Why do some D1 colleges pick the Dumb players

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Originally posted by TRhit:
billyjoe

Undertsand one thing--I have a problem with posters who cannot explain their info on profiles

And yes it is my business--if you cannot explain the term "sports entertainment" in your profile I have a problem with that

Here is a simple answer for you--it is my business--I am tired of "scams" using this site and I want people to be aware of them

First of all, are you the owner of this site? What gives you the right to interrogate me? I simply posted a question on this site. Is that not what it's for? As far as I know you are an internet predator.

BUMP......

Jeez Louise. It's a message board. No one asked me for my drivers license when I registered.

Billyjoe

TR is a lonely old man that can be a high maintenance very tedious fellow...best ignore him or he'll make your interaction here unpleasant.

This thread, for me anyway, should have been over with the excellent responses by Aparent and Tiger Paw Mom.

Every coach is his own man and makes his own decisions. Based on the info available, I believe this particular coach considers the recruited "dumb player" to be 1) capable of maintaining his grades and 2) a better fit for his team.

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Good point and I guess that answers my question about college recruiters and that is that they want the best "eligble" players out there. They are not interested in the best academic prospect that is let's say a smidgen less talented than the boarderline eligible athlete. So in summary, a players academia means little to college recruiters.

billyjoe,
Not neccessarily...
Colleges provides all kinds of help for students academically...tutors, mandatory study hall, study groups, etc. GPA can be raised, if needed. Students have to work hard...

Colleges can't help provide for a "smidgen less talent". Skills can only be developed so far.

I feel certain there is a program out there for your son that fits both his talent level & academic abilities...

I see your are in Texas...Mind telling me where your son is looking? Is he wanting to stay in Texas?

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Originally posted by baseballmom:

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Good point and I guess that answers my question about college recruiters and that is that they want the best "eligble" players out there. They are not interested in the best academic prospect that is let's say a smidgen less talented than the boarderline eligible athlete. So in summary, a players academia means little to college recruiters.

billyjoe,
Not neccessarily...
Colleges provides all kinds of help for students academically...tutors, mandatory study hall, study groups, etc. GPA can be raised, if needed. Students have to work hard...

Colleges can't help provide for a "smidgen less talent". Skills can only be developed so far.

I feel certain there is a program out there for your son that fits both his talent level & academic abilities...

I see your are in Texas...Mind telling me where your son is looking? Is he wanting to stay in Texas?

Thanks baseball mom my son does prefer to stay and play locally. Players are taught by the college coaches so shouldn't they improve at the college level as well just as the academia will improve? The whole thing is that it looks like ACT or SAT scores only need to be met at a minimum level for college baseball coaches which is fine if that's the way it is so be it. It's important for the coaches to stress the importance of good grades but they should make it clear that they will ultimately pick the best eligible players regardless of grades.

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It's important for the coaches to stress the importance of good grades but they should make it clear that they will ultimately pick the best eligible players regardless of grades.

Billiejoe

I have always thought as much, maybe assumed it to be true. Most coaches draw the line at criminal behavior, but that's about it.

ramrod

Again you show your lack of knowledge--I am probably the HAPPIEST and MOST UNLONELY person on this site-- those that know me in "real" life can tell you that. I do not live in the cyberspace that you need to have

You sir, are the one with the unhappiness and loneliness in life- you are fighting the world, and spinning your wheels-

To term me a "lonely old man" is totally off base because I am here to tell you that when you reach my age you want to feel like I do ---GREAT!!!!

And I carry one ID--it never changes--

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Originally posted by TRhit:
ramrod

Again you show your lack of knowledge--I am probably the HAPPIEST and MOST UNLONELY person on this site-- those that know me in "real" life can tell you that. I do not live in the cyberspace that you need to have

You sir, are the one with the unhappiness and loneliness in life- you are fighting the world, and spinning your wheels-

To term me a "lonely old man" is totally off base because I am here to tell you that when you reach my age you want to feel like I do ---GREAT!!!!

And I carry one ID--it never changes--

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Tsk, Tsk you're off topic again...TR

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Originally posted by Dad04:

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It's important for the coaches to stress the importance of good grades but they should make it clear that they will ultimately pick the best eligible players regardless of grades.

Billiejoe

I have always thought as much, maybe assumed it to be true. Most coaches draw the line at criminal behavior, but that's about it.

Thanks Dad04,
I guess somewhere along the way i've duped myself with respect to the fact that I believed excellent grade scores had a bigger impact that they really do. But i'm learning something new each day.

Billyjoe,
Several posters have offered sound advise ...
Now, I'll tell you...lots of "intangibles" go into coaches picks, too.
My son is going thru this process right now...He may be the one that coach picked..

There are many great programs here in Texas...
If he's the Rice or Baylor type player, look at TCU, Trinity, Hardin Simmons, Texas Lutheran, Abilene Christian, Southwestern, DBU, etc.
If he's a Longhorn type player, start checking out the 4-5 other UT programs, TT, U of H, SHSU, Stephen F. Austin, etc.
Take a look at all the conferences: Big 12, Conf. USA, Southland, MWC., etc.
It's time to move on to find that "fit", where he is wanted for his ability to contribute to a program and where his ACT matters.

Thanks everyone for the great advice! I do appreciate your comments and have learned a lot from the few posts I have made here. Thanks again.

BillyJoe

Me and some others have been having a problem with TR and his attitude!

I think a good dose of prune juice should work well.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by soxnole:
This thread, for me anyway, should have been over with the excellent responses by Aparent and Tiger Paw Mom.

Soxnole,
Good post, at least we can agree on somethings

I don't now what's up lately but on this site in some threads the posts have been real annoying and have nothing to do with the ORIGINAL post. It's like what PA mom said once, it's a "my dad can beat up your dad" bantor.
And I am first to admit, that I sometimes mess up, but I think you all know it is NOT my intention to come here and make trouble, or tell others what they can and cannot do and if I have a problem, I will send a private message making suggestions or telling the poster how they might have offended us here.

I don't think anyone has to explain their profile to anyone, and if one needs a clarification, send a pm. That doesn't go against any rules here right?

And as far as the baiting, I resent old posters who leave for awhile only to return to start in again after they have been asked to leave, or their name blocked. I appreciate your input, but not the "return to who can I annoy or insult the most here".

MN-Mom has been considerate enough to think about us all and keep this site running for our enjoyment, not for a few who feel they have agendas.
I stated once, get over yourselves, this is a perfect example of my statement.
I think it is time we all think about how difficult keeping this board up is for MN-Mom, and possibly why Bob decided not to continue. This week's behavior by some is a perfect example.
I am not a moderator, I have no powers to remove posts, I didn't come here for that reason, I let others make that decision.
So in lieu of not being able to remove or delete posts, I wanted you all to know how I felt about some of them and probably a lot more others feel the same way.
TPM

soxnole - thank you - and I agree with you.

Billiejoe

Don't worry, you have not duped yourself. You have simply placed all schools in the same category - and they are not.

There are actually schools where a high ACT and GPA are highly valued and where a smidgen difference in talent would not wipe that out. (a smidgen being a pretty small amount)

That is why it is so important to find the right program. If you feel more comfortable in a program where academica is highly valued it is important to do some reasearch and find an institution that has the same attitude.

I would guess it is a smaller percentage of private schools - but I bet if you do enough research you will find one - and after all, one is all you can attend anyhow.

I have been asked by several members to comment on this thread. (I am the site owner.)

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TRhit:
Undertsand one thing--I have a problem with posters who cannot explain their info on profiles

And yes it is my business--if you cannot explain the term "sports entertainment" in your profile I have a problem with that

billyjoe:
First of all, are you the owner of this site? What gives you the right to interrogate me? I simply posted a question on this site. Is that not what it's for? As far as I know you are an internet predator.
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My comment:
The site rules do not require new members to explain the information listed in their profiles. TRhit asked about the meaning of a term in billyjoe's profile, and billyjoe chose not to elaborate. That's perfectly acceptable. Let's move on to following the very first bullet point listed under Board Manners:

"Posters will be expected to maintain basic courtesy toward the opinions of others."

For more interesting reading, check out the entire list of Board Manners at:
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/board_manners.htm

MN-Mom,

I noticed that billy jo has changed the original post, I think the tone of that original post made people a bit defensive

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Originally posted by AParent:
soxnole - thank you - and I agree with you.

Billiejoe

Don't worry, you have not duped yourself. You have simply placed all schools in the same category - and they are not.

There are actually schools where a high ACT and GPA are highly valued and where a smidgen difference in talent would not wipe that out. (a smidgen being a pretty small amount)

That is why it is so important to find the right program. If you feel more comfortable in a program where academica is highly valued it is important to do some reasearch and find an institution that has the same attitude.

I would guess it is a smaller percentage of private schools - but I bet if you do enough research you will find one - and after all, one is all you can attend anyhow.

Sounds like very wise advice. We will do as you have recommended. Thank you so much!!!!!!!

billyjoe,
you have PM (Private message)

You have a PM.

Same here, BJ. You need to read mine and feel free to quote parts if needed. I am sorry everyone that I helped get the ball rolling in the wrong direction.

BillyJoe

I think you've been "entertaining" so far.

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Originally posted by AKBaseball20:
Same here, BJ. You need to read mine and feel free to quote parts if needed. I am sorry everyone that I helped get the ball rolling in the wrong direction.

No problem. Thanks to all who replied in good faith.