Something about weight transfer and arm locked out. And then I got a little bored. Anyway, chow dog.
My kid watched the video and says that he thinks Tebow's hand path is okay but that overall he looks out of sequence, like a natural righty trying to learn how to swing lefty.
Just saw that an MLB guy who I'll be watching play tomorrow night does not seem to be a big fan.
Andrew Jones on Twitter:
After this @MLB season I'm going try out for the @NFL this offseason. I haven't played since HS but I've played in a few TurkeyBowls since!!
— 10 (@SimplyAJ10) August 9, 2016
rynoattack posted:old_school posted:Bolts-Coach-PR posted:His swing is a lot better than I thought it would be...
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17256919
Sheffield: Tebow can be in Majors in two years
http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=espn:17255355swing is much better then I would have guessed but it is still a cage and BP...
Sheffield IMO doesn't do much to sway an argument in this interview. He probably wouldn't be real high on my list of guys I would be going to discuss hitting with.
Why not? Sheffield was a great hitter! Probably the quickest bat I've seen, and he worked VERY hard at his craft. He's probably forgot more about hitting than anyone on these boards...
this link posted earlier by JCG sums up what I was attempting to say...I saw none of this type of thought from Sheffield. great hitters don't necessarily know a damn thing about hitting mechanics or teaching.
https://thehittingvault.com/20...ow-have-a-mlb-swing/
Go Tebow! Good for him. Not a single one of us know for sure if he can make it. And odds are stacked against every (well almost) player who signs a minor league contract. But they keep signing and pursuing their dreams. Shall we criticize all of them? He has the money so isn't hurting anyone financially by making a move like this. I can see no down side to him giving it a shot. I wish him the best and hope he makes it! There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
Love the guy. Hate the swing Based on the one video clip that's being shown, Tebow's swing is terrible. It's bad for a high school swing. Sorry folks, it's not going to work. Whoever he paid to help him should be sued for malpractice.
If he has terrific speed, he may be able to beat out all the ground balls he's going to hit.
2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
2forU posted:Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
So you are saying that NFL owners prefer employees who do drugs?
I don't think so.
He swings like a pitcher. After almost a year of work he should be more balanced and not armbar. If he can do it, I'd highly suggest he'd take the PO route.
JCG posted:2forU posted:Tebow got a ton of bad press due to his showing his religious beliefs. Believe it or not, he still does. Lots of conspiracy theories about being blackballed or just not good enough. He did not do drugs, steroids, or drink - did not fit in with the NFL.
So you are saying that NFL owners prefer employees who do drugs?
I don't think so.
You might want to re-read 2forU's response, because that's not what he said.
NFL owners want it all to fly under the radar just like baseball and every other sport. The do not prefer, just expect players do whatever they have to do - with a blind eye. They have to take the high road, they are owners. Now you can also see why they would not want anyone who seemed to openly push religious beliefs / agenda on anyone - true or not, they don't want the perceived problem.
No one picked up Ray Rice after the domestic assault incident. Great running back, had life left in him, very bad mistake, no one wants to deal with the backlash of picking him up. Everyone knew what happened, but he did not get dropped until the video proved it to the owners. Dropped him like the Cowboys drop touchdown passes.
2forU posted:NFL owners want it all to fly under the radar just like baseball and every other sport. The do not prefer, just expect players do whatever they have to do - with a blind eye. They have to take the high road, they are owners. Now you can also see why they would not want anyone who seemed to openly push religious beliefs / agenda on anyone - true or not, they don't want the perceived problem.
Swampboy will shut this down pretty soon if it goes much further, so I'll just say that that vocal Christians hold prominent positions in every field of endeavour in this country, from government, to education, to medicine, and to sports. There is no heathen conspiracy to exclude them. On the contrary. If you want to be a member of an ostracized minority, try being an Atheist. Or a Muslim.
SultanofSwat posted:Love the guy. Hate the swing Based on the one video clip that's being shown, Tebow's swing is terrible. It's bad for a high school swing. Sorry folks, it's not going to work. Whoever he paid to help him should be sued for malpractice.
If he has terrific speed, he may be able to beat out all the ground balls he's going to hit.
Agreed......he may be able to hit a fastball....but he'll never touch a curve. My son's friend had that exact same swing thru HS....all the power in the world on a FB...but a curve....forget it. He's a PO in college now, even though he was one of the most powerful hitters I ever saw. It was natural....nobody could fix it. If someone has been with Tebow for a year and he's still swinging like that, I really don't like his chances.
We could close this thread now if people like. Please, no more religious or political comments because it always leads to a degeneration of a thread like this. Please direct your comments toward the topic - whether or not Tebow is qualified and has a legitimate shot.
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Matt13 posted:2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
NFL teams will sign players with criminal records if it helps them win. In other words they will sign anyone who helps them win. It seems all those players on a knee, handing hands praying together on the did try hard line after games are religious. And they're signed.
Here's my specific response to Tebow not being signed due to religious persecution ... Aaron Rogers. Rogers is very religious. He wears it on his sleeve. He's always willing to talk about his religion. The difference is he's a stud QB.
ClevelandDad posted:We could close this thread now if people like. Please, no more religious or political comments because it always leads to a degeneration of a thread like this. Please direct your comments toward the topic - whether or not Tebow is qualified and has a legitimate shot.
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Good point, I'll delete my last comment about theories! Go Tebow - make it or not.
My 14 year old thinks it would have been a lot easier to go 10 years not playing football and be able to pick it up again rather than not playing baseball for 10 years. Since he plays both I'll have to bend to his judgement on that.
A little something to help the thread along. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl8iYAo90pE 
Tebow swings like McGwire, except McGwire has a bigger and longer arm-bar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uEaFsmob00
(I removed the part about anything illegal or anyone knowing or not)
Tim is trending on Twitter right now. Footage from his workout available for those who give a flying you know what.
Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
bigcubbiefan posted:Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
Funny I don't see that all.
granted there are many ways to swing a bat but I don't think he is all that close.
I probably could have said it better...looks like legit tools to me. The skills have to be developed and they haven't been over the past 10+ years. Don't see it happening but he looks a heck of a lot better swinging a bat than my all time sports hero Michael Jordan did in my eyes.
Man, I watch this: https://twitter.com/TaylorBlak...s/770685383797383168
and think he should be playing football (though not quarterback). 6'3" 255 lb and he was clocked today at 6.65 - 6.82 in the 60. If he were willing to not be a QB, he'd be in the NFL now, IMHO.
Dude has power. Whether it will translate to in-game . . . I'm skeptical.
bigcubbiefan posted:Looks like legit skills to me...+ speed, + power. Would have loved to have seen him do it 5 years sooner. Would think there's going to be a long learning curve to hitting professional pitching and tracking professional fly balls in the outfield.
Watched the video, based on the throws from RF, I can see why he couldn't make it in the NFL as a QB. He runs flyball routes like a DH, too, which even given decent enough speed isn't going to hack it unless he hits a ton.
Jerry. Did you get to go to this?
Tebow's showcase
Insulting.
Interesting article on the workout here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...?tid=pm_sports_pop_b
It winds up:
MLB scouts weigh in on Tim Tebow’s baseball workout - The Washington Post
One scout said he would expect a team to take a flyer for, say, a bonus of around $100,000 and send Tebow to instructional league this fall. Another wondered if any club would want the inevitable sideshow that would come with signing him.
But the Tebow baseball experiment, according to a few who are paid to evaluate such things, almost certainly didn’t end Tuesday.
“I would say at least half of the teams that were here today would have some interest,” the AL scout said. “I don’t know to what extent, and I’m still processing my own thoughts. But at the end of the day, he’s interesting, for sure.”
Well, he won't have to live on $1,500 per month:
Dave Dombrowski wouldn't comment on Tebow's potential. He didn't feel it was right to comment and affect his chances. He did say it's very unlikely the Sox would be involved.
Just read between the lines on what he did say. However, the Sox don't need any 30+ outfielders. They have three young starters (Bradly, Betts and Benintendi), capable backups (Young and Holt) and a loaded farm system.
I find it really funny that the scouts who liked him are willing to give their names. The scouts who didn't all remain "anonymous". Seems some of those guys had already decided that he wasn't going to get a shot. I'm guessing they want to remain anonymous so they don't look like fools if by chance he ends up being worth something. Kind of like him in football.....I think for whatever reason a lot of teams just weren't willing to give him a shot even if they thought he could play. Not sure what this guy has ever done to people....but it seems like the ones who hate him....just hate him
I wished he would of just signed to a team that is willing to work with him and give him a chance. I don't see the need of a tryout and go to the highest bidder type environment.
The Doctor posted:I wished he would of just signed to a team that is willing to work with him and give him a chance. I don't see the need of a tryout and go to the highest bidder type environment.
You see the need. ... hype. The man misses the spotlight.
RJM makes a good point. The sports spotlight is all this kid has known for most of his adult life. The only thing he knows how to do is be an athlete. He has been told how great an athlete he is for so long that he just can't let it go. He has few other marketable skills. His major in "family, community and youth sciences" doesn't give him many options, at least not the options he wants. He's grasping at straws at this point.
You and RJM have made completely unfair conjectures as to the man's motives. Furthermore, the guy has plenty of money, and despite his degree, could go out an do any number of things. His name would get him by in insurance, pharm. sales, opening a car dealership or whatever he wanted. He would kill it.
If Tebow were interested in lime-light, and riches, I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't go the minor league baseball route. Not real glamourous.
If Tebow were a high school senior, people would be drooling over his potential. It's not like he sucks. Is he too old for his level of raw potential? Maybe. But the minors are full of guys who are roster fillers for the real prospects. Are they delusional? Are they in it for the lime-light? Are they taking a true prospect's place?
Matt13 posted:2020dad posted:G There are so many horrific back up and third string qb's in the nfl. I truly believe he is out of work because of his strong religious beliefs. What a sad world we live in.
No, he's out of work because he's no good as an NFL quarterback, not because of some made-up Christian persecution.
Agreed. His strong religious beliefs have nothing to do with it. The real problem is that he can be a good NFL quarterback, but only in a specific system built around him. So, if he's your starter, you're SOL if he goes down because you'll have to change your system entirely for the backup to take over and, if he's your backup, you will need to change your system if he has to take over.
And the scouts that downplayed his baseball performance are realists. He can obviously hit BP, but so can all sorts of people. It's not remotely clear that he's capable of playing a defensive position, and he's almost 30, and the only guys who debut at his age haven't taken a decade off from baseball beforehand.
Teaching Elder posted:You and RJM have made completely unfair conjectures as to the man's motives. Furthermore, the guy has plenty of money, and despite his degree, could go out an do any number of things. His name would get him by in insurance, pharm. sales, opening a car dealership or whatever he wanted. He would kill it.
If Tebow were interested in lime-light, and riches, I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't go the minor league baseball route. Not real glamourous.
If Tebow were a high school senior, people would be drooling over his potential. It's not like he sucks. Is he too old for his level of raw potential? Maybe. But the minors are full of guys who are roster fillers for the real prospects. Are they delusional? Are they in it for the lime-light? Are they taking a true prospect's place?
yes the minors are full of those guys...guys who aren't good enough, lucky enough, missed the window - whatever. Is Tebow one of them? yes I think it is highly probable (I actually think it is certain but it doesn't matter) most of those guys have no skills outside of baseball, no professional network, they have little no name recognition outside the hometown they grew up in and little to no earning potential outside of the game...so where are they are going?
They stay there and get what they can, built the personal network, try get a job with an organization, college, travel team - sell lessons on the line of "former pro-player" Honestly who has spent any reasonable amount of time in higher levels of baseball and doesn't know 10 to 20 former pros coaching u-15 or some random age and giving lessons??
Tebow in theory doesn't need to do that, he isn't going to make the MLB and he is just creating a show...he may be genuine, talented and very good man...I also believe he is an attention freak.