Wow - Astros penalty is out

Go44dad posted:

If inside the game it was known that signs were being stolen and relayed in real time, why didn't teams change to a different sign system?  The yell out of apparently random numbers/color with a wristband a 12U softball team uses would suffice.

Do you seriously think that with hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, the best baseball players, coaches and analytics guys in the world didn't do whatever they workably could to protect their signs?  If it were as easy as a 12U softball game, would anybody be talking about this?

Clearly, I don’t have a dog in the fight but we talk all things baseball here and this will be a story for a while until the next big thing. 

As a fan of baseball, I like hearing the diverse opinions and perspectives from other baseball fans. Without fail, someone here gives me a perspective that I didn’t think about. 

Go44dad posted:

22and25 posted:

I am not defending the Astros players and maybe the claimed locker room photos will come out but this theory raises a couple of questions:

 

If you are going to blow this thing open by tweeting about it and claim to have addition proof....why not just blow it open with the proof right now?  If you have pics post 'em up.

Also, if he has to protect himself from teammates ripping his shirt off to hide the cheating device does that mean they don't know?

 

Fortunes are made tweeting, posting, alleging innuendo and unsubstantiated accusations.

Whatever is true or not no longer matters.  Astros and any position player on the 2017/18 roster have a red "C" stamped on their forehead.  It will be there for a lifetime.

If inside the game it was known that signs were being stolen and relayed in real time, why didn't teams change to a different sign system?  The yell out of apparently random numbers/color with a wristband a 12U softball team uses would suffice.

Stros are now marked as cheaters - agreed.  But to me it does matter if this (seemingly far fetched) buzzer allegation turns out to be true, because it shows a much more coordinated and advanced system of cheating?  And it impacts 2019 whereas the existing taint is to 2017-18?  It could all be BS, but this is a different level above and beyond banging on a trash can lol.  

Don't say red "C" because that is the Indians new logo on their hats that replaced Chief Wahoo!

Thinking about it now, maybe that is why Cleveland never wins anything - b/c they don't cheat??  Just a theory....

It easy to photoshop pictures. 

RJM posted:

It easy to photoshop pictures. 

Agreed but what interesting is I think “Beltran’s niece” said Altuve and Bregman wore devices on the right shoulder and this is something on the left shoulder...but ******* swings lefty. 

Again, lots of different opinions about all of this. I’ve gotten 100+ text messages from various people in my baseball circle so lots to digest. 

There’s another interesting story out there that I want to see if it has legs or not. It could be a big deal and it could be nothing but it’s interesting because I’m a fan of baseball. 

For the record, I’m a glass half full guy and tend the think the best of people and not the worst and I’ve made many mistakes in my life so I also tend to be a giver of second chances. 

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

Although there was the infamous 1994 Albert Belle corked bat incident.  There goes that theory! 

hshuler posted:

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

At this time, they are banned for the rest of my life.  I'm looking for a new team.  Must be in Eastern time zone.  A 6:00 CST start sounds good.  Can't stay up past 9:00.  Can't do Yankees, Red Sox, Mets.  Tried the Phillies last year and just couldn't.  I'm thinking Jays, Rays or Braves.

Go44dad posted:

hshuler posted:

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

At this time, they are banned for the rest of my life.  I'm looking for a new team.  Must be in Eastern time zone.  A 6:00 CST start sounds good.  Can't stay up past 9:00.  Can't do Yankees, Red Sox, Mets.  Tried the Phillies last year and just couldn't.  I'm thinking Jays, Rays or Braves.

We need more Braves fans because people aren’t happy about their lack of activity in free agency. 

Arenado would be huge but don’t think Braves will make it happen. My money is in the Cards. 

Definitely do NOT become a Braves fan, ownership only cares about cash, not competing for a championship.  Revenue = $ 450 million | Payroll = $ 130 million.  JOKE.  

RossGA posted:

Definitely do NOT become a Braves fan, ownership only cares about cash, not competing for a championship.  Revenue = $ 450 million | Payroll = $ 130 million.  JOKE.  

Probably not Braves. I’m still a little sore about all the foot outside strike calls Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux got back in the ‘90’s. 

RossGA posted:

Definitely do NOT become a Braves fan, ownership only cares about cash, not competing for a championship.  Revenue = $ 450 million | Payroll = $ 130 million.  JOKE.  

A couple additions and they’d probably be legitimate contender.  There ownership will learn about Atlanta fans soon. 😂

Go44dad posted:

RossGA posted:

Definitely do NOT become a Braves fan, ownership only cares about cash, not competing for a championship.  Revenue = $ 450 million | Payroll = $ 130 million.  JOKE.  

Probably not Braves. I’m still a little sore about all the foot outside strike calls Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux got back in the ‘90’s. 

Touché 

If you like scrappy underdogs that survive and thrive among to big spenders in the AL East, I recommend the Rays.  (Although you have to get used to rooting for a lot of new guys every year, because the team can't afford to keep its stars.)  And the Trop isn't as bad as it's made out to be.  

Go44dad posted:

hshuler posted:

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

At this time, they are banned for the rest of my life.  I'm looking for a new team.  Must be in Eastern time zone.  A 6:00 CST start sounds good.  Can't stay up past 9:00.  Can't do Yankees, Red Sox, Mets.  Tried the Phillies last year and just couldn't.  I'm thinking Jays, Rays or Braves.

Orioles need some help

Texas1836 posted:

Go44dad posted:

hshuler posted:

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

At this time, they are banned for the rest of my life.  I'm looking for a new team.  Must be in Eastern time zone.  A 6:00 CST start sounds good.  Can't stay up past 9:00.  Can't do Yankees, Red Sox, Mets.  Tried the Phillies last year and just couldn't.  I'm thinking Jays, Rays or Braves.

Orioles need some help

Yeah, Lots of help.   From the top down.

Chico Escuela posted:

If you like scrappy underdogs that survive and thrive among to big spenders in the AL East, I recommend the Rays.  (Although you have to get used to rooting for a lot of new guys every year, because the team can't afford to keep its stars.)  And the Trop isn't as bad as it's made out to be.  

Yup.  I'm a Red Sox fan by birth, so I'll never shake that, but really admire what the Rays do.

Go44dad posted:

hshuler posted:

Go44dad posted:

Explain this, Shu!

https://twitter.com/LiveSCS/st.../1217919287987449889

No explanation, my friend! 🤣

The Astros have admitted the crime and have received their punishment. I have talked to several people who say that certain folks should be banned for life. I’m not in the camp after thinking about it but I don’t think that everyone has to think like me. I can respect everyone’s opinion even when I don’t agree. 

At this time, they are banned for the rest of my life.  I'm looking for a new team.  Must be in Eastern time zone.  A 6:00 CST start sounds good.  Can't stay up past 9:00.  Can't do Yankees, Red Sox, Mets.  Tried the Phillies last year and just couldn't.  I'm thinking Jays, Rays or Braves.

My local and national league team is the Nationals.   Been following them since they started when they were absolutely terrible, and watched them blossom last year.  Can't go wrong with the Nats!  Besides, the mascot is an American Eagle which is kind of cool.  

I really do prefer National League baseball over American League baseball.   In 2020, I will be watching and attending lots of Nats games because I will not be watching Red Sox games (or purchasing MLB package).  I've put the Red Sox in mental time out, and I will not be spending any money to attend or watch Red Sox games this year. 

It used to be that I thought the players and managers were the good guys and the GM and front office were a bunch of wankers.  That perspective is gone.   With this scandal, I think the commissioner has to do something with the players.   How is this different from players like Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson who had lifetime bans put on them for gambling or taking money to throw a game?   In my mind this level and degree of cheating is far worse than gambling because it involves the whole team, yet nothing is being done to the players.   If I was commissioner, the players, coach and any front office personnel would be banned from baseball for life.   Houston and other teams would be promoting a lot of AAA guys for the 2020 season. 

Sorry for the left turn onto Rant Avenue but this has really got me pissed off probably because my team is part of it. 

As always, JMO.       

fenwaysouth posted:

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I really do prefer National League baseball over American League baseball.  ....

Many years ago, someone explained MLB to me this way:  "In the American League, they use a Designated Hitter; and in the National League, they play baseball."