PG Grade/Top Prospect List Chances?

My son's first PG grade was about what I expected him to get, honestly, an "8". I couldn't say that score has opened any doors for him, because I have no way of telling. Nobody came knocking on our door saying "we saw you got an 8 and want to offer you a scholarship." He made the top prospect list, and again I don't know if that got him on anyone's list because I have no way of knowing. We get so much email from schools, it's hard to say what is legit and what isn't. I did have a dream last night that Tulane (of all schools) offered my son via e-mail...does that count?

I have been critical of PG events in the past and have drawn the ire of many on this community for it (including from PG Staff), but I will say when I had a problem with my son's stats from a PG event, he stepped in and got it corrected (thanks). That is the value of having a guy like him on here is invaluable. But these are my opinions. SEC has her opinions, and to basically threaten her for questioning him doesn't seem like what this community is about, at least in the time I have been here. 

SEC Hopeful posted:

Nice, so none of you question the claims of Perfect Game? I still haven't heard anyone come on here and say their kid got a scholarship on their PG score alone? Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of shutup juice that PG owns this website.

Getting an offer based on score alone is rare.  PG would agree with that.  However, I personally know a TON of college coaches who rely on PG's evaluations.   Why?  Because they have a track record of being right more than they are wrong.  Coaches and scouts want data from people they trust.

As for Jerry Ford, he has been a part of this forum for years but he does not own the site.  This place is about  baseball talk and helping young players, not pushing an agenda. 

With that being said, I'll raise your glass of shut up juice with a can of "You Have No Clue".

One thing I will say...  My son is a 2018 grad (went to PG National, etc).  PG just redid the 2018 class rankings.  As someone who has seen most of the top players at this age group (I'm also a coach), PG's national and state rankings are very nearly dead on with where I would have ranked them--with only a handful of exceptions.  And I could very nearly guess most players ratings from showcases based on how they performed (I had my own kid at a 9.5 after PG National and that's what he got).  

I'm very impressed with the work that goes into what PG produces--and very happy that Jerry Ford is part of the contributing members of this forum. His posts have been very informative over the years--and he has been honest about what PG and what it isn't.  He's not a braggart or a salesman.

Not brown-nosing, since I don't have a dog in the fight or anything to gain at this point (I have pointed out from time to time things they could do better--and a lot of it has been improved by PG too).  My son got interest/committed due, in large part, to PG tournaments, but the showcases provide you with a good, unbiased measuring stick about where you're at.  Just giving my own unbiased perspective as someone who has been through this.   

CaCO3Girl posted:

I'd like to remind everyone that this post was by a 15 year old who is just starting out and excited by the PG event he attended.  Can we all dial it back a bit?

CaCOGirl, the 15 y.o. poster came on, handled himself quite well, was complimented and given great information, then showed appreciation - all very good.  It was another new poster who came on and criticized and questioned a few of our long time contributors, then criticized others and continued, even though PGStaff initially addressed the questioning politely, thoughtfully and thoroughly.  

"Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of shutup juice that PG owns this website."

How do you expect this type of post from a new poster to be responded to, particularly given consideration to the long track record of PGStaff as someone as honest and helpful as he has been so often and so consistently here? 

Yes, the 15 y.o. poster IS excited by the PG event he attended and it is just plain wrong for him to be given the impression that a key figure of that organization is some sort of liar who lacks integrity when it couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm not sure what you are suggesting.  I may be misinterpreting your comment.

I wish I were much smarter.  I am a baseball nut, not a businessman.  Yes, I own a baseball business that some would call successful, but that business is run by good business people.  But being a baseball business the baseball part of our business needs baseball people.  That is what I am.

My involvement here has absolutely nothing to do with business.  It is because this is IMO the very best site in all of baseball.  The people here, most of them, know what they are talking about.  They know baseball!  More  than 95% of everything I talk about here has nothing to do with PG.  It would be even less if the PG questions were never asked.  To be blunt, we just don't need to promote PG on this website, things are going very well. And if the intent was to promote PG on this site I sure wouldn't use PGStaff as my user name.

So being a dumb shit rather than a good business person, I get pissed off when people accuse us/me of ever doing anything underhanded when it comes to baseball.  Not everyone loves PG, I know that.  We are not able to help every single player as much as we would like.  Nobody can do that.  But think about it, why in the world would I jeopardize my reputation or PG reputation by being untruthful to thousands of people.  Baseball is a small circle, word travels like wild fire.  We make mistakes, but we never make mistakes on purpose.  That would be a recipe for disaster.

Sorry, I didn't get the impression that the poster was 15 years old, just like it didn't sound like someone's mom. Did I threaten that person?  I hope not, that should never happen on here.

SEC Hopeful posted:

Nice, so none of you question the claims of Perfect Game? I still haven't heard anyone come on here and say their kid got a scholarship on their PG score alone? Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of shutup juice that PG owns this website.

As a moderator, I have gone back and read your posts.  It seems you are obsessed with attacking PGStaff on this site.  This isn't a flaming site and so, if that is your agenda, you'll find you stay here short.  

Not only has PGStaff not used this site to promote himself but also, he has been a stalwart on this site for membership.  He has helped many including myself when he and I and others came under attack a few years ago.  He has been there for the owner of this site when the site went through changes.  He has never asked for anything that I know of.   I struggled with leaving some of your attack posts up but did so because they serve to notify others of your agenda.  I do believe that you are not here to glean any useful information but rather to attack a competitor of your employer.  At least in my experience, I have not come across some "mom" who is so outraged at PG that they are obsessed to the point of coming here to attack him.   I do know that the players I have coached and of whom attended his events benefited.  I've had several attend.  While many of them played for various TB Programs, most played for the St. Louis Pirates.  

Finally, there is noting wrong with bringing questions to a site such as this and asking for other's experiences.  There is also nothing wrong with the occasional venting.  However, continued attacks on members in good standing on this site is not representative of what this site is about and won't be acceptable.  

stayfocused posted:

I have been here for a couple of years and I have gone back and read many many old posts (probably to the detriment of my job!) and I will have to say that PGSTAFF has always been honest, forthcoming,  and very kind  in response to peoples questions on this site.    I always stop to read his replys because I know he knows what he is talking about.  Furthermore,  without  PG tournaments to play in, my son would  not even be on anyones radar.   I will even go so far as to say that no where else in America on a Thursday afternoon in July,  at a hot highschool field, for a PG consolation game, would you find 5 + D1 RC watching a bunch of 16 year olds playing baseball.   The exposure alone is worth every penny spent.    

Was this tournament the WWBA? The reason I ask is that this is a lot different from our experience in playing PG events. I'm not here to bash on PG, but I am curious as to how our team's experience has been so different from everyone else's on this forum.

PGStaff I sent you a PM about a different topic. Would you mind taking a look at it and responding if possible?

cabbagedad posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

I'd like to remind everyone that this post was by a 15 year old who is just starting out and excited by the PG event he attended.  Can we all dial it back a bit?

CaCOGirl, the 15 y.o. poster came on, handled himself quite well, was complimented and given great information, then showed appreciation - all very good.  It was another new poster who came on and criticized and questioned a few of our long time contributors, then criticized others and continued, even though PGStaff initially addressed the questioning politely, thoughtfully and thoroughly.  

"Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of shutup juice that PG owns this website."

How do you expect this type of post from a new poster to be responded to, particularly given consideration to the long track record of PGStaff as someone as honest and helpful as he has been so often and so consistently here? 

Yes, the 15 y.o. poster IS excited by the PG event he attended and it is just plain wrong for him to be given the impression that a key figure of that organization is some sort of liar who lacks integrity when it couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm not sure what you are suggesting.  I may be misinterpreting your comment.

My comment was made in the hope the adults could dial it back some.  In a perfect (no pun intended) world we would all just ignore trolls or perhaps mock the post in jest.  

There will be haters about everything on the planet, no one will change their mind about PG and/or Mr. Ford, but it doesn't change all the good PG and Mr. Ford have done.  By acknowledging and defending we give the troll power to disrupt the thread and board.

The kid was excited, he did well, he got well deserved kudos, I wish the thread would have ended there, that's all I was trying to say.

Texas 2 Sons posted:

stayfocused posted:

I have been here for a couple of years and I have gone back and read many many old posts (probably to the detriment of my job!) and I will have to say that PGSTAFF has always been honest, forthcoming,  and very kind  in response to peoples questions on this site.    I always stop to read his replys because I know he knows what he is talking about.  Furthermore,  without  PG tournaments to play in, my son would  not even be on anyones radar.   I will even go so far as to say that no where else in America on a Thursday afternoon in July,  at a hot highschool field, for a PG consolation game, would you find 5 + D1 RC watching a bunch of 16 year olds playing baseball.   The exposure alone is worth every penny spent.    

Was this tournament the WWBA? The reason I ask is that this is a lot different from our experience in playing PG events. I'm not here to bash on PG, but I am curious as to how our team's experience has been so different from everyone else's on this forum.

PGStaff I sent you a PM about a different topic. Would you mind taking a look at it and responding if possible?

Texas 2 Sons,

JMO but have you asked that question to your sons coach?

cabbagedad posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

I'd like to remind everyone that this post was by a 15 year old who is just starting out and excited by the PG event he attended.  Can we all dial it back a bit?

CaCOGirl, the 15 y.o. poster came on, handled himself quite well, was complimented and given great information, then showed appreciation - all very good.  It was another new poster who came on and criticized and questioned a few of our long time contributors, then criticized others and continued, even though PGStaff initially addressed the questioning politely, thoughtfully and thoroughly.  

"Why is the CEO of Perfect Game even on a chat room forum? Does he own this website? It sure would benefit him to have a forum like this to sway public opinion and perception of the value of Perfect Game in the recruiting of baseball players. I question that this is truly an open forum. I think we are all being duped. I bet a glass of shutup juice that PG owns this website."

How do you expect this type of post from a new poster to be responded to, particularly given consideration to the long track record of PGStaff as someone as honest and helpful as he has been so often and so consistently here? 

Yes, the 15 y.o. poster IS excited by the PG event he attended and it is just plain wrong for him to be given the impression that a key figure of that organization is some sort of liar who lacks integrity when it couldn't be further from the truth.  I'm not sure what you are suggesting.  I may be misinterpreting your comment.

I agree with you Cabbagedad, I don't blame Jerry for being upset. 

No one else was nasty, and FWIW, the OP handled his inquiry with intelligence and maturity. Great job!!!!

TPM posted:

Texas 2 Sons posted:

stayfocused posted:

I have been here for a couple of years and I have gone back and read many many old posts (probably to the detriment of my job!) and I will have to say that PGSTAFF has always been honest, forthcoming,  and very kind  in response to peoples questions on this site.    I always stop to read his replys because I know he knows what he is talking about.  Furthermore,  without  PG tournaments to play in, my son would  not even be on anyones radar.   I will even go so far as to say that no where else in America on a Thursday afternoon in July,  at a hot highschool field, for a PG consolation game, would you find 5 + D1 RC watching a bunch of 16 year olds playing baseball.   The exposure alone is worth every penny spent.    

Was this tournament the WWBA? The reason I ask is that this is a lot different from our experience in playing PG events. I'm not here to bash on PG, but I am curious as to how our team's experience has been so different from everyone else's on this forum.

PGStaff I sent you a PM about a different topic. Would you mind taking a look at it and responding if possible?

Texas 2 Sons,

JMO but have you asked that question to your sons coach?

I'm not sure what asking our coach would have to do with it. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean by that. I asked the question I did because we have not played in the WWBA and this seems to be the only PG tourney that has those kind of results from what I've read on here. 

Texas 2 Sons posted:

TPM posted:

Texas 2 Sons posted:

stayfocused posted:

I have been here for a couple of years and I have gone back and read many many old posts (probably to the detriment of my job!) and I will have to say that PGSTAFF has always been honest, forthcoming,  and very kind  in response to peoples questions on this site.    I always stop to read his replys because I know he knows what he is talking about.  Furthermore,  without  PG tournaments to play in, my son would  not even be on anyones radar.   I will even go so far as to say that no where else in America on a Thursday afternoon in July,  at a hot highschool field, for a PG consolation game, would you find 5 + D1 RC watching a bunch of 16 year olds playing baseball.   The exposure alone is worth every penny spent.    

Was this tournament the WWBA? The reason I ask is that this is a lot different from our experience in playing PG events. I'm not here to bash on PG, but I am curious as to how our team's experience has been so different from everyone else's on this forum.

PGStaff I sent you a PM about a different topic. Would you mind taking a look at it and responding if possible?

Texas 2 Sons,

JMO but have you asked that question to your sons coach?

I'm not sure what asking our coach would have to do with it. Maybe you can elaborate on what you mean by that. I asked the question I did because we have not played in the WWBA and this seems to be the only PG tourney that has those kind of results from what I've read on here. 

Oh OK, gotcha.

I don't think it's the only tourney where you might see results. WWBA in Atlanta and Jupiter probably the premier events, more coaches and scouts for sure. 

Texas 2 sons,

Yes it was at 16U WWBA.  But the key, in my opinion, is to play on the best team possible so that scouts have something to see......even if it's not your son.  As I said in my previous post, they were not there to see my son, but he benefited greatly as a result of pitching that day.

My son went to his first PG event after Freshman year in high school. He did all of the tests and received an 8.0 grade based on his speed (7.2 at the time) and throwing velocity as a position player. He has been to two WWBA championships and other tourneys since then. He has been named to WWBA all tourney team twice as well as top prospect lists. PG made him an Hon Mention All American twice but never changed his grade in his profile, inspite of the fact he runs 6.5 and his velocity is up significantly from the field. Which is to be expected from Fresh year to Sr year. 

No one gets offered based on their PG grade alone, so I havent contacted them to see if they still feel he is an 8.0. But the recent updates on the 2018 class, I believe, are more indicative of players who participated in showcases vs PG actually watching them play in meaningful games against some of the best competition in the country. I would think the All Tourney list from the WWBA Championships should have some weight to the profile on PG. It certainly has more weight to the college recruiters who watched him play and contacted him based on watching several games against top competition. 

nxt lvl posted:

... PG made him an Hon Mention All American twice but never changed his grade in his profile, inspite of the fact he runs 6.5 and his velocity is up significantly from the field. Which is to be expected from Fresh year to Sr year.  

My impression is that the 1-10 grades only come as a result of PG Showcases and the Underclass All American Games. If he wants a regrade, he needs to do another PG showcase.

I'm very late in saying this but since you all are interested, I got an 8 grade. Probably very close to an 8.5. I hear if you get 8s in each category (or X number in any category), they'll round you up to an X.5 or even X+1 overall. I got 8s in hitting, power, and pitching. I was surprised to see I got a 6.5 in fielding, and I'm sure that's what kept me from getting an 8.5 overall. Not sure though. Also surprised my hitting and power were the same as my pitching.

Dingerswag1223 posted:

I'm very late in saying this but since you all are interested, I got an 8 grade. Probably very close to an 8.5. I hear if you get 8s in each category (or X number in any category), they'll round you up to an X.5 or even X+1 overall. I got 8s in hitting, power, and pitching. I was surprised to see I got a 6.5 in fielding, and I'm sure that's what kept me from getting an 8.5 overall. Not sure though. Also surprised my hitting and power were the same as my pitching.

Congrats on the 8!  Maybe they are trying to tell you to focus on pitching?

Don't let PG score or any other showcase result get you down.  Take it for what it's worth, a set of numbers of how you compared with others or in the eyes of the staff.  Ultimately every time you play in a showcase or tournament you are giving 100% in both play ability and how you conduct yourself.  If anything use  the scores and results as a way to monitor your advancement and improvement.  If you can increase the numbers (relatively speaking)  you are on the right track.  The RC want you as a player not a set of numbers, though the numbers do reflect your ability to some degree.  My son started as a PG 8, finished as a PG 8.  He attended the college of his dream on a scholarship, and is still playing.  As long as you do your best you don't need extra pressure.  Trust in the process.....

It's my understand that you only get a grade based on showcases....WWBA, etc, won't get you a grade.  My son was honorable mention all american and also on 2 all tourney teams and never got a grade. He did end up in a great spot in their state rankings both overall and position, though obviously they don't see every kid from Ohio, so the rankings aren't necessarily perfect, though after 2 years of college, a lot of the guys he's ahead of that probably thought they should be ranked higher and quite a few who were ranked ahead of him seem to have fallen off the baseball radar