Posting Offers/Contacts on Facebook

I would not do it. No way.

I don't see any problem with it. Don't (some websites) mention schools 'interested' and 'offered'? I know it's common for football recruiting, whether it's real or imagined.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
I would not do it. No way.

Agreed. Is it anyone elses business besides the player and his family, or does it just make them feel so much better that everyone else knows their business?

As long as it's factual, I think it would answer some questions for other players/parents. Everyone is dying to know how much baseball money a school has.

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Originally posted by AntzDad:
As long as it's factual, I think it would answer some questions for other players/parents. Everyone is dying to know how much baseball money a school has.

Not my concern.

I would not share my job offers nor salary in any public forum...I would not share this either.

I wonder how coaches would feel it they knew. I know when my son was offered it was pretty clear that it would be between him and them and not to be shared with other players.
My son told me once (while he was in college) he had no clue what others where getting, it was not something they talked about or anyone's concern.

If this is the way it is these days things have really changed.

Along the lines of what TPM posted, I wouldn't be surprised if some coaches start pulling their offers from this young man if they find that out. Some coaches will nip things in the bud now rather than dealing with those parents if the player enrolls at their school.

I absolutely agree. Some things are just personal. However, I don't necessarily believe the family that posted this info did so with the wrong intent. I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they are just excited and possibly didn't think it through. If my husband or I ever posted that info I would hope a thoughtful friend might point out to me why I might want to delete it. Most schools will know who is interested in you and vice versa, but posting offers online isn't the way to develop or maintain trust with a college program.

Totally agree with justbb. Some things ought to remain private imho. To me it's about ego. Lots of guys are recruited, a few guys get to play.

Having 10 more offers than your nearest competitor is no guarantee that you are a better player than them - especially if they don't believe it.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:

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Originally posted by AntzDad:
As long as it's factual, I think it would answer some questions for other players/parents. Everyone is dying to know how much baseball money a school has.

Not my concern.

I would not share my job offers nor salary in any public forum...I would not share this either.

I thought it was. Sorry.

http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/f...6003481/m/3717069026

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Originally posted by AntzDad:

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Originally posted by justbaseball:

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Originally posted by AntzDad:
As long as it's factual, I think it would answer some questions for other players/parents. Everyone is dying to know how much baseball money a school has.

Not my concern.

I would not share my job offers nor salary in any public forum...I would not share this either.

I thought it was. Sorry.

http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/f...6003481/m/3717069026

What does asking if a program is fully funded have anything to do with a parent posting their kids offers online?

FWIW, Tom (JBB) and I have known each other for a very, very long time (10 years+ maybe), I have no clue what his sons received in college scholarships, I never asked and he never volunteered that info. And vice versa.

You must have him confused with someone else that's not his style.

Sorry, but don't see the connection AntzDad.

My question in your link had nothing to do with personal information.

I don't want your personal information.

I don't see anything wrong with a player's mentioning what, and by whom, (legitimate) offers were received. That's all. If it makes a coach feel uneasy, that's for him to deal with.

While it's for him to deal with, it could be taken as a sign of disrespect to him and his program. I believe most sons would be embarassed if their parents were to go public with personal information. To each his/ her own I guess

Actually it will end up being something the player is going to have to deal with. Coaches do not want people in their programs that go around spouting off their mouths. When you sit down with a coach and you talk business then that is between you, your parents and the coaching staff. I can not imagine any college coach being happy with this. And I can imagine coaches pulling offers or at the least making a phone call to have it stopped.

There is no real reason to post personal information like this other than to brag. And the fact is most of the time the how much he was offered and who was recruiting the player was stretched about as much as the size of the bass caught at the local pond. I can not imagine any college coach would be happy with this. And I would be willing to bet that programs that had not started recruiting this kid yet never will. It reeks of trouble.

Why is baseball money such a sacred cow? And, yes, Coach May, many times there is a lot of (untruth telling) going on.

I hadn't really thought about what Coach_May mentioned, but it makes sense to me. Probably wouldn't like it if I were the coach either...might breed (and probably signals) trouble now or down the line.

Love the comment about the size of the bass fish...from my experience with parents, absolutely true!

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Why is baseball money such a sacred cow?

To me, and I guess others, it just isn't anyone else's business. Nor do I have ANY interest in knowing their scholarship amount either.

Its personal business between the coaches and the family. It's no one's business outside of those people. Players do not even discuss it between themselves. Even players that have played together for 3 or 4 years. My son has no idea who is on no money and who is on money. He doesn't care because its none of his business. And the coaches don't want some kid running around the club house talking about how he is on 80% like this makes him better than someone else. It divides, causes issues that the team and the staff do not want to deal with.

Do you run around your work place showing everyone your pay stub? Do other co-workers do this? Now were talking about a player who has yet to get a hit, yet to record an out, yet to run a single sprint bragging about how much money he has been offered and who is recruiting him. And the parents doing it for him. If I were a college coach I would run from these people as fast as I could. These are not the type of people you want in your program.

If they had half a brain they would get off of FaceBook and shut up real quick. Coaches would give every player a full ride if they could. They don't want to create a divide within their program. The big money, little money and the no money guys. So its simply personal business that you keep to yourself and respect the other persons right to do the same. Or you run your mouth and run yourself right out of the program.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
If they had half a brain they would get off of FaceBook

I think if anyone had half a brain they wouldn't be on facebook.

I'm not looking at it as 'how much did Jimmy get?', I'm looking at it more as 'how much does University give out?' If justbaseball's question in the other thread were answered, I would have no interest, either. I guess what I'm asking here- maybe, it's not the right place- is 'why is how much money a school has available for baseball (any sport) such a secret?'

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Originally posted by AntzDad:
I guess what I'm asking here- maybe, it's not the right place- is 'why is how much money a school has available for baseball (any sport) such a secret?'

Whether a school is fully funded and what a coach gives to a specific player are two separate things.
I didn't realize whether a school fully funds or not is a secret. There is a website with that info and given in that link that you provided here.

I post on FB (and careful what I do and who does and doesn't see it)so I guess I have half a brain.

Sounds to me like the parents or kid (or both) are on a collasal ego trip.
That is the first thing that needs to go before a coach will seriously consider a player.
No ones business!

If you ask a college coach they will tell you. 11.7 is fully funded for D1. Most D1 programs are fully funded. I always found it hilarious when I was coaching showcase and players would come back and tell me that Coach X at a certain college offered them a full ride. With the amount of full ride offers just on our showcase team the school would have been out of money for anyone currently on the roster returning.

There were parents I ran across that I made sure I didn't associate with for very long. And they included the one's that sat around the ball park and Motel and made sure they told all the other parents that Johnny had been offered X amount by so and so and so and so. And the players that even started to do this were informed if they couldn't keep their business their business I would make it my business to make sure we didn't do business any longer.

AntzDad - Just to be clear. The reason for my question in the other thread was that someone commented (on another board) that less than half of the D1 programs are fully funded (scholarship wise).

I had never heard that before, nor did I believe it, so I set out to find out if there was a place where I could see if that was true or not.

I had NO INTEREST, whatsoever, in discovering what any player was personally receiving in scholarship $$...anywhere.

I have had 3 parents of teammates (through 2 sons) tell me what their sons were getting. I didn't care but I guess they (for reasons I still don't' understand) felt the need to tell me. Interesting that in all 3 cases the scholarship amounts were on the smaller end of the spectrum. Maybe they were complaining? I don't know. But I was so uninterested that I did not react, in any way, to their 'news.'

I have also heard about a number of parents tell whoever wanted to listen that their sons were getting a "full ride." Based on ALL of their sons' talent level...I seriously doubt it, but really...who cares? If they were getting "full rides," then their bragging almost surely caused problems with teammates' parents or the coaches because they were not big-time contributors. If they weren't getting "full rides" (which most believed), they made fools of themselves anyways.

I don't believe that I even disclosed to my own mother what our sons got. No upside to disclosing that I can figure...in any way.

Stay humble my friends. There is no down side to it.

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Originally posted by justbaseball:
AntzDad - Just to be clear. The reason for my question in the other thread was that someone commented (on another board) that less than half of the D1 programs are fully funded (scholarship wise).

I had never heard that before, nor did I believe it, so I set out to find out if there was a place where I could see if that was true or not.

Did you ever find your answer? That's all I wanna know. Believe me, nothing else.

Nope. But the other poster (on the other board) responded that he 'read it in an article in a class.' Thats as far as we got.

I believe it, too. I know many other sports have nowhere near the scholarship limits available. Coaches have told me, themselves.

TPM, I was only half-kidding about facebook.

The question asked was if we thought that it appropriate if parents posted on FB about their sons recruiting experience and even disclose some offer information.

Regardless of whatever that means, I think that the general consensus is, no. It's no ones business.

What is half kidding?

I think facebook causes more problems than it solves. I don't want anything to do with it.

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"What is half kidding?"

Dunno' really. This is half a cantaloupe if that helps?





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And this is the whole thing.

The school is buying a product ( baseball player) knowing how much they and others are willing to pay for a similar product makes good business sense. Does the coach want everyone to know how much each got? of course not. Why? He wants to buy his product from sellers who are uneducated about what the market will support for the product in order to get a better price. It does not create team problems. Every pro athlete from rookie ball through the majors knows what each other gets and they seem to do fine. Some of you don't want to know what others get. Don't care. None of your business. Ok. I do. Not to feel superior, better, worse, valued, loved or anything else. The reason.... Knowledge is power. Deafness ignorance and blindness are not.

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Knowledge is power.

I started to write a long response to this comment based on life experiences. But then I realized I could summarize it in a much briefer comment.

In the case of salaries/scholarships/compensation...this is a commonly held fallacy that rarely works out to the enhanced happiness and performance of either the individual or the 'team.'

Having no information is certainly not a good thing. But 'knowledge' of all...is very often a major (and detrimental) distraction. For all but ONE (player in this conversation), it is usually a disappointment and often a damaging one at that.

The only 'knowledge' I need in these decisions is about what my player (son) is worth to a given school and whether or not they are valuing him, and him alone, properly within that context.

He may be worth 100% to one school...but far less to another.

Do your homework!...on the right thing.

Agreed just baseball money does not equate to happiness or success or value in the end this is true in all aspect of life. My points were strictly geared toward basic economics and marketing which is only one valuable and needed aspect to understand. Let's also remember that more money will buy you more looks and chances than little or no money will. In the end you still have to get the job done but it will get you more chances. I reiterate that every player from rookie ball to the highest level in all sports knows what each makes, or close to it and it works fine for the most part

I can't see Ellie Mae or Jethro spouting off on FB that Granny or Uncle Jed had moved them into a house with a fine cement pond. They'd just enjoy the ride!

There's my model of humble.

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Originally posted by seattlestars16:
Agreed just baseball money does not equate to happiness or success or value in the end this is true in all aspect of life. My points were strictly geared toward basic economics and marketing which is only one valuable and needed aspect to understand. Let's also remember that more money will buy you more looks and chances than little or no money will. In the end you still have to get the job done but it will get you more chances. I reiterate that every player from rookie ball to the highest level in all sports knows what each makes, or close to it and it works fine for the most part

This has nothing to do with proball, but since you brought it up, in some ways it does. Teams give bonus out to those they covet the most for talent, ask any player who has been drafted who drives the car, it is definitively not the player, unless you are Bryce Harper type player, which MOST are not.

By the way, players in proball all get paid differently (even milb) based upon service time and last level completed, free agent or not, 40 man, etc. so you do not know what you are talking about in that regard. They do not sit around discussing their paychecks either. It's no ones business.

Knowing what A player has gotten in no way can determine what B or C will for scholarship. I am going to assume an A recruit is the coach's preference and will get more than others. The level of interest on my player (pitcher) was from 35% to almost a full. It depended on where he was needed the most and who wanted him the most to stay out of the draft. Pretty wide range of %.

Assumption should be for a D1 player it will be at least 25% or nothing. If you feel that you can play hardball with the coach having knowledge of someone elses scholarship to that school, go ahead, but I can assure you that you are not going to win. You have done this once and he has done it hundreds of times. If you say no, there is another player of the same quality who will say yes.

This reminds me of a very good player in our area whose dad tried to manipulate each coach into giving what he felt his son was worth based upon stats, 4.0+ GPA, position, performance, etc. Top 25 coaches he approached (he contacted as most were not interested) told the dad no thank you, I think the most he ended up getting was 50%, 25 bb, 25 academic to an top conference school not noted for bb.
performance. He tried to use one against the other, and they don't play those games.

You are absolutely correct about the more you get the more time you might see in the field, that is why the individual should make decisions based upon how the coach feels about him as a player not who is handing out more scholarship $$$ to someone else. The more they like you and want you, the more they will reward YOU.

Regardless of whether the folks posting on FB are doing so to brag or let you know what coaches are giving out, it has nothing to do with anyone but them. How you think that you can interpret this as knowledge to use, I can't see.

Of course it doesn't take a rocket scientist much to figure out if the kid is ranked high on the charts, he's worth more.

I do have a pretty fair idea what I'm talking about. My best childhood friend whom I'm still close with played 14 years in the majors we have talked about money in baseball at different times over the years. Your right they do not sit around discussing paychecks but they do have a solid idea of what others make based exactly upon the point you made, years of service, last level completed etc. I do not suggest anyone try playing " hardball" by thinking they have all the information and numbers. 1. You don't 2. They play this " money" game every day as part of their job you don't. 3. The product you are trying to sell them ( baseball player services) is very common. They have endless people wiling to sell them this product. Back to the point of this. Know your worth in the market place and get as much information as you can. As a funny side note my wife just texted me from my 18u sons tournament and told me she was just told by another parent in the stands that her son got an 83 percent scholarship. I laughed what perfect timing. I told her not to engage in that forum wrong place wrong time and done for the wrong purpose. The lady is just running off at the mouth. Talk like that is like listening to dad talk about fastball speeds. smile congratulate them take their number and divide by bull****

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Originally posted by seattlestars16:
Know your worth in the market place and get as much information as you can.

I don't think that anyone is saying that is wrong, but that was not the discussion here, it was about posting results on FB about who is recruiting your son and offers. You on the other hand are stating this is good information to know, but then you just said the info your wife heard is probably just a mom running off her mouth, same as the parent on FB, would you not agree? How is this info helpful?

You also indicated that every player from rookie ball to the highest level in all sports knows what each one makes and this is not necessarily the truth. I just wanted to point that out.

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dw8man said....I know of a young man who is showing very well right now as he heads into his senior year. I have noticed his mom and dad have started posting on Facebook information about schools talking to him and even some offer information.

This doesn't seem like the wisest move to me.

Anyone have any thoughts on it?

dw8man,

My two cents......Until an NLI is signed or son is officially accepted into the school is there a reason to share this information publically. I wouldn't do it any other way. Most people I know keep this information fairly close until a verbal committment is made. Typically that verbal committment information is shared with people close to the recruit or people that have helped the recruit.

If someone else wants to post their recruiting infomration and status on Facebook....go for it. Fine by me. However, I think most will see it as nothing more than ego stroking. I'm trying to think of one possible reason why the parents would do that. Sorry, I can only come up with one reason.