Great round table with Wake, S FL and TN. Really good information. No reason to panic, but recruiting will slow down, video is HUGE, camps are going to be huge.
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Great video. Thanks for posting. I've talked to a few travel teams that are forming their own round robin tournaments and streaming them for coaches. Something to get the kids some action until the tournaments get going again.
Good stuff right from the horses mouth. Great reminder Eokerholm!
With the dead period extended, it would appear video and regionalization will be "king" this summer. As much as I hate to say it, social media will fill a need and have a much higher purpose.
@fenwaysouth posted:
Good stuff right from the horses mouth. Great reminder Eokerholm!
With the dead period extended, it would appear video and regionalization will be "king" this summer. As much as I hate to say it, social media will fill a need and have a much higher purpose.
Curious about how you think this will impact IVY's, which typically require full national recruiting given their stringent academic thresholds.
Wechson,
So, my initial thoughts are the Ivys are somwhat blessed with having a later recruiting schedule than most D1 mid-majors who they compete against and certainly the P5 schools. Their challenge is the national travel required to fill roster positions...typically they have a lot of West coast kids on their rosters. When the dead period is lifted there is going to be a flurry of activity, and some quick decisions made....kind of like that HGTV series "House in a Hurry" where they buy a house in 72 hours. So, I think it is going to be up to the recruit to have all their academic ducks in a row and try to grab their attention right now with video, social media and written referrals from any local scouts, high school, Legion and travel coaches. I'd want to know where those recruiting and HC are going to be Aug 1 so I could get in front of them ASAP. I'd also be flexible for a trip to their campus for any ad-hoc scheduled follow up camps.
Certainly there is going to be a slight advantage for an East coast kid who has the academics and athletic skills for no other reason than he is closer, and time is an issue.
Again, just my initial thoughts.
@Wechson posted:Curious about how you think this will impact IVY's, which typically require full national recruiting given their stringent academic thresholds.
I guess Yale got tired of waiting. They have five 2021s listed on PBR now. Princeton has two, and Harvard has one.
Kudos to Josh Rudd and Quarantine Coaches series!
So I've done a search but didn't seem to be able to find the original post. Along the lines of "quarantine coaches" someone posted a link to a video of a group of coaches on a zoom call (about 9 of them?) shortly after quarantine started. I meant to save the link because there was some great information/insight but of course didn't 
anyone remember what I'm talking about?
@LousyLefty posted:So I've done a search but didn't seem to be able to find the original post. Along the lines of "quarantine coaches" someone posted a link to a video of a group of coaches on a zoom call (about 9 of them?) shortly after quarantine started. I meant to save the link because there was some great information/insight but of course didn't
@MidAtlanticDad posted:
The one I'm thinking of wasn't one of one interviews. It had around 9-12 coaches. Had a coaches from the W and E coast. I'll admit I put it on the computer but listened and didn't watch, so I don't remember where most of them were from.
@MidAtlanticDad posted:I guess Yale got tired of waiting. They have five 2021s listed on PBR now. Princeton has two, and Harvard has one.
This is just my personal pet theory, but I think coaches are realizing that they aren't going to get a lot more information with which to make a decision, so they are going ahead and pulling the trigger on the kids they already know they like.
@LuckyCat posted:This is just my personal pet theory, but I think coaches are realizing that they aren't going to get a lot more information with which to make a decision, so they are going ahead and pulling the trigger on the kids they already know they like.
I think that's right, but it does seem like a fair amount of those commits are from the West Coast. Meaning that knowing they won't be able to go on West Coast recruitment trips prior to August, and maybe even later (given so many East Coast based camps at that time), why not lock in the West Coast prospects and then focus on the East Coast prospects where there will be a bit more time to evaluate.
@LousyLefty posted:The one I'm thinking of wasn't one of one interviews. It had around 9-12 coaches. Had a coaches from the W and E coast. I'll admit I put it on the computer but listened and didn't watch, so I don't remember where most of them were from.
Maybe this one?
I thought it was interesting how they mentioned "accurate" info several times. Do they usually get a lot of inflated data? I see a lot of 2023's my son plays with who have very high PG ratings listed at 5'10"+ and there is no way they are that tall. Most of them would be lucky to be 5'7" with spikes on.
I noticed the accurate information comments, too, and wondered exactly what they meant. Does that mean, get to a PG or PBR showcase, if possible?
ETA: We've avoided these so far, but perhaps we just need to shell out the money.
@TerribleBPthrower posted:I thought it was interesting how they mentioned "accurate" info several times. Do they usually get a lot of inflated data? I see a lot of 2023's my son plays with who have very high PG ratings listed at 5'10"+ and there is no way they are that tall. Most of them would be lucky to be 5'7" with spikes on.
Check out Mookie Betts' PG profile!
@anotherparent posted:Check out Mookie Betts' PG profile!
I couldn't help but notice that the PG profile for the 2021 SS committing to Yale lists his height at 5'7. Just shows to go ya that no kid should get discouraged just because of his height.
Here’s a new development. All of the big Conference Commissioners sent a letter to Congress asking for a national NLI standard
@LuckyCat posted:I couldn't help but notice that the PG profile for the 2021 SS committing to Yale lists his height at 5'7. Just shows to go ya that no kid should get discouraged just because of his height.
There have been MANY 5'7" Ivy Leaguers who were flat out ballers. Almost all that come to memory were up the middle, and extremely quick & fast.. One in particular that I remember (2nd baseman) was fast and powerful but had a marginal glove. This guy (5'5" in cleats) could hit HRs from the left side if the pitcher made a mistake.
@Wechson posted:Here’s a new development. All of the big Conference Commissioners sent a letter to Congress asking for a national NLI standard
Shhh, if you are very quiet, you can hear college coaches, A.D.s, and presidents panicking. The P5 along with the NCAA recognizes (and fears) the implication the recent Ninth court of appeals ruling has. It will be a transfer of power to the elite football and basketball athletes. The athletes don't know it yet, but when agents are able to get a hold of them, they will.
Think of the implications, Zion Williamson would likely still be at Duke. He is more valuable to Nike there (in college) than he is in the NBA. He and Coach K would have the same major employer.
Trevor Lawrence would spend two more years at Clemson, and Justin Fields two more at Ohio State, because they are worth more there. UGA wouldn't be able to stock pile a bunch of 5-star RBs because they would cost too much.
Even NCAA baseball might become something people follow more. Elite NCAA baseball players could develop an identity and a following.
Great Roundtable discussion. I learned alot. Being new to all this , i've got a lot to learn, but i think i've got time as my son is 13(going into 8th grade). Any advice on how the best video is produced and distributed? By phone, email, professionally produced,youtube,etc.?
@Wechson posted:Here’s a new development. All of the big Conference Commissioners sent a letter to Congress asking for a national NLI standard
Ah yes, let's urge Congress to weigh in on whether a 19 year old point guard with a 2.1 GPA should be able to get an endorsement deal with Burger King or not.
Translation - let's have Congress decide on the standard, that way when the athletes claim they're oppressed and not getting what they're entitled to it can just be pinned on the government.
I don't know what's worse. Asking for federal legislation on college athletics or pretending this isn't part of absolving blame for when this goes haywire.
This is not a political issue, this is a ~ is this really what it's coming to ~ issue. Do Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell really need to have a say in this?
Analytics will also become a tool used by coaches. It is happening in professional baseball. There is no need to recruit or scout players by just watching games and will limit the amount of games attended and travel needed. As in the past HC/RC will first look at the physical metrics. Second they will analyze the bat speed, spin rate, velocity and the other measurables. Once their criteria is met they will then make the trip to watch a player to pass the eye test. Like one of the coaches mentioned in the video with Rudd, projecting a talent is very hard to do.
@JABMK posted:Analytics will also become a tool used by coaches. It is happening in professional baseball. There is no need to recruit or scout players by just watching games and will limit the amount of games attended and travel needed. As in the past HC/RC will first look at the physical metrics. Second they will analyze the bat speed, spin rate, velocity and the other measurables. Once their criteria is met they will then make the trip to watch a player to pass the eye test. Like one of the coaches mentioned in the video with Rudd, projecting a talent is very hard to do.
Was that the interview with Monte Lee? Monte knows his stuff about hitters. I especially liked what he said about taking video starting at sophmore year.
Pitching coach gave excellent advice as well. 
Don't let coaches not being at games let you think recruiting isn't taking place!
Monte also spoke about coaches "ghosting". And Kopp about what to send in an email.
Here is the collection from Rudd. Sooo good. (new baseball model, dead period, recruiting, etc.)
@Eokerholm posted:Here is the collection from Rudd. Sooo good. (new baseball model, dead period, recruiting, etc.)
It's a great series in general, and kudos to Rudd for making something out of nothing. Certainly some videos have been more impactful that others, and I'd say the Clemson/FAU is amongst those. Some very specific, tactical information provide for items like video, emails, etc. Worth watching.
We got to play this week in Florida. 12 teams in our division. Completely normal baseball. One ump wore a mask. Kids in dugouts, high fives, looked like any weekend last year. By the time we got home from our first game, my son’s future coach (who didn’t know he was playing), had already gotten video from a friend who was there. There were lots of juco coaches at the facilities and I guess there are eyes everywhere.
Anyone else noticing an influx of commits from the 2023 and 2022 classes? I had noticed a handful coming out of our area and saw some more on social media from some of the organizations I follow. Went on the PG commitment page today and it looks like there is definitely an increase in postings. Seems like even though coaches aren't able to get out and recruit, offers are being,
Lots of 22, 23s, and even 24s (WTH?).....They've probably already seen or talked to these guys before and/or travel coach calls the kid to call the coach type conversation. I just don't see the 24s making any sense, even the 23s signing seems odd to me..... There was no spring season so basically the 23s and 24s have never touched a varsity field or seen District play...... mind boggling....
My son's school has committed 5 in the last week and a half, two weeks.
@Eokerholm posted:Lots of 22, 23s, and even 24s (WTH?).....They've probably already seen or talked to these guys before and/or travel coach calls the kid to call the coach type conversation. I just don't see the 24s making any sense, even the 23s signing seems odd to me..... There was no spring season so basically the 23s and 24s have never touched a varsity field or seen District play...... mind boggling....
I would say that some of the 23's were on radars via showcases and camps. 24's on radars via showcases. But there are some 23's who saw some games this year depending on where you live. Our varsity team got in 17 games before the season got shut down. My son, a 2023, had committed before the season started and that was based on showcases and camps he went to in the fall. I think many coaches are taking the showcase and past camps approach this summer in extending offers.
Congrats to you and your family. Good for him. Now the work starts! 
To me still seems early to sign a 23 before varsity season district play or freshman summer/showcase or a 24 before high school given the clogged pipe of players with extra year options for the next 4 years....
Not hijacking, as I know there is another thread on this....How do you project a 13-14 year old?
@Eokerholm posted:Congrats to you and your family. Good for him. Now the work starts!
To me still seems early to sign a 23 before varsity season district play or freshman summer/showcase or a 24 before high school given the clogged pipe of players with extra year options for the next 4 years....
Not hijacking, as I know there is another thread on this....How do you project a 13-14 year old?
From those I have seen recruited, they are early developers (my 2024 is still waiting on his voice changing), and can throw in the 80s as a pitcher. They are often the best or one of the best players in the region. We are not talking about regular kids here.
If the kid is playing against top level competition in the travel circuit, coaches do not care that they have stepped on a varsity field or that they ever step on a varsity field. Top level kids are not recruited from HS. I don't know that other than 1-2, a college coach ever watched my kid play HS. He was offered to a high level mid-major before he ever stepped into HS. He was offered at several P5's during the fall of his freshman year. Coaches are not concerned with what you do in HS if you are playing top level travel ball and especially if they are, like my son, playing up. Mine played in the 18U, 17U, 16U, and 15U WWBA when he was 14 and in between 8th and 9th grade. Pitched shutout for 6 innings against the winner of the 17U and pitched 2 innings of no hit against the 18U winner and pitched 2 games in 15U that finished 3rd. They saw all they needed to see that he could compete in HS. Which was a breeze compared to his summer and fall schedules. So, it all depends on who you are playing with and who you are playing against at 13-14 for them to know. If the kid is throwing 85 plus at 14 then it is a no brainer that he will get better to most coaches. If he doesn't they just don't send an NLI in the new era. They are offering and it is up to the kid to continue to get better.
Agreed. As you know PF your son is not the norm and an outlier. Wonderful to be seen at the right event, at the right time, by the right coaches, while you're kicking butt and dealing across multiple events. The outliers are the ones playing up, on the circuit, and getting the offers crazy earl, again NOT the norm.
The norm was and is not for freshman to be committing and isn't a "bad thing" if they aren't committed as a Freshman. PLENTY of time. Trying to settle a parent who shared concern with being behind vs my kid is an outlier, where is the love, etc.
Everyone is on a different timeframe. Some have seen campuses, been to camps, talked to coaches and you'll only increase your stress levels and hairloss by trying to compare yourself to the outliers. Same goes for your son. Control what you can control. Training, sleep, nutrition, athleticism, etc.
There is a thread on camps and reviews, forget where it is. Worth to see the campus, facilities and see coaches in action. Might not be the same person you see interviewed on ESPN or quoted in an article. How organized are they. How do they talk with players, staff, etc. Lots to look at and consider.
I think it's weird to recruit middle schoolers. Some of those kids are three years away from drivers ed and you're asking them to come to your college. That being said the 8th graders you see committing now are 6'1 and hit homers on the big field like it's nothing or they throw 86. PG is showing our first 2024 commit this week.
Offering an 8th grader is one thing. Being a parent and letting your 13 year old commit is another and I think it's pretty irresponsible.
@Eokerholm posted:Agreed. As you know PF your son is not the norm and an outlier. Wonderful to be seen at the right event, at the right time, by the right coaches, while you're kicking butt and dealing across multiple events. The outliers are the ones playing up, on the circuit, and getting the offers crazy earl, again NOT the norm.
The norm was and is not for freshman to be committing and isn't a "bad thing" if they aren't committed as a Freshman. PLENTY of time. Trying to settle a parent who shared concern with being behind vs my kid is an outlier, where is the love, etc.
Everyone is on a different timeframe. Some have seen campuses, been to camps, talked to coaches and you'll only increase your stress levels and hairloss by trying to compare yourself to the outliers. Same goes for your son. Control what you can control. Training, sleep, nutrition, athleticism, etc.
There is a thread on camps and reviews, forget where it is. Worth to see the campus, facilities and see coaches in action. Might not be the same person you see interviewed on ESPN or quoted in an article. How organized are they. How do they talk with players, staff, etc. Lots to look at and consider.
You are right. I apologize. This is not the norm. I sometimes forget that my son was blessed because he had great stuff even if he didn't have the velo. I will say my son received several offers that were very good including a couple of full rides at P5's but still not what he was looking for. He held out for what he wanted. I still suggest that a player holds out for what they want if it is within reason. The crazy thing is my son was never stressing and I was the one stressing because he had not gotten the offer he wanted. When he got it, he still wondered if there was something better out there. He wondered if a top SEC would pull the trigger but UT was the best fit for him. They had very little LHP's, a great HC who personally recruited him, and a phenomenal pitching coach. Plus they were willing to let him try to do 2 way. He wanted to play with the best and against the best. That is vital. We say all the time to know the pond you should be in. That is the toughest part is knowing it, reaching it, then saying yes.
I'd be curious to track a list of top 100 prospects as HS Freshman and follow to see how many become actual, quality D1 players. To me there are just so many factors that can change between demonstrated physical ability at a younger age, and Freshman year in college. Eg maybe the physical strength advantage at a younger age translates to injury prevalence when they get a few yers older. How are they going to mature mentally? These are just two not insignificant factors that would clearly be easier to assess Junior year than Freshman year. Plus the pressure for a kid to make a decision about his future that early when he clearly has no idea what kind of college experience he'll want to have years later. Just seems like a lot more room for error than success for both the program and the athlete.
It's interesting. I know that the same names we heard as top players freshman/sophomore year are still the names we here heading to top colleges this year. Some have been eclipsed along the way by other players, but most didn't completely fall off. Jared Kelley, Drew Romo, Masyn Winn, lots of others, were the kids getting invited to the bigger showcases early on and they are in the draft mix this year. Will they pan out in college or in the draft, who knows. Would be interesting to follow. By the same token, I sat next to one of the first round picks' parent last year at the National and she was talking about a new kid that no one had heard of that was going to be the new number one ranked player. I had never heard his name. He was drafted last night too.
@baseballhs posted:It's interesting. I know that the same names we heard as top players freshman/sophomore year are still the names we here heading to top colleges this year. Some have been eclipsed along the way by other players, but most didn't completely fall off. Jared Kelley, Drew Romo, Masyn Winn, lots of others, were the kids getting invited to the bigger showcases early on and they are in the draft mix this year. Will they pan out in college or in the draft, who knows. Would be interesting to follow. By the same token, I sat next to one of the first round picks' parent last year at the National and she was talking about a new kid that no one had heard of that was going to be the new number one ranked player. I had never heard his name. He was drafted last night too.
Well the kid from New Mexico was a walk on, and was then selected 7th in the draft. So you never know.