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Originally posted by Tx-Husker:
Any QB that starts for one of the top programs in the country for 4 years will get over exposed. The same is true for McCoy at Texas. Personally, I never get tired of hearing even the same good stories about good kids like Tebow and McCoy. Did I cheer against McCoy last night against my Husker, yeah...a little. But these two kids are high quality kids that will do just as well with some adversity thrown their way. Maybe they are NFL QBs, probably not. IMO, these are two quality individuals that are having a positive impact on their teammates, fans and society. Hard to knock that.
I've watched a lot of college football over the years and never seen anything that approaches the non football adulation Tebow receives from the media. Here's a religious statement for you. Thank God it's over.
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If honoring God with his eye black is some sort of gimmick...what is it? Bringing attention to God's glory and goodness?
When Tebow puts on the helmet he's a football player not a missionary. There are plenty of people who feel he's pushing religion with his scripture messages. Personally I find religion to be personal. I don't need the media giving the scripture lesson Tebow has on his eye black.
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Originally posted by puma1:
It is incomprehendable to me that anyoe would have ill feelings toward a kid like Tebow. Tales of the good deeds of a fine young man never get old to me.If honoring God with his eye black is some sort of gimmick...what is it? Bringing attention to God's glory and goodness? What a horrible thing that is. He spends his off season taking care of 3rd world children instead of robbing convenience stores and clubbing. Oh No! It may get old to some, but it continues to be encouraging to me. There is always room in our world for goodness.

Well said... GED10DaD
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Maybe they're also part of the "Bryce Harper" won't make it crowd.
We won't hear about Harper every week until he makes the majors, assuming he makes it. College football is another animal. It's four years of media exposure before turning pro. Often what makes a successful college football player doesn't translate into a successful NFL player.
I can only speak for myself and I ask you all where does it say I wish ill or hate Tebow--

TPM

I am tired of you dictating to people, in this case yours truly, what they can say and cannot say on this site---it continues to amaze me that you can say what you want but others cannot--are we not expressing opinions here--in some circles it is called debate

And yes !!! I standby my view of Tebows parents facial look---I did not see hurt--I saw disappointment and to me that means the loss of monies in terms of his draft spot--I hear now, and this is from pro football experts not me, that he may not be drafted until the 3rd round or maybe later.

Natural

Nice to see a good adversary return--always enjoy debating you and the Texas attitude
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Originally posted by Infield08:
I don't understand why TCU is pitted against #6 Boise State rather than #3 Cinci or #5 Florida. A disappointing match-up, especially since TCU played Boise State last year in a bowl game (and beat them).


It's just the BCS way of throwing a bone to the "little guy" without risking another loss for the "big boys". They already resent that non auto qualifying schools get to participate.
I think those are some pretty good matchups but it's still a load of garbage. TCU and BSU should not be playing each other. Both are bigging to play bigger teams in nonconference games but the big dogs won't play them.

College football is nothing but a monopoly and it's going to take something drastic to make a change. The powers that be keep telling TCU, BSU and the rest of the smaller conferences to play tougher nonconference games to be considered for National Championship but nobody will play them. So right now I would estimate 2/3 of every college football team is eliminated from contention for a National Championship. It's not that way in other sports. The worst team in the worst conference in basketball and baseball have a chance to win the NC. Granted it's unlikely but the chance is still there. BSU who has proven they can play and deserve a chance starts the season off already out of contention. So why play the season?

I think it was ESPN the Magazine I read where the guy in charge of the BCS will not even entertain the idea of playoff because the way the set up now is so many teams get to end their season on a high note with a bowl win. He basically made it sound like the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. He even brought up how it would be impossible to have one due to final exam schedules. If that's the case then does DIAA, DII, DIII not give finals or that academics are not important to them? They have a more limited budget for traveling, tutors and anything else needed to make playoffs work. I'm going to try and find a link to the article.

I don't care who wins between 'Bama and Texas because they haven't earned the NC because there are 6 deserving teams (BSU, TCU, Cincy, Texas, 'Bama, Florida) to play for the NC but 3 had no chance at the start of the season. Plus why not give someone like Pitt a chance in a tournament? If it wasn't for a tournament Freshno St would not have been NC in baseball a couple of years ago. Every team had a chance to beat Fresno St but they failed. To me that says they earned their title - unlike how they do it in CFB.
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Originally posted by coach2709:
College football is nothing but a monopoly and it's going to take something drastic to make a change.


You're exactly right. It's all about the money. And money will be the only drastic thing that will make it change. In baseball, there's over a month between the end of the regular season and the end of the CWS. In football, there's about a month between the end of the regular season and when the BCS game takes place. They could easily get a 16 team playoff done if they wanted to...they just don't want to and it does screw the Boise's and TCU's of the world. They are just playing nice and taking the hush money.
The money used to be shared across the board. Then D1 shoved the D1-AA schools out of the way. Then the BCS schools shoved the rest of the D1 schools out of the way. It's about a handful of conferences hording the tv money. When Notre Dame worked their own deal with NBC, the rest of college football should have shut them out of the BCS bowl process. However, lately Notre Dame has done a good job of shutting themselves out on the field. Karma?
All of our sons will eventually play their final college games, or like Tebow some other big game near the end of their careers. Some will end in joy, others in disappointment. When we watch those final games what will we be thinking? Most of us will probably feel some degree of sadness, especially if the games end in disappointment for our kids. This is the natural emotion we would expect from most, if not all, parents in such a situation.

BUT TRHit's looks at Tebow's parents' disappointment and ASSUMES that it can ONLY be about money. He assumes their disappointment is motivated by greed. WHY? Does he know them? I doubt it. Is he just suspicious of them? Jealous of them? Was he thinking about money when his kids played their final games? I honestly do not know. BUT, he doesn't know what Tebow's parents were thinking either. His assigning other motives to their disappointment says more about him than it does them.

I REALLY hate to agree with TPM. But she's right on this one.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I can only speak for myself and I ask you all where does it say I wish ill or hate Tebow--

TPM

I am tired of you dictating to people, in this case yours truly, what they can say and cannot say on this site---it continues to amaze me that you can say what you want but others cannot--are we not expressing opinions here--in some circles it is called debate

And yes !!! I standby my view of Tebows parents facial look---I did not see hurt--I saw disappointment and to me that means the loss of monies in terms of his draft spot--I hear now, and this is from pro football experts not me, that he may not be drafted until the 3rd round or maybe later.

Natural

Nice to see a good adversary return--always enjoy debating you and the Texas attitude
MTH


You use the word ASSUME a lot when posting about me--- I find that interesting when you assume a lot about me

Here are some facts about me--

Money did not enter into my sons baseball--in fact I put the word out prior to the draft that he was going to college--HE NEEDED GO TO COLLEGE--do not draft him

I am not jealous of anyone or anything--I am who I am and happy with my lot in life--perhaps more so than many of you---and that is not an assumption--just a statement

And again I say we are entitled to our opinions on this site, despite what TPM thinks--her opinions and thoughts are not the only ones that count---I am not here to make friends nor enemies but simply to offer my experience and thoughts

Great judgement on me on your part---you are so freaking wrong --it is sad
Well enuff of this nonsense---more important i get the onions, celery, tomatoes and taters into the crock pot with the stew meat

See you all later
TR,

You still haven't told us, oh great oracle, how you can tell, by glancing at a few seconds of video footage, that Tebow's parents' sadness was motivated by greed. PLEASE tell me! Is there some sort of little facial tick that they have? Did you see the subtle reflections of dollar signs in the corner of their eyes? The ONLY assumption I make is that you are quick to draw conclusions with little or no basis. Wait, does that assumption make me as bad as you? Perhaps. :-)

I guess it was a little too subtle, but the point I was trying to make was not that you were thinking about money when your son played his final game. In fact, just the opposite. My natural assumption would be that you were just thinking about your kid, like any other parent. Yet somehow, for some reason, you want to make a different assumption about the Tebows. Why is that?

I know she's annonying, but show me one post where TPM ever said you or anyone else is not entitled to their opinion? Just because we call each other to task from time to time doesn't mean we're trying to stifle opinions.

I have learned MUCH from you, and TPM, over the years. But sometimes you, like the rest of us, cross the line. In My Humble Opinion.

Don't let the stew burn.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
MTH


You use the word ASSUME a lot when posting about me--- I find that interesting when you assume a lot about me

Here are some facts about me--

Money did not enter into my sons baseball--in fact I put the word out prior to the draft that he was going to college--HE NEEDED GO TO COLLEGE--do not draft him

I am not jealous of anyone or anything--I am who I am and happy with my lot in life--perhaps more so than many of you---and that is not an assumption--just a statement

And again I say we are entitled to our opinions on this site, despite what TPM thinks--her opinions and thoughts are not the only ones that count---I am not here to make friends nor enemies but simply to offer my experience and thoughts

Great judgement on me on your part---you are so freaking wrong --it is sad
Well enuff of this nonsense---more important i get the onions, celery, tomatoes and taters into the crock pot with the stew meat

See you all later
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Originally posted by TRhit:
MTH


You use the word ASSUME a lot when posting about me--- I find that interesting when you assume a lot about me

Here are some facts about me--

Money did not enter into my sons baseball--in fact I put the word out prior to the draft that he was going to college--HE NEEDED GO TO COLLEGE--do not draft him

I am not jealous of anyone or anything--I am who I am and happy with my lot in life--perhaps more so than many of you---and that is not an assumption--just a statement

And again I say we are entitled to our opinions on this site, despite what TPM thinks--her opinions and thoughts are not the only ones that count---I am not here to make friends nor enemies but simply to offer my experience and thoughts

Great judgement on me on your part---you are so freaking wrong --it is sad
Well enuff of this nonsense---more important i get the onions, celery, tomatoes and taters into the crock pot with the stew meat

See you all later

Didn't Archie Bunker say pretty much the same thing in one of the All in the Family episodes?? Big Grin

Actually I'm rooting for Tim Tebow. Not for football, but in the rest of his life. Warranted or not, he's been put on a pedestal and many (including some here) would love to see him fall off. Religion aside, I personally wish there were thousands more like him. The world might be a better place.


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Originally posted by coach2709:
I think those are some pretty good matchups but it's still a load of garbage. TCU and BSU should not be playing each other. Both are bigging to play bigger teams in nonconference games but the big dogs won't play them.

College football is nothing but a monopoly and it's going to take something drastic to make a change. The powers that be keep telling TCU, BSU and the rest of the smaller conferences to play tougher nonconference games to be considered for National Championship but nobody will play them. So right now I would estimate 2/3 of every college football team is eliminated from contention for a National Championship. It's not that way in other sports. The worst team in the worst conference in basketball and baseball have a chance to win the NC. Granted it's unlikely but the chance is still there. BSU who has proven they can play and deserve a chance starts the season off already out of contention. So why play the season?

I think it was ESPN the Magazine I read where the guy in charge of the BCS will not even entertain the idea of playoff because the way the set up now is so many teams get to end their season on a high note with a bowl win. He basically made it sound like the "everybody gets a trophy" mentality. He even brought up how it would be impossible to have one due to final exam schedules. If that's the case then does DIAA, DII, DIII not give finals or that academics are not important to them? They have a more limited budget for traveling, tutors and anything else needed to make playoffs work. I'm going to try and find a link to the article.

I don't care who wins between 'Bama and Texas because they haven't earned the NC because there are 6 deserving teams (BSU, TCU, Cincy, Texas, 'Bama, Florida) to play for the NC but 3 had no chance at the start of the season. Plus why not give someone like Pitt a chance in a tournament? If it wasn't for a tournament Freshno St would not have been NC in baseball a couple of years ago. Every team had a chance to beat Fresno St but they failed. To me that says they earned their title - unlike how they do it in CFB.
Alabama is the best team in the country and will prove it against Texas.

Nick Saban may not be a great guy, but he is an excellent football coach.

Mack Brown, not so much an excellent football coach, but by most accounts seems to be a good guy.

The Texas team that got BCS BS'd a couple years ago was better than this Texas team.

None of this really matters because a major college football national champion is no more legit than the "mythical" high school national champions.
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Originally posted by getagoodpitchtohit:
Alabama is the best team in the country and will prove it against Texas.


I agree that 'Bama is the best. But beating Texas won't necessarily prove it. They'd prove it by beating the #2 Team in the nation, which, unfortunately isn't Texas.

If the BCS had balls, they'd have ranked Texas where they belonged after they squeaked by Nebraskam and let a real contender play for the Title.

The upside might be that after the upcoming onesided and boring BCS Championship game, during which viewer ship drops accordingly, BCS could grow a pair and not this happen again.
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:

If the BCS had balls, they'd have ranked Texas where they belonged after they squeaked by Nebraskam and let a real contender play for the Title.
I'm not a Texas fan. But Texas went undefeated playing a major conference schedule. TCU and Boise State play in mid major conferences. TCU and Boise State play too many Little Sisters of Mercy. They don't even get banged up in those games. Under the BCS setup, your argument makes no sense.
TR,
Without a playoff system it would be hard to just pick another team, but what I would like to see is one of the following:

Cincinnati- with wins over OSU, Miami. and Illinois.
Boise State- with wins over Oregon, Louisana Tech. and a bigger win over Miami (Ohio) than Cincinnati.
TCU-had a great season, but played less majors.

I am a little bias because I'm on the west coast and the Pac-10 gets very little love, but, they beat each other up so much each year they take themselves of of it. But at least the WAC gets a BCS bowl game.
My thoughts:
1) Would Mack Brown still have a job if Colt's pass would have hung in the air for half a second longer?
2) The big boys are laughing at Boise and TCU because one of them will lose and then the BCS'ers will say, "see, you're no good"
3) It's snowing and cold here and TR's taters, celery, onions and stew meat sound awful good!!!!
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Originally posted by RJM:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimmy03:

Under the BCS setup, your argument makes no sense.


Exactly. Under the current BCS setup, very few aguments, as well as logic and common sense, make sense.


A playoff system utlizing exisiting bowls could be constructed that would provide as much revenue as the BCS bowl system. One such was discussed and dimissed by BCS, though not for a lack of revenue.


What then keeps a playoff system, which basketball and baseball enjoy, from replacing BCS?. Power. Those who have it are more than a little reluctant to surrender it.
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by RJM:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimmy03:

Under the BCS setup, your argument makes no sense.


Exactly. Under the current BCS setup, very few aguments, as well as logic and common sense, make sense.


A playoff system utlizing exisiting bowls could be constructed that would provide as much revenue as the BCS bowl system. One such was discussed and dimissed by BCS, though not for a lack of revenue.


What then keeps a playoff system, which basketball and baseball enjoy, from replacing BCS?. Power. Those who have it are more than a little reluctant to surrender it.
I was responding to your post, not a debate over how the BCS operates. So thank you for agreeing with me. Anything else (a playoff debate) is a tired arguement.
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Originally posted by RJM:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by RJM:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jimmy03:

Under the BCS setup, your argument makes no sense.


Exactly. Under the current BCS setup, very few aguments, as well as logic and common sense, make sense.


A playoff system utlizing exisiting bowls could be constructed that would provide as much revenue as the BCS bowl system. One such was discussed and dimissed by BCS, though not for a lack of revenue.


What then keeps a playoff system, which basketball and baseball enjoy, from replacing BCS?. Power. Those who have it are more than a little reluctant to surrender it.
I was responding to your post, not a debate over how the BCS operates. So thank you for agreeing with me. Anything else (a playoff debate) is a tired arguement.


I most certainly do agree. Any argument under the BCS setup, as it stands, is useless.

I suppose tired arguments are in the eye of the beholder. If you find my tiring, don't feel that you must reply.
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Originally posted by Tooldforthis:
TR,
Without a playoff system it would be hard to just pick another team, but what I would like to see is one of the following:

Cincinnati- with wins over OSU, Miami. and Illinois.
Boise State- with wins over Oregon, Louisana Tech. and a bigger win over Miami (Ohio) than Cincinnati.
TCU-had a great season, but played less majors.

I am a little bias because I'm on the west coast and the Pac-10 gets very little love, but, they beat each other up so much each year they take themselves of of it. But at least the WAC gets a BCS bowl game.


I'd pick TCU to beat both Cincinati and Boise St. TCU played a far tougher schedule than Boise and not a lot worse than Cincinati's. TCU got their wins by stopping other teams not just by outscoring them. Included in their wins is a stomping of Utah who happens to be the last team to beat both Alabama and TCU. JMHO but I happen to think they are the best team in Texas.
I dont want to see anyone fail. Tebow has had a tremendous career. He obviously has impacted many peoples lives in a positive way. I think he is a fine young man. My issue is not with Tim Tebow. My issue is the the media. I had the same issue with former UNC basketball player Tyler Hansbrough. Every single game was dominated with Tyler this and Tyler that. I wanted to hear about all the players. I wish him all the success in the world.

Now on to the BCS. I am not smart enought to figure out all the ins and outs of this system. Why they do this , why they do that. I know it has alot to do with power and control and of course money. My issue really is it should be decided on the field and not in polls. What if we had the same system in college basketball? What if we had the same system in college baseball?

The bottom line is we need a playoff system. And even with that it will not be totally fair. Some teams have to play a much tougher conference schedule. Would Boise State be undefeated if they played in the PAC-10 , Big 10 or SEC? Would TCU? Would Cincy? Yes Bama , UF , Texas played a weak non conference schedule. But so would I if I had to play the teams they have to play in conference.

Maybe they need to cut the season back to 10 games and have a playoff? Maybe they need to follow D1AA's format for a playoff system. I dont know how this would all be worked out. But I do know that until we have a true playoff system we will continue to have these same discussions every year. It should be decided on the field.
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Originally posted by FrankF:

Didn't Archie Bunker say pretty much the same thing in one of the All in the Family episodes?? Big Grin

Actually I'm rooting for Tim Tebow. Not for football, but in the rest of his life. Warranted or not, he's been put on a pedestal and many (including some here) would love to see him fall off. Religion aside, I personally wish there were thousands more like him. The world might be a better place.


I never cared for Archie because of his negativity.

This morning all I heard on the TV was about the dog killer and what a great game he had, sickening.

TR,
How come no one can ASSUME anything about YOU, but you can assume something about people you don't know, just by the look on their faces? Your response makes no sense.


I don't care if you or anyone else likes or not likes Tebow, the comments about his parents were not appropriate.
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