Who gets invited, are players being invited now, how is it run and who from the team organization attends?
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NJBB:
Back in 2001 we made two out of three trips. The Reds, Cardinals and Marlins all invited him to the pro Parks.
The Reds sent a letter a few weeks before the draft and Cardinals and Marlins called us through a scout. The work outs were all within three weeks of the draft.
In St. Louis they ran the 60 yard dash, took infield and outfield, catchers threw down for pop times, pitchers threw in the bull pens and were clocked, and then the position players took bp. In Cincinatti the players hit live pitching but everything else was about the same. We took in a ball game and had a good time.
My son was one of just a few high schoolers and the rest were JUCO or 4 year college players. I think there were about 25 players in all at both places. Didn't get to make it to Florida for the Marlins workout.
This is something you don't want to miss. I had goose bumps watching my son work out with these teams. He is now a college Junior, Here we go again.
He has met with a few clubs and took some tests.
Don't ever get exited till they call your name during the draft because anything can happen. You just set yourself up to get diappointed if you expect to much. You may have out priced yourself or they feel you are commited to going to college and they don't want to risk a higher pick on high school players who may not sign.
Good luck to all!
Back in 2001 we made two out of three trips. The Reds, Cardinals and Marlins all invited him to the pro Parks.
The Reds sent a letter a few weeks before the draft and Cardinals and Marlins called us through a scout. The work outs were all within three weeks of the draft.
In St. Louis they ran the 60 yard dash, took infield and outfield, catchers threw down for pop times, pitchers threw in the bull pens and were clocked, and then the position players took bp. In Cincinatti the players hit live pitching but everything else was about the same. We took in a ball game and had a good time.
My son was one of just a few high schoolers and the rest were JUCO or 4 year college players. I think there were about 25 players in all at both places. Didn't get to make it to Florida for the Marlins workout.
This is something you don't want to miss. I had goose bumps watching my son work out with these teams. He is now a college Junior, Here we go again.
He has met with a few clubs and took some tests. Don't ever get exited till they call your name during the draft because anything can happen. You just set yourself up to get diappointed if you expect to much. You may have out priced yourself or they feel you are commited to going to college and they don't want to risk a higher pick on high school players who may not sign.
Good luck to all!
When it comes to pre draft workouts you have to be careful. They are not going to befit every player. Some players are going to be hurt by them. You need to have a good adviser that knows the player and can let you know if and which ones you should attend and who will pay the expenses.
TBross,
If that's you, it's nice to see you involved in these discussions.
Do you still have Bobby L and if so how's he doing? Never forget who first told us about him. You and we both knew how special he could become. You might be just as good of a scout as you are an agent. If you've still got Bobby tell him hi for us.
If that's you, it's nice to see you involved in these discussions.
Do you still have Bobby L and if so how's he doing? Never forget who first told us about him. You and we both knew how special he could become. You might be just as good of a scout as you are an agent. If you've still got Bobby tell him hi for us.
Dont have a advisor, didnt think it was necessary, But I was also told that If you are invited it was important that you go... ( its local)
my son has been invited to his first pre draft work out. who pays the expenses, the club or
player? and if the club, does it affect ncaa
elegibility?
player? and if the club, does it affect ncaa
elegibility?
My understanding has been (and I could be wrong) that the player is responsible for his expenses when going to a pre-draft workout.
behindthefence you have a PM.
Twoseamer,
In 2003,the NCAA did allow major league teams to pay for the expenses of the high school player for a pre-draft workout. Having said that, some teams won't, or some will reimburse the player if they are drafted by that team. Other teams will offer to pay and make the travel arrangements for the player. I haven't checked the NCAA website "frequently asked questions" for this year, so my info might be dated. Take care.
In 2003,the NCAA did allow major league teams to pay for the expenses of the high school player for a pre-draft workout. Having said that, some teams won't, or some will reimburse the player if they are drafted by that team. Other teams will offer to pay and make the travel arrangements for the player. I haven't checked the NCAA website "frequently asked questions" for this year, so my info might be dated. Take care.
MEMORANDUM
March 11, 2004
TO: NCAA Divisions I, II and III Directors of Athletics.
FROM: William S. Saum
NCAA Director of Agent, Gambling and Amateurism Activities.
Sandy Parrott
Certification Coordinator for Basketball and Baseball.
SUBJECT: Reviewing NCAA Eligibility — Baseball Draft.
The Major League Baseball first-year player draft is scheduled for June 7-9, 2004, and many prospective and enrolled student-athletes will be facing difficult decisions in deciding whether to participate in collegiate or professional baseball. The following questions and answers have been developed to assist the athletes, their parents and NCAA schools in the decision-making process. The following questions and answers have been formatted to apply directly to the individual who has been drafted:
Question No. 8: I have heard that I can receive an expense-paid tryout to the city of a major league team. Is this true?
Answer: Yes, but only if you have not yet enrolled in a collegiate institution (including a two-year college). In this regard, NCAA rules do permit, prior to collegiate enrollment, a student-athlete to receive an expense-paid tryout with a major league team, provided such a visit does not exceed 48 hours and any payment or compensation in connection with the visit was not in excess of actual and necessary expenses. Thus, you may receive an expense-paid visit from a professional team, provided you participate in tryout activities that allow that club to evaluate you. You may receive such a visit either prior to or subsequent to the Major League Baseball draft. Additionally, you may try out at your own expense with that team for any length of time, provided you cease your tryout when you become a full-time student at any NCAA school.
March 11, 2004
TO: NCAA Divisions I, II and III Directors of Athletics.
FROM: William S. Saum
NCAA Director of Agent, Gambling and Amateurism Activities.
Sandy Parrott
Certification Coordinator for Basketball and Baseball.
SUBJECT: Reviewing NCAA Eligibility — Baseball Draft.
The Major League Baseball first-year player draft is scheduled for June 7-9, 2004, and many prospective and enrolled student-athletes will be facing difficult decisions in deciding whether to participate in collegiate or professional baseball. The following questions and answers have been developed to assist the athletes, their parents and NCAA schools in the decision-making process. The following questions and answers have been formatted to apply directly to the individual who has been drafted:
Question No. 8: I have heard that I can receive an expense-paid tryout to the city of a major league team. Is this true?
Answer: Yes, but only if you have not yet enrolled in a collegiate institution (including a two-year college). In this regard, NCAA rules do permit, prior to collegiate enrollment, a student-athlete to receive an expense-paid tryout with a major league team, provided such a visit does not exceed 48 hours and any payment or compensation in connection with the visit was not in excess of actual and necessary expenses. Thus, you may receive an expense-paid visit from a professional team, provided you participate in tryout activities that allow that club to evaluate you. You may receive such a visit either prior to or subsequent to the Major League Baseball draft. Additionally, you may try out at your own expense with that team for any length of time, provided you cease your tryout when you become a full-time student at any NCAA school.
Voodoo-
Is there any way someone other than an AD can access the entire document? I did a quick search on the NCAA site but didn't find it.
Thanks.
Is there any way someone other than an AD can access the entire document? I did a quick search on the NCAA site but didn't find it.
Thanks.
MLB teams do not pay for players to attend pre draft workouts, But if you get drafted and signed by that team they will re embused you for your expenses for the tryout.
04parent,
Article 12.2.1.1
Article 12.2.1.1
Dibble,
In 2003, some teams paid in full my son's expenses (hotel, airfare, etc.)for pre-draft workouts. As previously stated, it doesn't happen that often, but high school players can be covered.
In 2003, some teams paid in full my son's expenses (hotel, airfare, etc.)for pre-draft workouts. As previously stated, it doesn't happen that often, but high school players can be covered.
quote:
Originally posted by Dibble:
MLB teams do not pay for players to attend pre draft workouts, But if you get drafted and signed by that team they will re embused you for your expenses for the tryout.
Is there something in my above post you couldn't read or understand?
WHAT?!? andy passing out bad info?!?
baseonballs50
Thanks for the info on the NCAA rule.
Thanks for the info on the NCAA rule.
You honest think a MLB team is gonna pay for 30 players travel costs to attend a pre draft workout , when there is 30-1 chance against that team actually drafting them. Most MLB teams have no idea who will actually show up for a pre draft, All the top players are being asked to attend every teams MLB pre draft workouts
The local player was called by the Red Sox the day before the draft to fly to Boston and get work out by the Scouting director, GM and owner of the Red Sox. The players family paid for the travel costs, not the Red Sox, when he was drafted by the teamin the 2nd RD and signed then they reimbused him then. If someone else drafted him, the dad would have been footing the bill.
The local player was called by the Red Sox the day before the draft to fly to Boston and get work out by the Scouting director, GM and owner of the Red Sox. The players family paid for the travel costs, not the Red Sox, when he was drafted by the teamin the 2nd RD and signed then they reimbused him then. If someone else drafted him, the dad would have been footing the bill.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dibble:
You honest think a MLB team is gonna pay for 30 players travel costs to attend a pre draft workout , when there is 30-1 chance against that team actually drafting them.
Speaking as an Agent who over my 30 years in the biz has had many clients attend pre-draft workouts, you are 100% wrong.
You honest think a MLB team is gonna pay for 30 players travel costs to attend a pre draft workout , when there is 30-1 chance against that team actually drafting them.
Speaking as an Agent who over my 30 years in the biz has had many clients attend pre-draft workouts, you are 100% wrong.
But voodoochile...andy is an agent and a scout..he can't be wrong 
redbird, you think voodoo (andy or A.L.) is afraid his identity will be revealed? He seems to have stopped posting somewhat.
Mr October, I do not understand your question. Are you saying that Voodoo is Andy?
I would think that an agent living in Florida would be busy during SPRING TRAINING!
I would think that an agent living in Florida would be busy during SPRING TRAINING!
Voodoo
Hmm 30 years, that would be since 1974 or before free agency started at the MLB level.
Quiz for you Voodoo( agent quiz)
1)who was the first player that challenged the reserve clause
2) 1st player to hire an agent
3) First free agent on open market
4) name the player and agent that caused all the loophole free agents in 1996
Hmm 30 years, that would be since 1974 or before free agency started at the MLB level.
Quiz for you Voodoo( agent quiz)
1)who was the first player that challenged the reserve clause
2) 1st player to hire an agent
3) First free agent on open market
4) name the player and agent that caused all the loophole free agents in 1996
quote:
Originally posted by Dibble:
Voodoo
Hmm 30 years, that would be since 1974 or before free agency started at the MLB level.
Quiz for you Voodoo( agent quiz)
Do I win a car if I get the questions right?
quote:
Originally posted by MrOctober:
redbird, you think voodoo (andy or A.L.) is afraid his identity will be revealed? He seems to have stopped posting somewhat.
Sorry to disappoint you, I'm not Andy or A.L.
naw, a free lifesaver and a
free Tank Black T-Shirt
free Tank Black T-Shirt
voodoo is not andy.
A free tee shirt?!! count me in.
Curt Flood challenged the reserve clause in an anti-trust suit in 73 and lost.
Messerschmidt was one of the first to sign as free agent.
Curt Flood challenged the reserve clause in an anti-trust suit in 73 and lost.
Messerschmidt was one of the first to sign as free agent.
Quiz for you Voodoo( agent quiz)
1)who was the first player that challenged the reserve clause . Curt Flood
2) 1st player to hire an agent. Mr Coffee Joe Dimaggio hired a Hollywood agent and held out during spring training
3) First free agent on open market . Catfish Hunter, Charlie Finley broke a his contract by not sending $50,000 to Catfishes Mom. Went on the open market after winning the 1974 Cy Young and got 3.5 million for 5 years with the Yankees. Dave Mc Nally and Andy Messersmith went through the courts and gave all the players the rights to free agency when their contract was up
4) name the player and agent that caused all the loophole free agents in 1996
Bobby Seay, with Scott Boras help learned of a loophole where the teams had to submit a written minor league contract withing 5 days of drafting you, 20 teams hmmm forgot, 5 players took advantage of it
1)who was the first player that challenged the reserve clause . Curt Flood
2) 1st player to hire an agent. Mr Coffee Joe Dimaggio hired a Hollywood agent and held out during spring training
3) First free agent on open market . Catfish Hunter, Charlie Finley broke a his contract by not sending $50,000 to Catfishes Mom. Went on the open market after winning the 1974 Cy Young and got 3.5 million for 5 years with the Yankees. Dave Mc Nally and Andy Messersmith went through the courts and gave all the players the rights to free agency when their contract was up
4) name the player and agent that caused all the loophole free agents in 1996
Bobby Seay, with Scott Boras help learned of a loophole where the teams had to submit a written minor league contract withing 5 days of drafting you, 20 teams hmmm forgot, 5 players took advantage of it
quote:
Originally posted by Dibble:
Quiz for you Voodoo( agent quiz)
1)who was the first player that challenged the reserve clause . Curt Flood
2) 1st player to hire an agent. Mr Coffee Joe Dimaggio hired a Hollywood agent and held out during spring training
3) First free agent on open market . Catfish Hunter, Charlie Finley broke a his contract by not sending $50,000 to Catfishes Mom. Went on the open market after winning the 1974 Cy Young and got 3.5 million for 5 years with the Yankees. Dave Mc Nally and Andy Messersmith went through the courts and gave all the players the rights to free agency when their contract was up
4) name the player and agent that caused all the loophole free agents in 1996
Bobby Seay, with Scott Boras help learned of a loophole where the teams had to submit a written minor league contract withing 5 days of drafting you, 20 teams hmmm forgot, 5 players took advantage of it
Quiz for you Dibble:
1) How many wannabes does it take to change a lightbulb?
2) If a car carrying a wannabe is heading west @ 50 mph & hits a tree that is 20' tall & 6' around, how long will it take before I care?
The teams can pay for the trip but the MLB offices tell them not to. I would be adamant that they pay if my son was going. Do not buy the line we will pay if we draft and sign him.
Yes PB Staff it is me and I have a new one for you. John Potterson is the best HS power prospect in the 2004 draft! This kids hits the ball like no other HS kid I have EVER seen. Including Kotchman and the like.
Yes PB Staff it is me and I have a new one for you. John Potterson is the best HS power prospect in the 2004 draft! This kids hits the ball like no other HS kid I have EVER seen. Including Kotchman and the like.
