Selfish

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A position that a player plays in High School may not be the one that a college sees him playing at, and change it from what he played in high school. And the same with the progression into the MiLB & MLB. Take Tampa Bay Rays player - Ben Zobrist, he has played every position for the Ray's except as a Catcher, I believe. And that makes him a big asset. Our 2013 has played every position growing up. And can play them equally well. He became a Pitcher out of team necessity.  And became very good at it. Before that, he played at SS. Now he rotates between CF and P. But, the Coaches know that if the need warrants it,  that they can depend on him getting the job done for the team , wherever they may need to play him. So, look at it as a positive.  Look at it as like it shows the Coach has faith in Himalayans in more than one position.  While other players may not offer that flexibility. JMO

My 2015 is our number two starter.  He also plays middle infield, corner infield and all outfield positions.  Coaches now also have him catching all JV games, which he loves.  They plan to use him as a varsity catcher next year.  Told him catching is the last piece of his puzzle.  Said he is their only player that they feel completely comfortable putting in any position.  I've heard that a good utility player is very valuable and also that their hs position may not be at all where a college coach sees them playing.  He loves being versatile.  Being a pitcher and a catcher is not my ideal, but he's the player and I'm not going to tell him not to do it. They have always been careful not to abuse his arm. 

I think most every coach will want to put the best 9 on the field (and in the lineup) to win the game.  Be grateful if you are one of those 9 in the lineup.

 

If this is your high school team, sometimes the coach has to juggle who can go where to best fit the need for that day's game, depending on who is catching/pitching/sick/other.

 

If this is your travel team, maybe you could find a team that needs your "best position" more than the current team.

 

But I fail to see where it is selfish for a coach to juggle players on a team to get a win. 

 

Shelby is very correct in that it makes you an asset if you can play more than one position. 

 

....you didn't mention it, but, if the coach is a dad putting his son in your "best position", that is a whole other story I could go into.  

Shelby has made a great point that where a player is in high school may not be where they play at the next level.  College and pro scouts look for the five tools a player may have - 1. Foot speed, 2. Glove, 3. Hit for Power, 4. Hit for Average and 5. Arm strength.  There is a "sixth" tool that can play a part of the choice to pick one player over another - that is baseball knowledge.  Knowing what to do on the field at the right time.  You can tell they know what to do without having to think about it. The next level is looking for these things.  They are not looking for the best shortstop and the best second baseman - they are looking for the best baseball players and athletes.

 

There's an old saying that the majority of players in college are former high school shortstops.  Typically your best athletes / players play shortstop in high school so when they get to the next level they have to move somewhere else or be stuck behind a better shortstop.  Another factor on a player's behalf is flexibility to play several positions at least competently. You don't gain that flexibility only playing one position.

 

There's also the youth factor when it comes to getting on the field quicker.  You have a talented freshman who wants to be a third baseman but there is a senior in front of him who is an absolute stud.  Which is more beneficial to both the player and the team - leaving the freshman on the bench behind the stud or moving him to another position?  When they can play you find them a spot somewhere.

 

When you join a team you are agreeing to take a spot on a roster that the main goal is to do everything in your power to win.  That's not being selfish because what's the point in playing if it's not to win?  There are showcase teams in the summer geared towards displaying talent at a primary position and winning is not as important.  All high school teams are competing to win a state championship or some sort of lower level championship such as a conference or district or region championship.  Obviously there are teams that are not in contention from day one but the hope is still there for the vast majority.  You don't compete for these championships unless you put your best 9 baseball players on the field.  That's not being selfish on the team's part - that's upholding the understanding that you compete.

 

A team can be selfish with things like a coach won't help promote players or help develop.  But it's not selfish of a team to put a player where it's not their primary position.  It's about competition and doing the best to win.

YES, I like all the answers, but…

 

He is not a super athletic player, 2016 HS grad who has 7.1-60, 84-fb, but does one thing very well, very fast catcher release.  Because he has an 84-fb, he will not catch and instead will become a fulltime pitcher and as a result will not bat and will not catch.

How good of a hitter is he as compared to the rest of the team?  If he has an 84 MPH fastball then he will be the number one pitcher on the vast majority of high school teams.  If he can hit I'm sure the coach will find a spot for him in the lineup - he would be crazy not to.

 

If he wants to play at the next level he needs to bring more to the table than just a fast release as a catcher.  I'm going to guess his pop time is around a 2.1 and while that's not bad there are a lot more who have better. 

 

If your son wants to play in college he needs to keep working hard no matter how good he is.  But being a pitcher only on his high school team will not destroy his chances to go to the next level.  Make sure he's on a summer / fall team where he can catch.  Make sure he attends camps / showcases where the schools he is interested in are going to be there.  This way the people who need to see him are going to see him.

 

Probably the most important thing is you and your son need to get an honest evaluation of his talent each year to measure ability and progress.  Don't shoot for D-I when you only have D-III talent because you probably won't end up anywhere playing.

He can hit.

 

84 is not starting varsity on our team, but it is good for a 2016.  We got 3 that touch 90. And 2 more that break 86 on varsity.

 

They want to dedicate him and stretch his throwing motion out away from the quick release and into the longer pitcher motion.  I assume that will gain a couple tics on the gun?

 

His non-game pop is 1.8 recorded by many different clocks.  Game time pop varies around 1.9, depending on where the pitch location is.

So, you have five varsity P's that are throwing 86 or better and three are touching 90.  Wow, what HS is that?

1.8 pop for a 2016 would be at the tops in the nation, very few highschool seniors throw that. If he throws like that and can block the starting catcher must be dropping some serious bombs.

Yes our HS is very good and very deep, but all of those throwers are seniors except one and they need to reload with more throwers.  Yes, those top three kids are going places.

 

At a recent Showcase he threw 1.9 on their clock and 1.8 on mine.  Our coaches have him 1.8 also, but I have to admit the inherent inaccuracies with pops.  I'd like to invent a thingamajig to automatically measure these exchanges, maybe better showcases have them???

 

Never the less he's not a superstar, I've been told by the HS coaches that the pop time is phenomenal, but it won't win ballgames.  Getting him to stretch his arm out and throw with more velocity and improve his inherent pitching abilities will win ballgames.  What bugs me is that a college coach clocked him during a travel team thing and said wow, that's fast, real fast.

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If what you state is true than these coaches know how to develop pitchers so why would you think this is selfish.  They might be doing you a huge favor.  They also realize that catching and pitching together usually isn't healthy and I would respect that. 
Continue to catch and hit on your summer teams.  Keep in mind that on a college roster there are 15-16 pitchers and 2-3 catchers one of which will get most at bats and not because of his quick release.  So the future is always brighter if one can pitch.  FWIW in pro ball many catchers are converted to pitchers.  Mostly because their arm is better than their bat. 
If you are a player keep in mind that as you move forward that there is and never will be an I in team and sacrificing one position for another has nothing to do with heroics of those you mentioned above. Also things change, catcher today, pitcher tomorrow and vice versa.  Do as told with a smile on your face and always think of ways you can help your team to win.

Also, in the word student-athlete, student comes before the word athlete. As a 2016 grad your primary goal should be to do well in school and hopefully the baseball stuff will help to pay for your education.  If you are the players parent you should encourage that philosophy continually year after year.

I want to thank everyone thus far for helping.  I've been told lots of things, but I have never been told catchers are commonly coverted to pitchers in the pros???

He's got a lot of high quality experience, and when he catches he stands out from the croud.  He's good at other stuff, but does not turn an East Cobb head until he gets behind the plate.

Everything revolves around pitching at our HS and that disapoints me because his catching does not have significant value in HS baseball.  Truth be told, there's not a lot of "Ricky Hendersons" to make his pops valuable to the HS.

Because he's not 6'5" throwing 90, pitching will not get him to where he wants to go.  Pitching will produce some HS wins, but will not land him on Div1.  That college coach (above) was Div1.

Yes, catchers with strong arms who can't hit get second chances.  Jason Motte, NL saves leader was a catcher and was the closer for the 2011 WC STL Cardinals, now  to undergo TJS.  Many here are familiar with the name Robert Stock, a young phenom who scouts wanted to draft out of HS as a pitcher but he wanted to be a catcher. He was drafted after playing the catcher position in college by STL. By all accounts he was a pretty good receiver with a very strong accurate arm, not sure of his pop time, but after a few years of miserable batting averages he is back to pitching. I heard he was not happy, but he didn't have any say in the situation either. I could name more but it doesn't matter.

 

I agree with the coaches, pop time doesn't win ball games on this level. If that is your best attribute at this point and time, pitching sounds like a good opportunity.

 

Everything in the upper levels for most programs (college and pro) revolves around pitching.  Good pitching wins ball games, superior pitching wins championships and by the time the player reaches HS, the goal should become about winning and developing players to their best potential for possible college opportunities. Many HS coaches cannot do that, so embrace the opportunity.

 

Again, take advantage of summer and fall if you want to play another position if those teams allow.  Take batting practice with the team. 

 

Not sure what type of high quality experience you speak of, but the way I look at it once a player enters HS, it's a whole new ballgame. Over a 4 year period many things change, sometimes for the better sometimes not. 

 

 BTW, pitchers do not have to be 6'5" and throw 90 to get a scholarship at the D1 level.

 

Start paying a bit more attention to college baseball, it will really give you a better idea of expectations for players.

 

 

My 2016 is in the same exact position but guess he looks at it totally differently. He feels pitching in spring and catching in summer is best of both worlds.  He has tried to do both simultaneously coming up in youth ball and frankly led to lots of arm issues as I did not step in and control it. 

 

I have been told by his summer coaches not to worry about it as it all works out over time. Some college coaches will like him as a pitcher some may like him as a catcher.

 

Mine touches 81-82. Wants to pitch in college but what if velocity never comes so he continues to work on his hitting and catching. He even played SS on his JV team this year which as his parents we found funny as never not once did he play there before. He had a blast and his summer team's director loved it as it shows he is athletic enough to do it. 

 

I say go with the flow. Be thankful your son has some tools. Encourage him to bust it no matter where and when and I would bet money it all becomes clearer in the next couple of years and it all works out.  

It's called a team for a reason. So the coach should put every player at the position "they" or their "parents" feel is best for them? What happens when you have 3 catchers, 5 mif's and 5 cf's? Who plays the corners? Your worried about where your son projects at the next level. The coach is coaching a team.

In the summer and fall he can catch. Is 4 monts of HS ball going to destroy his ability to reach his potential? What happens if your son is good enough to play in college and they move him? Are you going to call his college coach selfish? Your son plays where the coach feels he helps the team the most. Where, when and how they decide. It's not up to you.

When my sons best friend was recruited by NC State as a corner inf of he was excited about getting a chance to play the positions he had always played. When they moved him to catcher he was excited about getting on the field. When he was named 1st team ACC and drafted in the 3 rd round by the Dodgers as a catcher he was happy for the move.

Your not the coach. It's not your call. If your is a player he will find his place. Unless you come to grips with that your going to have a tough time while your son is playing this game. There are a bunch of guys that work their butts off and never see the field. Be happy when yours does. No matter where it is.

Brick ... My son was an all conference shortstop soph year. When practice started junior year the coach told him he would play short or center depending on which player coming up from JV proved himself. My son started the season at short and moved to center the third week. He had always been a shortstop in school ball. His willingness to move got another bat in the lineup. The "TEAM" won their conference by one game. He plays outfield in college.

 

When I was putting together a 13U team there was a player my son told me I should recruit. I told my son he wouldn't play short if I recruit the kid. My son said be would play LF and bat last if I could find eight players better than he. He's always had this attitude. It's the right attitude at every level.

My 2015 played on freshman team at prep school last year. he moved back to local HS, missed his friends. He pitches and plays OF. He is starting on V as soph. HS VC told him he was needed to play at 1B to help the team and would be a relief pitcher (even though he has the the best pitching stats on the team). Coach gives starting pitching to upperclassmen. I wasn't sure how he'd react to that, but he showed incredible maturity when he said to me, "I'm cool with it, hey I'm a sophomore and am starting on varsity. I don't care where I play - I'm just happy to be starting and playing in every game!"

 

Long story short, he is having a great season and is a major contributor to the team.  Coach loves him and I couldn't be prouder of him!

The Buster Posey story seems pertinent in this discussion.

 

He was a High School All American as a pitcher/shortstop. He went to Florida State and was a freshman All American at Shortstop. The following year they converted him to catcher. Then he was drafted in the first round. 

 

Now he is playing for the defending World Champions and he was the league MVP last year. Guess you would have to say, that change in position during his sophomore year in college, didn't hurt him at all and it sure did help the Giants!

I believe Posey volunteered to move to catcher. Delmonico was fired as head coach at Tennessee. He was friends with Martin and became an assistant at FSU. Delmonico's son was an all conference SEC shortstop. He transferred to FSU with his dad. FSU needed a catcher. Posey volunteered to move positions. 

Yes to all and thank you.

 

The only corrections I could offer are the following:

- Yes, I am familiar with SS becoming catcher

- Yes, I'm aware pitchers are in high demand and they're needed more

- Yes, I know there's a team

- However, his particular attributes fit him into a very good catcher, but lacking a great deal with other positions

- Perhaps a 3rd baseman, but then he loses some of his best abilities and highlights other weaknesses that are hidden while playing catcher

- Pitcher, yeah he might pitch at D3?

- He's a very good catcher on a team who doesn't need one.

- His HS always uses the DH for the pitcher and they rest pitchers extensively the day before and the day after an outing.  The HS is very professional about this and I respect that.

 

My Entire Point Is, the TEAM's needs are different than the PLAYER's needs, but the team is NEVER labeled selfish, why?

 

Why don't we label all Law School students as being selfish because they go to Law School even though our country (team) needs them to become Engineers because there are too many Lawyers and not enough Engineers.  So what they want to do something they enjoy and are good at.  So what, suck it up for the country and become an Engineer.  Something they will enjoy less and perhaps be less successful at, but the team needs more of them.

 

We tend to label players as being selfish, but do not return that favor to others; I wonder why?

I suppose a "team" can be seen as selfish, but it doesn't make decisions. It is not sentient. Don't blame the team for coaching decisions you don't agree with.  Please reread Coach May's Post. You just can't have 5 center fielders and no one on first.

 

A couple of quick points:

If your son is a 2016 topping out at 84 who is to say he won't be topping out at 93 in three years? Projection, for good or bad. 

 

Wouldn't it be a good thing to pitch on one team, catch on another. We had a kid who played 3rd and pitched for 4 years in high school, caught in the summers. Went to college as a catcher. This gave him decent exposure, showed him as a team player, and saved his knees. 

 

Baseball tradition obviously favors team based decisions. Those of us that have been there done that know all too well: This is not under your control. So either suck it up or move. Those are your choices. Even moving lands you on a team with different needs, what if your son is asked to move to left field?

(It's not easy, it is frustrating, but stepping back is often the best decision parents can make) 

Good Luck with everything, and really everything will work out. 

 

 

 

Baseball Brick;

1. what section of the USA do you live?

2. Do you know any pro scouts?

3. Have they evaluated your son?

4. What model of catchers mitt does he use?

5. Does he hit left or right?

6. What is his liability's as a catcher?

 

Bob

bbbrick,

I’m pretty sure I get what you’re saying, and I agree that the team is being selfish, but I don’t think that’s the reason you’re being beaten on here. You made the mistake of using analogies that stir the juices., and once you’ve stirred the juices of the “old guard” in a forum like this, you’ve pretty much labeled yourself as anti-baseball dogma, and that will get you nothing but grief.

You shouldn’t have tried to equate Marines or Firemen to anything having to do with baseball. I thought the lawyer thing was perfect, but I’m afraid its too late now. But take heart! The good news is, the final word has yet to be written. Ya know, there is a lot to being a team player in the sense of sacrificing one’s goals and needs for the greater good, but baseball is at its roots supposed to be a game the players have fun playing, and some people forget that.

Had you at the very beginning told the HC your boy was only interested in being a catcher, things would have been a whole lot easier, but for some reason people won’t do that. If I was to start all over again with my son, knowing what I know now about pitching, I’d never have allowed him to do it. Of course he’d then have to live with that decision, and maybe instead of being a stud pitcher, he’d have been a bench warmer who couldn’t start a game to save his soul.

I suggest you think about that. If you really believe the boy won’t be happy playing another position, then that’s what he and you have to tell the coach. Only 1 of 2 things is gonna happen. He’ll be cut or he won’t. If he isn’t cut, he’ll either get instruction, playing time, and the opportunity to get better, or he won’t, and that’s what you and he need to decide on. Are you and he prepared to face the consequences of that decision?

Personally, I try to get kids to play as many positions as possible because no one truly knows where their greatest fortune lies, but then I also believe that if it ain’t fun to play the game, you need to find something else to do. In the end, amateur coaches don’t have a great deal of time and resources anyway, so to ask them to squander that time and those resources on a player they feel isn’t giving the team the best opportunity to be successful is really asking a lot. Now if we’re talking about a pay for play team, they shouldn’t take the money without a complete understanding up front. But if its something like a HS team where no one’s putting anything in their pocket, its something else again, and you need to reconsider your position.

I know this though, you aren’t the 1^st parent going through this and you won’t be the last. No matter what you decide, the game will go on and so will your boy. I truly wish you the best of luck in a system that values the many over the one.

55mom

- I DID NOT BLAME the TEAM, I questioned why the team can’t be labeled as selfish

- He’s over 6 foot and throwing 84, he aint reaching 93, I predict 86-88 after they stretch his arm back to the pitcher slot.

- If the team needs a player to become what he is not best at they’re asking him to give up something for the benefit of the team.  The TEAM comes first and the players come second.

- I don’t want to move.

 

Consultant Bob

1. Continental 48

2. A couple, but not very well.

3. Kinda, they’re travel coaches.

4. I asked him and he said Rawlings, not sure what model.  The glove is currently at the school.

5. Right, he tried left for a while then he out grew it

6. His bat lacks consistent power.

 

Stats4nats

I gota barbeque right now, but I’ll get back to you.

I’m a Marine, but not a Fireman

 Brick ... The person who provided this advice has never been a coach. It's horrible advice. The coach will glaze over, feign interest in what you're saying and give you a bunch of uh huh's. Or he'll tell you he doesn't discuss position and playing time with parents and walk away. Then at the next practice he will pull your son aside and talk to him about being a man and standing up himself for what he wants, not have daddy do it for him.

Semantics aside, the Team is more important than a single player, because it takes at least 9 to make a team. Unless the players take a vote, it's not the team, it's the coach decision who plays and where they play.  Usually coaches use the best skill/talent a player can offer. Maybe the coach wants him on varsity in some capacity, but doesn't want to place him in front of upperclassmen. Maybe you can ask what the coach sees in your son as a pitcher. 

 

Again reread Coach May and RJM. 

I think the majority of our sons are first and foremost baseball players. "Where do you want me coach so I can play the most vs. sitting on the pine watching". Parents only really concern themselves with issues such as this. That or players who don't reach their potential. 

The team should always do what's best for the team, and the player should always do what's best for the player.  The majority of the time, these things will intersect, even if what's best for the player doesn't involve doing the things the player is currently best at.  You and your son are the only ones who can decide if it's better for him to catch and not play for the HS or catch outside of HS and play for the HS where they need him.

RJM

I agree, our HS team strictly prohibits communication with parents for any (and I mean any) reason.  All communication is directly with the kids.

 

55mom

Same answer above.  Yes, my son has talked to coaches and based on what he understood there is disagreement between some of the coaches.  The catching coach in particular believes in a different strategy.  At least that is what he says.

 

Jackacatk

I love your answer, straight to the point.

If I were the HS coach I would do the exact same thing, screw the catcher and make him a pitcher because pitching wins baseball games.  I just wonder why those thoughts aren't as selfish as the player’s.

self·ishsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled

adjective

1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.

 

This is the definition selfish and using this I cannot even begin to see how a "team" is selfish.  As you've pointed out a player can be selfish but it's impossible for a team to be selfish.  What is the point of having a team?  That is a huge distinction and with that will determine how players are used.

 

A high school team is there to help develop players, provide opportunities and to win.  Therefore when you choose to be on a high school team you accept the fact you may have to play at a position you feel isn't your best.

 

If you don't understand that then I feel sorry for the coach of your high school team.  As you've stated what he does seems to work but here you are on here griping and complaining because you don't get your way.  You haven't said one thing about what your son wants or is feeling as he moves to pitcher.  Maybe he's ok with it and if he is then are you ruining what should be fun for him because you're not happy?

 

Like Coach May said in his post - what are you going to do if he gets to college and they move him there?  How do you know he won't throw 90+ in a few years?

 

My Entire Point Is, the TEAM's needs are different than the PLAYER's needs, but the team is NEVER labeled selfish, why?

Because you should know ahead of time that the purpose of the team is to win.  Coaches will put players where they think it gives the team the best chance to win.  Each player has a choice if they want to play on that team or not.  If they play then you accept the fact they are used what benefits the team most.  If you don't want to accept this then don't play and only play on showcase teams where it is about exposure at the position you want to play.

 

This freedom of choice is the same reason people go to law school over engineering school.  You accept what comes out of that choice.

 

I'm sorry you don't get this.

 

 

 

 

A team that does things in it's own best interests rarely impacts individual players negatively, and I expect that even on the rare occasion when some players are affected negatively, more are helped which is still a good trade-off from the team's perspective, even if it looks selfish from the perspective of the individual player.

 

An individual player who is unwilling to do what's best for the team may be able to help himself more (though in my experience this isn't particularly likely), but will definitely negatively impact more players than just himself by doing so.

 

That's why teams acting in their collective self-interest aren't generally labeled as selfish while players are more likely to wear that label when they do so to the detriment of the team.

 

Interesting question... 

 

A team is not a single individual capable of selfish thoughts and acts.   So, in a way, the whole premise is impossible.  That said, you must also consider the nature of a team. 

There are all sorts of interesting definitions and descriptive phrases out there regarding the meaning of “team”.  Some include..

 

-a number of persons associated in some joint action

 

-Team members operate with a high degree of interdependence, share authority and responsibility for self-management, are accountable for the collective performance, and work toward a common goal and shared rewards. A team becomes more than just a collection of people when a strong sense of mutual commitment creates synergy, thus generating performance greater than the sum of the performance of its individual members.

 

It is the purpose of the team to collectively and selflessly come together to win. 

So, when one decides to participate in a team sport, there is a general understanding that the individual must be selfless in order for the team to succeed.  It is the not the purpose of the team to put all the players in the position they prefer to play.

Brick, first let me say welcome to the HSBBW site. A place where anyone can come ask questions, learn, and participate in becoming better informed and educated as either a player, parent, coach or fan of the game.

 

As a former Marine I have to say that your posts confuse me completely. And I say that in a non-combative way. From day 1 I was taught that our motto "Semper Fi" stood for always faithful to our cause and to our brothers. A collective and team mindset of doing whatever necessary to see that we were always on point and ready to do whatever it took to win and overcome. Now correct me if I am wrong but I don't see one iota of selfishness in this nor would I expect a Marine or former Marine to think any differently if their son or daughter was playing a TEAM sport that required MANY to perform at one time to the cause and hopes of winning. Now if this was the game of Pool or Tennis then yes, I suppose being an individual and maybe selfish is okay. There your own performance and skills either helped you win or caused you to lose. But just like a General on the battle field guiding his men to victory do you think he gives 2 &#*@ about what each man is willing to sacrifice to overcome the enemy? In short - No. Together they must operate as a fine oiled machine each doing his own part to help his Brother succeed.

 

I can't even begin to tell you what great advise you have received above from some of the Old Timers on here. Amazing advise. And if I were you I'd remove the blinders from your head and go BACK and re-read what they have said. If you can't even do that then Im afraid my fellow brother and new HSBBW friend that you AND  your son are in for some long term heartache and frustration from here on out. There comes a time that we all - including you - have to let go and allow those we entrust with our sons and daughters, i.e. Coaches, Teachers, etc to make the right decision and hope that they grow and learn to appreciate their teammates and comrades that have their back.

 

Good luck.

 

YGD

Great post YGD.

I will probably get beat up for this but I can't be the only one who thinks this topic is ridiculous.
You all assumed this was a parent posting.  If so and he really is an xmarine this is all pretty scary he would think in this way.
Been around a long time and I just don't buy into it.

jacjacatk

I really like your line of responses.  You are speaking directly to my primary question and not getting sidetracked by the outliners.

 

cabbagedad

Yes, although SELFish is primarily reserved for individuals it is clear the word is often used to describe greedy selfish Corporations.  I contend that sometimes Corporations (Teams) make selfish decisions.  And sometimes Corporations (Teams) can hurt Employees (Kids) because they put their needs above the needs of others.

 

Yes, I understand sacrificing 1 for the benefits of 9 makes sense.

Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do and die.

YoungGunDad

God, Corps, Country: Three different teams, in that order.

Family, HS Team, Player: The player is my family.

Brick - there's actually a simple way your son could've avoided being a PO ... and I suspect you know what it is: Have a bat the HC cannot possibly do without in the everyday lineup.

Im more perplexed than ever now Brick.

 

Are you hoping or expecting us to condone your selfish motives because your son is better at one position than another and for that screw the rest of the team? Or disrespect the Coach and his job of putting a winning team on the field?

 

Again, not confrontational but asking from a place of not understanding what you are truly asking of us. Or maybe you are hoping that we secretly will agree with you so you can do what you need to do next.

 

YGD

 

P.S. God, Corps, Country: Three different teams, in that order.

 

YES! And the team I played on for these teams was the Marines!