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Originally posted by Fungo:
itsinthegame,

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or who got hammered early in their college careers - and tried to make it work anyway - and then talked about it.

Wish granted...
2003 Defensivly as a freshman in college my son led the SEC in passed balls.
2004 Offensively as a sophomore my son led the SEC in strikeouts.
2005 My son was selected as 1st team all SEC catcher.

OB44,

I too was not afraid to talk aobut my son's bumps in the road early on, as many of you know he forgot how to throw strikes and made errors and even had a BALK ( I don't ever remember that in HS at all). Struggled first semester. Wanted out. Sometimes it is harder on those that are expected to produce right away and can't, because there are really big adjustments that have to be made at the next level and every player has to make them.

Mine was thrown to the wolves early on, he stuggled. It was the best thing to happen to him, in his own little cocky way he learned alot about himself and that sometimes you fail, pick yourself up and start all over again, not be ashamed, things work out for the best. And mom and dad just learned to listen and let him work things out for himself, with the help of the people who are with him everyday, not us at 600 miles away.

I imagine it's harder for the dads who coached their sons or where there after every game for the talk on the ride home what could have been improved that game.

You will learn from your son when he wants advice and when he doesn't as he moves into the season.

I know about It's son's personal struggles. Some may have given up. Great story and a great motivation to succeed.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:

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Originally posted by darkmoon:

PS. I bet you didn't like the more comprehensive data I've provided,

Can we get along now, or at least disagree in a more civil manner?

Actually, I am well aware of the statistics. Your little subset of numbers are not ones I am interested in - as you cannot even verify where someone is from. Basically worthless data IMO.

However, about a year ago- we had some fun with the MLB draft numbers by state. That would be the draft - since inception. MLB - The pinnacle of athletic baseball talent. Baseball America published a really great review - of the Facts.

What surprised me - more than anything - was the number of draft picks from NY and Illinois. I never realized - until I spent time with the facts - that the numbers were so high. I would have guessed that both states would have been middle of the pack at best.

In fact - they were both in the top 7 I believe, with NY at #4.
Of course - CA/TX and FLA were in the top. One would hope so for their sake given their populations and weather. LOL

As for civility - you have alot of work to do IMO. You might want to start by not calling people drug addicts, Nazi's and hypocrites. You may also want to stop calling out youth baseball players by name.

That doesnt play well here.

Good luck to you.

Well I would love to have seen the data you guys were working from.Where on earth did you guys find all the hometowns of every player ever drafted? The current sites I use don't even have alot of the high schools of kids drafted this year let alone 40 years ago.

You mention the real facts to me in several post and I am curious what they are.What makes New York and Illinois to be so high in your words.Do you have any idea what % that would be?NY and Illinois are both very large so a high ranking by state is not that conclusive.

As for civilty would you please stop overly dramatizing my out of context quotes.I never called you a drug addict and you know that. You were laughing at the expression and used it humerously after PG Staff posted the first three round facts this year.

I said you would make a good Nazi in response to your desire to be moderator and have me kicked out while not accepting your own part in flame baiting ect.

I already said I never called out the kid but used him as an example of an incomplete review by PG. Bad move on my part and I was wrong to do that although I never meant any harm.

PS.I don't think my data is basically worthless.Most of it can be verified by the way.

LOL is a very rude expression

Pardon my ignorance, please....

What is "IMO"?

IMO: In My Opinion
IMHO: In My Humble Opinion

Darkmoon,
Watch the N word. There is no need for that here.

JMO = Just my opinion

Ahhh...thank you!!!

Darkmoon,

This is getting old.

You made a statement about PG ranking northern kids too high in relation to southern and western kids because there are a greater quantities of talented players in the South and West That statement makes no sense - and is even more ridiculous when you admit that you have never attended a PG showcase.

You also - apparently - do not understand the concept of projectability. This has nothing to do with the longitude and latitude of where you live or play.

Noone here needs to see statistics that show more MLB players come from the big three of CA/TX and FLA. That is common knowledge. But your statements about PG - and the ranking of their players - and your logic - is just silly.

Even sillier is the fact that you have somehow forgotten to mention all the players from the midwest.

Basically - IMO - the whole thing is silly - so heres the deal.
You can get the last word in on this subject - and then we can let this thread meet its well deserved demise.

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TPM...

Not looking forward to those Wolves...on the other hand it does mean PT....

Thanks for the kind words. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for adding your story. Not easy for any is it? All prespectives should be seen and highlighted. I believe that for us as parents this is perhaps the most important subject we can discuss: the struggles. By sharing the struggles we realize that we are not alone, that it is not just us. Those Wolves are coming....I know that...

Would agree that it is part of the growth experience to have to work it out with thsoe 600 miles away.

You know, from my limited perspective I actually think this process is a great deal harder on Mom's than Dads.


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Observer,

In our particular case - I think it was very hard on all of us.

My wife - and I - felt a certain amount of responsibility because we actually encouraged and supported his original choice of school. We have been pretty much hands off in most of the baseball decisions for both boys - but we werent on this one. And we were dead wrong in our advice.

That is the hardest part to deal with as a parent IMO.

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Originally posted by Baseball Dad in MO:
Ahhh...thank you!!!

You didn't answer 1 question I asked and once again you mischaracterized my previous statements. I guess thats par for the course.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by itsinthegame:
Darkmoon,

This is getting old.

You made a statement about PG ranking northern kids too high in relation to southern and western kids because there are a greater quantities of talented players in the South and West That statement makes no sense - and is even more ridiculous when you admit that you have never attended a PG showcase.

You also - apparently - do not understand the concept of projectability. This has nothing to do with the longitude and latitude of where you live or play.

Noone here needs to see statistics that show more MLB players come from the big three of CA/TX and FLA. That is common knowledge. But your statements about PG - and the ranking of their players - and your logic - is just silly.

Even sillier is the fact that you have somehow forgotten to mention all the players from the midwest.

Basically - IMO - the whole thing is silly - so heres the deal.
You can get the last word in on this subject - and then we can let this thread meet its well deserved demise.[/QUOTE

I see now that no matter what I say or how it is going to make a difference with.You didn't answer 1 question I asked even though it was very polite and with genuine interest.

You once again mischaracterized my previous statements and put them in the worst light.Thanks itsinthegame. You did that all along right from the very first post with your attitude toward me. How can you be so popular around here with that type of behavior?

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Darkmoon,
Watch the N word. There is no need for that here.

JMO = Just my opinion

So it's okay for itsinthegame to take everything I say out of context and flame bait?
ect.

Darkmoon,

I will attempt to answer your questions.

1) The data - Baseball America put together a comprehensive analysis of the draft going back to its inception. It was very interesting. There are many sources - if you have the time - to find out the home state of every MLB player that ever played.

2) If you read my last post carefully - I said that prior to reading the Baseball America info - I expected NY - and Illinois - to be in the MIDDLE of the pack - Like 25th or so. They were not.

3) As for % - the numbers generally reflect the population. California has over 35 million people - more than NY and Ill combined. TX and Fla. also have very large populations. The home state of drafted players comes pretty close to population % in most cases. There are some exceptions.

4) I am not that popular. Some people - like Linear - love me - most others tolerate me. But it is not about popularity - it is about helping parents and young players move through the game.

5) If you stop calling me names - I will be nice.

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Originally posted by itsinthegame:
Darkmoon,

I will attempt to answer your questions.

1) The data - Baseball America put together a comprehensive analysis of the draft going back to its inception. It was very interesting. There are many sources - if you have the time - to find out the home state of every MLB player that ever played.

2) If you read my last post carefully - I said that prior to reading the Baseball America info - I expected NY - and Illinois - to be in the MIDDLE of the pack - Like 25th or so. They were not.

3) As for % - the numbers generally reflect the population. California has over 35 million people - more than NY and Ill combined. TX and Fla. also have very large populations. The home state of drafted players comes pretty close to population % in most cases. There are some exceptions.

4) I am not that popular. Some people - like Linear - love me - most others tolerate me. But it is not about popularity - it is about helping parents and young players move through the game.

5) If you stop calling me names - I will be nice.

Thanks itsinthegame. I have seen some very good post from you with the best of intentions. I want to get to that point here with you and the others because this site has alot of good information to offer and I want the best for my boy.I will try to be more respectful of others here and want to learn from the many good people here. Have a good New Year's tonight and I look forward to positive communication with you next year.

PS.I still want to talk about this draft stuff latter if that is okay with you.

Darkmoon,

Anytime. I look forward to it as well.

This site is a very special resource IMO - with an amazing number of people that are both very experienced - and very generous.

I also wish you and your family a Healthy and Happy New Year.

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ItsIntheGame....

Getting beyond the spat...

Regarding your last post my way...Good post...

We all do the best research we can, we take all the factors into account includng our personal experience, we agonize, we worry, do our best, we give advice, a decision is made, we believe we are right, then factors beyond our control or research often dictate. If it works we look/are smart and we pat ourselves on the back. If it doesn't we look/are responsible.

In my world you did the best that you could. You made a good decision that didn't work. It happens. Now It's all ancient history, all that matters is the new situation and moving forward...

The day we dropped ours off we were sure our advice was all wrong...now we are sure it was good...the season will prove us right or wrong again...and so it goes...

We are neither right or wrong we are simply doing the best that we can...always...


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Power down at our house for ~36 hours and whats the first thing I do when it comes back up?

Back to the hsbaseballweb! That should be an advertisement!

Observer...we all have our stories. You soon will too...some of them now make me laugh. But as you say, its worth every step of the way. Stay in touch...and enjoy!

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Originally posted by infielddad:
Even though I don't have a college player any longer, I am counting the days for opening games of Coastal, UNLV and Stanford.

infielddad - I'm sure you left out one school by accident????

JustBB - glad your power is back on. My son is stuck up in Tahoe - hopefully can get back home in the morning in time to report back on the 4th...