The lastest on A- Rod

sucks to be him. money or not........better with money.

Reason number 47 why I enjoy an amateur game over a pro game ANYDAY!!!!!

Just saw this on MLB network...more disappointment.

No real surprise nowadays. The real surprise would be the players who tested negative and are still the stars.

Maybe no stars passed the test. Would sure like to know who to cheer for these days.

biggest surprise to me is about the players union informing players before the tests.
not to mention they won the argument for the players allowing a 24 hour notice before HGH tests and thats how long it takes to get HGH outve your system.

Is anyone suprised?

Not true re: HGH...a reliable test does not exist.

Foood for thought---this may sound like heresy but Hank Aaron played in the "greenie" era----did he use greenies as many in that era did???

what the heck is a "greenie" ? its quite possible any of the old timers were on steroids too, they were around

I believe "Greenies" were "uppers" or amphetamines. They played the game all amped up.

Back to TR's point, which he beat me to. Have the players changed or has the media changed. Back in the old days the writers didn't rat out players. They traveled and drank with them. No one was looking to bust one of the heroes of the game. The rules changed with the Watergate era. The game of Gotcha was blown wide open with cable tv and the internet. Anyone with a blog can play Gotcha.

Now with cell phone cameras Gotcha is a real easy game to play. A friend's son who plays ball said a player can be sitting at a bar eating, ask a woman next to him to pass the salt and the next thing you know there's a blog with a picture titled " married ballplayer hitting on a woman in a bar."

FWIW,
Son was at dinner one night with some teammates in december talking abut injuries and their respective surgical procedures.
Gentleman at the next table listening intently, asked if they were milb players.
I won't get into who it was, but he played with Tommy John in milb, pitcher. The former player told them that back then you had no surgery options given to you, conditioning didn't exist. You drank heavily after each game to put you to sleep to dull the pain, and then took greenies to amp up before the game, there were two kinds of players, those that took stuff to feel better and those who took stuff to get better, I am not sure what that meant as I am not sure if steroids existed back then.
The gentleman never made it to MLB.

I am not shocked that Arod took steroids, I am sure this was quite prevalent, but he lied when asked.

Will he apologize?

I'll bet everyone would be surprised how short the list is of players who were 100% clean during their careers in the 2000's.

You'd think there would be some "name dropping" through bitterness, jealousy, or the need to be a headline from some players away from the game. But, when your name could also pop up.....mum the word.

agreed and I dont think its changed at all today, im pretty sure about 95% of all players or on SoMETHING illegal

i wouldn't think of greenies as performance enhancing drug's. unless you think staying awake for the whole 9 performane enhancing? well maybe they are. but they didn't help you get stronger.

really not much different than the energy drinks of today, except the energy drinks are sold over the counter,legally.

I hate to bring this up - but it has been in the back of my mind for months - what about Sandy Koufax? From a Lefty's Legacy (a great book BTW)

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cortisone shots in the joint, Empirin with codeine for the pain (which he took every night and sometimes during the fifth inning) and Butazolidin, an anti-inflammatory drug prescribed for broken-down thoroughbreds, so poisonous to humans that its use by them has been prohibited since the '70s. It had one major side effect. "It killed a few people," Jobe said... Koufax regularly used a salve called Capsolin, derived from red hot chili peppers grown in China, ... thick, gooey stuff, which is no longer marketed in the United States.

What he used was not illegal at the time - but it is today. Without it, he would not have been able to pitch.

You just knew when the Feds got hold of the results and the lists...that EVENTUALLY names would get leaked. Why just A-Rod...let all 103 other names out or don't release ANY at all.

lot's of info here, but no other names that i've seen. kind of interesting.

http://www.bizofbaseball.com/

We had a big discussion about this tonight.
Was Arod's name released because he said he never used it? And why was his name the only one released?
Where these guys using it to enhance their performance, or to recover quickly after an injury (ex Petit's claim, Ankiel)? Did a doctor prescribe it or was it passed around the clubhouse when needed?
It was illegal but no penalties, does that make sense, was that MLB's way of saying silently, go ahead it's illegal but we won't punish you? Hurry up and get better and get back in the game before someone else takes your spot. In Arod's case, we a re paying you big bucks, you better perform.

Who really is to blame?

I highly doubt that no one hasn't tried something to get through the grueling season. It's obvious that the classic guys found ways to get through it, obviously with pain killers, alcohol and uppers.

As published today in the Dallas Morning News, the Texas Rangers All-Juiced Team:

CF-Gary Matthews Jr (Mitchell Report)
C-Pudge Rodriguez (Teammate allegation)
SS-Alex Rodriguez (Media Report)
RF-Juan Gonzalez (Teammate allegation)
1B-Rafael Palmeiro (Tested Positive)
3B-Ken Caminiti (Acknowledged)
DH-David Segui (Acknowledged)
2B-Randy Valarde (Mitchell Report)
LF-Chad Allen (Mitchell Report)

As with most Ranger teams, there is no pitching. While the juice may help individual stats, you certainly can't prove it helps winning!

On the news the other day, the caption under the picture was A-Roid. I had to laugh.

And I don't think anyone needs to allege about the incredible shrinking players like Pudge Rodruiguez or Sammy Sosa, it's completely obvious.

If current HOF voting trends continue the list of players not in the HOF could read:

Pete Rose
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmero
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Alex Rodriquez

and the list could grow....

He's a Yankee..............Strike one;
He cheated on his wife.....Strike two;
He used steroids, but was quoted,
before being outed, as saying he
had talent and didn't need them...

Strike Three,

See ya A-Roid.

I have no sympathy for him or any of the other 103; they knew it was illegal when they did it. The fact that our head-in-the-sand sport had no sanction for it in 2003 matters not. It was illegal.

I like what Schilling said,

Out them all, all 103 of them.


If MLB and the Union, Owner's Manager's Coaches Players would of come out in lets say 2005 or 2006 and Apologized and said they made a mistake.
This could all be over by now.
Oh but it will drag on forever.

EH

I would tend to agree. If the players would come clean, maybe baseball then would impose some kind of suspension, we may not be where we are at today.

Except we gets this arrogant denial until they get caught. It is getting old.

Fenway 2009:

"AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!"

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Originally posted by Dad04:
Fenway 2009:

"AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!"

That's from their Yankee-envy and obsession with the 'evil empire'

And they block out the fact he got busted as a Texas Ranger, who's got their share of names of players on the list.

Them peeps up there deny Roid-tiz juiced up and was clean.

Besides, how can anyone take MLB and the MLBPA seriously with the way the whole steroid mess has gone down. The whole league is guilty in one way or another. They've dropped the ball on this wole mess big time.

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Originally posted by zombywoof:

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Originally posted by Dad04:
Fenway 2009:

"AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!"

That's from their Yankee-envy and obsession with the 'evil empire'

And they block out the fact he got busted as a Texas Ranger, who's got their share of names of players on the list.

Them peeps up there deny Roid-tiz juiced up and was clean.

Besides, how can anyone take MLB and the MLBPA seriously with the way the whole steroid mess has gone down. The whole league is guilty in one way or another. They've dropped the ball on this wole mess big time.

That may well all be true, but........
"AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!

AAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYY ROOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIDDDDD!!"

Looks like Joe Torre picked the wrong time for his book to come out.

Keep in mind this all happened prior to the inception of any rules and punishments pertaining to steroids and other PEDS

None on the list 0f 104 players can be punished by baseball

More important to me is WHO ARE THE SUPPLIERS?? Where are the players getting steroids which are illegal on the streets but were "legal" in the clubhouse back then.

Steriod dealers hung out in gyms. Trainers have been documented supplying players and players, or anyone else could, and still can, buy whatever they want at La Pharmacia in Mexico without prescription. A bunch of players ordered HGH from on-line pharmacies.

I thought you needed a viable prescription for medical purposes to use steroids. If so, forget baseball. Weren't these guys breaking the law? What happens to me if the cops stop me coming out of the local gym and find steroids in my bag but I can't cough up a prescription?

Cops were some of the biggest abusers of roids. It wasn't and still isn't a priority for LE. They make more money running speed traps.

In my mind I think they should do away with any asterisks on records and say there is no difference between anyone---- they could all be tainted in some manner ---to me stats are all relative to games played---todays season are extremely longer than years ago and travel conditions are greatly improved


By the way did anyone hear Golic this morning on Mike and Mike---he admitted to using steroids during rehab to speed up recovery time

MLB has had a policy on steroid and drug use since 1991. Problem was lack of specific sanctions.

Use of these drugs without a medical-condition driven prescription was also against Federal Law long before these guys were pro ballplayers. So, unlike the over-the-counter greenies in use in the '40's into the '70's (when they became a controlled substance), these guys, MLB, and the PA are not in any way clear.

They didn't do this thinking it was right.

1991 Steroid Policy

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Originally posted by zombywoof:

Besides, how can anyone take MLB and the MLBPA seriously with the way the whole steroid mess has gone down. The whole league is guilty in one way or another. They've dropped the ball on this wole mess big time.

Not only do I agree with this, but I believe this is the real story here. It seems (or at least he has tried to make it see) that Bud Selig has really tried to clean up steroid use in the game. But he's fighting a losing battle with the MLBPA working against him. (I am referring to the report by SI.com that the CEO of the PA tipped off A-rod of an impending drug test within the month.)

A local columnist made this startling analogy: "The steroids web now includes Clemens, Bonds and Rodriguez -- the equivalent of Jordan, Bird and Magic being caught fixing NBA games..." Now, the cogency of sed analogy depends on whether or not you would put steroid use and fixing games on the same level, but it made me think

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By the way did anyone hear Golic this morning on Mike and Mike---he admitted to using steroids during rehab to speed up recovery time

He droned on and on about football steroid use in the late 80's trying to draw the analogy to baseball. It is analagous, but he beat it into the ground with ancient history. I'd be surprised if he only used once to recover from a shoulder injury. I'm interested in Arod's reaction but not so much Golic's. He'd better fess up if he juiced or he will get completely buried ala Clemens, Bonds and McWire. Hopefully he'll think twice before attending the Roger Clemens School for Public Relations & Damage Control. What an unmitigated disaster that is.

NAME DROP ALERT:

Golic used to own a video store in my neighborhood when he played for the Eagles and run the cash register in his Eagles jogging suit. He's a trip.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Reason number 47 why I enjoy an amateur game over a pro game ANYDAY!!!!!

oh, yeah...'cause we all know the amateurs don't mess with that stuff.

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oh, yeah...'cause we all know the amateurs don't mess with that stuff.

PUH LEEZE.

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Originally posted by Dad04:
NAME DROP ALERT:

Golic used to own a video store in my neighborhood when he played for the Eagles and run the cash register in his Eagles jogging suit. He's a trip.

And the film he always recommended to his customers...

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