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Who have you actually congratulated, like to hear them speak up, then I will admit I am wrong.

BHD has gone out of his way numerous times publically to give an "atta-boy" to my son.

You see that is your problem. You assumne the worst of what I say.
I have helped several posters on this site but always with a PM.
My reference to my son was to help people with recruiting questions because we didn't take the usual route.
I have been around pitching long enough to klnow what happened yesterday is in the past and tomorrow may be a different story. My son's priorities and not all linked to BB. It was a goal to play D1 and to get his college paid for.
I also have been around MiLB long enough to know how painful getting released is. Saw it hundreds of times. One of my friends were on the list posted.
There are almost 800 Canadaians playing college ball in the US. I know a large chunk of them or have followed their journey for several years. I feel I have some insight into the college and MiLB experience. I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I try not to dictate to others what id right of wrong.
I also prefer people brag about their kids and they should not feel uncomfortable posting about them even if they are naive.

Just wanted to state that I'm one who has also enjoyed reading the posts on the Air Force and the Navy and yes, the Bolt boys. I loved the post yesterday about the high scoring Air Force Game and "Mamas - don't let your babies grow up to be pitchers" - (especially since I have a D2 pitcher playing baseball in that area). I do follow them and many others from this board.

I do not like it when one of the good guys (Academy Dad) has been driven off. His information on the academies is very valuable to many people who are looking in that direction - and now he is gone because he made a mistake?

I have read many of the silly arguments between many of you such as the one going on now - and you guys stick around. Give it a rest and bring back Academy Dad.

JMHO - and I'm not on the inside underground - just a baseball mom who loves reading this board.

WOW !!!!!

Mr. Bolt is proud of his sons and why shouldn't he be? I'm proud of his kids too. If every parent was as proud of their chldren we would be better off.

The most important thing to know is that Karl Bolt is not playing in the Phillies organization, but he is serving our country. He is much closer to serving in Iraq or Afganistan than he is to a baseball park. We should all be proud of him! While we're at it we should thank him.

This whole thing is very confusing. I know there must be more to this situation, but in the beginning this thread was about a college pitcher who threw a no hitter. AcademyDad's son wasn't the one who threw a no hitter, but his team mate did. What is wrong with posting about a college pitcher throwing a no hitter? Seems like a big deal to me and this is a baseball site.

I understand that some keep their son's accomplishments quiet. That is being humble and people appreciate that. Others mention their son a lot and maybe that's not being so humble, but it doesn't hurt anyone. And as far as that Phillies list being on the HSBBW. I thought someone asked about it. Guess I don't see anything cruel about posting that list. Those released players don't have anything to be ashamed of. The release is a tough thing for sure, but before they can release you they have to sign you to a professional contract. The release list is simply a list of players who were/are professional baseball players. If a list like that would insult anyone, they should never think about a career in baseball. The last few times my son was released it went out on the wire services for any newspaper in the country to pick up. The release always hurts, but the fact it was in so many newspapers didn’t bother anyone. What’s there to hide? Nothing to be embarrassed about!

Must be more to this story. Regarding that "group" that BHD mentioned... Has he gone off the deep end? If it does exist, I don't want to be a member of that club.

deleted my original post. figured it was ridiculous to discuss something that isn't even on the sight anymore...so much has been deleted.

Actually PG is correct. A poster asked fror the link and AD provided it. All very innocent.

Wow! All I can say is.... Julie, would you like a glass of wine or ibuprofen?

Julie;

great idea on the wine, I can send you a gift pack from Sonoma County. What do you prefer "red or white"?

Bob

I haven't seen this discussion until now. Wow! I think I'm glad to be a bit of a "clumsy" moderator without much of a private/PM persona.

Danny, CS -- get back to the Texas Forum!

Don't worry, I don't need any wine, though this has been kind of an aspirin-inspiring day here, hasn't it? I'm sorry about the hard feelings. We have some longtime members who are not strangers and have had a pretty rough discussion. Sometimes there isn't really a remedy to that, but to let people say what they are thinking and then to move on from there.

Julie

Cheap, we've been outed. I'm outta here!

PD - No problem, I am going to join Danny and mozy on back to Texas.

PG - All very reasonable. But...

I don't think anyone said getting released was something to be ashamed of. But let me say that if my son's name had been on that list and I hadn't had the chance to break the news to my "friends" on this board yet...I'd have been mad as he!!.

I also think its insensitive to assume that its not cruel, or not embarrassing, or not whatever to anyone else to have that news posted here. No one can tell me how to feel...and given your own sensitivity at times, you should understand that (and thats not saying anything bad at all). We are who we are and its pretty hard to change core feelings and what hurts our feelings at our age.

PG, you and I have both been included on Private Messages when highly respected posters here had their sons' careers cut short or were put on a list. Why do you think those announcements came in Private Messages? Embarrassment? I doubt it. It was a private moment for those parents who wanted to choose who got the news first. Isn't it possible likely that others would feel the same way?

There were a number of posters whose sons were going through the process of 'being on a list' at the time the Phillies list was posted and I can only imagine that it didn't feel too good to them when they may have been here looking for some comfort instead. My own son had friends being released at just that time...I was in the car listening to him comfort one of them on the phone...no tears...actually somewhat encouraging and upbeat as he tried to raise his friends spirits and hope...but it was a very personal moment that I felt like a big-time intruder to semi-witness by circumstance only.

Yes, AcademyDad's son is a very fine young man. I've met him, seen him play...at least at one time he was a friend and teammate of my son. I've also met AcademyDad and he seemed like a nice guy as well...although I gather he doesn't think too much of me right about now. I've told him, personally, that I consider his son a hero to be serving our country...just as I've told others like Fungo. I truly do appreciate it.

In my mind (note "my mind" in that phrase...its an opinion, nothing more), he goofed. Not intentionally, but he goofed. I've goofed too, I've been deservedly called out on my goofs...so has nearly everyone here. He doesn't have to leave the site...thats his choice. I'm sure he'll be welcomed back with open arms if he chooses to return.

I guess no one has to understand all of that. But I think you do need to acknowledge that others have feelings that you may not understand. Its been stated a 100 times that our sons handle it a lot better than we parents do. Everything I'm saying here is a 'feeling' I would have as a parent. My son is a far stronger person than me in this respect. Every one's sons are likely stronger about this stuff than us parents.

I just think a little more sensitivity would go a long ways at times like this.

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I guess no one has to understand all of that. But I think you do need to acknowledge that others have feelings that you may not understand. Its been stated a 100 times that our sons handle it a lot better than we parents do. Everything I'm saying here is a 'feeling' I would have as a parent. My son is a far stronger person than me in this respect. Every one's sons are likely stronger about this stuff than us parents.

I just think a little more sensitivity would go a long ways at times like this.

justbaseball,

Sensitivity is what this is all about. You're right... everyone feels differently about things. I know how I felt after experiencing my sons released at least four times. Whether or not the list was posted here wouldn't have made any difference. I wasn't feeling worse than them, I hurt because they hurt.

Even though I don't see it that way, I can see how some might look at posting the names as being insensitive. It should be noted that at least one poster "asked" for the information and no one stepped in and said that information should remain confidential. Another poster told everyone how to get that information, yet no one stepped up and said there was anything wrong with that.

Maybe there is something to what bobblehead mentioned... Because, by far, the most insensitive thing I read was this.

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I am getting Navied, and Air Forced, and Bolted out. Please be mindful that this site is not all about your kids and their programs. It would be wonderful if just one time you showed some genuine interest in somebody elses kid or program.

Is that an example of being sensitive?

I realize we all say things at times that we wish we wouldn't have said. I'm just wondering how any one on here would feel if they were the subject in the post above? If we want to talk about being more sensitive then let's make sure we treat everyone equally. Let's don't pick and choose who we want to be sensitive towards.

I don't think anyone here enjoys lectures... I know I sure don't! I try very hard to respect EVERYONE who posts here. For sure you and ClevelandDad have my respect. It's just that there are times when people are just flat wrong... That includes you, Cleveland Dad, AcademyDad and MYSELF! Not necessarily in that order. In fact, I'd bet I would be the leader.

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I don't think anyone here enjoys lectures...

I enjoy yours...always!

...and "flat wrong?" Me? Huh? Yep, more times than not. Not a doubt about that.

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I am getting Navied, and Air Forced, and Bolted out. Please be mindful that this site is not all about your kids and their programs. It would be wonderful if just one time you showed some genuine interest in somebody elses kid or program.

Is that an example of being sensitive?

I realize we all say things at times that we wish we wouldn't have said. I'm just wondering how any one on here would feel if they were the subject in the post above? If we want to talk about being more sensitive then let's make sure we treat everyone equally. Let's don't pick and choose who we want to be sensitive towards.

Good call, PG.

As far as this sensitivity to being released, I don't think there are many who enjoyed reading the news. It is a fact and public information when someone signs a pro contract that some day the dream will come to an end.

If anyone other than the person filling the new vacancy is celebrating, I can agree that is wrong. Is there any evidence of that here on HSBBW?

Of course my sensitivity skills, or more likely the lack thereof could explain why I'm twice divorced. I am trying, though. I did leave the player's name out in this post. Seems like if his dad wanted to comment further, it is his preference. It was a sad then happy finding.

PG - the whole issue is about insensitivity (or sensitivity depending on your point of view). The posting of names is only one of them. The "always look at mine" and "the hell with yours" attitude is insensitive (it is downright rude imho). My post was designed to be insensitive in kind. I do regret posting it now because it backfired. It made victims out of AcademyDad and BobbleheadDoll to a lessor extent. Please note that many threads have been highly modified and deleted (by AcademyDad) since I posted that. They have been modified and now the context of everything I commented on is totally out of whack. One mistake I will own up to is not being more sensitive to newer members who don't have the same context and history that I have. I can see where people were offended by what I posted and for that I am sorry.

One last thing, anyone can play devil's advocate. The next time someone takes a cheap shot at PG for example, like saying (or implying) "they are only in it for the money" See if you appreciate being lectured "publicly" how you need to be more sensitive to "their feelings." The next time a "highly respected" high school coach comes on here and says the showcase industry has "hurt the game," rather than support you telling them to "go to he-ll," maybe I'll counsel you to be more sensitive. Maybe I'll try that approach rather than sending dozens of pm's and posting publicly your behalf. I think you know me well enough to know I would never do that however

Look, I don't expect you to take my side in this matter. But totally analyzing it and viewing it from one side perplexes me

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I am getting Navied, and Air Forced, and Bolted out. Please be mindful that this site is not all about your kids and their programs. It would be wonderful if just one time you showed some genuine interest in somebody elses kid or program. By that, I don't mean posting someone elses kid's name who has been cut.
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you have brought alot to this sight over the years. for that many of us are grateful. this isn't intended to be a dig.just what i see.

that said, last week we couldn't post players names in a negative way. even tough it was in a newspaper. which i tend to agree with.

so in that respect i think you were out of line with your post. you maybe should have sent a pm to AD. no real need to air it out in public. it didn't really follow the spirit of post etiquette. just my opinion.

a question thats good to consider before posting is, would i say this to his/her face? that may not be cyber proper. but i find it's a good way to conduct business. but...........i'm not real good at either one of them.

I'm big on discretion, and I think its always wise try to be mindful of others feelings when discussing their sons on this site. That said, I've just finished listening to an NPR report on photo coverage of flag draped coffins returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan. Parents of these brave young men and women don't have an option of whether the names of their loved ones, those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for their country, are disclosed. Just some perspective, that's all.

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I am getting Navied, and Air Forced, and Bolted out. Please be mindful that this site is not all about your kids and their programs. It would be wonderful if just one time you showed some genuine interest in somebody elses kid or program. By that, I don't mean posting someone elses kid's name who has been cut.
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you have brought alot to this sight over the years. for that many of us are grateful. this isn't intended to be a dig.just what i see.

that said, last week we couldn't post players names in a negative way. even tough it was in a newspaper. which i tend to agree with.

so in that respect i think you were out of line with your post. you maybe should have sent a pm to AD. no real need to air it out in public. it didn't really follow the spirit of post etiquette. just my opinion.

a question thats good to consider before posting is, would i say this to his/her face? that may not be cyber proper. but i find it's a good way to conduct business. but...........i'm not real good at either one of them.

That is a fair criticism. Thanks for your perspective.

Folks,

I apologize, but I'm closing this thread. I'm not comfortable with it, and personally I don't think our community benefits from continuing this conversation further publicly. Most people who are interested have had their chance to speak here. I know some may not agree, but I'm making a judgment call as the owner of the site. If someone has a solid reason for wanting it re-opened, please send me a PM.

Thanks,

Julie