Wow - Astros penalty is out

Couple takeaways.  I will stay clear of others opinions of too light, too harsh, just right on the punishment.

1)  If you cheat, lie, steal, or take/give a bribe, you are a cheater, liar, thief or corrupt for life.  Once dirty, dirty forever in many people's eyes. If you took PED's once, you are a PED user for life. No matter how clean the rest of your life is, or how many good deeds you do, you will be seen by some as your worst deed. You live with your choices. This is the message to pass to young people.

2) Someone's HOF chances just went down.

As an Astros fan since 1981, I would like to see all position players from 2017 roster traded.  Happy Crane fired Luhnow and Hinch.

There is an asterisk on the World Series and the current players accomplishment, whether BBREF puts one there or not.

fenwaysouth posted:

TPM & Chico,

So, I'm assuming the commish's message to all MLB GM's is you better know what is going on in your dugout.  Ignorance is not bliss.   If there is something going on, you better do something about it.   While he did not implicate him directly he certainly held him accountable.

I know I understand, but I have my opinion. 

I believe what he said, but I agree that he deserved to be fired.

Waiting to see what Cora's fate is, HE really should be given a lifetime suspension.

JMO

Went home for lunch and briefly listened to some Will Cain.  ..heard some interesting, albeit slanted, takes on one aspect of the effect of the cheating via an interview with Plaschke.

His viewpoint was that without the cheating, the Dodgers would have won that series in six.  What was interesting is his further delving into the impact...  Some examples - Yu Darvish was basically run out of LA after failing in the series after having been very successful otherwise during the season.  Kershaw's image/reputation as having failed on the big stage may have been reversed with success in that series.  Dave Roberts would be seen in an entirely different light with a WS title under his belt.  The Dodgers' overall fortunes, player and personnel salary and opportunities likely affected long term as Series Champs always carries considerable resume weight as well as the direct compensation, etc., etc.  As he was talking through it, there was almost a "Back to the Future" feel.

One could certainly carry this argument further downstream.

Jeff Passan on ESPN.com (I want to read Manfred’s report For myself; haven’t done so yet):

“information in Manfred's report that "at least two emails sent to Luhnow" informed him of replay-review room sign decoding, about which he did nothing.“

Maybe Luhnow never read the emails, or didn’t take them seriously. But this is not a great look.

Whole article is an interesting read: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story...stealing-punishments 

Interesting.  Who sends an email to someone when the implications are huge?  

I am gonna use a phrase that you have all heard.

The fish stinks from the head down.

Sounds like Crane wasn't in the dark either, and MLB gave in to him and the other owners. 

JMO.

I am kinda done with this. It's just such a shame.

Cora and Red Sox mutually agree to part ways. 

hshuler posted:

Cora and Red Sox mutually agree to part ways. 

The conversation went a little like this:

Red Sox: "So, we both agree that you have to get fired, right?"

Cora: "If you say so."

collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:

hshuler posted:

Cora and Red Sox mutually agree to part ways. 

The conversation went a little like this:

Red Sox: "So, we both agree that you have to get fired, right?"

Cora: "If you say so."

 

Like this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/12u.../1212867195182735361

Yankees minor league team doing mini trash can promo 

https://twitter.com/SIYanks/st...180321973776385?s=19

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

K9 posted:

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

Bingo.  There may be a lot of clubs looking for new GMs and Managers, and a lot of clubs getting draft picks that would have gone to other teams.   Detroit, Miami and Baltimore may be able to pull themselves out of the MLB dumpster by getting more talented draft picks thanks to the greed of these other teams.  Just a thought.

Don't worry, the O's will more likely blow that chance as well. Story of my life  At least I can say I don't ride band-wagons, lol

fenwaysouth posted:

K9 posted:

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

Bingo.  There may be a lot of clubs looking for new GMs and Managers, and a lot of clubs getting draft picks that would have gone to other teams.   Detroit, Miami and Baltimore may be able to pull themselves out of the MLB dumpster by getting more talented draft picks thanks to the greed of these other teams.  Just a thought.

My guess is that the Astros will be the only team that will be punished. 

ReluctantO'sFan posted:

Don't worry, the O's will more likely blow that chance as well. Story of my life  At least I can say I don't ride band-wagons, lol

Given Baltimore's recent history in managing the team draft choices and trades, as an O's fan I'm not all that optimistic.   But after last season there's no where to go but up (I hope!).

K9 posted:

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

I think most teams "cheat" to some extent.  Astros were just stupid and out of control.  Manfred made an example out of them.  I don't think MLB will push too hard on the other clubs, with the exception of the Red Sox.

K9 posted:

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

Should be interesting... we seem to have reached a very pivotal point.  A player specifically calls out several offenders (can you say "Jose Canseco"?).  Will baseball act and investigate, which would open a huge can (excuse the pun)?   Or will they just draw the line in the sand and say "no more - you're all on notice"?

cabbagedad posted:

K9 posted:

This is just getting started.

Logan Morrison: “I know from first hand accounts that the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros and Red Sox all have used film to pick signs”.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sp...4rmdf4mfe-story.html

Should be interesting... we seem to have reached a very pivotal point.  A player specifically calls out several offenders (can you say "Jose Canseco"?).  Will baseball act and investigate, which would open a huge can (excuse the pun)?   Or will they just draw the line in the sand and say "no more - you're all on notice"?

MLB mirrors much of what we see and hear everyday. People cheat. They cheat for all different reasons, in this case, it's  about being #1, which brings rewards, fame and fortune.  Sorry, there is a lot more to life than being #1, and you can be successful without cheating.

Sit down with your kids and have the talk. It's important.  We need to change the narrative. You have to get up each day and look yourself in the mirror and ask, how can I make a  positive difference to others.

FoxDad posted:

ReluctantO'sFan posted:

Don't worry, the O's will more likely blow that chance as well. Story of my life  At least I can say I don't ride band-wagons, lol

Given Baltimore's recent history in managing the team draft choices and trades, as an O's fan I'm not all that optimistic.   But after last season there's no where to go but up (I hope!).

I would hope UP is the only place left to go, lol, but I have learned to keep my expectations low over the years. Stings a little less that way! 

If any team really needed a camera system set-up with a stupid trash-can banger it was the O's. Probably wouldn't of matter anyway, overpaid 1st baseman couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat

FWIW our own Kyle Boddy is a fan of new GM Mike Elias. I have always thought that in pro sports,  good owners were more important than good management, but hopefully I’m wrong and the new regime can turn things around for all of us long-suffering O’s fans. 

Another domino...Carlos Beltran "stepping down" as Met's manager.