Quick question, my 2013 son and I are having an argument, he claims that he can receive text and email after 1 Sept I think it's only mail. What's the right answer?
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son is right on that one
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Not so fast Jimnev. Tomorrow your son will be able to recieve personal emails and home mail but NOT text messages. Text Messaging was banned a few years ago by the NCAA to prevent some very agressive coaches going haywire on their recruits.
One other thing...I believe parents lock in too much to the September 1 date as a barometer of interest and future good (or not) things to come.
Through two sons who have or will play D1 baseball in a high level conference (and both had multiple choices in college selection)...September 1 just wasn't a very important date in retrospect. In the rearview mirror, I see September 1 as one of the most inconsequential dates on the recruiting calendar.
Maybe something will come, maybe nothing will come. I wouldn't put too much emotional investment in either situation.
Through two sons who have or will play D1 baseball in a high level conference (and both had multiple choices in college selection)...September 1 just wasn't a very important date in retrospect. In the rearview mirror, I see September 1 as one of the most inconsequential dates on the recruiting calendar.
Maybe something will come, maybe nothing will come. I wouldn't put too much emotional investment in either situation.
So, does FedEx deliver after midnight? 
Ha! Ha! 
I was wondering the same thing.
Just one person's experience, but none of the schools that emailed on 9/1 ended up on my son's short list...
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
One other thing...I believe parents lock in too much to the September 1 date as a barometer of interest and future good (or not) things to come.
Through two sons who have or will play D1 baseball in a high level conference (and both had multiple choices in college selection)...September 1 just wasn't a very important date in retrospect. In the rearview mirror, I see September 1 as one of the most inconsequential dates on the recruiting calendar.
Maybe something will come, maybe nothing will come. I wouldn't put too much emotional investment in either situation.
At a recent showcase (D-I) a parent asked the recruiting coordinator this exact question. His response was that if you don't hear anything on Sept 1 don't panic. If you do, know that you are definitely someone we are watching.
He also said the best part about that Sept 1 date is that it makes prospects more comfortable asking questions about how the coaches view their ability and if they might have a need . . . it's easier than making that first phone call. He said it starts the conversation because they can communicate and actually answer the player's questions, which usually leads into, "hey kid, give me a call and we can talk more."
quote:Originally posted by StateDynasty:
Not so fast Jimnev. Tomorrow your son will be able to recieve personal emails and home mail but NOT text messages. Text Messaging was banned a few years ago by the NCAA to prevent some very agressive coaches going haywire on their recruits.
So is texting banned altogether, or is it held to the restrictions like a phone call?
Texting, facebook, myspace, or any system of instant messagin is banned at any point during the recruiting process. As for phone calls....those may come after the July 1st deadline.
Some color on text messages:
The prohibition is against coaches sending text messages to prospective student athletes. The player can send text messages to coaches. If a player does receive a text message from a coach, his eligibility is unaffected. The prohibition doesn't apply to seniors who have either signed an athletically related offer of admission, or have made a deposit in response to a general offer of admission.
There are 4 separate proposals now under consideration for D1 that would lift the restriction on texting, with variously August 1, September 1, or the first day of classes for a junior as the first allowable date. It is extremely likely that next year text messages to juniors will be permitted.
The primary reason to change the rule is that many recruits now have phones which receive both email and texts. Seems a little ridiculous to restrict one and not the other.
The prohibition is against coaches sending text messages to prospective student athletes. The player can send text messages to coaches. If a player does receive a text message from a coach, his eligibility is unaffected. The prohibition doesn't apply to seniors who have either signed an athletically related offer of admission, or have made a deposit in response to a general offer of admission.
There are 4 separate proposals now under consideration for D1 that would lift the restriction on texting, with variously August 1, September 1, or the first day of classes for a junior as the first allowable date. It is extremely likely that next year text messages to juniors will be permitted.
The primary reason to change the rule is that many recruits now have phones which receive both email and texts. Seems a little ridiculous to restrict one and not the other.
Very good explanation 3FingeredGlove.
do the same rules apply to 2014? i had a coach come up to me last week and say..sorry for not saying hello but your son was with you so i couldnt
3 finger can texting, email, face to face btwn coach and travel coach or coach and parent still take place in fall? does grad year matter?
3 finger can texting, email, face to face btwn coach and travel coach or coach and parent still take place in fall? does grad year matter?
whits23,
There's too many rules to summarize easily here.
Download the Guide for the College-Bound Student-Athlete. All of it is useful information, but for recruiting, look at page 23 and following.
There's too many rules to summarize easily here.
Download the Guide for the College-Bound Student-Athlete. All of it is useful information, but for recruiting, look at page 23 and following.
FYI, 2013 son got an email yesterday re a visit to a school he has been talking to.
To Echo Jmoff's post..Of all the emails that my son receive on or around Sept 1. Only 1 remained as a major player in the recruiting process.
quote:Originally posted by justbaseball:
One other thing...I believe parents lock in too much to the September 1 date as a barometer of interest and future good (or not) things to come.
Through two sons who have or will play D1 baseball in a high level conference (and both had multiple choices in college selection)...September 1 just wasn't a very important date in retrospect. In the rearview mirror, I see September 1 as one of the most inconsequential dates on the recruiting calendar.
Maybe something will come, maybe nothing will come. I wouldn't put too much emotional investment in either situation.
I Agree....and I Disagree with justbaseball's above take on September 1 emails. I agree, you can not measure the "true interest" for your son from these programs until after July 1 going into senior year. However, I disagree that the 9/1 date is the most inconsequential on the recruiting calendar. When 7/1 hit, son received calls from many of the schools who had emailed in the Fall on September 1. Yes, there were plenty of schools that fell off the recruiting radar at one point or another for various reasons (SAT score too low at one PAC 12 college, lack of interest from my son due to the program's location, and schools that simply felt he wasn't a good fit).
Our (my son's) recruiting journey was exciting and difficult at the same time. I'm not going to lie, we made copies of all the letters, emails, and recruiting questionnaires etc...We were excited every time a coach called him (What did he say? Did he sound interested? Is he coming to your next game/tournament?) it was fun, yet very stressful. My son wanted to stay within a six hour drive here on the west coast. He wanted the opportunity to pitch and play the outfield. Lastly, he wanted to play D1 baseball. Hey, that's not too much to ask?
Congratulations if you have some interest this month, you're on the radar, how strong the interest is will be determined over the next 6-9 months. But, as justbaseball said, if you did or didn't receive an email, don't get emotional. My son had filled out a questionnaire his sophomore season and never heard from the college (besides the mass camp invites) he'll be attending until October of his senior year when they made him an offer a couple weeks prior to the early signing period. The school is 70 miles from home, they're going to give him an opportunity to go 2-way (at least during the fall), and it's a D1 school known for its baseball program and academics...great for my son, but they were nowhere on the radar September 1 of his junior, or for that matter his senior year of HS. Unless your son is a serious Blue Chip recruit, you never know WHEN your son will receive interest, from WHAT schools, and WHERE they're located...we were very, very fortunate.
BTW, perhaps I should have used justbaseball as a reference for my son during his recruitment journey. JBB has two son's that are stud pitchers, but they also have a pretty darn good last name...who knows, we could be distant relatives?
quote:...but they also have a pretty darn good last name...who knows, we could be distant relatives? Big Grin
Pretty cool!
Good post and a good take overall on your part (especially the parts I didn't quote). I agree with all of the first 3 paragraphs.
All the best to your son moving forward!
How common is it for a J.V. player to get a sept 1st email and if they make varsity in junior year how long till they would really start seeing the mail
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andrewdon
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andrewdon
Andrew - Welcome to the hsbaseballweb!
Players get emails/letters/questionnaires typically after someone (coach, friend of coach, scout) sees him play and likes what they saw. Sometimes the contact comes from mailing lists too...perhaps the player was in a high level tournament or a showcase.
The main thing is for your son to get to places where he will be seen by college coaches and evaluated. College camps, HS games, travel ball games, showcases. They have to be seen in order to be known.
Good luck!
Players get emails/letters/questionnaires typically after someone (coach, friend of coach, scout) sees him play and likes what they saw. Sometimes the contact comes from mailing lists too...perhaps the player was in a high level tournament or a showcase.
The main thing is for your son to get to places where he will be seen by college coaches and evaluated. College camps, HS games, travel ball games, showcases. They have to be seen in order to be known.
Good luck!
What is role of ncaa clearing house and do u have to register to get correspmdence. I know kids who are not yet jr,s so they would not have registered but have had contact with schools regarding offers or camps?
The two are not connected.
You have to register and clear the NCAA clearinghouse in order to be eligible to play in college. There is no requirement to be registered in order to be contacted.
We registered both of our boys in their junior year. Final clearance doesn't come until after you've graduated from HS. Both already had contact with multiple colleges before they were registered.
You have to register and clear the NCAA clearinghouse in order to be eligible to play in college. There is no requirement to be registered in order to be contacted.
We registered both of our boys in their junior year. Final clearance doesn't come until after you've graduated from HS. Both already had contact with multiple colleges before they were registered.
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If I received an email (sept. 1st) or letter in the mail (sept. 2nd) telling me about the program and inviting me to their prospect camps, but without ever mentioning they have seen me play, does it mean there is an interst? Or am I probably just on a mailing list from a tournament or showcase.
we just got 3 today saying my son was recommended but they wont say who. I think its more about camp and fall revenue for them but if its a school we like we would attend.
"You were recommended to us by..." is often how form letters begin.
It does not mean you are or are not a prospect for their school. It might? It might not?
If its a school you would love to attend and you can afford it, go to their prospect camp.
The bottom line, whether you were 'recommended' or not, they will need to see you play somewhere, some time before they will decide one way or another.
It does not mean you are or are not a prospect for their school. It might? It might not?
If its a school you would love to attend and you can afford it, go to their prospect camp.
The bottom line, whether you were 'recommended' or not, they will need to see you play somewhere, some time before they will decide one way or another.
Another Question:
A Major D1 SEC school sent me a letter on the 1st offering me 3 free football tickets to the game of my choosing, getting to watch the baseball team practice before the football game, and possibly a tour of the baseball facilities. The thing is that I am only mildly interested in this school. I would only go to this school if it was on a baseball scholarship. But, I feel like not taking this offer of an unofficial visit would be pretty much slapping this coach in the face and telling him and I am not interested in his school, which is not true at all. The problem is that I don't know how interested this school really is in me, so I don't know if the unofficial is even worth it.
A Major D1 SEC school sent me a letter on the 1st offering me 3 free football tickets to the game of my choosing, getting to watch the baseball team practice before the football game, and possibly a tour of the baseball facilities. The thing is that I am only mildly interested in this school. I would only go to this school if it was on a baseball scholarship. But, I feel like not taking this offer of an unofficial visit would be pretty much slapping this coach in the face and telling him and I am not interested in his school, which is not true at all. The problem is that I don't know how interested this school really is in me, so I don't know if the unofficial is even worth it.
DLOCK - Thats really something you're gonna have to reach down in your own conscience about.
Personally, I think if you might be interested in a school, why not go?...see it...see a baseball practice...see a football game...talk to the coaches. This might(?) be how you find out for sure that you are or are not interested in that school.
We let our sons visit as many schools as they could, so long as it wasn't a 'no-way' school. It really helped to put some on the map in their minds...and it also helped to take some off the map.
I think if you had an offer from them down the road and you really hadn't seen campus life up close and personal...you risk making a mistake with either a 'yes' or 'no' decision.
Personally, I think if you might be interested in a school, why not go?...see it...see a baseball practice...see a football game...talk to the coaches. This might(?) be how you find out for sure that you are or are not interested in that school.
We let our sons visit as many schools as they could, so long as it wasn't a 'no-way' school. It really helped to put some on the map in their minds...and it also helped to take some off the map.
I think if you had an offer from them down the road and you really hadn't seen campus life up close and personal...you risk making a mistake with either a 'yes' or 'no' decision.
is it ok to send 3 free tickets to a school event?
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i was at a sec school this weekend and its funny as it is a place a lot of people would love to go to but having seen the town and surrounding area it is not all its cracked up to be so i would go to any school you have interest in.
i was at a sec school this weekend and its funny as it is a place a lot of people would love to go to but having seen the town and surrounding area it is not all its cracked up to be so i would go to any school you have interest in.
My 2013 received his first contact yesterday via a text message from a JC. I assume JC are not under the same restrictions as the D1 etc. They did request his e-mail address. Even though he probably has little interest it does highten the excitement.
Whit,
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has an opinion.
However, having been to every SEC school, I’m trying to figure out which one would be undesirable.
I guess a player might think some are more impressive than others, but I would think that any of the SEC colleges would be a dream school for talented baseball players.
To me, they are all what they are cracked up to be.
I understand that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has an opinion.
However, having been to every SEC school, I’m trying to figure out which one would be undesirable.
I guess a player might think some are more impressive than others, but I would think that any of the SEC colleges would be a dream school for talented baseball players.
To me, they are all what they are cracked up to be.
there is a difference between athletic facilites and the towns they are in at times. I would want to feel safe walking around campus. When blood banks are on the corner and people sleeping on benches around the campus i sort of consider than undesirable imho but maybe it was a bad day.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
However, having been to every SEC school, I’m trying to figure out which one would be undesirable.
Alabama
/ ok, son can play baseball, but I'm not watching them play football.
There are plenty of schools i would not be on after dark wallking around. anyone who thinks all sec schools or any other conference schools are ALL nice has not been to them ALL. Some are great and some are not. Not all PG sites are desirable or safe. I am not going to bash high schools or towns but thats reality. Same for pro parks but i would say don't turn down a contract hire a bodyguard
quote:Originally posted by topscout47:
There are plenty of schools i would not be on after dark wallking around. anyone who thinks all sec schools or any other conference schools are ALL nice has not been to them ALL. Some are great and some are not. Not all PG sites are desirable or safe. I am not going to bash high schools or towns but thats reality. Same for pro parks but i would say don't turn down a contract hire a bodyguard
There are a few SEC/ACC schools that do reside in cities that might be seen as undesirable to some. That's why it is important to make visits and never commit to anything site unseen.
My son went to a place where crime is an after thought, a sleepy little town in SC, tucked out of the way of nowhere. As ideal as that sounds, it isn't always for everyone.
quote:Originally posted by whits23:
we just got 3 today saying my son was recommended but they wont say who. I think its more about camp and fall revenue for them but if its a school we like we would attend.
2013 has received several emails and letters that are only slightly more personal than the original camp letters he had been receiving.
What I find particularly interesting is that beginning on September 2 he emailed individual coaches at schools where he has a true interest and has been to their camps. He has asked if they can tell him anything about their early opinion of him or how someone of his skills might fit their needs. He also offered to call them if they prefer.
Today we received another camp invitation from one of the ones he contacted, so obviously they do want our money, but not necessarily our kid.
Of about 12 emails sent, only one coach has responded directly, with a very honest reply of "we are still evaluating the class of 2013 but you are on our radar and please stay in touch with us."
2013 - I think what you are experiencing is more the norm.
With our older son...who in the end had his pick of nearly any college...he mailed one of the local D1s expressing interest around 9/1 of junior year. Fairly quickly he got a nice letter back, said all the 'right' things (to my eye) and with a questionnaire.
Couple of weeks later, his summer coach was in a restaurant with the head coach of that school and told him he really needed to check out our son. Head coach basically said, 'f-you, I don't need any of your stinking players' and headed out.
Fast forward another couple of weeks...son was at a local showcase with that same head coach and assistant there to watch. Most likely first time they had seen him in person. 2-3 days later son gets a handwritten letter in the mail from the assistant coach expressing sincere and serious interest in our son...with an attachment to "fill out our questionnaire." (Remember they had it on file...didn't even bother to look). Also inviting him to their upcoming camp (also had his registration for that camp already...on file, didn't bother to look).
Now fast forward another 8 months and head coach and assistant coach are in our living room on July 1 offering son the biggest scholarship they had offered to that point.
Don't think they ever pieced together all of the missteps. Son picked another school BTW...I never told him about the comments in the restaurant...so his decision was pretty 'clean.'
This example is one of the reasons I advise not to get too fired up nor too down about the September 1 date. If it ends up mattering, I just think it will be more by coincidence than anything else.
With our older son...who in the end had his pick of nearly any college...he mailed one of the local D1s expressing interest around 9/1 of junior year. Fairly quickly he got a nice letter back, said all the 'right' things (to my eye) and with a questionnaire.
Couple of weeks later, his summer coach was in a restaurant with the head coach of that school and told him he really needed to check out our son. Head coach basically said, 'f-you, I don't need any of your stinking players' and headed out.
Fast forward another couple of weeks...son was at a local showcase with that same head coach and assistant there to watch. Most likely first time they had seen him in person. 2-3 days later son gets a handwritten letter in the mail from the assistant coach expressing sincere and serious interest in our son...with an attachment to "fill out our questionnaire." (Remember they had it on file...didn't even bother to look). Also inviting him to their upcoming camp (also had his registration for that camp already...on file, didn't bother to look).
Now fast forward another 8 months and head coach and assistant coach are in our living room on July 1 offering son the biggest scholarship they had offered to that point.
Don't think they ever pieced together all of the missteps. Son picked another school BTW...I never told him about the comments in the restaurant...so his decision was pretty 'clean.'
This example is one of the reasons I advise not to get too fired up nor too down about the September 1 date. If it ends up mattering, I just think it will be more by coincidence than anything else.