What To Do if HS Coach Doesn't Believe in Helping Recruit Players?

Is there any way that you and other concerned parents could go collectively to the AD and principal to discuss the situation? There is strength in numbers and perhaps the higher-ups will respond to your concerns.

If you know this to be fact. And you can prove it. Then you and the other concerned parents should schedule a meeting with the AD. Provide the proof that this is in fact going on and see what he is going to do about it. If you show the proof and the AD does not address this issue immediately then take it above the AD's head.

players should be attending hs showcases, attending baseball camp or tournaments. As far as the HS coach, any college recruitor with 1/2 brain is not gonna care one bit what a hs coach thinks.He will see the player for himself and give his opinion whether they can play or not.

I agree with the other replies, contact the AD in a constructive manner and at least get it to a point of him notifying the student-athlete that a school has contacted him and handing over all the letters that may arrive.

But, I always feel it should be on the families to be in control of where the player is being marketed, if you are interested in a school, be proactive and contact them, don't wait for them to contact you!

If they are interested and they want to contact your coach to confirm, it is less of a deal that he does not rely. You can also help out by besides giving the high school coaches contact information, also put down your travel team’s coach’s information as well, if you have one.

Downandout:

Trust me, yours is not the only HS coach that feels this way. My son went to a very high profile school with a very deep track record of kids moving on to higher levels of baseball. However, most of that track record occured after the kids left the HS (most via a local JC).

Work the process. Market your kid; write the letters, call the coaches, go to showcases, have them play on quality trournament programs. If your kid is good enough he will find a spot.

Our son's coach was the same way, wouldn't extend himself to help. Yet, if you understand his point of view, it is not his job, it is your son's job to earn a place to play.

He not only would not help, he would not even complete/sign college questionaire. What we did was to work around him. My son worked hard on the field, was respectful and put in a solid effort. For this when the coach was asked by prospective colleges what they thought of my son, he was able to speak positively, that is all you need from a coach and frankly all that some coaches will do.

I know it is very frustrating but ultimatly you will need to find out what the coach is doing will likely help you work the system to find a place which makes sense for your son.

Good luck!

When a HS coach is telling college coaches that call that he does not have any college players thats a problem. Some kids can not afford to attend showcase events. They work all summer and fall. Some do not have the means to do what others can do. College coaches in our area call every year to get names of local kids in programs. Is it the end of the road if you have a coach like this? No. But it should not be a hurdle that you have to worry about jumping over. I am one coach that does believe it is part of your job. Contact coaches , help them get to showcase events , help them fill out questionaires etc etc. But to say that hs baseball is irrelevent in the process is not true at least around here. Many of our players have to work to help support their families. They have jobs and they sacrifice during the hs season not working. As soon as the season is over they go to work at jobs. If the coach is doing what he says he is doing he needs to be removed from his posistion. The coach should be helping anyway he can , not hindering anyway he can. My son and a team mate were scouted several times this hs season by local college coaches. Some still go to hs games to see players. But regardless of all that. For a coach to not help his players anyway he can is ridiculous. Anyone with this type of mentality has no business coaching at the HS level in the first place.

downandout - Son's high school coach was very similar - undoubtedly came from basic jealousy about your son moving on, and he did not... He would tell us about invites to camps after the fact, or that certain colleges were showing interest, or on visits we'd be told by college coaches how "strange" his responses were to their questions.

Although I generally agree with Coach May - I am not sure it would make sense to go to the AD or principal. We did that, and asked that our remarks be kept in "confidence" (they weren't) and the coach resented it as he did against every parent's kid who complained. Silly, but part of the dark side of human nature.

I agree with Frank Martin - you should be controlling the contact, not the coach as the college scouts don't care what the high school coach thinks. High school stats are often inflated, and coaches opinions are not the basis of recruiting - only a minor factor. No coach will recruit your son based on what the high school coach says. He will put his eyes on him and make up his own mind. Let him see you at the showcases, college camps, and national tournament games and then follow it up with a letter.

That is great if you can afford to spend the money that it takes to be on the showcase circuit. Go to the naional events. Etc etc etc. This is not an option for some kids. It may not be an option for the starter of this thread I dont know. Transfer to a program where the coach works for his players. Or get some other parents together and find out what the problem really is with this coach. Dont sit back and just take it if this is in fact going on. Its not problem for the kid that has a support system at home that will help him. Its no problem for the family with the financial means to showcase. But this is not the case for every player. And again. What kind of person is coaching your son? What kind of person would not want to help kids? What kind of coach could he possibly be if he is not in it to actually help his players in any way possible. Why play for someone like this?

I respect Coach May and other coaches who take the time to help there players.

But even if Coach May was my Son's coach.
I would still Market and be Pro Active in the search for a college to play baseball at.
A HS Coach can help.
But he is not the end all be all for your recruiting process.

Parents/Coaches sometimes feel if your good enough they'll find you.
WRONG.
You have to go find it in most cases.
College camps are a great way to get a schools attention.
EH

I actually have talked to ADs and those in charge of high school associations within their state. I’ve been told at times that it’s not their job and they don’t spend any time worrying about the next level for outstanding players. The standout doesn’t require more attention than any of the others associated with their programs. I think it’s an equality thing. Surely someone else has experienced this mind set! Not saying they’re wrong, just don’t agree with them.

To ALL
Thanks for the advice, it really is appreciated.

TO ILVBB, Thanks a bunch, I really do agree with working around the situation. Like the others points it is very frustrating and yes the AD should know, but they would only hold your kid hostage. I'll play the game and work the system.

I do understand that all kids cannot go to the next level, and that you must have the tools. I also agree that it is not the coaches job to "sell" you
to a college. But all it takes is putting the kids name down on the prospect form and sending it back in their prepaid self addressed envelope. Its not that hard and again its just a coaches opinion. So what?

So now that we know this is the case at other schools, and the coaches opinion possibly doesn't matter, why even bother playing for them your senior year? If you have enough credits at Christmas break, they can't hold you, just walk away and go play at a Juco, while earning more college hours.

HS baseball is about memories that you carry a lifetime.
Don't cheat the process.
It's a part of growing up, It's where you get your first Fan base.
People in your Hometown follow players that go on to college and play sport's.
It's part of Americona.
Have Fun this Year, Thats what it's all about.
EH

Why does any hs coach need to fill out a prospect form? The college coach sees a player, either he likes him or he does not. Who cares what his HS coach think about his abilty.

Good example had a ball player in a HS showcase. Played for a top travel team.Attended area code games trials. He transfered schools, new hs coach told him he did not need him. So no HS ball his senior year. Had a tryout arranged during his senior year at a JUCO college, who offered him a scholarship on the spot. The player ended up starting and hit well for that JUCO.

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Originally posted by downandout:
Sad, but true, our HS baseball coaches do not believe in helping any kid get to the next level. "Nope, not my job" , all letters from recruiters and schools trashed. Really terrible, I understand that its not their job, fine. But not telling players of inquiries and telling recruiters on the phone that "we have no one capable" is ridiculous. We have had many talented players, but you are on your own if you want to play ball past high school. What a terrible situation!!!

Whole lot of different stuff going on here as well as the advice given.
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone's opinion.
If coaches are calling HS coaches to ask if there are any players he recommends that's a tricky situation, but you have not indicated this has happened. Besides, I would prefer that a college coach find other ways to find players than sitting at his desk making phone calls. Are you expecting the HS coach to help your son in the recruiting process (helping him by contacting coaches) many HS coaches will not do that, as indicated by PG.

A little bit more info would be helpful in your dilemma for giving advice.

If a player received mail addressed to him at the school, given to the coach to give to that player and he destroys it, that's a whole different issue.
Then you have every reason in the world for a trip to the AD's office, however as Coach May suggests, make sure you have all the facts first.



JMO.

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Originally posted by downandout:
To ALL
Thanks for the advice, it really is appreciated.

TO ILVBB, Thanks a bunch, I really do agree with working around the situation. Like the others points it is very frustrating and yes the AD should know, but they would only hold your kid hostage. I'll play the game and work the system.

I do understand that all kids cannot go to the next level, and that you must have the tools. I also agree that it is not the coaches job to "sell" you
to a college. But all it takes is putting the kids name down on the prospect form and sending it back in their prepaid self addressed envelope. Its not that hard and again its just a coaches opinion. So what?

So now that we know this is the case at other schools, and the coaches opinion possibly doesn't matter, why even bother playing for them your senior year? If you have enough credits at Christmas break, they can't hold you, just walk away and go play at a Juco, while earning more college hours.

I didn't see this post.

I am still a bit confused as to what you feel the coaches role should or shouldn't be.
Do you feel that he should put your son's name on a prospect sheet. Why? Is your son a prospect?

Are you upset because he didn't fill out a questionaire? That's just plain rude and lazy in my opinion.

I personally would never expect a HS coach to pick out certain players and name them as prospects, but I would expect him to fill out questionaires and take any phone calls regarding my son. That would make me upset.

I really aprreciate all the advice and responses and as Tiger Paw Mom pointed out, maybe I should be more specific about this situation. This problem is very disturbing to me because it involves baseball and my son. But really the problem is bigger than that, not all public schools were created equal. And I'm not trying to debate this topic but merely to point out that our schools AD loves football, so everything else as far as recruiting is concerned is not essential. And for that matter even academics aren't really pushed, its really sad in my opinion. Some schools are known for powerhouse football and others for baseball or whatever they choose as their focus. Football brings in lots more money, but thats another topic. I have spent a lot of time reading this board and learned a whole lot, so many thanks to all. We are just in a spot and it is frustrating to not see any support. My son does play for a traveling team and we have gone to showcases, they really do work to provide exposure. So, I think he'll be okay. But we will never know who has called and what was said because of this mentality. Its really lousy, and as someone pointed out hs bball is for the experiences, which is great. But why even bother not knowing what they are saying, graduate early and go to a JUCO. Its their loss.

Coach May has hit it on the head - several times. HS coaches job duties do include recruiting. Now granted he probably cannot make a phone call and get a kid a scholarship but he can fill out the paperwork and answer questions. But if you rely completely on the HS coach you might be taking a risk because college coaches can't watch the HS season usually.

Baseball is becoming high level socioeconomic sport - meaning only people who have money can move on. Look at the costs of equipment, travel teams, private coaches, showcases etc... and the kid that Coach May is talking about doesn't have a chance. Unless the HS coach helps. What I do is schedule teams that have great players. There is a good chance a college coach(es) will probably be there to watch the other team - if my kids impress then great. Not a surefire solution but it's something.

I tell all my kids about every showcase and camp I can but not all of them can go. I have drove kids to showcases before just so they could be there. Some even got offers because of this.

I also don't believe there should be an equality issue either - some kids can play at the next level and some cannot.

Another situation I have faced is some parents thought I don't push my kids because I wouldn't call a school they wanted. One player for instance thought he could play shortstop at a DI SEC school. I believed he could play 2B or OF at a lower level. He wanted me to call this school and I would not because he couldn't play there. I got trashed in the community by this kids parents.

He tries to walk on at the SEC school his freshman year and gets cut. He goes to a JUCO and they play him at 2B and OF - he quits. He tries to walk on at the SEC school two more times and gets cut each time. This kid played one semester of college ball because he was disillusioned and wouldn't listen to me.

A HS coaches opinion IS important and needs to be listened to by the parents. Not saying this is the case but some coaches just won't call the schools the kids and parents want. If I call an SEC school every time a kid wants to go there I lose all credibility with that school and if I do have a kid who can play there - he is going to lose out probably because of the earlier calls.

Recruiting is not an easy process and most people will go about it differently. Remember most college athletes (all sports) do the recruiting themselves by putting themselves out there - the studs are found regardless where they play but those are few and far between.

All that said - there are some HS coaches who are jerks and don't need to be doing it.

As posted by PGstaff "Not saying they're wrong, just don't agree with them.

With all due respect, you ARE wrong about that. They ARE wrong, and should be held accountable. This is one of my all-time irritating issues about some hs coaches and administrators. They are supposed to be EDUCATORS, and it is part and parcel of their job to help furhter their students educations. Helping them move on to the next level is part of that responsibility, if for no other reason than it helps them further their education.

I've dealt with a few coaches who felt it wasn't their responsibility to help kids move on past high school. In every case, it was nothing more than petty jealousy on the coach's part. Those type of people have no business coaching at any level, and they are WRONG, very wrong!

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by downnout: our HS baseball coaches do not believe in helping any kid get to the next level ... all it takes is putting the kids name down on the prospect form and sending it back in their prepaid self addressed envelope

if you are troubled that hs coach won't "recommend" players you're too sensitive -


1) it's not at all uncommon

2) hsbbweb info can help a player be successful w/recruiting even w/hs coach out of the loop

3) any college inquiring specificly about YOUR PLAYER to hs coach is also sending stuff directly to YOU

4) meetings w/AD will change the situation from a "guy not helping" to "a guy not helping AND pist off at you"

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quote by 06catcherdad
As posted by PGstaff "Not saying they're wrong, just don't agree with them.

With all due respect, you ARE wrong about that. They ARE wrong, and should be held accountable. This is one of my all-time irritating issues about some hs coaches and administrators.

I understand the concern and did mention I don't agree with them. I can tell you that I've heard this several times from ADs and administrators (I didn't mention coaches BTW) Usually the things I hear involve something like, "We work for everyone, rather than just the individuals who have the most talent". Once again, I understand what they're saying, but don't agree "completely" with that thinking. Here is the post...

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I actually have talked to ADs and those in charge of high school associations within their state. I’ve been told at times that it’s not their job and they don’t spend any time worrying about the next level for outstanding players. The standout doesn’t require more attention than any of the others associated with their programs. I think it’s an equality thing. Surely someone else has experienced this mind set! Not saying they’re wrong, just don’t agree with them.

The HS coach is a different subject. We have experienced many who will do everything possible to help an individual and we've run across many who will do nothing to help. Unfortunately there are some who actually cause harm to their player by providing inaccurate information to others and advice to the player. I do believe a good HS coach should try to help his players reach the next level, if possible, but he can only do so much.

I recall that colleges sent letters to son at his high school's address, included in those letters were evaluation forms to be completed by his coach. Some he gave to the high school coach to complete and some were sent to his scout team coach.
As others have said be pro active,make sure the colleges your son is interested in have his summers coaches name and number. I'm sure college coaches realize that not all high school coaches are created equal

I think PG is right here. I heard the same when I worked under a head coach for 4 yrs. The Ad agreed with the coach that it wasn't his area of concern.
I argued that he was a math teacher and he always commented that the kids had to work harder on math if they wanted to succeed in the real world. He took pains to give extra help and wrote a couple of academic scholly letters. He would not write baseball letters of recommendation for any players.
I saw it as a clear case of jealousy on his part.
I wrote several letters and made calls on my own as an assistant.
Many coaches are teachers and they all claim they are trying to make a difference in a students life. If the student happens to play ball, he should receive the same help as any other student.

IN between people playing Dr Phil, the player in question says he been to several HS Showcases and played travel ball. OK so what did he do at these events, 60 YD , release times, batspeed, MPH. If he looked good colleges will be calling you and offering you on the spot.

If you dont like the response you are getting call up some JUCO's and colleges and ask to get worked out.

Another thing, if the HS coach in question sees you are trashing him on message boards and elsewhere your kid will likely gonna pay for it.

I'm very new to this process but some of the questionaires we have been asked to fill out include a page to be filled out by the coach. If a coach has 10 kids each year (which is a lot) that need this how much time would it take? I personally would not ask a coach to call a school on my sons behalf. However, I do think if a form is given to a coach by a kid the coach should take the time to fill it out. One mailed by a school I think could be a little different because there could be many and most the kid is not truly interested in. That all being said I am told that one of the best ways to get noticed is to attend a camp at a school you are interested in. My son and I had this conversation a day or two ago and we are going to umpire together during the summer to raise money to go to a couple of them.

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Originally posted by downandout:
I really aprreciate all the advice and responses and as Tiger Paw Mom pointed out, maybe I should be more specific about this situation. This problem is very disturbing to me because it involves baseball and my son. But really the problem is bigger than that, not all public schools were created equal. And I'm not trying to debate this topic but merely to point out that our schools AD loves football, so everything else as far as recruiting is concerned is not essential. And for that matter even academics aren't really pushed, its really sad in my opinion. Some schools are known for powerhouse football and others for baseball or whatever they choose as their focus. Football brings in lots more money, but thats another topic. I have spent a lot of time reading this board and learned a whole lot, so many thanks to all. We are just in a spot and it is frustrating to not see any support. My son does play for a traveling team and we have gone to showcases, they really do work to provide exposure. So, I think he'll be okay. But we will never know who has called and what was said because of this mentality. Its really lousy, and as someone pointed out hs bball is for the experiences, which is great. But why even bother not knowing what they are saying, graduate early and go to a JUCO. Its their loss.

Football rules wherever you go!
What you are experiencing is not uncommon. FWIW, some college coaches are the same, some will do whatever they can to help the player get to the next level, and others won't even give out the questionaires to their players. That's why most hold scout days, that's also what our HS coach did.
When son was being recruited, he told son to fill out the questionaires and give them to him with a self addressed stamped envelope to return to the coaches. He was very helpful in that regard, but I do not think he felt it was his responsibility to help his players beyone that. He is very proud of my son, but he also knows that he was not the one who took the calls regarding son, that was his travel coach, who shared a much different relationship with his players as that was a large part of his program, to help players get to the next level.
Take ownership of the situation, it's up to you and your son to do the necessary work in preparing for his future, no one elses.
If college coaches are really interested in your son, they won't stop because the HS coach doesn't respond to his inquiries.

Some high school coaches are "baseball guys" and some are not. The unwritten rule among baseball guys since the beginning of time has been that you help the prospect reach the next level. This is what expected at every level up to the major leagues.

Some high school coaches just do not like the feeling of being obligated to help. Perhaps no one helped them...perhaps no one cared. They are not "baseball guys".


At our high school we had a coach who first needed to know how you could help him before he would provide help to you. He asked our son to join his summer travel team, which our son politely declined. Recruiting letters weren't delivered, treatment became abusive. Things got worse when it became clear son was a draft prospect. Coach would remove son from games when area scouts and national cross-checkers arrived to see him. Not a good situation but this guy was worse than bad. School won 5 straight state football championships and the AD couldn't even spell baseball.

Bottom line is there are a LOT of non-baseball guys out there. You have to either find the real baseball guys to help your son, or do the helping yourself.

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Originally posted by coach2709:

If I call an SEC school every time a kid wants to go there I lose all credibility with that school and if I do have a kid who can play there - he is going to lose out probably because of the earlier calls.

Well put coach....well put. I believe a high school coach who wants to truly see any of his boys succeed in life especially at the next level, they will fill out the questionnaire's, make a few wise calls, recommend the good showcases, etc. Why? Because they are human, or, should be. I also think if we as parents are going to put so much stock in our HS coaches to help then we better be willing to listen to HIS perspective and point of view as to the abilities of our sons. You have to stop and think a second about what the coach is dealing with. At times he is dealing with a 2-headed monster - a disillusioned player AND disillusioned parents as to what level the player can play at.

I personally find it hard to believe that a player and his parents think there son is destined to a Division 1 program when he is a 2nd string position role player all season. JMO. I'm not saying he couldn't make it somewhere else at the next level, but just trying to point out what a HS coach does deal with most likely on a yearly basis.

Our ex-baseball coach was just like the one downandout spoke of. Couldn't care less if a player played after high school. He was looked down on by many in the community as a thoughtless and careless person and oh yes, coach. Our new coach last year thrives on getting players to the next level so much so that he even drove some to showcases last summer. I guess it's a difference in philosophy and/or human traits.

With respect to our new coach throughout the process by keeping him up to date with what was happening, etc. we set out to make the appropriate contacts, attend showcases, take tours, private workouts, etc. etc...and it paid off for son. During all of this my son learned fairly quickly what level he was and wasn't cut out to play.

Keep in mind that some HS coaches have no idea how to go about helping a player in the recruiting process---it is not a matter of not caring or jealousy---many just do not flat out have any idea how to go about it

I recall my sons coach, he had been around some 30 years and was a great guy, calling me at work and asking why he was getting all these calls about my son--I asked him simply " Does it bother you? Am I hurting my son?" His answer was NO---but he knew nothing of the process--at a football game one Saturday afternoon he came to me and asked" I got a call from Fresno State yesterday. Who are they?"

To this day we are still good friends

Sometimes it just ignorance and not malice

On the other hand my sons AD was on top of everything---he would call me at work to alert me to what scouts/coaches were attending the game that day

e mail me at rb@azdiamondreport.com to discuss this

rb..nice website.

Just a suggestion. Why don't you include any D2, NAIA, D3, or JUCO signings on the site, if applicable?

Baseball at ANY level is an honor and should be touted IMHO.

Just wondering...how many non-sports teachers spend time worrying about whether any of their "good" students make it to the next level? Less than 1% I suspect.

Most hs coaches do not provide any advice or assistance to players regarding the "process" regardless of their talent.

If you know your son has a history of "bringing home the hardware" eg, awards, then IMHO it is a parents responsibility to "help" their son through the "process".

With the internet available to all students at their schools there is no reason for a young athlete to lack from potential access to the information they need to find coaches, programs, and colleges to expose their talents.

If a kid has the talent funds are not an issue since all of the private baseball programs offer scholarships to kids who cannot afford to foot the bill on their own.
JMO.

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by TR: Keep in mind that some HS coaches have no idea how to go about helping a player in the recruiting process---it is not a matter of not caring or jealousy

very good point ... also be prepared to bring your school's guidance conselors up to speed on the NCAA Clearinghouse and core course requirements

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by lorton: Funds are not an issue since all of the private baseball programs are required to offer scholarships to kids who cannot afford to foot the bill on their own

care to elaborate?

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As far as the HS coach, any college recruitor with 1/2 brain is not gonna care one bit what a hs coach thinks.

I coached high school for over 25 years and spent many hours on the phone answering questions concerning playing ability character and academic merit. Also spent time filling out forms sent by college coaches. many of my players went on to play at the next level. Even a few played professionally. I worked hard over those years to develop my teams and my players both on the field and off. I made sure they took their academics seriously and had the grades and SAT scores to be able to be successful. I suppose these college coaches had less than half a brain?

I and other high school coaches did my job and I did it well despite what some on this site might believe.

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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by lorton: Funds are not an issue since all of the private baseball programs are required to offer scholarships to kids who cannot afford to foot the bill on their own

care to elaborate?

American Baseball Coaches Association Links, Scholarships

The National Sanctioning Bodies for Youth Sports provide in their bylaws provide that no player shall be deprived from the opportunity to play baseball because of lack of funds by the player or his guardian. However, if your private ball team plays in any of the leagues whose member teams are governed by the rules of that member body then the private ball team should be made to comply with the rules of that league regarding the scholarship clauses for players. But those rules are seldom or not enforced.

Check with the league directors for the bylaws to get the clarification on scholarships for players.

FYI: books on baseball scholarships

Our HS changed coaches a year ago, so we've seen the high and the low on this.

The prior coach didn't help much at all. In all candor, he was not widely regarded as a "baseball man" and thus, his opinion was not all that respected by recruiters. But mostly, he was reactive in the sense of handling incoming calls, but not proactive in the sense of helping kids identify schools where they might find a home and then calling up those schools' coaches.

The other thing he didn't understand is that so much of the recruiting work happens before the senior season. Some of our guys just plain missed the boat by being too late to the party. This is getting to be a bigger and bigger issue, as more and more college programs finish their recruiting by fall of the senior year and may have no scholarship money left to spend by spring time.

We got the "heads up" on this early on, that we should plan on making our own way in the world without his help. We were also fortunate in that while I was running a travel team at the time, I was focused on sound instruction and not knowledgeable at all about the national recruiting opportunities available. My son was fortunate to be seen and recruited to another team that was already traveling nationally, esp. to PG's WWBA events.

Our new HS coach came to this with really no experience but he keeps an open mind and he does put in the effort. He is learning what helps and what doesn't. He is already helping some of our underclassmen in the pipeline and I suspect that as he continues to learn the ropes he will make a big difference for kids.

In their defense, these coaches don't get paid to work 24/7. Some of them do, just because they want to do things right. But they all have families to raise and support, too.

On the other hand, a lot of HS coaches would profit from discarding their disdain for elite travel baseball and helping their freshmen and sophomores find slots on the best travel teams for summer and fall. I can't tell you how many HS coaches I see who think HS ball is the pinnacle, that there is no off season opportunity greater than American Legion, and that travel teams are nothing but a waste of money. Unfortunately some are just trapped in thinking that is 12-15 years behind the times, and they simply are not aware of the opportunities that are out there today.

First why does a college coach need to contact the HS Coach anyways. If a college coach seen the player at a baseball camp, showcase or tournament, they likley have all the player information already.

His HS schedule is likley online. So only thing else is he coachable?

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By Will... I and other high school coaches did my job and I did it well despite what some on this site might believe

Will,

I would bet that you were a great coach. I’ve read your input on here for quite awhile and there’s no doubt that you really care about the game and your former players. Not once have I seen you involved in a discussion for self promotional purposes. Your thoughts should always be respected because you're here for the right reason.

I think you were a hard nosed, old fashion coach and there sure isn’t anything wrong with that. I wish there were a lot more just like you and the other truly good ones.

LLorton,
Neat site, thank you very much!

PG Staff

I appreciate your comments. Just had to defend those that coach at the high school level. I get rather annoyed at some of the general comments directed to high school coaches.