Overlooked

@TPM posted:

You could name names and probably get a lot of folks in trouble. It probably does go on more than it should and players are afraid to say something for fear of retribution.

My point, once again, is that it is not acceptable and these days frowned upon by administration.

But, stupid me, I forgot you know much more about the coaching world, than most of us here.

My bad.

Yes I could and yes it would, which is why I won’t. I’m not challenging your knowledge about coaching Barb, so there is no need to make that false inference. But I’m around a lot of programs and hear it on a regular basis and you aren’t. This is one of those things that I might actually be more in touch with than you are.

@adbono posted:

Yes I could and yes it would, which is why I won’t. I’m not challenging your knowledge about coaching Barb, so there is no need to make that false inference. But I’m around a lot of programs and hear it on a regular basis and you aren’t. This is one of those things that I might actually be more in touch with than you are.

Of course!  Stupid me!  Why would I ever think  that I was more in touch with something than you! 

@TPM posted:

Of course!  Stupid me!  Why would I ever think  that I was more in touch with something than you!

Wow. Okay

@adbono posted:

Wow. Okay

Yup!

@adbono posted:

Wow. Okay

I probably should just let this go but this is a real issue that players/parents should be more aware of so I’m going to expound on it for the benefit of the board. One of the things I do is help get players placed. Often that occurs after the player has already made his first bad decision and has gone to a D1 program out of HS that he wasn’t ready for. After they are cut/released/shuttled off (whatever you want to call it) that’s when I get those phone calls and hear their stories. I’m also involved with more JuCo programs than the one where I’m a Volunteer Asst. Coach and I hear the stories from kids on those teams that have bounced down from D1. The most common themes in these stories is the shock to their systems about the way they were treated - and some of them have a hard time recovering from it. I hear the same stories from the parents of these kids. I am a players advocate so this is an issue that Im very familiar with and one that I take a personal interest in. IMO this is less of an issue in D3 and more of an issue in D1 & D2. The more competitive the program the more likely that this type of “coaching” is being done by someone on the staff.  So, this is a very relevant issue if you are a high profile recruit and it should be a big part of the vetting process if you are a top flight player. But it can’t be a part of the process if you don’t know about it. This is not a widespread problem IMO but it’s very real and so is the affect of it on many kids.

@adbono posted:

This is not a widespread problem IMO but it’s very real and so is the affect of it on many kids.

If this is a very real issue and you are aware of it happening, not speaking up ( other than a message board) becomes a very real part of the problem.

I do agree that it's not a widespread problem, that was my original point.  It's not tolerated like it used to be.

I rest my case.

@TPM posted:

If this is a very real issue and you are aware of it happening, not speaking up ( other than a message board) becomes a very real part of the problem.

I do agree that it's not a widespread problem, that was my original point.  It's not tolerated like it used to be.

I rest my case.

I speak up about it all the time. A problem doesn’t have to be widespread to cause a lot of harm. This is something that I know a lot about. I’m sorry that it threatens you. I don’t understand that mentality in the least. I’m offering information to the board that has absolutely nothing to do with you.

@TPM posted:

Of course!  Stupid me!  Why would I ever think  that I was more in touch with something than you!

Holy shit….the voices in your head aren’t real just so you know.

I am somewhere between stunned and out right laughter on this comment

@old_school posted:

Holy shit….the voices in your head aren’t real just so you know.

I am somewhere between stunned and out right laughter on this comment

So disrespectful.

@Consultant posted:

TPM, BOF, Adbono, RJM and Smoke

do you remember this coach Lewis and Clark Ed Cheff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhM27420g80

Yes, this dates me but I actually played against Lewis Clark st. When he coached there. Legend.

Smoke;

did you play at UH? His son played for UH and Coach Les, not his father. Ed Cheff was "high regarded" by the pro scouts. He was a believer in the word "makeup" of a player, his parents and teammates.

During the Area Code games, Ed was a "fountain" of valuable information. He was a invaluable with his knowledge of people.

Bob

No, I didn’t play at U Hawaii.

I am a child of a lesser God. I played at Whitman College where we just missed the NAIA (at the time) district playoffs during my freshman year.

Our coach, Palmer Muench, left for Davidson right after that and the school hired a young enthusiastic guy to coach football AND baseball.

Unfortunately, he was not a baseball guy (at all) and our record improved to 2-28 my senior season.

Fortunately, however, Whitman  has seen the light. In 2019,  they won the Northwest Conference but lost 3 games to 2 in their best-of-five regional against Chapman, the eventual D3 World Series winner.

Also, the team mascot changed from this,The Fightin’ Missionaries:  

to this:

There are some big name coaches at highly successful programs that are notorious for it.  To some it is offensive and to others part of the game.  I've heard on here some of these guys and most say they are the most highly respected guys they know but the players say otherwise.  If you are on their good side then everything is great but if you are not then it is horrendous.  I've had players tell me that they were never threatened or cursed like a dog but they have seen it.  It has no place in sports on any level.  I especially do not understand how HS coaches get by with it.  If you can't say it in the classroom then you should not be able to say it on the field/court.  You are a teacher first and foremost.  The same should go for college but college is a lot more yielding of what can be said in the classroom.