5A Region I Area Round

South Grand Prairie vs. Coppell

Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

Weatherford at LBK Monterey (Thurs)

LBK Monterey at Weatherford (Sat)

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum/Huber vs. Bruce/Adams should be a dandy

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum vs. Bruce should be a dandy

Yep. Plano West got their 1 game. Flower Mound is just too deep to go three games against. FM saw Blum for one inning earlier in the year. Blum looked good despite giving up one earned run in that inning. Bruce has been very good all season and I would think he would get the start with Adams in relief (or visa versa). It should be one of the best matchups of the year! I definitely expect a low scoring, hard fought game!

South Grand Prairie vs. Coppell

Thursday 7pm @ Highland Park

Friday 7pm @ Highland Park

Saturday 12pm @ Highland Park

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Originally posted by HRKB:

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum vs. Bruce should be a dandy

Yep. Plano West got their 1 game. Flower Mound is just too deep to go three games against. FM saw Blum for one inning earlier in the year. Blum looked good despite giving up one earned run in that inning. Bruce has been very good all season and I would think he would get the start with Adams in relief (or visa versa). It should be one of the best matchups of the year! I definitely expect a low scoring, hard fought game!

This is such a chicken s*** way for a school the size of Plano West, and one that has the tradition of Plano West, to flip for one game. They know as well as anyone that it will take more than one pitcher to win at Round Rock.

This is but another reason UIL needs to set the standards for playoffs that ALL teams would follow. After all, is it not the intent to determine who the best TEAMS are? Because of the nature of baseball, even in a 3-game series the best does not always win but at least the winner of a 3-game series earned it.

PW, you should be ashamed.

Agreed. PW what a joke!

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Originally posted by NTXDAD:

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Originally posted by HRKB:

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum vs. Bruce should be a dandy

Yep. Plano West got their 1 game. Flower Mound is just too deep to go three games against. FM saw Blum for one inning earlier in the year. Blum looked good despite giving up one earned run in that inning. Bruce has been very good all season and I would think he would get the start with Adams in relief (or visa versa). It should be one of the best matchups of the year! I definitely expect a low scoring, hard fought game!

This is such a chicken s*** way for a school the size of Plano West, and one that has the tradition of Plano West, to flip for one game. They know as well as anyone that it will take more than one pitcher to win at Round Rock.

This is but another reason UIL needs to set the standards for playoffs that ALL teams would follow. After all, is it not the intent to determine who the best TEAMS are? Because of the nature of baseball, even in a 3-game series the best does not always win but at least the winner of a 3-game series earned it.

PW, you should be ashamed.

If FM is the better team then they should go out and win the game. While it may be a terrible rule PW has nothing to be ashamed about. Clearly they won the coin toss and are well within their rights to choose the one-game format. That said, Huber vs. Bruce should be an outstanding pitching matchup.

Wow, the rules are made by TX UIL and you are berating PW for using the rules? FM will
probably win, so what is the big deal? I would think the coaches at PW are just trying to even out the odds. Blame the folks at the UIL and just play the game.

Should be a great game.

Isn't the championship game in Round Rock a one game, winner take all? I would think this would be the perfect situation for any team. I mean, if you make it to the championship and you wanna win it all, you just get one shot!

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
Isn't the championship game in Round Rock a one game, winner take all? I would think this would be the perfect situation for any team. I mean, if you make it to the championship and you wanna win it all, you just get one shot!

Sorry, it's two games in two consecutive days. You can't throw (or sure shouldn't) the same pitcher both days!

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Originally posted by NTXDAD:

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Originally posted by NuffSaid:
Isn't the championship game in Round Rock a one game, winner take all? I would think this would be the perfect situation for any team. I mean, if you make it to the championship and you wanna win it all, you just get one shot!

Sorry, it's two games in two consecutive days. You can't throw (or sure shouldn't) the same pitcher both days!

On the UIL website it looks like the semi-finals are Friday June 11th and the Final Championship game is 1 game on Saturday June 12th.

Bracket

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum/Huber vs. Bruce/Adams should be a dandy

Well according to omahaorbust Adams should get the start since he is the Tuesday guy and Bruce is the Friday guy. We'll see. Just push Adams back one day right? I would think it's safe to say Huber will get the start in this one for PW.

They have 2 D1 pitchers! Come on Wolves. Ah, the one game series <-- another reason why the "best" team doesn't win state.

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
They have 2 D1 pitchers! Come on Wolves. Ah, the one game series <-- another reason why the "best" team doesn't win state.

I believe all 4 pitchers spoken of are D1 guys. Blum (Richmond), Huber (Duke), Adams (Tulane), Bruce (Oklahoma).

Sad for both teams. If PW wins they did it by working the system and they will be remembered for that. If FM loses they lost by the system working against them and they will be remembered for that. That is what the critics will say! The higher seed should get the home away in a three game series everytime. Everything else is a mental loss for the higher seed who has lost the flip. This is a mental hurdle for the higher seed before the game even starts. Shame on the UIL for allowing such a system where some teams get 2/3 and some get a one and done opportunity. Why should some get that and others not? It is a flawed system! The Colleyville/Marcus series last week is the way it should be done. Colleyville lost, but it was in a legit 2/3 series. Bravo for both of those coaches and teams for doing it the right way!

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Originally posted by HRKB:

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by HRKB:
Flower Mound v Plano West will be played at Denton Guyer field at 8PM on Wednesday the 12th. Single Game with FM being the home team. Looks to be a good one!

Any information on the other games from Region 1?

I take it PW won that flip? Blum vs. Bruce should be a dandy

Yep. Plano West got their 1 game. Flower Mound is just too deep to go three games against. FM saw Blum for one inning earlier in the year. Blum looked good despite giving up one earned run in that inning. Bruce has been very good all season and I would think he would get the start with Adams in relief (or visa versa). It should be one of the best matchups of the year! I definitely expect a low scoring, hard fought game!

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Sad for both teams. If PW wins they did it by working the system and they will be remembered for that. If FM loses they lost by the system working against them and they will be remembered for that.

I don't recall anyone saying that last year when Coppell had a 1 game series in the first round.

DFW,
Why is it problem for PW if they are fortunate to win the game? Are those the rules laid out by the UIL? FM is deeper in pitching and the bats are probably better at PW. Should be a good game, but FM has been more consistent and will probably win. Which makes all of this moot..

Good luck the rest of the way.

hornsr1, you are so right. The problem is not PW or any school that chooses to use the system to their advantage, the problem is a system that does not make one bit of sense. Rewarding a team by allowing a flip for anything is a true mental loss for the better team before the game even starts. Here is how it plays out. A team like FM wins district, they now have to hope they don't get flipped. They do, and lose the flip, now they have to do what they did not want to do, they've lost a mental edge before the game starts. Not to say they can't win, but why put either team in that situation in the first place. I can't imagine the better team getting flipped for anything in football!!!!! The UIL has to get this fixed. In the mean time let all teams "work the rules" to their advantage and may the "flipped team" and the flipper enjoy! The "flip" was a consession the coaches made a number of years back. It used to be if either team wanted a 1 game serious it was 1 game. That was flawed as well!

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Originally posted by hornsr1:
Wow, the rules are made by TX UIL and you are berating PW for using the rules? FM will
probably win, so what is the big deal? I would think the coaches at PW are just trying to even out the odds. Blame the folks at the UIL and just play the game.

Should be a great game.

DFW,

While I applaud your belief in your team, I think the reason the PW folks picked a 1 game playoff was the depth of the FM pitching staff and not the "better team" scenario. The game earlier this year at the RoughRider stadium proved that.

There are 3 boys at PW who have played in the State Champ game who have rings that probably feel differently and until FM wins it all that can not be disputed.

However, I stick by my statement that FM has been a more consistent team throughout the year and will probably win the game........

there are more than 3 with rings - there are actually 6 players who were on the varsity in the state championshi year - 4 of them played regularly that year

Jesuit @ SLC Wed 4:00
SLC @ Jesuit Fri 4:30
Sat if necessary 1:00 @ Coppell

My money is on burleson

hornsr1. I don't have a horse in this race. Just believe the system is flawed. Ask the Keller girls or Coppell girls softball teams if they think it should be an automatic 2/3 series!

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Originally posted by hornsr1:
DFW,

While I applaud your belief in your team, I think the reason the PW folks picked a 1 game playoff was the depth of the FM pitching staff and not the "better team" scenario. The game earlier this year at the RoughRider stadium proved that.

There are 3 boys at PW who have played in the State Champ game who have rings that probably feel differently and until FM wins it all that can not be disputed.

However, I stick by my statement that FM has been a more consistent team throughout the year and will probably win the game........

There seems to be a prevailing opinion that the "Better" team is the one that, given enough games against the same opponent, will eventually win more. As baseball goes, I think we all know that this definition of "Better" might just mean: "Deeper pitching staff".

But maybe the "Better" team is really the one that figures out how to answer the call, whatever challenge is placed in front of them, throughout the entire course of the uncertain playoffs. One-game playoff this week, three game the next...figure out how to win key games when you have to win them. If a team can't deal intellectually with losing a coin toss and then having to win one key game, maybe they're not so "Better"...?

After all, you do get 7 innings in a single game to prove your point.

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Originally posted by wraggArm:


But maybe the "Better" team is really the one that figures out how to answer the call, whatever challenge is placed in front of them, throughout the entire course of the uncertain playoffs. One-game playoff this week, three game the next...figure out how to win key games when you have to win them. If a team can't deal intellectually with losing a coin toss and then having to win one key game, maybe they're not so "Better"...?

Excuse me sir. Your making too much sense.

Wragg,

I think it is actually a numbers issue, the last time I checked there are players that play in the field that constitute part of the "team". Doesn't mean the team is better, just has more bodies available, in most cases.

I think the numbers will work for you, lol.

Guys, lets get this straight. If I was a coach I'd work the UIL system to the best of my ability for my team... whatever the strengths or weaknesses might be. All teams and all kids are great and any can win or lose on any given day. My point is that the system is flawed. I can not think of one good reason for the system to allow for "flips". I'm a proponent for the system to be changed to 2 out of 3 for every series. Unless some people can start pointing me toward good reasons. I've not heard one in the last 8 years. That is my only point!

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Originally posted by wraggArm:
There seems to be a prevailing opinion that the "Better" team is the one that, given enough games against the same opponent, will eventually win more. As baseball goes, I think we all know that this definition of "Better" might just mean: "Deeper pitching staff".

But maybe the "Better" team is really the one that figures out how to answer the call, whatever challenge is placed in front of them, throughout the entire course of the uncertain playoffs. One-game playoff this week, three game the next...figure out how to win key games when you have to win them. If a team can't deal intellectually with losing a coin toss and then having to win one key game, maybe they're not so "Better"...?

After all, you do get 7 innings in a single game to prove your point.

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Originally posted by wraggArm:
There seems to be a prevailing opinion that the "Better" team is the one that, given enough games against the same opponent, will eventually win more. As baseball goes, I think we all know that this definition of "Better" might just mean: "Deeper pitching staff".

But maybe the "Better" team is really the one that figures out how to answer the call, whatever challenge is placed in front of them, throughout the entire course of the uncertain playoffs. One-game playoff this week, three game the next...figure out how to win key games when you have to win them. If a team can't deal intellectually with losing a coin toss and then having to win one key game, maybe they're not so "Better"...?

After all, you do get 7 innings in a single game to prove your point.

I think it is important to point out that it is the bloggers on this message board who are debating this issue of 1 or 3 games. I have not heard one athlete at FM complain or express any kind of concern about the 1 game playoff. I think the boys on both teams will be up for the game and will put forth their best effort. In the end, it will be the team that plays the best on that 1 day, but I don't think you will hear any complaints from the athletes, just the dads on this message board. And by the way, I agree it should always be a 3 game series, but unfortunately that is not how the system is set up.

HRKB
Well said and I agree 100% as it should be with the players. But change happens when people who care strive to have constructive discussion aimed at what is better for the long run. The UIL is a tough group, but they have listened and changed things in the past. Someday we will all look back and agree change was a long time in coming on this issue. But I absolutely with the best of luck to all the boys playing this week. There will be winners there will be losers, but everyone is blessed to be participating in the game!

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Originally posted by HRKB:

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Originally posted by wraggArm:
There seems to be a prevailing opinion that the "Better" team is the one that, given enough games against the same opponent, will eventually win more. As baseball goes, I think we all know that this definition of "Better" might just mean: "Deeper pitching staff".

But maybe the "Better" team is really the one that figures out how to answer the call, whatever challenge is placed in front of them, throughout the entire course of the uncertain playoffs. One-game playoff this week, three game the next...figure out how to win key games when you have to win them. If a team can't deal intellectually with losing a coin toss and then having to win one key game, maybe they're not so "Better"...?

After all, you do get 7 innings in a single game to prove your point.

I think it is important to point out that it is the bloggers on this message board who are debating this issue of 1 or 3 games. I have not heard one athlete at FM complain or express any kind of concern about the 1 game playoff. I think the boys on both teams will be up for the game and will put forth their best effort. In the end, it will be the team that plays the best on that 1 day, but I don't think you will hear any complaints from the athletes, just the dads on this message board. And by the way, I agree it should always be a 3 game series, but unfortunately that is not how the system is set up.

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Originally posted by DFWFan:
Unless some people can start pointing me toward good reasons. I've not heard one in the last 8 years.

A good reason for me is that I won the flip in round one and won the game. Area round, lost flip...to be continued.



Just poking a little fun. I will utilize the system as long as I am able to, but I understand your point.

Yeah, I'm not really questioning the ethics of how a coach should play the coing toss, nor whether FM is up to a one game challenge.

I'm really just trying to look at the other side of the 3-game series vs. coin toss argument. I'm just saying that, even as poorly concieved as the current playoff format is, the end result may actually be a more robust gauntlet to test a team's "bestness". A team has to be able to deal with a broader range of challenges with a more uncertain road to the playoffs.

Also, let us not forget that when they get to Austin (Round Rock) it is going to be one gamers.

Regarding the UIL rules on playoffs consisting of 1 game or best of 3 series, you have to take into consideration the smaller schools and the amount of distance they have to travel. Typically there are several playoffs that are one gamers due to travel expense for these teams. You have to leave that option open for them.

As far as FM and PW......just play! It's the same for both teams.

The "best" team may or may not win a one game series, and may or may not even win a best of three series. But, that's not really the problem. The real problem with the current system is that it puts a 4th place team on exactly the same footing as a District winner. With this system, a 4th place team that wins a coin toss can dictate to a District winner the format of the play-off. Honestly, something about that is not right.

4th place usually takes about a .500 record, which basically means having one good pitcher during the District season. District champion, however, requires a deeper and more solid all-around team. Why is a team that excels in District play put on exactly the same footage as a team that manages to scrape by?

Now, as the teams advance in the play-offs, this disparity diminishes, since all teams have proved themselves by winning a play-off. But, the prinicipal is the same--the 'weaker' team is always able to dictate the format to the 'stronger' team, assuming their coach is lucky on a coin flip.

I may have this wrong, but as I recall, PW did not lose a game until the play-offs during their State Championship season. Didn't they lose the first game of a 3 game series during that run? Had their opponent opted for a one game play-off, and won the flip, PW wouldn't have been Champs that year--does that mean that they really were not "better."

Look at this year's play-offs in 5A Round 1. A substantial number of 3 game series have been won by the team that lost the first game. Those winners are advancing, while other teams that lost a coin flip did not get the same opportunity to advance. I repeat--something about that is not right.

As everyone who frequents this Board knows, Baseball turns so much on the pitchers' performance in a given game, what breaks occur, the bounce of the ball, etc. I suspect that the Royals will beat the Yankees in a given game this year--does anyone really think that makes them the better team? Now, I
understand that the State Champion is not crowned the "best team," but a system for reaching the State Champion which actually works against the best team is not a good one, IMHO.

It is the way it works in all sports...not just baseball.

You people crack me up.
If you are the so called better team, then go out and prove it in a one game, 2 out of 3, 3 out of 5, 4 out of 7, 5 out of 8, or a game of rock, paper, scissors. If your the best it will show up. When it comes to the playoffs it don't matter if your a one or a four or a two or a three. THE better team finds a way to win.
Give me a break.