The Legend grows .....2 run dinger his first real at bat in the minors??? Great story. The Mets are looking like geniuses. Cold ugly night in Columbia and the place is packed with spectators to watch a minor league game. Only Tebow.
What a windfall for the Sally. Promotions departments are already pumping up their home games against the Fireflies. I bet there will be a bunch of sellouts.
The legend? Tebow is strong. He's going to hit 20 homers at that level. He also struck out three times against A ball pitching. My expectations are .220 or less, 20 homers and striking out in 40% of his at bats. I wouldn't be surprised if he hits as low as .190.
What size Tebow jersey did you order? Come on, you can admit it.
I think that's all it's going to be for Tebow. He might become some kind of MiiLB legend, hitting .195 with 250 HRs and never making it to the show.
Tebow is such a rube. Doesn't he know he is only hitting that HR so he can be moved to the Mets owned Class A+ team and he can help the Mets rake it in with Dippin Dots sales?
Will somebody please send me a PM or a text when Tebow gets his batting average above .250 in the minors. At that point, he may be taken almost seriously as a professional. Until then it is a sideshow based on who he is and not what he has done as a baseball player. JMO.
Will do Fenway!
fenwaysouth posted:Will somebody please send me a PM or a text when Tebow gets his batting average above .250 in the minors. At that point, he may be taken almost seriously as a professional. Until then it is a sideshow based on who he is and not what he has done as a baseball player. JMO.
At .250 currently (1 for 3 so far in today's game) . . . ah, I see you asked for "above" .250 . . . never mind
Wake up calls, Dip and Dots, Sally League promotions....this thread is so much better alive than dead! :-)
Yes, indeed. There is nothing that we here at Hsbaseballweb enjoy discussing more than things that aren't really our business.
Teaching Elder posted:Yes, indeed. There is nothing that we here at Hsbaseballweb enjoy discussing more than things that aren't really our business.
Okay
Is there anything good about Tebow playing baseball? Does he need to make it to the Big Leagues or it's a failure?
Does he create additional interest in the game? I would think there are football fans and Tebow fans that never cared about baseball until now. I think wherever he plays they will draw large crowds. Everything he does, be it a success or failure becomes national news. Some might call it a circus and maybe it is, but the circus exists to entertain people.
To me, it doesn't really matter how good Tebow is at baseball. Its more about whether his involvement is good for the game. At worst you would think he might be a positive influence on his young teammates. Even if he wasn't a great passer in football, I don't think anyone questioned his leadership qualities. From the little bit that I've seen so far, it looks like his teammates love the guy. And it looks like he is enjoying the game.
So, is he getting something just because he is Tebow? Absolutely! Just like Michael Jordan did. Will he be the worst player in the minor Leagues? Michael Jordan wasn't. If he is the worst player, does it really matter? I just hope he keeps drawing more and more attention to the game I love. And that is what is going to happen whether he does great or fails miserably. Even those that dislike him and want him to fail must admit that all of this is interesting.
PGStaff posted:Is there anything good about Tebow playing baseball? Does he need to make it to the Big Leagues or it's a failure?
Does he create additional interest in the game? I would think there are football fans and Tebow fans that never cared about baseball until now. I think wherever he plays they will draw large crowds. Everything he does, be it a success or failure becomes national news. Some might call it a circus and maybe it is, but the circus exists to entertain people.
To me, it doesn't really matter how good Tebow is at baseball. Its more about whether his involvement is good for the game. At worst you would think he might be a positive influence on his young teammates. Even if he wasn't a great passer in football, I don't think anyone questioned his leadership qualities. From the little bit that I've seen so far, it looks like his teammates love the guy. And it looks like he is enjoying the game.
So, is he getting something just because he is Tebow? Absolutely! Just like Michael Jordan did. Will he be the worst player in the minor Leagues? Michael Jordan wasn't. If he is the worst player, does it really matter? I just hope he keeps drawing more and more attention to the game I love. And that is what is going to happen whether he does great or fails miserably. Even those that dislike him and want him to fail must admit that all of this is interesting.
Agreed...and it looked like his teammates were genuinely happy for him when he crossed home plate.
hshuler posted:Wake up calls, Dip and Dots, Sally League promotions....this thread is so much better alive than dead! :-)
I agree.. with 14 pages and no sign of letting up, how could it not be "Golden Thread" material?
Ripken Fan posted:hshuler posted:Wake up calls, Dip and Dots, Sally League promotions....this thread is so much better alive than dead! :-)
I agree.. with 14 pages and no sign of letting up, how could it not be "Golden Thread" material?
At some point, length becomes a reason not to accept a "Golden Thread" nomination.
Tebow with another three-run tater today.
HShuler said,
"Agreed...and it looked like his teammates were genuinely happy for him when he crossed home plate. "
It was this that let me know that this experience was going to be different than it could have been. If Tebow had walked in like he was something special guys likely would resent him. But, you know he is a good teammate and a humble one. He's grinding like the rest, and they respect and appreciate that.
It would be cool to get to hang out with a two time national champion and Heisman trophy winner who had rather talk about how you are doing than about himself.
Well said PG.
Will Tebow change his name to Mendoza?
Everyone knows that Tebow is a very long shot and will likely fail. But, are you rooting for the guy to fail?
Teaching Elder posted:Everyone knows that Tebow is a very long shot and will likely fail. But, are you rooting for the guy to fail?
I'm seeing the reality of the situation. I'm rooting against his cheerleaders who think he was persecuted and waived from the NFL for being a Christian (numbest thing I ever heard) and believe he's such a great athlete he will be a MLBer. Mostly I'm rooting for the name to stop being among absurd storylines. If he builds a church somewhere and helps saves the starving I will applaud him.
RJM posted:I'm rooting against his cheerleaders who think he was persecuted ... for being a Christian (numbest thing I ever heard)
Is this April Fools day??? Seriously??
SB Nation:It's Okay To Hate Tim Tebow - "#4 BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION"
"Jake Plummer said on a Phoenix radio station that he would like Tebow more if he would ‘shut up’ about his faith in Jesus"
USA Today: Larry Taunton, "Plummer said what the commentators wouldn’t say. Their dislike for Tim Tebow is not, as they would have us believe, about his throwing motion or his completion percentage; it’s all about his open professions of faith and his goody-two shoes image. When it comes right down to it, we don’t want heroes who are truly good. We want them to fail the occasional drug test or start a bar fight from time to time. It makes us feel better about ourselves.”
I could list 100 more and 10s of thousands of tweets.
Nobody's falling for this.
Tebow is pro life, so ESPN and the 'media' had to hate him. Virtue signaling to see who could hate him the most.
Tebow was not run out of football because of his religion. He was run out because he can't play QB at the NFL level. This is what I'm talking about.
RJM posted:Teaching Elder posted:Everyone knows that Tebow is a very long shot and will likely fail. But, are you rooting for the guy to fail?
I'm seeing the reality of the situation. I'm rooting against his cheerleaders who think he was persecuted and waived from the NFL for being a Christian (numbest thing I ever heard) and believe he's such a great athlete he will be a MLBer. Mostly I'm rooting for the name to stop being among absurd storylines. If he builds a church somewhere and helps saves the starving I will applaud him.
I don't understand people who criticize Tim Tebow's baseball adventure on the grounds he's nearly certain to fail or he's taking a roster spot from a more deserving prospect.
I follow at least a dozen minor leaguers who have almost no chance of ever making it to MLB. I'm rooting for all of them, and it never once occurred to me to criticize them for pursuing a goal they have a low probability of achieving or for taking roster spots away from other players.
If you can't root for an underdog in minor league baseball, when can you?
RJM posted:Tebow was not run out of football because of his religion. He was run out because he can't play QB at the NFL level. This is what I'm talking about.
Well...I've never said Tebow was run out of football because of his religion. I personally don't know anyone else who believes that, and I know A LOT of Christians.
There certainly are anecdotal cases of people who believe that Tebow was denied a chance in the NFL because of his religion. Go into the comments section of an article about him, and you'll see a teenager or two say something of that nature. But, come on, there are anecdotal cases of people believing all sorts of things. Don't make an extreme case out to be your image of an entire group of people.
Is Tebow reviled because of his religion? Absolutely. Tebow is hyped up because he is a compelling story. He's a great guy who has worked very hard in his life and reached some great achievements in large part due to his work ethic, leadership and heart. He's not some dilettante giving baseball a "little try" for a while. He works as hard as anyone else, and has the respect of his teammates and coaches. But his religiosity, which is not nearly as overt as some others, and is way, way, way less in your face than Michael Sam's choice of who he sleeps with, is thrown in his face as a reason to dislike him, or his fan-boys, or his 6 year-old Sunday School class teacher, etc.
To want him to fail because of Christian's wanting him to succeed, a few of which may be irrational 14 year olds, is not healthy. That's like wanting Sandy Koufax to fail because he took off for Yom Kippur, and Jews everywhere, of every age, where so very proud of him and wanted to see him succeed.
Go to a game. Meet the guy. Shake his hand - he most likely will oblige. I think that you will have a brand new perspective on him.
Teaching Elder posted:RJM posted:Tebow was not run out of football because of his religion. He was run out because he can't play QB at the NFL level. This is what I'm talking about.
Well...I've never said Tebow was run out of football because of his religion. I personally don't know anyone else who believes that, and I know A LOT of Christians.
Is Tebow reviled because of his religion? Absolutely. Tebow is hyped up because he is a compelling story. He's a great guy who has worked very hard in his life and reached some great achievements in large part due to his work ethic, leadership and heart. He's not some dilettante giving baseball a "little try" for a while. He works as hard as anyone else, and has the respect of his teammates and coaches. But his religiosity, which is not nearly as overt as some others, and is way, way, way less in your face than Michael Sam's choice of who he sleeps with, is thrown in his face as a reason to dislike him, or his fan-boys, or his 6 year-old Sunday School class teacher, etc.
To want him to fail because of Christian's wanting him to succeed, a few of which may be irrational 14 year olds, is not healthy. That's like wanting Sandy Koufax to fail because he took off for Yom Kippur, and Jews everywhere, of every age, where so very proud of him and wanted to see him succeed.
Go to a game. Meet the guy. Shake his hand - he most likely will oblige. I think that you will have a brand new perspective on him.
Please teach me the connection between who Michael Sam has sex with, and Tim Tebow's baseball career.
There's no connection, bud. Go on back to sleep.
In what world is a guy who quietly came out of the closet more in-your-face than one who prompted an NCAA rule change because of his very overt messages?
Oh, yeah...the delusional one where Tebow is supposedly getting persecuted by a hateful media (despite having far more coverage than he warrants.)
Swampboy posted:I don't understand people who criticize Tim Tebow's baseball adventure on the grounds he's nearly certain to fail or he's taking a roster spot from a more deserving prospect.
I follow at least a dozen minor leaguers who have almost no chance of ever making it to MLB. I'm rooting for all of them, and it never once occurred to me to criticize them for pursuing a goal they have a low probability of achieving or for taking roster spots away from other players.
If you can't root for an underdog in minor league baseball, when can you?
+1
Tebow and Kurt Warner are very similar when it comes to Religion. If someone can throw well enough they will keep you.
Race and religion do seem to cause way too much hatred among some people. There are great people and bad people of all races and many religions. I think the thing I like most about Tebow is it appears he has no hate in him.
All the other stuff is just entertainment. Baseball, all sports, are simply forms of entertainment. Odd how many of the greatest athletes and teams ever, were both loved and hated by many. Mohammad Ali, Barry Bonds, Lebron James, the Yankees, etc. Not saying Tebow is in the same class as far as professional achievement, but he shares the same type of popularity. Whether I like him or not, whether I think he is capable of doing something or not, whether he is treated fairly or not, whether he succeeds or fails,, whether he is fake or real... In my mind he is just one unusual and fascinating figure.
"Sandy Koufax to fail because he took off for Yom Kippur." Plenty of people wanted him to fail because of his religion. That's called anti-Semitism. It was pretty damn rampant in his age, and I expect there is still plenty.
I have to admit that I got "weary" of Tebow dropping in "Jesus" all the time, seemingly, in his earlier days in front of a mic. I think that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. I suspect he toned it way down.
He's obviously an incredibly strong and gifted athlete, and hard worker. I'm indifferent to whether he succeeds in baseball, but I do see the obvious media interest.
Tebow ended up out of the NFL for a simple reason - his skill set was just not conducive to NFL football. Denver was more than ready to continue with him, but when Manning becomes available, you can't ignore that chance. Once Manning was here, Tebow's style was not made for a back up QB. If you were going to trot Tebow out as your starting QB, you had to be committed to a particular style of football that was built around a good running game and qb who was a threat to run or break open the long game on occasion. To commit to such a style also required you have a back up who could run the same offense. You couldn't depend on completely revamping your playbook if Tebow were to be injured. So, for Tebow to succeed in the NFL - and I believe he could have - it would take a team committing long term to a very unique (at least for the NFL) style of play. I don't think there were teams out there willing to do it.
Matt13 posted:In what world is a guy who quietly came out of the closet more in-your-face than one who prompted an NCAA rule change because of his very overt messages?
Oh, yeah...the delusional one where Tebow is supposedly getting persecuted by a hateful media (despite having far more coverage than he warrants.)
I think it works out something like this, using Tebow and Sam as examples, but it applies to plenty of other athletes/people:
Sam is in a minority that's actually persecuted (even more outside of the US), and then further in a minority by being out among pro athletes. He was a marginal pro talent, and there's a reasonable argument to be made that his minority status was actually held against him (slightly) with regards to the chances he got. If he'd been a Lawrence Taylor level talent, he'd be in the NFL now, regardless of his sexual orientation.
Tebow is in a majority group (evangelical christian) that's not really persecuted (at least in the US), though could probably be characterized as vilified by some, and within the athlete sub-group he's probably in an even more majority group (it seems to me anecdotally that there are far more outspoken religious athletes than people in other professions). He's also a marginal athletic talent, relative to his desire to be a QB or pro baseball player anyway, but it seems likely that his being a member of the group he's identified with has actually provided him more opportunities than he might have otherwise gotten. If he was a Peyton Manning or Bo Jackson level talent, his faith would be much less of an issue, and he'd be playing whichever sport he preferred. He'd also probably be judged primarily on his talent if he was a running back/DB/whatever other position he's better suited for physically (I'm not much of a football fan, obviously).
In general, people who identify with Tebow tend to assume religious motivation for his critics, and those who identify with Sam assume homophobic motives for his. Given the relative societal "acceptability" of being in each group, I think it's more likely that homophobia plays a part in Sam's story than persecution does in Tebow's, but in the end both are probably fairly out of football, at least.
You did a pretty good job of discerning things and explaining them out jacjac.
Tebow is really pretty tame about Jesus. He makes many of his statements in ways like, "seeing people without enough to eat in third world countries puts baseball into perspective". He helps people and cares about them genuinely. stuff like that. I don't think I've ever heard him preach at anyone or such.
Cleveland did not see Tebow fitting into their vision of the future - Cleveland has no vision, unless it's losing (sorry Cleveland football fans, but you suck). The Jets, well they just suck and I don't believe they will ever recover under current ownership. Then we had Cleveland and RGIII, I mean RGII, RGI, and then RG (he lost a I after major injury - ownership and coaching ruined RG).
From a sports rag: the Jets have shown just how damaging Tebow's popularity can be to a team. Those who blindly support and follow him everywhere he goes—"Tebowmaniacs"—have fueled his demise as much as they have helped him.
Whether a team is looking for a starting quarterback, a backup or a fullback, they can find solutions that will not provide the distractions that Tebow does. Why trade for Tebow when you can just draft a late-round quarterback (who is likely a better passer) who wouldn't bring ESPN cameras to their training camp?
Tebow is now treated like Terrell Owens, in that decision-makers see Tebow as more of a destructive force than an asset—which is incredibly ironic considering how different the two personalities are and how well-intentioned Tebow is.
2foru,
I think you might have nailed it. Maybe Tebowmania is why people dislike Tebow the person. I just sit back and get amazed by how popular and controversial this guy is. Actually he isn't controversial, but the opinions sure are. Makes you wonder if politics are in the future.
I used to think Tebow was kind of phony, but he never makes excuses, or blames others for his failures. He is genuine, and he is very unique. Football or baseball are secondary, its almost like he uses them to get his thoughts across to a lot of people. I don't think it is so much about religion as it is that he really cares about others, especially those that are in need. If he is a fake, he is one of the best ever fakes.
He may not end up being a baseball or football player, but he certainly is a personality much bigger than many that have had successful careers.
Please help the moderators keep this thread open by directing future comments AWAY from religion and politics and back TOWARD baseball.