Some players just project early, you didn't mention the LHP was 6'3" 200lbs, as a ninth grader, and could throw in the mid 80's plus.
Also these players might be going to College for academic reason's, and baseball is secondary.
Wait a minute, did I just say secondary.
Merry Chrismas Everybody
Maybe I should back to school
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This thread reminds me of why baseball is such a great game. Ya just never can be sure where ya stand. Showcasing 2010's and 2011's in California is already here. Ring the bell at 90mph and everbody luvs ya. Run 60yd under 7.0 and you get a spot. But sooner or later, early or late blooomer' you must have the package. That God given, man driven, sweat earned, fragile as an egg talent will become a baseball player.The package comes in many shapes and sizes. It won't matter what team he plays on or even how long he gets to play because he will have learned the lessons in life that baseball can teach and why were here to support this grand game.
Kind of depressing with my 06 is still on the market, but didn't produce the results in the fall that he did in the HS and Legion seasons. Good thing is, a good senior year and perhaps he can be one of the scraps that gets picked up by a D-I, otherwise, we're D-III bound (and that's not such a bad thing).
PG: Great topic and post. I learn more and more everyday about this whole "game" or "racket." I'm amazed at how very important being able to rake the ball is stressed, more so than character, defensive versatility, and raw speed. I've seen so much turnover at mid-level D-I schools that you would think that players that have "good make-up" would get shots, but ultimately, the impression I have gotten is "that if you can't jack, you ain't jack."
PG: Great topic and post. I learn more and more everyday about this whole "game" or "racket." I'm amazed at how very important being able to rake the ball is stressed, more so than character, defensive versatility, and raw speed. I've seen so much turnover at mid-level D-I schools that you would think that players that have "good make-up" would get shots, but ultimately, the impression I have gotten is "that if you can't jack, you ain't jack."
This thread is a great example of why this site is so terrific - especially for us 'rookies' out here.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Christmas everyone!
quote:Originally posted by Fungo:
JB, I do think the mail is regulated and the coach is limited as to what he can mail a player. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Fungo
Fungo,
NCAA allows a school only to mail a questionaire and a camp brochure. After July 1 of junior year, prospect can receive personal letters, media guide copies of newspaper articles, schedule card.
Key word here is camp brochure. If you are on the radar you get the brochure. I never really understood this recruiting concept until later. A player can attend camp, show off his stuff, get special attention at any age. Many coaches discover and follow recruits through their programs.
PG said something which stuck in my mind awhile back. It is important for a player to be seen early and then followed through his HS career. I agree with this 100%. But I do not feel this applies to all, so my reason for saying "be realistic".
I just can't see why a highly rated player would want to commit early, other than the fact that this was the school he wanted to play for all of his life, no other would do, and there are some out there who will not entertain any other offers, ever. Most of these kids can pick and choose.
I was wondering, does anyone know of anyone who committed very early and never went?
PG, very interesting article which rings true. (And thank you for the nice mentions of our site.)
I understand how early exposure benefits the high-level DI recruit. But as the parent of a late blooming RHP who is now a sophomore at a DIII, I'd recommend that other late bloomers or small-college prospects get to a good showcase earlier than junior year of HS also.
My son attended only one showcase, a smaller regional PG event in early spring of his junior year. It was a fun and exciting event for him, but it was also quite a wake-up call that might have been even more helpful if it came earlier. My son was lagging behind other college-hopeful pitchers his age in strength and velocity, but performed well enough on the HS level that he didn't realize how far behind he was until he was able to rub elbows with some high level prospects and make comparisons. He wasn't intimidated, but focused on a plan for improvement after that showcase in order to have a better chance to pitch beyond high school. If he had truly understood how he measured up earlier, he might have had more options for college and college baseball. (But it has worked out fine for him as he loves his DIII school and his team.)
Another benefit for our family was that mom and dad started to better understand where he fit in the spectrum of college-bound players so that we could help him target a college baseball program where he would PLAY. I remember that the day they returned from the showcase, my husband told me that if my son attended a certain college that I thought was a good option for him, he would have very little chance of seeing playing time before his junior year, based on what he saw and learned at this showcase. Almost three years later, I can see that he was correct.
I guess my point is that early "exposure" via a recognized, reputable showcase is not only valuable to the high-DI or draft prospect. For a good player who has a reasonable chance of playing in college but has little chance of being recruited based on early showcases, the experience can be very enlightening, educational, and hopefully motivational.
I understand how early exposure benefits the high-level DI recruit. But as the parent of a late blooming RHP who is now a sophomore at a DIII, I'd recommend that other late bloomers or small-college prospects get to a good showcase earlier than junior year of HS also.
My son attended only one showcase, a smaller regional PG event in early spring of his junior year. It was a fun and exciting event for him, but it was also quite a wake-up call that might have been even more helpful if it came earlier. My son was lagging behind other college-hopeful pitchers his age in strength and velocity, but performed well enough on the HS level that he didn't realize how far behind he was until he was able to rub elbows with some high level prospects and make comparisons. He wasn't intimidated, but focused on a plan for improvement after that showcase in order to have a better chance to pitch beyond high school. If he had truly understood how he measured up earlier, he might have had more options for college and college baseball. (But it has worked out fine for him as he loves his DIII school and his team.)
Another benefit for our family was that mom and dad started to better understand where he fit in the spectrum of college-bound players so that we could help him target a college baseball program where he would PLAY. I remember that the day they returned from the showcase, my husband told me that if my son attended a certain college that I thought was a good option for him, he would have very little chance of seeing playing time before his junior year, based on what he saw and learned at this showcase. Almost three years later, I can see that he was correct.
I guess my point is that early "exposure" via a recognized, reputable showcase is not only valuable to the high-DI or draft prospect. For a good player who has a reasonable chance of playing in college but has little chance of being recruited based on early showcases, the experience can be very enlightening, educational, and hopefully motivational.
quote:Another benefit for our family was that mom and dad started to better understand where he fit in the spectrum of college-bound players so that we could help him target a college baseball program where he would PLAY.
Very Good information!
I joined the forum this morning just so I could put my two cents into this topic. I have been a "lurker" for many months on this forum, just reading and learning. Great site! However, while reading this topic it touched on what I see is a problem and the problem we had with our son. I believe recruiting has changed, it is pushing or maybe parents are pushing these young men who are mostly still 17 years old to make decisions about their future when many of them hardly realize they are in their last year of high school. That is not saying there are not many who are ready to make that decision, but many, many are not. My son was not ready. Not because of maturity, but because of other commitments, he was not ready and was not able to visit every school that he wanted to look at for both academics and baseball. He was almost ready to make a decision in late Oct. when we happened to be talking to a D1 coach. In our discussion, he said how many kids call him in Spring looking for a opening in their program because they rushed into making a decision the previous November and now were not happy with the school, program, etc... That may have been BS, but it kind of made my son start to think. So with that, he said he was going to wait and notified all the schools that were recruiting him that he was going to wait until Spring.
Was that a mistake? Well we thought is was not and still don't but you have to wonder. When you start to look at all the early signings on College Baseball Insider, you wonder is there room? I guess time will tell for us.
For my son, he is a pitcher that is 6'6" and throws 88-89 last year. With the work he is doing this winter, he is hoping to be in the low 90's. I have faith in our decision and keep telling my son that if he stays healthy, it will work out for what is the best fit for him.
Was that a mistake? Well we thought is was not and still don't but you have to wonder. When you start to look at all the early signings on College Baseball Insider, you wonder is there room? I guess time will tell for us.
For my son, he is a pitcher that is 6'6" and throws 88-89 last year. With the work he is doing this winter, he is hoping to be in the low 90's. I have faith in our decision and keep telling my son that if he stays healthy, it will work out for what is the best fit for him.
Folks--
What is happening is happening but it is mainly at the top 50 programs---that leaves all the remaining D-I prograsms as well as Division II III, NAIA and JUCO-- and I also think there are many more "average" baseball players in the country than the studs which get signed by the top programs
Not too bad for the average HS baseball player to get some monetary relief for his college costs and play 4 years of solid college baseball regardless of the level--- as for going pro there are only 1500 players drafted and that may become less in coming years but the current 1500 includes HS and College players so the odds are not in the players favor thus the so called "average" player can still get a great shot at college baseball without committing early and get a great education.
What is happening is happening but it is mainly at the top 50 programs---that leaves all the remaining D-I prograsms as well as Division II III, NAIA and JUCO-- and I also think there are many more "average" baseball players in the country than the studs which get signed by the top programs
Not too bad for the average HS baseball player to get some monetary relief for his college costs and play 4 years of solid college baseball regardless of the level--- as for going pro there are only 1500 players drafted and that may become less in coming years but the current 1500 includes HS and College players so the odds are not in the players favor thus the so called "average" player can still get a great shot at college baseball without committing early and get a great education.
I think that your larger schools and programs may continue to go earlier. However, I had a well respected DII coach tell me this fall that his program and most others do not have the resources (financially or with manpower) to recruit two years ahead. Most schools just aren't going to be able to focus on a sophomore and follow that kid for three years.
Yourout - If your son was being recruited this fall, there will be others that will call this winter. In my son's experience, January was a VERY busy month receiving phone calls. Your son has plenty of time.
Yourout - If your son was being recruited this fall, there will be others that will call this winter. In my son's experience, January was a VERY busy month receiving phone calls. Your son has plenty of time.
very thought provoking stuff by PG
and, thanks Fungo - your emphasis of that point is sooo important
I have concern about a sense of frustration, desparation, and pressure that can happen during the hs years regarding, timeline, proactive marketing, showcasing, communicating with coaches, etc, if things are not going as anticipated or marketing to the wrong level
I think it's really important to keep it in perspective with your son -
whether a showcase, summer or fall tournament, etc - these are opportunities to measure yourself against other good players, sure folks are watching - so an opportunity to show your stuff as well - but again, a player can be so "pressured" about the outcome of his performance that he can't focus on executing skills
regading the importance of the soph summer - absolutly, coachs need to be at least aware of you to send recruiting letters/info beginning Sept of Jr yr
JMO
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and, thanks Fungo - your emphasis of that point is sooo important
I have concern about a sense of frustration, desparation, and pressure that can happen during the hs years regarding, timeline, proactive marketing, showcasing, communicating with coaches, etc, if things are not going as anticipated or marketing to the wrong level
I think it's really important to keep it in perspective with your son -
whether a showcase, summer or fall tournament, etc - these are opportunities to measure yourself against other good players, sure folks are watching - so an opportunity to show your stuff as well - but again, a player can be so "pressured" about the outcome of his performance that he can't focus on executing skills
regading the importance of the soph summer - absolutly, coachs need to be at least aware of you to send recruiting letters/info beginning Sept of Jr yr
JMO
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This is an outstanding thread, and the perfect example of why I view these discussions daily. PGStaff...great article, and thanks for opening the door to this discussion.
Just as each of our boys must find the school that fits at the college level, so each of them, with their families, must find the process that fits for them. There have been many great insights here to this process, and I second almost everything said here, with the possible lone exception being the assertion that the HS sophomore year is the most important. However, even that comment reinforces my potition... Each player must find a timeline and process, and take the necessary steps that will maximize HIS opportunities to take his game to the next level. It will never be the same for everyone.
"You never get a second chance to make a first impression."
I don't know who coined this phrase, but it certainly applies here. Players (or more importantly, parents) should take care that they do not get so caught up in the anxious desire to be seen and recognized that they find their name on the wrong side of the ledger in the evaluators eyes. While this has little meaning for that early-blooming, blue-chip, sure-thing stud that was easy to identify at age 15, it is very important for the boy who is still emerging, or fighting for playing opportunities (for whatever reason) as a sophomore or junior in high school. Timing, for that player, must be a consideration when setting a personal strategy for the college recruiting process.
My advice to that player is... Before you start pursuing a D1, D2, or D3, evaluate the 3D's in your own game.
Desire
How bad do you want it? What are you willing to sacrifice for your dreams? Is this, in fact, your dream, or perhaps someone else's that you are pursuing? A baseball legend from the Negro Leagues, Buck Oneil, once told my son that if you want it bad enough, it's there for you. So, again... How bad do you want it?
Determination
Fires can go out if they are not fueled and stoked from time to time. In fact, almost to a man, those who aspire to greatness in any endeavor will encounter others who would discourage their plans or efforts. While the support of family and coaches is essential to raise one's game to the highest level possible, the grit to persevere through adversity in the face of ever-heightening competition must lie within.
Devotion
Stay the course. When you're tired of practicing, stay the course. When you're missing out on some fun activity from time to time, stay the course. When you grow bored or find yourself struggling with academics, stay the course. If the dream is truly your own, and the fire is in your belly, commit yourself to success.
I am personally convinced that no greatness, however small, was ever achieved withou Desire, Determination, and Devotion.
You can't control your genes. You'll grow when you grow. You can't control your playing time. You can only work harder than everyone else on the team to win a spot in the lineup. Then, when you're ready, do everything you and your family can do to be known by college coaches. Showcases, camps, scout teams, legion ball, letters, unofficial visits... Whatever it takes.
My son, an '06, is the classic example of an unknown high school player who did what it took to land a baseball scholarship at his dream school. Though he has started only 2 games in high school, on Nov. 9 he signed his NLI to one of the top D1 programs in the country. It can be done. (...and let me add, this website was pivotal in talking me down from the ledge and leading us through the minefield on more than one occasion.)
Whether your son is facing his first high school tryouts in the coming months, or an unsigned '06, if he wants it bad enough, it's there for him.
Just as each of our boys must find the school that fits at the college level, so each of them, with their families, must find the process that fits for them. There have been many great insights here to this process, and I second almost everything said here, with the possible lone exception being the assertion that the HS sophomore year is the most important. However, even that comment reinforces my potition... Each player must find a timeline and process, and take the necessary steps that will maximize HIS opportunities to take his game to the next level. It will never be the same for everyone.
"You never get a second chance to make a first impression."
I don't know who coined this phrase, but it certainly applies here. Players (or more importantly, parents) should take care that they do not get so caught up in the anxious desire to be seen and recognized that they find their name on the wrong side of the ledger in the evaluators eyes. While this has little meaning for that early-blooming, blue-chip, sure-thing stud that was easy to identify at age 15, it is very important for the boy who is still emerging, or fighting for playing opportunities (for whatever reason) as a sophomore or junior in high school. Timing, for that player, must be a consideration when setting a personal strategy for the college recruiting process.
My advice to that player is... Before you start pursuing a D1, D2, or D3, evaluate the 3D's in your own game.
Desire
How bad do you want it? What are you willing to sacrifice for your dreams? Is this, in fact, your dream, or perhaps someone else's that you are pursuing? A baseball legend from the Negro Leagues, Buck Oneil, once told my son that if you want it bad enough, it's there for you. So, again... How bad do you want it?
Determination
Fires can go out if they are not fueled and stoked from time to time. In fact, almost to a man, those who aspire to greatness in any endeavor will encounter others who would discourage their plans or efforts. While the support of family and coaches is essential to raise one's game to the highest level possible, the grit to persevere through adversity in the face of ever-heightening competition must lie within.
Devotion
Stay the course. When you're tired of practicing, stay the course. When you're missing out on some fun activity from time to time, stay the course. When you grow bored or find yourself struggling with academics, stay the course. If the dream is truly your own, and the fire is in your belly, commit yourself to success.
I am personally convinced that no greatness, however small, was ever achieved withou Desire, Determination, and Devotion.
You can't control your genes. You'll grow when you grow. You can't control your playing time. You can only work harder than everyone else on the team to win a spot in the lineup. Then, when you're ready, do everything you and your family can do to be known by college coaches. Showcases, camps, scout teams, legion ball, letters, unofficial visits... Whatever it takes.
My son, an '06, is the classic example of an unknown high school player who did what it took to land a baseball scholarship at his dream school. Though he has started only 2 games in high school, on Nov. 9 he signed his NLI to one of the top D1 programs in the country. It can be done. (...and let me add, this website was pivotal in talking me down from the ledge and leading us through the minefield on more than one occasion.)
Whether your son is facing his first high school tryouts in the coming months, or an unsigned '06, if he wants it bad enough, it's there for him.
There have been numerous excellent posts in this thread.
FloridaHokie - That was outstanding.
justbb's description of how your thinking can become distorted when that first college interest is shown your way. How true that is. It's sort of like being in love for the first time.
Mn-Mom - The idea that showcases also allow one (i.e., parents as well) to understand better where they may fit in the larger picture.
Excellent thread overall and not just for blue chip players.
FloridaHokie - That was outstanding.
justbb's description of how your thinking can become distorted when that first college interest is shown your way. How true that is. It's sort of like being in love for the first time.
Mn-Mom - The idea that showcases also allow one (i.e., parents as well) to understand better where they may fit in the larger picture.
Excellent thread overall and not just for blue chip players.
Agree times may be changing for the well developed (6’ plus freshmen & sophomores). There are still negatives for the player though as pointed out earlier. How about from the university’s standpoint? Does the big stud have a “come down” when he is a freshman? To ensure that he doesn’t experience a “come down”, he will need to be playing against tougher and older competition at a younger age. This might be good for some. But aren’t there young players out there that have mature bodies with mental maturity that is not quite ready for all of this?
While times may be changing, it seems to me that the average players and the late bloomers should still target the summer between the junior and senior years. There are a lot of talented players (good hands, etc.) that will not be noticed until they have matured physically. An accelerated time line could end up costing parents money that would be better spent at a later time.
While times may be changing, it seems to me that the average players and the late bloomers should still target the summer between the junior and senior years. There are a lot of talented players (good hands, etc.) that will not be noticed until they have matured physically. An accelerated time line could end up costing parents money that would be better spent at a later time.
Excellent point Hookie.It really does all lie within
By next year I will be battling a guy who is 5"7 165 for the starting catching job,and from what I hear there is an 8th grader coming in who is 6''0,210. I currently stand at 5''7 159 but if I didnt have the passion and desire to play college baseball I wouldnt stand a chance.
As you said,if you want it bad enough,you can get it
By next year I will be battling a guy who is 5"7 165 for the starting catching job,and from what I hear there is an 8th grader coming in who is 6''0,210. I currently stand at 5''7 159 but if I didnt have the passion and desire to play college baseball I wouldnt stand a chance.
As you said,if you want it bad enough,you can get it
At the risk of sounding like a know-it-all.
I "KNEW" this was the place to discuss that article. You people have proven that correct.
Please understand, this is not a PG thing and it's not meant to be about PG. There could even be some incorrect information (not intentional) in that article.
The purpose was to get people to think about things other than the standard "only one way". We all know there are always many ways! Also, for what it's worth, to understand things do change.
Originally I was going to make a post in one of the threads here where recruiting was the topic. After writing for a few minutes, it became apparent that the post was going to be way too long. I really wanted some good feedback on this topic.
In the past, I have written long replies (used up some of the few remaining brain cells) only to notice not many people actually read what was written. Figured if it was going to be a long one, that I felt somewhat important, I'd post it on our site and talk about it here. Seems that turned out to be a good decision.
I think most every post made here is a real good one that parents should read and think about. I have read each one and learned a few things. Being a big believer in actual experience, there's no better place than right here.
Thanks for all the valuable thoughts. I'm eager to hear even more opinions regarding this topic.
I "KNEW" this was the place to discuss that article. You people have proven that correct.
Please understand, this is not a PG thing and it's not meant to be about PG. There could even be some incorrect information (not intentional) in that article.
The purpose was to get people to think about things other than the standard "only one way". We all know there are always many ways! Also, for what it's worth, to understand things do change.
Originally I was going to make a post in one of the threads here where recruiting was the topic. After writing for a few minutes, it became apparent that the post was going to be way too long. I really wanted some good feedback on this topic.
In the past, I have written long replies (used up some of the few remaining brain cells) only to notice not many people actually read what was written. Figured if it was going to be a long one, that I felt somewhat important, I'd post it on our site and talk about it here. Seems that turned out to be a good decision.
I think most every post made here is a real good one that parents should read and think about. I have read each one and learned a few things. Being a big believer in actual experience, there's no better place than right here.
Thanks for all the valuable thoughts. I'm eager to hear even more opinions regarding this topic.
Great posts,
Here is one other angle early commits might have to deal with. My son's favorite school had an early sign from the year before , he exploded into a high draft pick and ended up signing in the first round. we watched the situation very carefully , if he would have attended school , my son would more than likely sat till the stud was redrafted.My son had decided , if the catcher had stayed , my son would attend a different school.
The next phase we dealt with was they had brought in a JC catcher whom the expected to be drafted and leave after his Junior year. We were told upfront they were going to recruit another Freshman catcher along with my son and the best one would most likely get the job, baring the Junior returning.I loved the honesty that was presented, no promises, just the availiblity of a chance.My son felt it was the place and the oppurtunity he sought, so he committed.
Fast forward to today , the junior stayed. My son's time will be very limited , BUT, the now senior is a fantastic kid ! Has taken my son under his wing.My son says he has learned massive information about the postiton and the pitchers at this level.He wants to play , but knows his role this year and the knowledge will help him attain his goals in college.
I guess my point is even with the exhaustive reasearch we did thanks to this site, things are still always cloudy and our kids have to be ready to adapt.A Junior verbal commit will have far more things in flow than a Senior early sign commit like my son was.
Catchersdad
Here is one other angle early commits might have to deal with. My son's favorite school had an early sign from the year before , he exploded into a high draft pick and ended up signing in the first round. we watched the situation very carefully , if he would have attended school , my son would more than likely sat till the stud was redrafted.My son had decided , if the catcher had stayed , my son would attend a different school.
The next phase we dealt with was they had brought in a JC catcher whom the expected to be drafted and leave after his Junior year. We were told upfront they were going to recruit another Freshman catcher along with my son and the best one would most likely get the job, baring the Junior returning.I loved the honesty that was presented, no promises, just the availiblity of a chance.My son felt it was the place and the oppurtunity he sought, so he committed.
Fast forward to today , the junior stayed. My son's time will be very limited , BUT, the now senior is a fantastic kid ! Has taken my son under his wing.My son says he has learned massive information about the postiton and the pitchers at this level.He wants to play , but knows his role this year and the knowledge will help him attain his goals in college.
I guess my point is even with the exhaustive reasearch we did thanks to this site, things are still always cloudy and our kids have to be ready to adapt.A Junior verbal commit will have far more things in flow than a Senior early sign commit like my son was.
Catchersdad
Just a note:
I agree with bbscout, only I will add this. People need to remember it's not the event that is the most important reason for creating recruiting interest. It is always the player himself who is most responsible for that! If the player is capable, then the event can, and usually does, help! Depending on the event.
I somewhat disagree with the theory of if you don't do well at a young age, it will hurt you. I believe you can stink up the place as a freshman and become a first round pick as a senior. In fact, we have seen exactly that happen! Yes, the outstanding freshman are identified and labeled as potential prospects. However, the lesser talented should always be labeled as "freshmen". I would hate to think that some young players baseball future could be destroyed by a bad performance as a freshman.
I have heard examples mentioned on other threads of this early "tag" hurting someone in the future, but please understand, most of these examples also include a late tag as well, which is the real reason for less than desirable success.
There is no event capable of getting a bad player a scholarship. If that did happen because a coach allowed themself to be misled by someone, it would most likely happen just that one time.
The bulk of the article is about the ongoing increase of players signing during the early (Nov) signing period. I know it alluded to underclassmen giving verbals as well. While these early verbal commitments seem to be increasing and could continue increasing, I don't think that is a major issue at this time.
I agree with bbscout, only I will add this. People need to remember it's not the event that is the most important reason for creating recruiting interest. It is always the player himself who is most responsible for that! If the player is capable, then the event can, and usually does, help! Depending on the event.
I somewhat disagree with the theory of if you don't do well at a young age, it will hurt you. I believe you can stink up the place as a freshman and become a first round pick as a senior. In fact, we have seen exactly that happen! Yes, the outstanding freshman are identified and labeled as potential prospects. However, the lesser talented should always be labeled as "freshmen". I would hate to think that some young players baseball future could be destroyed by a bad performance as a freshman.
I have heard examples mentioned on other threads of this early "tag" hurting someone in the future, but please understand, most of these examples also include a late tag as well, which is the real reason for less than desirable success.
There is no event capable of getting a bad player a scholarship. If that did happen because a coach allowed themself to be misled by someone, it would most likely happen just that one time.
The bulk of the article is about the ongoing increase of players signing during the early (Nov) signing period. I know it alluded to underclassmen giving verbals as well. While these early verbal commitments seem to be increasing and could continue increasing, I don't think that is a major issue at this time.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
The bulk of the article is about the ongoing increase of players signing during the early (Nov) signing period. I know it alluded to underclassmen giving verbals as well. While these early verbal commitments seem to be increasing and could continue increasing, I don't think that is a major issue at this time.
Kind of interesting...I'll need to go back and re-read the article because the thing that JUMPED out at me was about the underclassmen commitments. The other part (November signings) doesn't bother me...but maybe the underclassmen part won't bother future parents either?
I know I have a friend who played at Stanford in the early 90's and to him, November commitments/signings are an oddity...to me its normal. Times do change...what is odd to us today will be common practice to others tomorrow.
Again, good article...very relevant and important information for everyone.
justbaseball,
I’m trying to read it again myself, but our site is down. I do know that sometimes my thoughts don't come out correctly.
Do know there is mention of underclassmen verbally committing and that is something to monitor for future increase. Guess I’m not sure if too big a deal was made about that or not.
However, the main focus was meant to be the increase, over the years, during the early signing period.
Thought the mention of 06s meaning the current senior class and 07s the junior class was clear.
The main point was to make people aware of the fact that many top colleges have basically finished recruiting the 06 (senior) class and NOW are working on the 07 class. This of course is before the 07 class has played a high school game let alone between junior and senior year.
Of course, this doesn't mean these colleges are actively “legally” recruiting 07s yet. Early signing period is nothing new as you know. What appears to be different is the number of programs that are no longer recruiting the 06 class and have started working on the 07 class. We have never noticed this nearly as much in the past.
They are getting things lined up for next year. They will use every “legal” possibility to get to know these 07s and it's before that summer after the junior year. Truth is, many top programs are preparing for the 07 recruiting class right now. Making their lists and checking them out (a little Xmas music please)
Actually what brought all this on was my previous thinking. I used to truly believe that there was a big advantage in not signing early. The way things are going, I’m not sure that would be such good advice these days.
I’m trying to read it again myself, but our site is down. I do know that sometimes my thoughts don't come out correctly.
Do know there is mention of underclassmen verbally committing and that is something to monitor for future increase. Guess I’m not sure if too big a deal was made about that or not.
However, the main focus was meant to be the increase, over the years, during the early signing period.
Thought the mention of 06s meaning the current senior class and 07s the junior class was clear.
The main point was to make people aware of the fact that many top colleges have basically finished recruiting the 06 (senior) class and NOW are working on the 07 class. This of course is before the 07 class has played a high school game let alone between junior and senior year.
Of course, this doesn't mean these colleges are actively “legally” recruiting 07s yet. Early signing period is nothing new as you know. What appears to be different is the number of programs that are no longer recruiting the 06 class and have started working on the 07 class. We have never noticed this nearly as much in the past.
They are getting things lined up for next year. They will use every “legal” possibility to get to know these 07s and it's before that summer after the junior year. Truth is, many top programs are preparing for the 07 recruiting class right now. Making their lists and checking them out (a little Xmas music please)
Actually what brought all this on was my previous thinking. I used to truly believe that there was a big advantage in not signing early. The way things are going, I’m not sure that would be such good advice these days.
I am wondering if the early signing thing (November, senior year) is more of a West Coast/Southern US thing? Actually, I think you may have said that in your article.
I'm sure your article had the focus you were shooting for...the underclassman thing has just been on my mind lately, so I am sure thats why it caught my eye more in the article.
BTW, I also enjoyed the Blaine Clemmens article on recruiting and scholarships.
I'm sure your article had the focus you were shooting for...the underclassman thing has just been on my mind lately, so I am sure thats why it caught my eye more in the article.
BTW, I also enjoyed the Blaine Clemmens article on recruiting and scholarships.
I was always under the impression that showcases were for the player to demonstrate their skills. For me, it is a necessary part of recruiting to be used as a TOOL, to help to reach goals. Attending a showcase BEFORE serious recruiting for your son begins, is a necessay part of the process. Being ready to show off those skills should definetly be a priority. Many of the talented can attend showcases early because they do have most of the necessary skills at an early age.
Do players get offers after being seen at a showcase the first time?
The D1 coach who may eventually sign your son most probably won't be there. When he begins his plan for the following year's recruiting class, he tries to gather as much information as he can before he will actually go out to see the recruit play. That's what they do and that is what they are paid big bucks for.
The top 25 are and should be getting their info gathered for 07's. Most have signed their 06's, give or take a pick up they may need in the spring, transfer or another 06. Unless there is a hidden 06 gem somewhere waiting to be discovered, for the top schools recruiting is a done deal.
I am interpreting that the changes are being seen in players being seen earlier, through showcases, tournaments, etc, not by college coaches. Also, we need to understand that information exchange has changed, via the internet, making a lot more available than before.
Do players get offers after being seen at a showcase the first time?
The D1 coach who may eventually sign your son most probably won't be there. When he begins his plan for the following year's recruiting class, he tries to gather as much information as he can before he will actually go out to see the recruit play. That's what they do and that is what they are paid big bucks for.
The top 25 are and should be getting their info gathered for 07's. Most have signed their 06's, give or take a pick up they may need in the spring, transfer or another 06. Unless there is a hidden 06 gem somewhere waiting to be discovered, for the top schools recruiting is a done deal.
I am interpreting that the changes are being seen in players being seen earlier, through showcases, tournaments, etc, not by college coaches. Also, we need to understand that information exchange has changed, via the internet, making a lot more available than before.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PGStaff:
The purpose was to get people to think about things other than the standard "only one way". We all know there are always many ways! Also, for what it's worth, to understand things do change.
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I think, in all of the outstanding posts in this thread, that parents and players need to remember this quote from PG.......there are many people, even those we consider experts, who believe that some things are necessary in getting recruited.
The only thing that is absolutely necessary is the ability to play baseball.
Showcases are not necessary, but they can help.
Letters to coaches are not necessary, but they can help.
Good grades are not necessary, but they do help.
Early exposure is not necessary, but it can help.
Playing on a high profile summer team is not necessary, but it can help.
Having HS coaches help get exposure is not necessary, but it can help.
The only necessary ingredient in all of this is talent. A talented kid with little or no exposure in front of scouts and/or college coaches can get a nice scholarship/opportunity sometimes due to luck, being in the right place at the right time, word of mouth, etc., etc.
Though things have changed......not because of college coaches, but moreso because of the path that amateur baseball has taken......the one thing that remains the same is that the talented players still get the scholarships and opportunities, just as they did years ago.
The purpose was to get people to think about things other than the standard "only one way". We all know there are always many ways! Also, for what it's worth, to understand things do change.
QUOTE]
I think, in all of the outstanding posts in this thread, that parents and players need to remember this quote from PG.......there are many people, even those we consider experts, who believe that some things are necessary in getting recruited.
The only thing that is absolutely necessary is the ability to play baseball.
Showcases are not necessary, but they can help.
Letters to coaches are not necessary, but they can help.
Good grades are not necessary, but they do help.
Early exposure is not necessary, but it can help.
Playing on a high profile summer team is not necessary, but it can help.
Having HS coaches help get exposure is not necessary, but it can help.
The only necessary ingredient in all of this is talent. A talented kid with little or no exposure in front of scouts and/or college coaches can get a nice scholarship/opportunity sometimes due to luck, being in the right place at the right time, word of mouth, etc., etc.
Though things have changed......not because of college coaches, but moreso because of the path that amateur baseball has taken......the one thing that remains the same is that the talented players still get the scholarships and opportunities, just as they did years ago.
We had a long discussion with our son about this aspect of having realistic expectations.
We decided to do what was best for his comfort which is staying local. We have no illusions, our son is lucky to get to pitch. There are so many others too.
The most realistic approach is to deal with the truth of the statement...the odds are so great against a player ever making it to the MLB
That being said then the "right" way to think about this "recruiting" business is for a player to base the decision on what would he like to do if he doesn't play baseball professionally...it is called dual track thinking.
At the forefront of your son's endeavor and effort should be his commitment to completing his education with something he actually knows how to do other then baseball, while in the background, though a large part of his identity is the commitment and dedication to achieve excellence in baseball with a goal to see how far he can go with it.
That has been our approach...but in no way should your son or the family be worrying or concerned about whether your kid is going to get to play baseball at the MLB level. That is unrealistic...why? Just to many things can happen along the way, and young people can change their interest just based upon events that happen in their lives.
JMO
The NCAA ad that says in its text, there are something like 300,000 athletes who play in college athletics and most of them will be going into something else upon graduation.
We decided to do what was best for his comfort which is staying local. We have no illusions, our son is lucky to get to pitch. There are so many others too.
The most realistic approach is to deal with the truth of the statement...the odds are so great against a player ever making it to the MLB
That being said then the "right" way to think about this "recruiting" business is for a player to base the decision on what would he like to do if he doesn't play baseball professionally...it is called dual track thinking.
At the forefront of your son's endeavor and effort should be his commitment to completing his education with something he actually knows how to do other then baseball, while in the background, though a large part of his identity is the commitment and dedication to achieve excellence in baseball with a goal to see how far he can go with it.
That has been our approach...but in no way should your son or the family be worrying or concerned about whether your kid is going to get to play baseball at the MLB level. That is unrealistic...why? Just to many things can happen along the way, and young people can change their interest just based upon events that happen in their lives.
JMO
The NCAA ad that says in its text, there are something like 300,000 athletes who play in college athletics and most of them will be going into something else upon graduation.
I'll even take PG's astute thoughts one more step. Colleges these days are REALLY pushing early admission, almost to the point that they're saying if you want financial aid, you'd better commit now. Of course, what you won't know in the fall is their official financial aid offer, since (unless you're getting a full scholarship) they can't determine that until after Jan. 1 and your filing of that year's FAFSA form.
But you're already committed.
Of course, this is not all schools. But more and more schools are locking up a high and high percentage of their classes in the fall. And a higher and higher percentage of their financial aid resources are being devoted to these commitments.
What does this mean to baseball players? While you shouldn't panic, don't expect to be able to play the waiting game very much anymore, especially if you're any kind of academic risk (anything near or below the school's average freshman credentials).
If you get a decent offer in the fall, think very hard before saying No. There's a good chance you won't get an offer that good in the spring.
But you're already committed.
Of course, this is not all schools. But more and more schools are locking up a high and high percentage of their classes in the fall. And a higher and higher percentage of their financial aid resources are being devoted to these commitments.
What does this mean to baseball players? While you shouldn't panic, don't expect to be able to play the waiting game very much anymore, especially if you're any kind of academic risk (anything near or below the school's average freshman credentials).
If you get a decent offer in the fall, think very hard before saying No. There's a good chance you won't get an offer that good in the spring.
Let’s look at this from a couple of angles. If I’m the parent of a BLUECHIP PLAYER I really don’t want to commit too early because I know there will be lots of offers coming. My son is a big lefty and we live in Georgia. Everyone knows he’s the real deal. He could go to school anywhere on a full ride. But we want to pick and choose to make sure he gets the best fit and the best deal. His stock is high and my mail box is full of college stuff. They say he might be a first rounder. I don’t want to spend any more money on showcases. I don’t need to.
I’m the parent of a GOOD player, I want to sign by the early signing period because I’m not convinced there is going to be a lot left for my son after the early signing period. We know we need to showcase and will attend the “Testing the Best Showcase” as a sophomore just to make sure it all falls into place. Yes, we would commit early if we felt it was right because we hear that is the trend. You heard about that big Lefty out of Georgia thinking about committing early didn’t you? Read it in Baseball America. I wonder how many other are doing this that we haven’t heard of?
I’m the parent of the AVERAGE player and I will commit as soon as my son has a chance because I don’t want him to be passed up. What do I need to do to make sure this happens? Is there another showcase we can go to? Does anyone know if there’s going to be another ”Testing the Best Showcase”? We want to go to the same showcase as that big lefty out of Georgia went. Think he’ll be there?
If I’m a college coach I would like for Blue chip players to commit early but I have to pass on the good to average players at this time. What our program NEEDS are blue chip players. The worse thing that could happen to me is I have committed all my scholarship money to the average and good players as sophomores and have to pass on the unsigned Bluechip player. By the way, pass the word that I would offer that big lefty out of Georgia as a sophomore if I had a chance. That kid is good!
Enjoy the ride!
Fungo
I’m the parent of a GOOD player, I want to sign by the early signing period because I’m not convinced there is going to be a lot left for my son after the early signing period. We know we need to showcase and will attend the “Testing the Best Showcase” as a sophomore just to make sure it all falls into place. Yes, we would commit early if we felt it was right because we hear that is the trend. You heard about that big Lefty out of Georgia thinking about committing early didn’t you? Read it in Baseball America. I wonder how many other are doing this that we haven’t heard of?
I’m the parent of the AVERAGE player and I will commit as soon as my son has a chance because I don’t want him to be passed up. What do I need to do to make sure this happens? Is there another showcase we can go to? Does anyone know if there’s going to be another ”Testing the Best Showcase”? We want to go to the same showcase as that big lefty out of Georgia went. Think he’ll be there?
If I’m a college coach I would like for Blue chip players to commit early but I have to pass on the good to average players at this time. What our program NEEDS are blue chip players. The worse thing that could happen to me is I have committed all my scholarship money to the average and good players as sophomores and have to pass on the unsigned Bluechip player. By the way, pass the word that I would offer that big lefty out of Georgia as a sophomore if I had a chance. That kid is good!
Enjoy the ride!
Fungo
Exactly as I see it Fungo.
Problem for me was I went from thinking son was an "AVERAGE" player to a "GOOD" player to maybe something beyond that.
When I thought he was an "AVERAGE" player and StateU-15thChoice came along, I thought that was the best it would get...almost took it. But we took a chance...then I realized he was a "GOOD" player and GlamourU-5thChoice came along and I thought, "Geez, we better take this?" Lucky my friend talked me out of it because eventually DreamU came along and I was darn glad we waited.
In retrospect, I think that StateU-15thChoice and GlamourU-5thChoice knew all along that DreamU would be there eventually and they'd better get a commitment before DreamU figured out what they already knew.
ClevelandDad said it was like your first HS girlfriend...I agree. Easy to get infatuated too early. I say wait as long as you can and gain as much information as you can.
Problem for me was I went from thinking son was an "AVERAGE" player to a "GOOD" player to maybe something beyond that.
When I thought he was an "AVERAGE" player and StateU-15thChoice came along, I thought that was the best it would get...almost took it. But we took a chance...then I realized he was a "GOOD" player and GlamourU-5thChoice came along and I thought, "Geez, we better take this?" Lucky my friend talked me out of it because eventually DreamU came along and I was darn glad we waited.
In retrospect, I think that StateU-15thChoice and GlamourU-5thChoice knew all along that DreamU would be there eventually and they'd better get a commitment before DreamU figured out what they already knew.
ClevelandDad said it was like your first HS girlfriend...I agree. Easy to get infatuated too early. I say wait as long as you can and gain as much information as you can.
Committing is just the first step on the path o playing. The team gets shook out in the fall, regardless of when each player committed.
A BLUECHIP 2005 position player from Orlando went through the process including showcasing with PG over 3 seasons, good travel team, an AFLAC team selection, East Coast Pro, etc.
He committed to Alabama very late, I believe after the draft. He was not drafted, likely due to pre-draft negotiations. PGStaff is likely very familiar with him.
He is in school and will likely take at bats from somebody who committed before him and maybe even played last year.
Committ early or late? Everyone starts classes the same day and is vulnerable to the late committing big fish bluechipper.
A BLUECHIP 2005 position player from Orlando went through the process including showcasing with PG over 3 seasons, good travel team, an AFLAC team selection, East Coast Pro, etc.
He committed to Alabama very late, I believe after the draft. He was not drafted, likely due to pre-draft negotiations. PGStaff is likely very familiar with him.
He is in school and will likely take at bats from somebody who committed before him and maybe even played last year.
Committ early or late? Everyone starts classes the same day and is vulnerable to the late committing big fish bluechipper.
This is an interesting thread, because so many on this site are dedicated to 'getting to the next level', yet there is a current of caution about the effect on the kids, themselves.
PG and other scouting services develop databases with objective, or semi-objective scores (e.g. 60 times, pitching speed, throwing scores, batting scores, etc.). Nothing wrong with that. However, a young Brooks Robinson might have been missed, because he didn't pass the most important test: The FILTER. Scouts at the next level know how to set up their own database filters, for instance eliminating any kid that cannot run the 60 in under 7.0 seconds; eliminating any RHP that does not touch 90 mph. The database approach will screen for overall baseball athleticism, for those that choose to attent the tryout, but they will miss a number of the best baseball players. It is a quantitative approach, by and large, possibly with some non-objective recommendations. I think it has a certain rationale, as a business model. But I'm not too sure it should replace boots on the ground -actual observation by scouts.
The notion that colleges/pros are eager to identfy talent at an earlier age is a rational thing. The Soviet Union and their Eastern Block puppets figured that out a long time ago. Those seven year old kids with athletic ability were selected by the state to attend acadamies dedicated to athletic excellence - eventually to the glory of the state. Given the chase for $$$, I can see how this capitalist society could arrive at the same point.
The victims of this approach are the kids and the game itself. This trend will continue until the lure of $$$ are taken out of the amature game.
PG and other scouting services develop databases with objective, or semi-objective scores (e.g. 60 times, pitching speed, throwing scores, batting scores, etc.). Nothing wrong with that. However, a young Brooks Robinson might have been missed, because he didn't pass the most important test: The FILTER. Scouts at the next level know how to set up their own database filters, for instance eliminating any kid that cannot run the 60 in under 7.0 seconds; eliminating any RHP that does not touch 90 mph. The database approach will screen for overall baseball athleticism, for those that choose to attent the tryout, but they will miss a number of the best baseball players. It is a quantitative approach, by and large, possibly with some non-objective recommendations. I think it has a certain rationale, as a business model. But I'm not too sure it should replace boots on the ground -actual observation by scouts.
The notion that colleges/pros are eager to identfy talent at an earlier age is a rational thing. The Soviet Union and their Eastern Block puppets figured that out a long time ago. Those seven year old kids with athletic ability were selected by the state to attend acadamies dedicated to athletic excellence - eventually to the glory of the state. Given the chase for $$$, I can see how this capitalist society could arrive at the same point.
The victims of this approach are the kids and the game itself. This trend will continue until the lure of $$$ are taken out of the amature game.
Great stuff.
My son knows the odds but is not giving in to the notion that he doesn't have a chance. The 4 years at school against top teams gives him an opportunity to see how far he can go. Early signing ,pro draft was never part of our goals. We purposly brought him along slowly. The college experience and the development was what we were after.
He is a confident level headed kid who believes he can pitch against anybody. If he has a bad game he never gets upset.
I know in the US people are big on early signing and all that but the ML full of guys who did not develop until later on.
I think people who jump into early signing are limiting their opportunities. If we had not got an acceptable offer from a school we wanted then my son was going on the showcase circuite and attend tryouts through the fall and spring. Several of his friends attended Area Codes, PG, beast of the East Bamba and so on. Some of these guys were drafted and some went to US colleges. My son attended 1 college showcase and was getting calls from colleges that weren't even there. Referals from coaches who knew they had no chance of signing him. These showcases are great but I didn't have the time or money to take him to Florida Georgia and all over the country and I was confident that he would get a good school with all the attributes we were looking for. I would have loved to go to these wonderfull showcases and if he had not signed we would have sat down and researched the ones that would be good for us. Because we did not go we had to work harder at promoting my son.
Why worry about early signing ? To me the issue is exploring all your opportunities. However if the dream school makes a dream offer then you can't do any better than that and you should sign in spite of the fact that it is early signing and not because of it.
My son knows the odds but is not giving in to the notion that he doesn't have a chance. The 4 years at school against top teams gives him an opportunity to see how far he can go. Early signing ,pro draft was never part of our goals. We purposly brought him along slowly. The college experience and the development was what we were after.
He is a confident level headed kid who believes he can pitch against anybody. If he has a bad game he never gets upset.
I know in the US people are big on early signing and all that but the ML full of guys who did not develop until later on.
I think people who jump into early signing are limiting their opportunities. If we had not got an acceptable offer from a school we wanted then my son was going on the showcase circuite and attend tryouts through the fall and spring. Several of his friends attended Area Codes, PG, beast of the East Bamba and so on. Some of these guys were drafted and some went to US colleges. My son attended 1 college showcase and was getting calls from colleges that weren't even there. Referals from coaches who knew they had no chance of signing him. These showcases are great but I didn't have the time or money to take him to Florida Georgia and all over the country and I was confident that he would get a good school with all the attributes we were looking for. I would have loved to go to these wonderfull showcases and if he had not signed we would have sat down and researched the ones that would be good for us. Because we did not go we had to work harder at promoting my son.
Why worry about early signing ? To me the issue is exploring all your opportunities. However if the dream school makes a dream offer then you can't do any better than that and you should sign in spite of the fact that it is early signing and not because of it.
Gilder
I asked this before \\what travel team are u a GM for?
I asked this before \\what travel team are u a GM for?
And I answered your question.
If i missed it please post it again
- - a simple thoughtquote:by PG: However, the main focus was meant to be the increase, over the years, during the early signing period.
THEN vs NOW
THEN,
college coaches had the info to identify "KEY" personell and lay a good foundation for their recruiting class in the "EARLY PERIOD"
NOW,
college coaches have so much info they can "more than fill" their recruiting class needs with
"ALL KEY" guys in the "EARLY PERIOD"
(& some actually do, by over-recruiting)
more info opportunities?? (showcases/tournaments/travel teams)
better "info providers"?? (PG, etc)
better communication?? (instant & digital)
hi-tech coaches?? (yup)
Merry Christmas
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TRhit,
I believe I answered your question immediately. I'm sure you could find it, if you tried. Just make an honest effort, and if truly cannot find it, I will spend my own time to dig it out.
I believe I answered your question immediately. I'm sure you could find it, if you tried. Just make an honest effort, and if truly cannot find it, I will spend my own time to dig it out.
My guess is that in todays game Brooks Robinson would not have been missed. In fact, one could argue there were many more players who might have been missed in Brooks Robinson's era. Today, a player really has to hide well in order to be missed.
An early day comparison to Brooks (in some ways)would be a David Wright. David Wright was not exactly Mr Tools, but he was an outstanding player and most of all an outstanding hitter! He obviously was not missed.
Some might be under rated or take longer to establish themselves, but very few are missed these days.
Strange the way these things can get off topic. This was about a possible change in college recruiting not the draft or professional baseball.
People are free to think what they want... The article was about something we have noticed. Each year, more and more of the top programs are finished recruiting even before the early signing period gets here. Not all schools, not the MLB scouts, etc., but the top programs! Take that for exactly what it's worth, no more - no less. Or ignore it all together, I've been wrong before.
Everyone's situation is different, nothing pertains to every situation or every individual. What is right for one, could be the worst possible choice for someone else. What is wrong for one, could be the greatest thing someone else ever did. For me the key is to think about things for awhile. Wish I stuck to that rule more often.
An early day comparison to Brooks (in some ways)would be a David Wright. David Wright was not exactly Mr Tools, but he was an outstanding player and most of all an outstanding hitter! He obviously was not missed.
Some might be under rated or take longer to establish themselves, but very few are missed these days.
Strange the way these things can get off topic. This was about a possible change in college recruiting not the draft or professional baseball.
People are free to think what they want... The article was about something we have noticed. Each year, more and more of the top programs are finished recruiting even before the early signing period gets here. Not all schools, not the MLB scouts, etc., but the top programs! Take that for exactly what it's worth, no more - no less. Or ignore it all together, I've been wrong before.
Everyone's situation is different, nothing pertains to every situation or every individual. What is right for one, could be the worst possible choice for someone else. What is wrong for one, could be the greatest thing someone else ever did. For me the key is to think about things for awhile. Wish I stuck to that rule more often.
quote:Everyone's situation is different, nothing pertains to every situation or every individual. What is right for one, could be the worst possible choice for someone else. What is wrong for one, could be the greatest thing someone else ever did. For me the key is to think about things for awhile. Wish I stuck to that rule more often.
...which is what makes this site so valuable!
Actually, I could well see how Brooks could have been missed, based on the current model.
Here's what I have observed: A scouting service guy is busy taking various measurements, based on just a few tries, prior to the beginning of a tournament. All these measurements go into his database. Then he advises the scouts at the tournament to keep their eyes on the top database guys. I would say that Brooks would not have been on the radar screen at that tournament. Brooks would need to come up under the old system: The buzz created by the local leagues, via the coaches, umpires, scouts, etc.
There was a local kid, in my area, a couple of years ago, that was one of the best baseball athletes - it only took a quick look at him to figure that out. He didn't go to showcases. He got very little notice. I asked a local scout about him, and he said he had not heard of him (even though he was only about five miles away!), and that he would need to attend a showcase in order to get seen. This kid was recognized, at the last moment, based on some local chatter that could not be denied. He is now a starter in a D1 program.
I would prefer the chatter, instead of the database model, so that the best players are not missed.
Here's what I have observed: A scouting service guy is busy taking various measurements, based on just a few tries, prior to the beginning of a tournament. All these measurements go into his database. Then he advises the scouts at the tournament to keep their eyes on the top database guys. I would say that Brooks would not have been on the radar screen at that tournament. Brooks would need to come up under the old system: The buzz created by the local leagues, via the coaches, umpires, scouts, etc.
There was a local kid, in my area, a couple of years ago, that was one of the best baseball athletes - it only took a quick look at him to figure that out. He didn't go to showcases. He got very little notice. I asked a local scout about him, and he said he had not heard of him (even though he was only about five miles away!), and that he would need to attend a showcase in order to get seen. This kid was recognized, at the last moment, based on some local chatter that could not be denied. He is now a starter in a D1 program.
I would prefer the chatter, instead of the database model, so that the best players are not missed.
Glider,
If they found David Eckstein during this era, why would Brooks Robinson have been missed in this era?
Not to stray too far from the original topic.
What you're talking about was the era I grew up in.
I'm not positive about much, but one thing I'm absolutely certain about is that the more information you have... the better the decisions you make.
We have over 20 of the 30 MLB scouting directors on our scouting committee. To a man they will tell you they prefer as much information as they can possibly get. That includes database info, video, reports, makeup opinions, etc. and any other information they can get.
Not once have I heard any interest in the desire for "chatter". But, I suppose even chatter is important.
If they found David Eckstein during this era, why would Brooks Robinson have been missed in this era?
Not to stray too far from the original topic.
What you're talking about was the era I grew up in.
I'm not positive about much, but one thing I'm absolutely certain about is that the more information you have... the better the decisions you make.
We have over 20 of the 30 MLB scouting directors on our scouting committee. To a man they will tell you they prefer as much information as they can possibly get. That includes database info, video, reports, makeup opinions, etc. and any other information they can get.
Not once have I heard any interest in the desire for "chatter". But, I suppose even chatter is important.