I have worked in 3 high schools.....with AD's....they do get a lot of parental complaints...it's part of their job....and they expect and accept that.....I have seen a few coaches removed from their positions...for conduct...not for failing to win games.....you have to trust the AD and administration...if...and that is a big if....you feel you have a legitimate complaint.....
We just can't dismiss all parents as being wrong....nor accept that coaches are incapable of doing wrong......anymore than we can decide who is right or wrong in Obrady's original post.....
Common sense....No?......
Lady,
Hope that you got my pm. Sorry about that.
The only thing is that here, where I live, when my son was in HS, I never really saw the situation so bad enough that coach would have to be dismissed. Not that parents DID not try, to use their influence. I just thought most was nonsense.
The story I tried to relay about what happended my son's senior year was typical. Parents would complain that the coach was not good enough, hadn't been to a regional in years. And when their sons were benched for cutting coaches class, when we HAD the opportunity to advance, (the coach did his job that year), they still called for his head for benching the players. It was their sons who messed up, NOT teh COACH.
Do know that if I thought that coach ever was in misconduct or harmed a player or degraded a player verbally, I would be the first one at the AD's office.
I am kind of set in my ways I suppose and I do see things maybe a bit different than others. Some people believe HS ball should only be for those who might go to the next level. I don't feel that's what HS ball is about. And despite our talent here in FL most HS programs aren't run on that premise. And from what I have seen, no matter who plays, there is always a parent who is happy, the coach did this, the coach didn't do that.
Hope that you got my pm. Sorry about that.
The only thing is that here, where I live, when my son was in HS, I never really saw the situation so bad enough that coach would have to be dismissed. Not that parents DID not try, to use their influence. I just thought most was nonsense.
The story I tried to relay about what happended my son's senior year was typical. Parents would complain that the coach was not good enough, hadn't been to a regional in years. And when their sons were benched for cutting coaches class, when we HAD the opportunity to advance, (the coach did his job that year), they still called for his head for benching the players. It was their sons who messed up, NOT teh COACH.
Do know that if I thought that coach ever was in misconduct or harmed a player or degraded a player verbally, I would be the first one at the AD's office.
I am kind of set in my ways I suppose and I do see things maybe a bit different than others. Some people believe HS ball should only be for those who might go to the next level. I don't feel that's what HS ball is about. And despite our talent here in FL most HS programs aren't run on that premise. And from what I have seen, no matter who plays, there is always a parent who is happy, the coach did this, the coach didn't do that.
For what it is worth. I did it for a long time. I coached the kids did the best I could. I coached kids played and parents watched the game. There were boundries. I was friendly with the parents but I kept a professional distance. I felt that when I had them in practice and the games they were my responsibility. Now the boundries are not as clearly defined.
Will:
It appears that you were a good coach. The kids and families that were involved with your program are the better for it.
The boundary probably has been blurred somewhat...and I agree with you...that is not good.
Our HS lost, in my opinion, a good coach a couple of years ago because of parent meddling.
It was frustrating...the trouble is that his replacement isn't that much of a baseball guy...and the AD is not a baseball guy at all.
Again...all I'm pitching for here is a baseball guy to run the baseball program...win or lose...doesn't matter that much...it's just tough to see a program struggle because it's leader isn't a baseball guy!
It appears that you were a good coach. The kids and families that were involved with your program are the better for it.
The boundary probably has been blurred somewhat...and I agree with you...that is not good.
Our HS lost, in my opinion, a good coach a couple of years ago because of parent meddling.
It was frustrating...the trouble is that his replacement isn't that much of a baseball guy...and the AD is not a baseball guy at all.
Again...all I'm pitching for here is a baseball guy to run the baseball program...win or lose...doesn't matter that much...it's just tough to see a program struggle because it's leader isn't a baseball guy!
quote:These are advance placement athletes and deserve that level of coaching
It sounds to me like they have an average HS coach - but what they want is a GREAT coach.
If their goal is to turn HS baseball into "elite" baseball - I would avoid their little revolt like the plague.
I do agree that the Baseball Team should be ran by A Baseball guy,
But it should be up to the AD to decide, with just a very little Info comeing from a well respected parent committee.
and not at Revolt committee, we get are way are else.
Most of these parents Boys probably play in the high profile tournament in Obrady's area. and are use to very good coaching at that level. Its hard to step backwards to incompitence.
But it is what needs to be done. Stay out of it.
But it should be up to the AD to decide, with just a very little Info comeing from a well respected parent committee.
and not at Revolt committee, we get are way are else.
Most of these parents Boys probably play in the high profile tournament in Obrady's area. and are use to very good coaching at that level. Its hard to step backwards to incompitence.
But it is what needs to be done. Stay out of it.
theEH:
My point in this thread was primarily that...a baseball guy should run the baseball program.
You and AParent raise some specific points...only obrady can tackle those.
Our problem at our HS is really the AD...after a meddling mob ran off the last coach, who was a baseball guy, the AD selected a non- baseball guy to run the program...now we have two newly hired coaches in the building who have baseball experience...one has even coached at the collegiate level.
Since being in the building is a criteria for coaching then either of these two are qualified to coach...actually one is the sophomore coach and the other is the varsity assistant.
I would be happy if the assistant is able to, within the direction of the head coach, impart as much influence as possible on the team.
I'm hopeful because the head coach is the type of guy that may allow this to be done...if that happens...and everyone is agreeable...then our problem is essentially solved. Solved without any of the parents getting involved. I'm hopeful!
quote:Originally posted by theEH:
I do agree that the Baseball Team should be ran by A Baseball guy,
My point in this thread was primarily that...a baseball guy should run the baseball program.
You and AParent raise some specific points...only obrady can tackle those.
Our problem at our HS is really the AD...after a meddling mob ran off the last coach, who was a baseball guy, the AD selected a non- baseball guy to run the program...now we have two newly hired coaches in the building who have baseball experience...one has even coached at the collegiate level.
Since being in the building is a criteria for coaching then either of these two are qualified to coach...actually one is the sophomore coach and the other is the varsity assistant.
I would be happy if the assistant is able to, within the direction of the head coach, impart as much influence as possible on the team.
I'm hopeful because the head coach is the type of guy that may allow this to be done...if that happens...and everyone is agreeable...then our problem is essentially solved. Solved without any of the parents getting involved. I'm hopeful!
quote:Our problem at our HS is really the AD...after a meddling mob ran off the last coach, who was a baseball guy
It does happen because people who are "administrators' let it
My point is which set of parents are right the set that came before your set of parents are the set that will come three years from now. and then three more years later another set.
Its a never ending story. the EH
Its a never ending story. the EH
It is all a matter of experience. what side of the equation you are on. I look at it from the coaches side. that is my experince. After I left I attemded a game. sitting in the stands all I heard was why is the coach doing this or my kid should be playing Why is so and so playing 3rd . all I wanted to do was watch a game.when I do attend I sit in a quiet place.
Will,
Thats all part of the game for us parents, the problem is we don't no when to shut up. LOL
It comes from all us youth coaching dads that think we know something about baseball.
Be kind to us, we no not what we do.
But we try, we learn from our mistakes.
some sooner than others. the EH
Thats all part of the game for us parents, the problem is we don't no when to shut up. LOL
It comes from all us youth coaching dads that think we know something about baseball.
Be kind to us, we no not what we do.
But we try, we learn from our mistakes.
some sooner than others. the EH
quote:Thats all part of the game for us parents, the problem is we don't no when to shut up. LOL
It comes from all us youth coaching dads that think we know something about baseball.
I know when to shut up and I know PLENTY about the game of baseball.
I'll publicly praise a deserving kid that may even be in direct competition with my kid...the truth is the truth...and my kid(s) need to know that.
The way to get on top is through hard work, playing excellent, being coachable, and hustle...always.
I've found that spreading deserved and earned compliments to others tends to perk people up and helps to diminish the negative talk.
It's funny how they always agree with these compliments!
The way to get on top is through hard work, playing excellent, being coachable, and hustle...always.
I've found that spreading deserved and earned compliments to others tends to perk people up and helps to diminish the negative talk.
It's funny how they always agree with these compliments!
beenthere; Quote: I know when to shut up and I know PLENTY about the game of baseball.
You just made my POINT.
You just made my POINT.
I just had to resurrect this post;
As some of you know our coach is a FOOTBALL guy, and there are many baseball parents who hate it. The football mentality has cased a serious problem with our #1 pitcher. First of all that pitched the guy in 5 straight games, either as a start or in short relief. The other day they wanted him to start and he told that that his arm hurt. What was the response? What would a football coach say to a player? Tough it out and pitch. The kid’s arm is so soar now that he can throw. Of course they still ran him out there to play third in last nights game.
I’m about to join the chant “the guy’s gotta go!”
PS we are in a 5 game losing streak, much of it, in my opinion, is poor coaching decisions.
As some of you know our coach is a FOOTBALL guy, and there are many baseball parents who hate it. The football mentality has cased a serious problem with our #1 pitcher. First of all that pitched the guy in 5 straight games, either as a start or in short relief. The other day they wanted him to start and he told that that his arm hurt. What was the response? What would a football coach say to a player? Tough it out and pitch. The kid’s arm is so soar now that he can throw. Of course they still ran him out there to play third in last nights game.
I’m about to join the chant “the guy’s gotta go!”
PS we are in a 5 game losing streak, much of it, in my opinion, is poor coaching decisions.
As many of you expected, nothing happened to the coach.
The season is now over; we lost in the state playoffs. I personally would give the coach full blame for the loss. The rumblings are now louder than ever but it appears that many parents are planning on abandoning the program and either moving or enrolling in private schools. They’d rather go to a smaller school and invest in travel ball for experience, rather than to play for a coach that that can’t make decisions that would help the team win.
An example of his decisions; game one of a double elimination tournament, started a sophomore pitcher over a couple of upper classmen. That in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, the kid is pretty good, I’m just laying some groundwork. This pitcher normally throws 70+ % strikes with only one or two walks a game. After four innings the kid had thrown more balls than strikes and had walked seven and struck out one. The forth inning was a struggle for the kid too. I’m thinking that most of you would say, “I’ve got 6 good pitchers available, let’s change” he sent him back out in a 2 –1 game. First batter HOME RUN, second batter BB, then he goes and gets him. We ended up losing 2 – 3.
Game two. He started a pitcher who had severely cut his finger a few weeks before and was holding his finger together with super glue. After each inning he had to reapply to keep it from bleeding. This lasted three innings before he changed to another pitcher and by this time the score was 5 – 1. We made a comeback and with the score 5 – 5 he puts in a sophomore call up to pitch. This kid is pretty good but hadn’t pitched on the varsity team. The kid is also very streaky. On the bench at the time was a kid who hadn’t allowed a run in his limited appearances, 9 innings; one who had allowed only one run in 16 innings, and one who I think he was saving if there was a game three. Why did he choose the call up? He needed to get in to earn a letter. Inning 7 went OK 1 walk, 1 K and a couple of ground outs, Inning 8 (top of the lineup) 1B, BB, FC, HR. Game over.
In my opinion he put the call up for two reasons, 1 to justify his method for giving out letters, but 2, mainly because he loves a curveball pitcher, the ones on the bench don’t use the curveball as a main pitch. Did I mention the HR was on a hanging curveball?
It looks like I may be moving with a job change, but if that doesn’t come to be; I think I’m moving anyway.
The season is now over; we lost in the state playoffs. I personally would give the coach full blame for the loss. The rumblings are now louder than ever but it appears that many parents are planning on abandoning the program and either moving or enrolling in private schools. They’d rather go to a smaller school and invest in travel ball for experience, rather than to play for a coach that that can’t make decisions that would help the team win.
An example of his decisions; game one of a double elimination tournament, started a sophomore pitcher over a couple of upper classmen. That in and of itself isn’t a bad thing, the kid is pretty good, I’m just laying some groundwork. This pitcher normally throws 70+ % strikes with only one or two walks a game. After four innings the kid had thrown more balls than strikes and had walked seven and struck out one. The forth inning was a struggle for the kid too. I’m thinking that most of you would say, “I’ve got 6 good pitchers available, let’s change” he sent him back out in a 2 –1 game. First batter HOME RUN, second batter BB, then he goes and gets him. We ended up losing 2 – 3.
Game two. He started a pitcher who had severely cut his finger a few weeks before and was holding his finger together with super glue. After each inning he had to reapply to keep it from bleeding. This lasted three innings before he changed to another pitcher and by this time the score was 5 – 1. We made a comeback and with the score 5 – 5 he puts in a sophomore call up to pitch. This kid is pretty good but hadn’t pitched on the varsity team. The kid is also very streaky. On the bench at the time was a kid who hadn’t allowed a run in his limited appearances, 9 innings; one who had allowed only one run in 16 innings, and one who I think he was saving if there was a game three. Why did he choose the call up? He needed to get in to earn a letter. Inning 7 went OK 1 walk, 1 K and a couple of ground outs, Inning 8 (top of the lineup) 1B, BB, FC, HR. Game over.
In my opinion he put the call up for two reasons, 1 to justify his method for giving out letters, but 2, mainly because he loves a curveball pitcher, the ones on the bench don’t use the curveball as a main pitch. Did I mention the HR was on a hanging curveball?
It looks like I may be moving with a job change, but if that doesn’t come to be; I think I’m moving anyway.
obrady:
As you might remember our son, an '07, is playing on a HS team with the same type of coach as what you have described. In our case, the team is not laden with talented players like your son's team, therefore your team's frustration is perhaps far greater than ours.
Nonetheless our frustration is considerable since our team experienced an abysmal season...in a very weak conference...a conference that, on hindsight, was easily winnable by our team had we a reasonably competent baseball guy as a coach.
Before I get jumped on by the coaches here on this site please understamnd clearly that I support you and feel strongly that a good, competent, baseball coach does indeed make a difference. Obrady certainly agrees with that too.
What to do?
As you might remember our son, an '07, is playing on a HS team with the same type of coach as what you have described. In our case, the team is not laden with talented players like your son's team, therefore your team's frustration is perhaps far greater than ours.
Nonetheless our frustration is considerable since our team experienced an abysmal season...in a very weak conference...a conference that, on hindsight, was easily winnable by our team had we a reasonably competent baseball guy as a coach.
Before I get jumped on by the coaches here on this site please understamnd clearly that I support you and feel strongly that a good, competent, baseball coach does indeed make a difference. Obrady certainly agrees with that too.
What to do?