draw a throw home. Baker lost his HR and was only credited with a 3 RBI triple. Robinson tied the game in the next inning and won it in 10 innings, with Baker pitching the final 4 innings of shutout ball.
Robinson, by picking up 2nd place in the Concord, will now be assured of participating in the Northern Regional playoffs for what I was told 16 consecutive years. It helps having only six teams in the conference, but still not a bad record.
Interesting. Do let us know who @ VHSL ruled on the coach's protest, ok?
Or (assuming you have correctly described the play) are the coaches completely unaware of the rules?
Or (assuming you have correctly described the play) are the coaches completely unaware of the rules?
What precise rule or rules are you referring to Jess?
8-2 article 5 NFHS.
I thought this was appeal-based. Did HHS appeal?quote:Originally posted by Jess1:
8-2 article 5 NFHS.
That's the $1,000,000 question. W/O a proper appeal the ump stepped way over bounds...
Is this the rule.
If a runner who misses any base (including home plate) or leaves a base too early, desires to return to touch the base, he must do so immediately. If the ball becomes dead and the runner is on or beyond a succeeding base, he cannot return to the missed base and, therefore, is subject to being declared out upon proper and successful appeal.
If a runner who misses any base (including home plate) or leaves a base too early, desires to return to touch the base, he must do so immediately. If the ball becomes dead and the runner is on or beyond a succeeding base, he cannot return to the missed base and, therefore, is subject to being declared out upon proper and successful appeal.
In this case (home), "missed" becomes "left the area" (RIM), as the runner has touched all available bases.
For example, HR, runner legally touches 1,2,3, then stands alongside home for a "celebration" while the PU stands up & F2 walks around and THEN touches - it is a legal touch and should be held so upon appeal.
OTOH, runner does above but goes into the dugout or over by the on deck circle & then rushes back out to touch - is now liable to be put out on a proper appeal.
For example, HR, runner legally touches 1,2,3, then stands alongside home for a "celebration" while the PU stands up & F2 walks around and THEN touches - it is a legal touch and should be held so upon appeal.
OTOH, runner does above but goes into the dugout or over by the on deck circle & then rushes back out to touch - is now liable to be put out on a proper appeal.
So, if the base, in question, is Home Plate, then, even if the ball becomes dead he can return and touch Home Plate, since the runner is not on or past a succeeding base, right. I assume he was not tagged out. I'm asking, I don't know.
HR = dead ball. All play stops except baserunning, which still has to follow the rules. A runner can miss a base but has to return & touch it BEFORE touching the next base, or, in the case of missing home has to touch it BEFORE leaving the area around home.
IF the defense DOES NOT execute a correct appeal the run scores.
IF the runner took a couple of steps away while celebrating & then touched home? Score the run. Appeal denied.
HTH.
IF the defense DOES NOT execute a correct appeal the run scores.
IF the runner took a couple of steps away while celebrating & then touched home? Score the run. Appeal denied.
HTH.
Gents - I was at this game and happened to be staring at Home plate and watching closely throughout. Baker undoubtedly did miss home plate - many saw it - it was not close. The celebration continued and Baker left the dirt area and moved toward the dugout. I'm not sure how far he got - but he definitely left the dirt beyond the white line and into the grass near the on-deck circle. He then returned to touch home plate. The umpire then put a new ball into play and signaled for play to resume. The Herndon pitcher stepped backward off the rubber - threw to the catcher who stepped on home. At that point the umpire called Baker out. A proper appeal method was therefore initiated and completed by Herndon. If the batter only has to leave the dirt and not go all the way back to the dugout to be considered to have left the field of play - then the call was proper. If he actually has to enter the dugout - then I don't think he did that. The umpire was watching everything very carefully and I do think he got it right. FYI - Baker's loud celebration down the line from 3rd to home with a few F-Bombs thrown in was not appreciated by the large Senior night crowd at Herndon and not a good example for the Little League team in attendance.
I was at the game and saw the celebration at home plate, with several players around home jumping up and down in excitement. Too bad no one has a video. As mentioned earlier, Robinson recently had another runner called out for missing home plate a few games back at Centerville. I’m sure it was still fresh in the players mind.
I sat behind the fence on the 1st base line; Baker never came close to entering the visitor’s dugout. When he returned to touch home, it was well before on deck batter entered the batter’s box. For play to resume, don’t you need to have a batter in the batter's box?
The elderly umpire at home plate appeared to have also barred the Robinson Head Coach from the field, since he left his usual position as 3rd base coach and was in the dugout the rest of the game.
Sitting behind 1st base, I heard several players, from both teams swearing after being called out at 1st base during the game. I also heard the field umpire warn a Herdon player for attempting to injure the 1st baseman with his spikes during a close play at 1st base in one of the latter innings. Neither team was angels.
The HR ball Baker hit over the “Hit it Here” target in Center. You could tell it was gone from the time it left the bat; the only question was if would clear the high screen above the outfield fence. Baker was one of only two Seniors in the lineup for Robinson. With injuries, Robinson was batting 5 sophomores and a just called up JV Freshman.
The crowd at Herndon was also very loud and intimidating, especially in the latter innings. The screen behind home plate is right up against the catcher, with little room between the fans and the players. Herndon not only had their large contingent of senior night fans, they had their entire JV baseball team up close screaming against the fence along the 3rd base line. Plus, there were several players from the girl’s soft ball team in attendance.
If Herndon can beat Centerville this week, I believe they would play Robinson again Friday.
I sat behind the fence on the 1st base line; Baker never came close to entering the visitor’s dugout. When he returned to touch home, it was well before on deck batter entered the batter’s box. For play to resume, don’t you need to have a batter in the batter's box?
The elderly umpire at home plate appeared to have also barred the Robinson Head Coach from the field, since he left his usual position as 3rd base coach and was in the dugout the rest of the game.
Sitting behind 1st base, I heard several players, from both teams swearing after being called out at 1st base during the game. I also heard the field umpire warn a Herdon player for attempting to injure the 1st baseman with his spikes during a close play at 1st base in one of the latter innings. Neither team was angels.
The HR ball Baker hit over the “Hit it Here” target in Center. You could tell it was gone from the time it left the bat; the only question was if would clear the high screen above the outfield fence. Baker was one of only two Seniors in the lineup for Robinson. With injuries, Robinson was batting 5 sophomores and a just called up JV Freshman.
The crowd at Herndon was also very loud and intimidating, especially in the latter innings. The screen behind home plate is right up against the catcher, with little room between the fans and the players. Herndon not only had their large contingent of senior night fans, they had their entire JV baseball team up close screaming against the fence along the 3rd base line. Plus, there were several players from the girl’s soft ball team in attendance.
If Herndon can beat Centerville this week, I believe they would play Robinson again Friday.
HTBT I guess.
Interesting rules interpretation. I think the goal of this site is to pass on information and not get emotionally involved, so I'll try to do that. If the rule is that you can't leave the dirt area then Baker should be out. If it is the dugout, then he should be safe. Sounds like everyone followed protocol. What was a shame is that he missed the plate to begin with and that a ruling that could have impacted the game on a no-brainer run had to be made. Robinson has had that happen several times this season. Pretty basic concept really. Touch the base.
I will concur that the Herndon JV baseball team was behaving poorly to say the least. They were yelling at the Robinson players, deriding them, etc. It was a shame because Herndon fans are some of the better sports in the Concorde District. Clearly their younger players have some learning to do. It wasn't good.
Should make for an exciting district tournament. Flip a coin on who ends up winning it. Very even play throughout season.
I will concur that the Herndon JV baseball team was behaving poorly to say the least. They were yelling at the Robinson players, deriding them, etc. It was a shame because Herndon fans are some of the better sports in the Concorde District. Clearly their younger players have some learning to do. It wasn't good.
Should make for an exciting district tournament. Flip a coin on who ends up winning it. Very even play throughout season.
FWIW, the rules don't specify the distance or space since there's just too much variation in field layouts, but every field has a "dugout" or "dugout area".
In this case the key becomes "immediate" - thus did the runner, upon realizing his mistake, continue celebrating or did he run over & touch home? In this case, it seems that the runner spent some time in celebration, moved away, then returned to touch. If that is the case, appeal (dead or live ball) granted. Runner is out.
Saw a bit of gamesmanship w/this very play once - runner missed home, defensive team didn't try dead ball appeal, so offensive coach had next batter rush into the box & swing at the throw to the catcher. Even though F1 stepped off, this became an illegal pitch, thus a play, and no appeal. Big discussion ensued...
In this case the key becomes "immediate" - thus did the runner, upon realizing his mistake, continue celebrating or did he run over & touch home? In this case, it seems that the runner spent some time in celebration, moved away, then returned to touch. If that is the case, appeal (dead or live ball) granted. Runner is out.
Saw a bit of gamesmanship w/this very play once - runner missed home, defensive team didn't try dead ball appeal, so offensive coach had next batter rush into the box & swing at the throw to the catcher. Even though F1 stepped off, this became an illegal pitch, thus a play, and no appeal. Big discussion ensued...