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Could it be that the parents who pay $550 a pop for their son to go to a PG Showcase don't want to see him rated as a "mere 5-6"?
I sense a rating escalation to satisfy the paying customers.
I sense a rating escalation to satisfy the paying customers.
Obviously PG is best to answer your question, but like BOF states not many will want to be told that they are not a prospect nor a lot of families which have no chance spend a larger sum of money to attend a showcase, but I am also of the belief that there is an amount of overlap in the skill levels of DI, DII, DIII, Juco, and NAIA where one can find a program that they will fit in. I often times state that where the program is may not be where the player would see themselves play at or want to attend school academically, but they could play.
If you actually recruiting for a program and using it as a source of players, you may in fact want to look at the 5-6 ranges that you can motivate to play at a DIII program based on academics and opportunity to have a chance to play.
If you actually recruiting for a program and using it as a source of players, you may in fact want to look at the 5-6 ranges that you can motivate to play at a DIII program based on academics and opportunity to have a chance to play.
quote:If you actually recruiting for a program and using it as a source of players, you may in fact want to look at the 5-6 ranges that you can motivate to play at a DIII program based on academics and opportunity to have a chance to play.
Those receiving 7 ratings -- and those with higher ratings who are academically-inclined -- may also be interested. My hunch is that there are a lot more players receiving 6's and 7's than there are available D2 and JUCO positions, meaning a lot of players in that range may be looking for a place to play come spring.
Our family visted a very successful D3 school last fall. The coach told us he goes after the D1 borderline players, he loses some of them but also gets some of them.
quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
How can I trust a 6 or 7 ranking when there is no such thing as a 1,2,3, or 4? I am baffled with this rating system.
mike - I don't find your first couple of posts to this site (in this and the recruiting forum) to be very friendly. They seemed designed to embarrass PG imho. Why don't you direct these questions to him in private using the PM feature of this site? I have a very strong feeling you a) have an agenda and b) are not going to be around here very long with that attitude. Other than that, welcome to the site
quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
How can I trust a 6 or 7 ranking when there is no such thing as a 1,2,3, or 4? I am baffled with this rating system.
mike - I don't find your first couple of posts to this site (in this and the recruiting forum) to be very friendly. They seemed designed to embarrass PG imho. Why don't you direct these questions to him in private using the PM feature of this site? I have a very strong feeling you a) have an agenda and b) are not going to be around here very long with that attitude. Other than that, welcome to the site
quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
How can I trust a 6 or 7 ranking when there is no such thing as a 1,2,3, or 4? I am baffled with this rating system.
I would guess most kids who are in that range know it and see no need to attend, so I wouldn't expect to see many, if any 5 to 6 and belows.
Is it possible if a kid gets a score that low they don't publish it or the kid asks to be removed from their list?
Maybe the answer is somewhere in between....
There have been a number of very public discussions about the PG rating system in the past. If you use the search feature you should be able to find them. Having attended about 6 PG showcases, I tend to agree that the customers are somewhat self-selecting. It is highly unusual to find a player who sticks out on the lower end. There are some stars and there are a lot of good, solid ball players. I know of several players rated 7 or 7.5 who are playing or will be playing at D1 schools and I know quite a few players rated 8 or higher who are playing at D3s. If I were you I'd go after the players that interest you and sell your program to them.
mike,
Now I've found your second post. Here is another honest answer.
This has been explained many times on here. Most of the events we don't have many participants that end up at DIII schools.
If one looks through the statistics you will notice that nearly 78% of last years entire draft class attended PG events. If you look at the colleges attended you will notice a very high percentage of DI colleges listed.
We have often said that our grade is determined by "potential" rather than "current" ability. Most players we see have "potential" to play DI, DII, or Juco. Most of our events are not set up to appeal to DIII type players. Some players who end up at DIII colleges are still DI potential in our estimation. In addition, many of those graded below 5 (sometimes higher) request that we take their grade off... and we do. The search function on crosschecker will not allow filtering by a specific grade. It only shows those with a filtered grade on up. Our actual database has many lower grades that don't appear on pgcrosschecker.
We do have a tendency to grade high rather than low. If you think about it... If someone goes to your event would you rather miss high or low when grading that player? Especially when dealing with "potential"!
In many years of doing this we have never received a complaint from a scout or college coach about our grading system. We have received many compliments. Most complaints come from parents who think we have graded their son too low.
We are going to change the grading system, because it does confuse some people. We're just not in hurry to do that.
BOF,
If a 5 or 6 is the most we can honestly give a player, that is what we do. It has been done many times. We are always interested in satisfying customers, but not interested in jeopardizing our integrity! There is no conspiracy involved.
Thanks for the thought though!
Now I've found your second post. Here is another honest answer.
This has been explained many times on here. Most of the events we don't have many participants that end up at DIII schools.
If one looks through the statistics you will notice that nearly 78% of last years entire draft class attended PG events. If you look at the colleges attended you will notice a very high percentage of DI colleges listed.
We have often said that our grade is determined by "potential" rather than "current" ability. Most players we see have "potential" to play DI, DII, or Juco. Most of our events are not set up to appeal to DIII type players. Some players who end up at DIII colleges are still DI potential in our estimation. In addition, many of those graded below 5 (sometimes higher) request that we take their grade off... and we do. The search function on crosschecker will not allow filtering by a specific grade. It only shows those with a filtered grade on up. Our actual database has many lower grades that don't appear on pgcrosschecker.
We do have a tendency to grade high rather than low. If you think about it... If someone goes to your event would you rather miss high or low when grading that player? Especially when dealing with "potential"!
In many years of doing this we have never received a complaint from a scout or college coach about our grading system. We have received many compliments. Most complaints come from parents who think we have graded their son too low.
We are going to change the grading system, because it does confuse some people. We're just not in hurry to do that.
BOF,
If a 5 or 6 is the most we can honestly give a player, that is what we do. It has been done many times. We are always interested in satisfying customers, but not interested in jeopardizing our integrity! There is no conspiracy involved.
Thanks for the thought though!
In defense of PG, the higher ratings are given sparingly. I know a lot of players, and I haven't seen any 10's or 9.5's that weren't justified, and have been surprised at many extremely talented players who received 9's or lower. There is a D1 2010 RHP commit in my area who got a 7.5. His college commit is to a solid D1 program. Perhaps he had a bad day, but I don't think his score was because of grade inflation. If anything, he was one of the many who scored lower than what his eventual college outcome was. I have heard the "pay for a good grade" argument before, but I haven't seen much objective evidence of it based on kids I know who attended PG events. In any data set, there will always be a few questionable calls, but for the most part, I think PG makes its evalautions with integrity using experienced observers.
So why aren't a lot of low ratings issued? Probably because most parents would know a showcase is a waste of time and money if their son was in the 1-5 category, unless they had unrealistic views of their son's talent. Hence, mostly pretty good HS players attend the showcases. They are expensive and people have to consider the value. The cost actually acts as an evaluation threshold for the less talented players. Competent HS and summer coaches can tell a player if its worth the cost.
So why aren't a lot of low ratings issued? Probably because most parents would know a showcase is a waste of time and money if their son was in the 1-5 category, unless they had unrealistic views of their son's talent. Hence, mostly pretty good HS players attend the showcases. They are expensive and people have to consider the value. The cost actually acts as an evaluation threshold for the less talented players. Competent HS and summer coaches can tell a player if its worth the cost.
mike.black,
I do agree with one point. Many D3 programs are extraordianarily good (JUCO's NAIA, and D2 as well), but for the most part, I have seen D3 teams mainly filled with kids who were HS varsity starters, or better athletes who chose not to pursue a D1 career for a variety of reasons, usually educational. My oldest son did that, preferring the D3 route to the huge time committment of D1.
PG's rankings do overgeneralize at the lower levels, and could stand a little re-calibrating to the extent they indicate that various programs are "lesser" programs just because of their divisional status. But it is true that generally D1 has the most talent and that talent levels drop off a bit in lower divisions.
I do agree with one point. Many D3 programs are extraordianarily good (JUCO's NAIA, and D2 as well), but for the most part, I have seen D3 teams mainly filled with kids who were HS varsity starters, or better athletes who chose not to pursue a D1 career for a variety of reasons, usually educational. My oldest son did that, preferring the D3 route to the huge time committment of D1.
PG's rankings do overgeneralize at the lower levels, and could stand a little re-calibrating to the extent they indicate that various programs are "lesser" programs just because of their divisional status. But it is true that generally D1 has the most talent and that talent levels drop off a bit in lower divisions.
mike,
Thanks for replying on that other post. I will believe you when you say you help recruit at a small college.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a solid DIII prospect.
I coached at two small colleges. I was always looking for players who were better than our competitors. If I had a roster full of 7s and above, which we always did, we were going to be very successful. One year we had two pitchers who ended up pitching in the Big Leagues and a CF who got to AAA. Also had two players later transfer to DI schools.
So if a 3 (our scale) Is defined - ("Possible" DIII or low level Juco prospect) what does that say?
It tells the player he is a POSSIBLE DIII player. It tells the "competitive" DIII coaches to look higher!
Mike... If you are really helping recruit DIII players, look higher than 3s and 4s. There are 7s and even 8s at some DIII schools. There simply are not enough DI spots to take all the potential DI players.
Thanks for replying on that other post. I will believe you when you say you help recruit at a small college.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a solid DIII prospect.
I coached at two small colleges. I was always looking for players who were better than our competitors. If I had a roster full of 7s and above, which we always did, we were going to be very successful. One year we had two pitchers who ended up pitching in the Big Leagues and a CF who got to AAA. Also had two players later transfer to DI schools.
So if a 3 (our scale) Is defined - ("Possible" DIII or low level Juco prospect) what does that say?
It tells the player he is a POSSIBLE DIII player. It tells the "competitive" DIII coaches to look higher!
Mike... If you are really helping recruit DIII players, look higher than 3s and 4s. There are 7s and even 8s at some DIII schools. There simply are not enough DI spots to take all the potential DI players.
Mike,
If you're truly a coach, I suggest you go to this site and you will find players. You will even get to see them. It's absolutely free to college coaches. You just have to register.http://www.baseballwebtv.com/
If you're truly a coach, I suggest you go to this site and you will find players. You will even get to see them. It's absolutely free to college coaches. You just have to register.http://www.baseballwebtv.com/
Got it - seems to make sense based on the explanation of a "projectable" ranking and I can also see that the statistical sample is pre-selected to some extent, as parents will hold off until they think their son will score a particular number.
The projectability factor will tend to group the rankings as well as the data is already pre-selected, together with a little bit of “please the customer” factor you end up with the ranking scale that is shifted slightly higher than a straight "as you see it" non pre-selected data ranking system.
So Mike I would just sort the data a little higher than your intuition initially told you and see what you come up with.
Actually, I would be curious to see how it works for you so keep us informed if you can.
The projectability factor will tend to group the rankings as well as the data is already pre-selected, together with a little bit of “please the customer” factor you end up with the ranking scale that is shifted slightly higher than a straight "as you see it" non pre-selected data ranking system.
So Mike I would just sort the data a little higher than your intuition initially told you and see what you come up with.
Actually, I would be curious to see how it works for you so keep us informed if you can.
So my interpretation of the ratings would be that a player who receives a 6 (possible D1, definite D2) is someone who at the showcase was evaluated to already be suited to play at the D2 level and with improvement could go to D1. Is this accurate?
Just an observation:
You say you are with a small Division III school---we accept that--to me that means a rather limited recruiting budget particularly where travel is concerned
The region you are in has some excellent baseball talent
If I where you I would be beating the bushes in your region seeking players, rather than being concerned about ratings lists and how they are formulated.
If you utilize the list then isolate the players in your region and get to see them in action for yourself and do your own evaluation.
Just my thoughts
You say you are with a small Division III school---we accept that--to me that means a rather limited recruiting budget particularly where travel is concerned
The region you are in has some excellent baseball talent
If I where you I would be beating the bushes in your region seeking players, rather than being concerned about ratings lists and how they are formulated.
If you utilize the list then isolate the players in your region and get to see them in action for yourself and do your own evaluation.
Just my thoughts
First of all, Mike, this is not intened to infer anything about your questions or responses, just my experiences.
PG - Very good reply - Certainly, there are other fine baseball services available; however, as I have said for many years, in my opinion, Perfect Game does it far better than any other organization. My son attended his one and only Showcase at the end of his freshman year (15 yrs old) and I realized at that time, his rating was based on projections. Now a senior in high school, I know his rating is still very accurate today because it has been verified by the responses of many recruiters and pro scouts. Maybe, the system doesn't fit every single player and maybe, they miss one or two; however, it is the best system I have ever encountered for amature athletes.
PG - Very good reply - Certainly, there are other fine baseball services available; however, as I have said for many years, in my opinion, Perfect Game does it far better than any other organization. My son attended his one and only Showcase at the end of his freshman year (15 yrs old) and I realized at that time, his rating was based on projections. Now a senior in high school, I know his rating is still very accurate today because it has been verified by the responses of many recruiters and pro scouts. Maybe, the system doesn't fit every single player and maybe, they miss one or two; however, it is the best system I have ever encountered for amature athletes.
quote:My main concern is that I really can't find a single player under a 5 rating. Why do these ratings exist? It makes it impossible for me to sort through lower level "fit" players.
A better statistic for me would be, how many 2008 graduates are listed on th crosschecker with a PG grade over 6 who did NOT go on to play college baseball at all? Is this a large percent? If so, that is a concern for me when filtering players.
Mike,
We simply don't get many players who would fit in something less than a 5 category. 5 - Possible DII prospect or mid range Juco prospect
Please don't take that to mean there is anything wrong with being a DIII player. Once again, there are some DIII players with DI ability. So there are definetely some 5s to 8s or even better playing DIII baseball somewhere.
Once again notice the word "Possible". Most everyone we see could be projected at least a 5. Even though they might currently be a 4.
The first time we saw Prince Fielder we gave him a 6.5 and thought we were being generous. Later we gave him a 10 and would have graded him higher if we had a higher grade to give. We were asked to delete the 6.5 and we did. We are wrong at times, but never wrong on purpose. Knowing ahead of time we will be wrong at times, we would rather be wrong because we over rated someone than under rated someone. Under Rating someone is more damaging than Over rating them.
Really, if I knew ahead of time someone was going to grade a 4 or lower, I'd tell them they shouldn't be at one of our events. Believe it or not, I have told people they probably would not benefit by attending.
I don't think you can filter what you're looking for, but that information is available if you search long enough.
In our estimation and my own opinion when I coached. The high level DIII's are not DIII's! We would never push a high level DIII away from a showcase other than maybe the most elite type events like the National Showcase.
There are many levels of DIII baseball. None of which should be an embarrassment.
Yes, I believe most players who end up at nearly any college, could have the "potential" to play at a higher level.
There is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about playing college baseball at any level. Did I somehow make it sound like a joke or are you just into arguing?
I'm starting to feel that paranoia creeping in again!
Listen just read what I've written, don't add anything to it. Please we will gladly give you a refund if pgcrosschecker isn't providing you with enough accurate information. Somehow, I'm once again thinking there is much more involved here.
There are many levels of DIII baseball. None of which should be an embarrassment.
Yes, I believe most players who end up at nearly any college, could have the "potential" to play at a higher level.
There is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about playing college baseball at any level. Did I somehow make it sound like a joke or are you just into arguing?
I'm starting to feel that paranoia creeping in again!
Listen just read what I've written, don't add anything to it. Please we will gladly give you a refund if pgcrosschecker isn't providing you with enough accurate information. Somehow, I'm once again thinking there is much more involved here.
quote:The first time we saw Prince Fielder we gave him a 6.5
Dang!- my son(current 2009/just turned 17) got rated the same as Prince!
Mike, many players go D3 for many reasons. Son was rated 6.5 as a 16 y old LHP. We looked mainly D3 for many reasons, academics, playing time, etc.
If I was a coach of D3, I would be looking at the 6 and 7 ratings as many want to play and develop, and a strong D3 (or even not so strong) will afford them (especially pitchers) more opportunities to get innings.
I agree with his PG rating and if he reaches what are reachable goals, I would not be surprised at a late round draft pick for a LHP. But, I also wouldnt be surprised if he didnt get drafted.
At this point, all he can do is continue to grow, get an education, pitch, have fun, and develop.
PG quick question. Why do some ask to have the lower ratings removed? Seems to me that if a player is rated at a lower number at a showcase one year and then he goes the next and improves his rating, that would only help him. IE: shows that he is getting better as a player over time/experience,is there something I'm not understanding about the rating system? 
Mike, my kid was originally graded a 6.5 by PG. That's "possible D1 prospect". Guess what? He's now D1. Oh, and he was drafted. That was not a "miss" by PG that was the truth at that time! I accepted it and my son kept plugging away to get a better ranking and improve his play.
You can try but you won't convince anyone on this board that PG is anything but reputable. Hopefully, you don't have an agenda, but if you do, you're spinning your wheels because the truth always wins out. And all you're doing is giving free advertising to PG because folks reading this are going to know how we feel about them.
If there is no agenda--again, I hope not--let us know what college you're recruiting for and we'll gladly send some players your way. I know a few 2's and 3's.
You can try but you won't convince anyone on this board that PG is anything but reputable. Hopefully, you don't have an agenda, but if you do, you're spinning your wheels because the truth always wins out. And all you're doing is giving free advertising to PG because folks reading this are going to know how we feel about them.
If there is no agenda--again, I hope not--let us know what college you're recruiting for and we'll gladly send some players your way. I know a few 2's and 3's.
I know a player that got a 6.5 at his first PG showcase after his fresh year in hs going into his soph season. Later he was a 8.5. His last showcase he was a 9.5 and signed with LSU. I was at the showcase where he got the 6.5 and thought it was generous. Later I thought the 9.5 was about right.
It is based on potential. When you go to a PG showcase most if not all the players would be stars on their hs team. They are all very good players. People dont pay that kind of money and fly pay to travel to attend these types of events is their son is not good. Why would they?
I have always been very impressed with the way kids I know that attend end up getting rated. Its almost always right where I would rank them. Most of the time if I miss I would rank them a little lower than PG does.
Now if you want to see a bunch of low scores just hold these events for free and hold them all around the nation so everyone can attend. Pay all travel expenses and feed them for free. But I bet you would still have a hard time getting as many to these events as you do to the ones that are held now. Why? Because the kids that are good will do whatever they have to do to be seen and evaluated. The majority of the rest would have better things to do.
It is based on potential. When you go to a PG showcase most if not all the players would be stars on their hs team. They are all very good players. People dont pay that kind of money and fly pay to travel to attend these types of events is their son is not good. Why would they?
I have always been very impressed with the way kids I know that attend end up getting rated. Its almost always right where I would rank them. Most of the time if I miss I would rank them a little lower than PG does.
Now if you want to see a bunch of low scores just hold these events for free and hold them all around the nation so everyone can attend. Pay all travel expenses and feed them for free. But I bet you would still have a hard time getting as many to these events as you do to the ones that are held now. Why? Because the kids that are good will do whatever they have to do to be seen and evaluated. The majority of the rest would have better things to do.
from my own experience,i've known many recruited d1 players that turned out to be nonqualifiers out of high school. but fit perfectly into most any d3 or jc program.
if i were a d3 coach i'd be looking at the 7's and 8's as well as the clearing house , sat scores. i think you'll find you'll be better off.
but that's me.
if i were a d3 coach i'd be looking at the 7's and 8's as well as the clearing house , sat scores. i think you'll find you'll be better off.
but that's me.
Let me just say this to prove my point. I hold many camps during the year. Most are free. Thats right free to anyone that wants to attend. I do this to see players , work with players and allow some guys to teach because thats a great way to learn as well. And just because I love being at the park and teaching the game. Sometimes I charge but its always a minimal fee and it goes towards paying my former players that are working the camps etc.
You want to know who shows up at these events? The top guys around. The better players on their hs teams. The last one day camp I held we had 65 players attend. They came from all over the state of NC , some from SC and VA. There was not one player that was not a very good hs player. Every kid that showed up was very solid. Some were absolute studs. Now why is this? The answer is obvious when you have been around the game as long as I have. These guys are the players they are becuase they cant wait for something like this. There is nothing they would rather do that go get some baseball. They take advantage of every opportunity they can to get better and work at the game and to enjoy the game and to be around other players.
Just coach a team from your community ONE year. The kids that want the extra bp most of the time are your better hitters. The kids that want more ground balls are usually your better fielders. The kids that love the game the most and want to work at the game the most are usually your better players. I wonder why?
There I go again PG. Sorry.
You want to know who shows up at these events? The top guys around. The better players on their hs teams. The last one day camp I held we had 65 players attend. They came from all over the state of NC , some from SC and VA. There was not one player that was not a very good hs player. Every kid that showed up was very solid. Some were absolute studs. Now why is this? The answer is obvious when you have been around the game as long as I have. These guys are the players they are becuase they cant wait for something like this. There is nothing they would rather do that go get some baseball. They take advantage of every opportunity they can to get better and work at the game and to enjoy the game and to be around other players.
Just coach a team from your community ONE year. The kids that want the extra bp most of the time are your better hitters. The kids that want more ground balls are usually your better fielders. The kids that love the game the most and want to work at the game the most are usually your better players. I wonder why?
There I go again PG. Sorry.
Mike - I hesitate to join in here because I am not a coach. However, I can tell you that after seeing several tournaments and events that what is being said about players self selecting is correct.
There are several very good players that never go to a PG showcase. However, very many of them go to at least 1 or 2 of the tournaments. Not going to a showcase can be indicative of a lot of things including choosing to pursue other showcases, lack of financial resources (it is expensive), lack of opportunity for other reasons, football or involvement in other sports, lack of interest, etc.
Still, I'm sure that you're good at spotting talent and potential since you're helping recruit. I've known several kids who know, and their parent know, that they will not play D1 ball. These kids will often still play on competitive summer teams but I've found that many of them choose to focus on smaller schools and target the coaches of the schools they want to attend. They are good players that have chosen not to put much more into getting noticed because they may not have much chance of appealing to schools outside of their region.
The kids I've seen that fit this mode would probably rank in the 5-7 range if they attended a PG showcase, in my estimate. There is usually something that they do or don't do or some physical stature that would eliminate them from playing at most D1 programs. Being 5 foot 6, running an 7.6 sixty as a middle infielder, or having less developed footwork or hitting mechanics, for instance.
I'm suggesting that a lot of the kids you may want to target would be those that PG has on file but that haven't been to a showcase. Some you will find on a state by state list of unranked players, for instance.
I agree with the earlier posts that stated you should go for the best players you can find. I know plenty of 7-8 rated players that have decided to play D3. If you contact kids and advertise you may be surprised at how many would consider travelling well outside of their region to attend your school.
It would be great if PG gave ratings to those that didn't attend a showcase. But in a sense they do that through their national and state rankings. You may get more out of looking there to start.
Good luck.
There are several very good players that never go to a PG showcase. However, very many of them go to at least 1 or 2 of the tournaments. Not going to a showcase can be indicative of a lot of things including choosing to pursue other showcases, lack of financial resources (it is expensive), lack of opportunity for other reasons, football or involvement in other sports, lack of interest, etc.
Still, I'm sure that you're good at spotting talent and potential since you're helping recruit. I've known several kids who know, and their parent know, that they will not play D1 ball. These kids will often still play on competitive summer teams but I've found that many of them choose to focus on smaller schools and target the coaches of the schools they want to attend. They are good players that have chosen not to put much more into getting noticed because they may not have much chance of appealing to schools outside of their region.
The kids I've seen that fit this mode would probably rank in the 5-7 range if they attended a PG showcase, in my estimate. There is usually something that they do or don't do or some physical stature that would eliminate them from playing at most D1 programs. Being 5 foot 6, running an 7.6 sixty as a middle infielder, or having less developed footwork or hitting mechanics, for instance.
I'm suggesting that a lot of the kids you may want to target would be those that PG has on file but that haven't been to a showcase. Some you will find on a state by state list of unranked players, for instance.
I agree with the earlier posts that stated you should go for the best players you can find. I know plenty of 7-8 rated players that have decided to play D3. If you contact kids and advertise you may be surprised at how many would consider travelling well outside of their region to attend your school.
It would be great if PG gave ratings to those that didn't attend a showcase. But in a sense they do that through their national and state rankings. You may get more out of looking there to start.
Good luck.
Well, Mike, they DON'T rank everyone high. I think that was sortof the point I was making. I know of at least one other poster whose son got a lower PG score and guess what--he's playing college ball at a top school.
Guess what, there are DIII players drafted every year and there are a lot of DI players that do not get drafted.....there is overlap.
It really sounds like you are either you have other motives or you are trying to have someone do all the work for you in your recruiting.
Since you are recruiting for a DIII program, I am sure you are aware that you will need to sell yourself much more that a DI, DII, or JC, since the tendency for the players to want to go to a higher level with the possibility of getting money or since many DIII are smaller schools with a higher cost of education without athletic grants.
Since you are a DIII recruiting coach you may need to know that the source you are looking for players gets more professional and DI prospects than anyone else in the business, in order for you to find someone who will do your work, you may want to contact another group which tends to charge a large amount (thousands of dollars) to play on their teams for a tournament and who’s niche is players at lower levels that will send you out recruiting information on those who sign up for their service, if you need their name I can provide that to you.
It really sounds like you are either you have other motives or you are trying to have someone do all the work for you in your recruiting.
Since you are recruiting for a DIII program, I am sure you are aware that you will need to sell yourself much more that a DI, DII, or JC, since the tendency for the players to want to go to a higher level with the possibility of getting money or since many DIII are smaller schools with a higher cost of education without athletic grants.
Since you are a DIII recruiting coach you may need to know that the source you are looking for players gets more professional and DI prospects than anyone else in the business, in order for you to find someone who will do your work, you may want to contact another group which tends to charge a large amount (thousands of dollars) to play on their teams for a tournament and who’s niche is players at lower levels that will send you out recruiting information on those who sign up for their service, if you need their name I can provide that to you.
It would be interesting to know how many ratings PG gives out in a given class, say the class of 2009. From looking at the information that is available to me at my lower subscription level I would guess that there are less than 2000 kids that have attended a showcase and have received a rating. Can you answer this, PG? If this is anywhere close to correct it makes perfect sense that most most players have a 7 or better.
Don't go after the lower players??
Every player should strive to play the highest baseball possible.
Every Coach should strive to pick up the best talent available.
Mike, go after the best players you can get in your program.
Don't settle for anything less Thats your JOB, Be a Recruitor.
EH
Every player should strive to play the highest baseball possible.
Every Coach should strive to pick up the best talent available.
Mike, go after the best players you can get in your program.
Don't settle for anything less Thats your JOB, Be a Recruitor.
EH
quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
Are you trying to say that a 6.5 (possible DI prospect) is not a high ranking??? Do people here realize the difficulty of playing DI baseball? You assumed a 6.5 to be an insult, which in reality is a heck of a compliment
Yes, I'm saying a 6.5 is not a high ranking. And no, I am not assuming it to be an insult. Like I said, my own son got a 6.5 and I was not "insulted".
PG is grading players not just on present ability but on projection. All but a few of their showcases are for Juniors and lower, with most of them (I believe) to be for sophomores. So let's take a sophomore who gets a 6.5. This says he has the potential to go D1. A lot of high school players have the potential to go D1 if they work at their game! A lot don't but I've been to a lot of showcases and I don't see them there. Either they weren't invited or don't have the skill or desire to go to the next level.
So this 6.5 kid is "insulted", mopes around, plays video games instead of working on his game and his potential is squandered.
Or he can work his butt off and get a 9.5.
quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
Why not wait until Senior year to rank them? They all have potential.
Many of the guys who played on our travel team and high school team had committed to DI schools early their Junior year.
quote:Originally posted by Bum:quote:Originally posted by mike.black66:
Are you trying to say that a 6.5 (possible DI prospect) is not a high ranking??? Do people here realize the difficulty of playing DI baseball? You assumed a 6.5 to be an insult, which in reality is a heck of a compliment
Yes, I'm saying a 6.5 is not a high ranking. And no, I am not assuming it to be an insult. Like I said, my own son got a 6.5 and I was not "insulted".
PG is grading players not just on present ability but on projection. All but a few of their showcases are for Juniors and lower, with most of them (I believe) to be for sophomores. So let's take a sophomore who gets a 6.5. This says he has the potential to go D1. A lot of high school players have the potential to go D1 if they work at their game! A lot don't but I've been to a lot of showcases and I don't see them there. Either they weren't invited or don't have the skill or desire to go to the next level.
So this 6.5 kid is "insulted", mopes around, plays video games instead of working on his game and his potential is squandered.
Or he can work his butt off and get a 9.5.
I agree with Bum. i know my son was not satisfied with a 6.5. But he chose to use it as a challenge to keep improving . -knowing that coaches look at these ratings he of course felt he was behind a lot of players out there. He wasnt insulted, but he wasnt happy either-
Oh brother 
Mine was ranked 0.0 on the Blutarsky Scale
Mine was ranked 0.0 on the Blutarsky Scale
Mike,
You are becoming more and more obvious with each post. You are the very first college coach we've ever heard complain about this. Odd that you would show up on the LIST thread. Wouldn't be because you are associated with someone that thread pertains to... WOULD IT! Then you start this thread oddly enough! Your motive is clear.
You just keep banging away. Why would a college recruiter do that?
I will continue answering you when ever possible because I am stupid!
You are becoming more and more obvious with each post. You are the very first college coach we've ever heard complain about this. Odd that you would show up on the LIST thread. Wouldn't be because you are associated with someone that thread pertains to... WOULD IT! Then you start this thread oddly enough! Your motive is clear.
You just keep banging away. Why would a college recruiter do that?
I will continue answering you when ever possible because I am stupid!
Mike, or whoever he is, certainly seems to have an agenda. Focusing on things that don't at all represent a recruiters mentality, asking a lot of questions and not answering any. A review of his recent and only posts tells a story.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
I will continue answering you when ever possible because I am stupid!
Does that mean I am stupid too?
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Why am I being insulted for bringing up a topic that is extremely important to me and my job?
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If it's so important to your job, you should have to see the kid play and make your own evalution anyway. As good as I think the PG organization is, I would not make a decision on a kid unless I saw him play myself and did other research.
236 to go!
Why am I being insulted for bringing up a topic that is extremely important to me and my job?
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If it's so important to your job, you should have to see the kid play and make your own evalution anyway. As good as I think the PG organization is, I would not make a decision on a kid unless I saw him play myself and did other research.
236 to go!
kbat,
I have nothing against the way you look at this. I won't try to change your mind. Some of what you've stated I would agree with.
However, tomorrow if I can find the time at the office, I will list some, lower than 8 grade, players who just recently signed with some of what everyone here would say are Top Level DI college programs.
I have nothing against the way you look at this. I won't try to change your mind. Some of what you've stated I would agree with.
However, tomorrow if I can find the time at the office, I will list some, lower than 8 grade, players who just recently signed with some of what everyone here would say are Top Level DI college programs.