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Originally posted by Hopperhop:
I am going to have to go with the Patriots. I think that the players from the 85 Bears are to old, slow and out of shape to give them a really good game. How anyone thinks that the 85 Bears would have a chance is just crazy in my mind. What a silly question.


But what if Da Coach was allowed to play, even on defense?
soxnole.........

You still smok'n those doobies or what???????? crazy

For some reason, you really must think that everything revolves around something in Florida!!!! When are you moving?????????

Next to the the Steelers of the seventies, there is no team that can compare to the 85 Bears defense period!!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, for stupid ownership, they didn't have the opportunity to challenge the Steelers Super Bowl accomplishments of that era, and my personal opinion still thinks that the 85 Bears were better than those Steelers teams, and those were great Steelers teams. My favorite. Maybe I'm wrong.

Based upon the topic posted, the 85 Bears 96, the Pats 2, and Ditka gets 12 points of the 96 because he is needed to fill-in for Gold who gets "turf toe" in the first quarter. The Pats get the two from a safety, because McMahon's headband slipped down over one-eye and he couldn't see to good having stepped out of bounds over the endline of the end zone.

DA BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Boomer, great to hear from you. Thanks for your post because it means that the rest of us don't have to do it! Manny Fernandez and the rest of those undersized defensive linemen would be flattened by the Pat's O line. They wouldn't get close to Brady.

Where you and I might differ is that I believe that this NE team is truly great, with an equally great head coach. Given two weeks to prepare to play the '85 Bears, I think I'd give the edge to Belichek over 'Da Coach. Sorry.
rosy.....

I love you dearly, but you must have access to the same cannibus that 'sox' has!!!

You have got to be kidding when you tell me how great a coach Bilichek is! His success was not so good before he went to Boston. When you compare Brady to McMahon, you know I have to go with Brady because of his talent. McMahon was a 'gunslinger.' Kind of a "cleaned-up" version of Dennis Rodman, who I had a love-hate feeling for, if you understand what I mean. But really, McMahon was the fuse that lit the fire under that 85 team, so I really think a lot of him.

The Pats defense can't compare to the 85 Bears, and the offense, well I don't know??? But, again, do you remember the number of 'shutout' victories the 85 team had going into the Super Bowl? Think about that. Plus, are the players the same, size and strength wise? That can also be said about the 85 team as compared to the teams of the seventies and sixties. Think about the talent within football itself, does it match-up to the talent of all those teams from that time frame or before, or after??

When you really think about it, you can never compare any team to another team from a different decade. The same is true in any sport, or if you try to compare one athlete to another. There are to many variables that will never allow an apples-to-apples comparison of talent between those teams and players of different decades. Anyone out there in "posters land" can agree or disagree with me, but when you watched that team play during that season you always thought about the Steelers from the seventies and their dynasty. I really believe that Bears team could have surpassed that Steelers team as far as greatness is concerned IF the dumb Bears ownership didn't break the team up, and you know what I mean. The Cowboys and 49er's had awesome teams, but none like the Steelers, and possibly the Bears, if they would have stayed together. JMHO
CPLZ

If the Pats defense does not do what it does in the RED ZONE---they do not give the Brady Bunch the chance to do what they and that is score when it is truly needed---TEAM GAME--remember that when it come to crunch time


By the way as an old time NYer, now in CT, I am picking the Giants in the super bowl


For the uninformed much of CT is longtime Giant fan territory
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Boomer!

Happy New Year!

Your post was 100% correct.

That is because you mentioned only the defense.

Marino, by the way, had his way with that defense.

But I will grudingly agree that the 85 Bears were great and....better than the current Pats D.

Having said that, Marino would have a field day with this 07/08 Pats D. If these Giants could score 38 then the 85 Fins might have scored 90!

Bottom Line is that the 85 Bears lost...to my team...they are NOT in consideration for any all-time anything.....except defense.(and that defense looked brutal against Marino, Clayton and Duper)

If the Pats do it, and they certainly should, then the 72 Fins are 2nd all-time.

Then you guys can continue to fight with the great Pittsburgh and 49er teams for 3rd place.

CASE CLOSED.
soxnole....

Happy New Year to you as well!!!

You are forever the diplomat!! Being polite, a bit wishy-washy, never admitting that you might be wrong, and over exaggerating. You sound like a Republican who never makes mistakes. And don't you compare that Dolphin team with the Steelers of the seventies. Don't even go and say the current Pats team was better than any of those Steelers teams.

Sox, we can agree to disagree, but in the words of a certain icon, "who you crappin!!!"

XOXOXOXO
Boomer
I'm with BeenThere.

If you look at the rosters (below) you will see it would not be close. New England in 2008 would smash the 1985 Bears. The NE DBs are as big or bigger than Chicago's LBs. The NE OL outweigh Bears DL by 25-30 lbs per man. Chicago did not have a QB worthy of the name, McMahon was all hat and no cattle. They had Payton, all 205 lbs and 4.6 40 of him, who would have trouble against 250 lb LBs who run 4.5 40s and benchpress 450 lbs, or 210 lb safeties who are about the same as the LBs in speed and strength.

There simply is no comparison between the athletes on the 2008 Pats and those on the 1985 Bears in terms of size, speed, and strength. The Bears might not score from the offensive side, though they could score by taking the ball away from NE through a fumble return or such. They could not counter Randy Moss, nor could their WRs (excepy maybe Willie Gault) run away from the Pat's DBs. Tom Brady would pick the Bears apart methodically and surely.

By the same token, the 1985 Bears would destroy the 1972 Dolphins for all the same reasons. The 1972 Dolphins would have matched up against the 1967 Packers, probably beat them, although the differences between late-1960s and 1970s athletes was not as large as between 1970s and 1980s, and so forth.

The best matches would be the 1990s Cowboys or late 1970s Steelers versus the 1985 Bears. Those teams may have been close athletically and size-wise.

In any case, the NFL has never been tougher, meaner, and more athletic as it is today.


1985 Chicago Bears Roster

Age Pos G GS Wt Ht College/Univ BirthDate Yrs Drafted (tm/rnd/yr)
Brad Anderson 24 WR 14 0 198 6-2 Arizona,BYU 1/12/1961 1 Chicago Bears / 8th / 1984

Tom Andrews 23 T-C 14 0 265 6-4 Louisville 1/11/1962 1 Chicago Bears / 4th / 1984

Kurt Becker 27 G 3 3 271 6-5 Michigan 12/22/1958 3 Chicago Bears / 6th / 1982

Mark Bortz 24 G 16 16 282 6-6 Iowa 2/12/1961 2 Chicago Bears / 8th / 1983

Maury Buford 25 P 16 0 191 6-1 Texas Tech 2/18/1960 3 San Diego Chargers / 8th / 1982

Kevin Butler+ 23 K 16 0 215 6-0 Georgia 7/24/1962 Rook Chicago Bears / 4th / 1985

Brian Cabral 29 LB 1 0 233 6-1 Colorado 6/23/1956 6 Atlanta Falcons / 4th / 1978

Jimbo Covert*+ 25 T 15 15 277 6-4 Pittsburgh 3/22/1960 2 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1983

Richard Dent*+ 25 DE 16 16 265 6-5 Tennessee State 12/13/1960 2 Chicago Bears / 8th / 1983

Dave Duerson* 25 DB 15 15 207 6-1 Notre Dame 11/28/1960 2 Chicago Bears / 3rd / 1983

Gary Fencik+ 31 DB 16 16 194 6-1 Yale 6/11/1954 9 Miami Dolphins / 10th / 1976

Leslie Frazier 26 DB 16 16 189 6-0 Alcorn State 4/3/1959 4
Andy Frederick 31 T 16 1 257 6-6 New Mexico 7/25/1954 8 Dallas Cowboys / 5th / 1977

Steve Fuller 28 QB 16 5 198 6-4 Clemson 1/5/1957 6 Kansas City Chiefs / 1st / 1979

Willie Gault 25 WR 16 16 181 6-0 Tennessee 9/5/1960 2 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1983

Shaun Gayle 23 DB 16 0 202 5-11 Ohio State 3/8/1962 1 Chicago Bears / 10th / 1984

Dennis Gentry 26 WR-RB 16 0 181 5-8 Baylor 2/10/1959 3 Chicago Bears / 4th / 1982

Dan Hampton*+ 28 DE-DT 16 15 264 6-5 Arkansas 9/19/1957 6 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1979

Mike Hartenstine 32 DE 16 8 251 6-3 Penn State 7/27/1953 10 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1975

Jay Hilgenberg*+ 26 C-G 16 16 259 6-3 Iowa 3/21/1959 4
Stefan Humphries 23 G 11 0 265 6-3 Michigan 1/20/1962 1 Chicago Bears / 3rd / 1984

Tyrone Keys 26 DE-LB 16 0 272 6-7 Mississippi State 10/24/1959 2 New York Jets / 5th / 1981

James Maness 22 WR 8 0 174 6-1 TCU 5/1/1963 Rook Chicago Bears / 3rd / 1985

Ken Margerum 27 WR 16 2 175 6-0 Stanford 10/5/1958 4 Chicago Bears / 3rd / 1981

Wilber Marshall 23 LB 16 15 231 6-1 Florida 4/18/1962 1 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1984

Dennis McKinnon 24 WR 14 13 185 6-1 Florida State 8/22/1961 2
Jim McMahon*+ 26 QB 13 11 195 6-1 BYU 8/21/1959 3 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1982

Steve McMichael+ 28 DT-NT 16 16 270 6-2 Texas 10/17/1957 5 New England Patriots / 3rd / 1980

Emery Moorehead 31 TE-WR 15 14 218 6-2 Colorado 3/22/1954 8 New York Giants / 6th / 1977

Jim Morrissey 23 LB 15 0 223 6-3 Michigan State 12/24/1962 Rook Chicago Bears / 11th / 1985

Keith Ortego 22 WR 7 0 180 6-0 McNeese State 8/30/1963 Rook
Walter Payton*+ 31 RB 16 16 200 5-10 Jackson State 7/25/1954 10 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1975

William Perry 23 DT-DE 16 9 235 6-2 Clemson 12/16/1962 Rook Chicago Bears / 1st / 1985

Reggie Phillips 25 DB 16 1 170 5-10 SMU 12/12/1960 Rook Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1985

Mike Richardson 24 DB 14 14 187 6-0 Arizona State 5/23/1961 2 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1983

Ron Rivera 23 LB 16 0 239 6-3 California 1/7/1962 1 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1984

Thomas Sanders 23 RB 15 0 203 5-11 Texas A&M 1/4/1962 Rook Chicago Bears / 9th / 1985

Mike Singletary*+ 27 LB 16 16 230 6-0 Baylor 10/9/1958 4 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1981

Matt Suhey 27 RB 16 16 217 5-11 Penn State 7/7/1958 5 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 1980

Ken Taylor 22 DB 16 1 185 6-1 Oregon State 9/2/1963 Rook
Tom Thayer 24 G-C 16 13 271 6-4 Notre Dame 8/16/1961 Rook Chicago Bears / 4th / 1983

Calvin Thomas 25 RB 14 0 239 5-11 Illinois 1/7/1960 3
Cliff Thrift 29 LB 16 2 232 6-1 East Central (OK) 5/3/1956 6 San Diego Chargers / 3rd / 1979

Mike Tomczak 23 QB 6 0 202 6-1 Ohio State 10/23/1962 Rook
Keith Van Horne 28 T 16 16 281 6-6 USC 11/6/1957 4 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1981

Henry Waechter 26 DE-DT 13 0 270 6-5 Nebraska 2/13/1959 3 Chicago Bears / 7th / 1982

Otis Wilson*+ 28 LB 16 16 227 6-2 Louisville,Syracuse 9/15/1957 5 Chicago Bears / 1st / 1980

Tim Wrightman 25 TE 16 3 237 6-3 UCLA 3/27/1960 Rook Chicago Bears / 3rd / 1982

Team Total 25.7 16 224.9 6-1.8 3.0
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2008 New England Patriots Roster

52 Alexander, Eric LB 6'2" 240 2/8/1982 3 Louisiana State
23 Andrews, Willie CB 5'10" 190 11/2/1983 2 Baylor
88 Brady, Kyle TE 6'6" 280 1/14/1972 13 Penn State
12 Brady, Tom QB 6'4" 225 8/3/1977 8 Michigan
65 Britt, Wesley T 6'8" 320 11/21/1981 2 Alabama
80 Brown, Troy WR 5'10" 196 7/2/1971 15 Marshall
54 Bruschi, Tedy ILB 6'1" 247 6/9/1973 12 Arizona
16 Cassel, Matt QB 6'4" 230 5/17/1982 3 USC
59 Colvin, Rosevelt* OLB 6'3" 250 9/5/1977 9 Purdue
38 Eckel, Kyle RB 5'11" 237 12/30/1981 1 Navy
44 Evans, Heath FB 6'0" 250 12/30/1978 7 Auburn
33 Faulk, Kevin RB 5'8" 202 6/5/1976 9 Louisiana State
10 Gaffney, Jabar WR 6'1" 200 12/1/1980 6 Florida
21 ***, Randall CB 5'11" 190 5/5/1982 4 Louisiana State
3 Gostkowski, Stephen K 6'1" 210 1/28/1984 2 Memphis
97 Green, Jarvis DE 6'3" 285 1/12/1979 6 Louisiana State
7 Gutierrez, Matt QB 6'4" 230 6/9/1984 0 Idaho State
6 Hanson, Chris P 6'2" 202 10/25/1976 8 Marshall
37 Harrison, Rodney SS 6'1" 220 12/15/1972 14 Western Illinois
27 Hobbs, Ellis CB 5'9" 195 5/16/1983 3 Iowa State
71 Hochstein, Russ G 6'4" 305 10/7/1977 7 Nebraska
53 Izzo, Larry LB 5'10" 228 9/26/1974 12 Rice
17 Jackson, Chad WR 6'1" 215 3/6/1985 2 Florida
77 Kaczur, Nick T 6'4" 315 7/28/1979 3 Toledo
67 Koppen, Dan C 6'2" 296 9/12/1979 5 Boston College
72 Light, Matt T 6'4" 305 6/23/1978 7 Purdue
49 Lua, Oscar* LB 6'1" 240 5/9/1984 0 USC
70 Mankins, Logan G 6'4" 310 3/10/1982 3 Fresno State
39 Maroney, Laurence RB 5'11" 220 2/5/1985 2 Minnesota
31 Meriweather, Brandon DB 5'11" 200 1/14/1984 0 Miami (Fla.)
24 Mitchell, Mel* DB 6'1" 225 2/10/1979 6 Western Kentucky
95 Moore, Rashad DT 6'3" 325 3/16/1979 4 Tennessee
34 Morris, Sammy* RB 6'0" 220 3/23/1977 8 Texas Tech
81 Moss, Randy WR 6'4" 210 2/13/1977 10 Marshall
61 Neal, Steve G 6'4" 305 10/9/1976 6 Cal State-Bakersfield
68 O'Callaghan, Ryan T 6'7" 330 7/19/1983 2 California
66 Paxton, Lonie LS 6'2" 260 3/13/1978 8 Sacramento State
35 Richardson, Mike* DB 5'11" 190 2/18/1984 0 Notre Dame
22 Samuel, Asante CB 5'10" 185 1/6/1981 5 Central Florida
36 Sanders, James FS 5'10" 210 11/11/1983 3 Fresno State
30 Scott, Chad* CB 6'1" 205 9/6/1974 11 Maryland
55 Seau, Junior ILB 6'3" 250 1/19/1969 18 USC
93 Seymour, Richard DE 6'6" 310 10/6/1979 7 Georgia
90 Smith, Le Kevin DT 6'1" 308 7/21/1982 2 Nebraska
82 Spach, Stephen TE 6'4" 250 7/18/1982 2 Fresno State
28 Spann, Antwain DB 6'0" 195 2/22/1983 2 Louisiana-Lafayette
18 Stallworth, Donte' WR 6'0" 200 11/10/1980 6 Tennessee
96 Thomas, Adalius ILB 6'2" 270 8/18/1977 8 Southern Mississippi
86 Thomas, David* TE 6'3" 248 7/5/1983 2 Texas
41 Ventrone, Raymond DB 5'10" 200 10/21/1982 2 Villanova
50 Vrabel, Mike OLB 6'4" 261 8/14/1975 11 Ohio State
94 Warren, Ty DE 6'5" 300 2/6/1981 5 Texas A&M
15 Washington, Kelley WR 6'3" 215 8/21/1979 5 Tennessee
84 Watson, Benjamin TE 6'3" 255 12/18/1980 4 Georgia
83 Welker, Wes WR 5'9" 185 5/1/1981 4 Texas Tech
75 Wilfork, Vince NT 6'2" 325 11/4/1981 4 Miami (Fla.)
26 Wilson, Eugene FS 5'10" 195 8/17/1980 5 Illinois
58 Woods, Pierre LB 6'5" 250 1/6/1982 2 Michigan
99 Wright, Mike* DE 6'4" 295 3/1/1982 3 Cincinnati
Outstanding legwork TARatko. Also an outstanding post. The NFL features bigger faster and stronger players now than ever before. This really makes any comparison of teams between different eras a waste of time, though fun nonetheless.

As great as the 85 Bears defense was, it played against NFL offenses from 1985. This Pats offense is the best offense in NFL history and it is foolish to expect a team that was stallar more than two decades ago to be competitive in the modern NFL.
TAR....

My friend, it's great to hear from you, it has been a while. How is your son, your family?

Knowing that my posts would get a "rise" out of some, I can only agree. Yes, "size does make a difference!!!" Having said that, if you compare the 85 Bears/Pats teams to todays Pats/Giants, you could conceivably have a similar match-up as far as talent is concerned. When you think about it, even though New England was in the Super Bowl in 85, their team was really over matched Like I think the current game looks to be.

Been and you are correct when you talk about talent, size, whatever, and don't forget the HGH!! yes, the 2008 Pats would probably beat the 85 Bears, but how many teams did the Pats "shut-out" this past season? You still can't convince me that those shutouts the Bears had were just a fluke, no way!! If your syaing that the players of today are that much better across the league than they were back in 85, then we really shouldn't be comparing anything from era to era, should we!!!!!!

Just like in baseball, go back and check the "dead ball" era, or compare that to the the late 90's, or when the pitching mound gets raised or lowered, or when the umpires decide to tighten the strike zone. Everything is different, but close to being the same except for some variables. What I'm saying is that you really can't compare anything from player-to-player, team-to-team, era-to-era. If the Pats win Sunday, without question, they will be the "greatest" team of all time with their winning record.

Besides, if it came to comparing the 85 Bears to the 08 Pats, The Bears would still win because of the DA COACH!!! Ditka would open a can of whoop-*** on Bilacek!!!!! That breaks ALL ties, it breaks everything.

Wink
Hey Boomer. We're doing well here, Zak is at SIU Edwardsville, happy and in love...God has smiled upon him with the young lady he has been dating for the past year and a half, whom we fully expect to call our daughter-in-law one day.

And you want to know, I don't miss baseball one bit. It took some time for me to realize what a "normal" life is. I'm back into my music, my car, my career, my life, and as empty nesters Holly and I are having some fun again. In fact, I tell folk it's "clothing optional" at our house so you had better ring the bell before coming in...Plus, we bought a place on the beach on Longboat Key, Florida and spend as much time there as we can. I'm waiting for a grandson to help along, knowing what I wished I'd known 5-10 years ago about baseball and what it takes, if you get my drift.

From my few recent visits to the HSBBW, it seems your guy is enjoying school, doing well, and progressing at Rochester (?). That's great. Hope thing are going well for you and your wife and family.

As for the 1985 Bears versus 2008 Pats, I have to hold my position - no contest, Pats have too much size, speed, and talent. How would the Bears counter, just for one example, DE Richard Seymour at 6'6" 310 lbs and likely a sub-5 second 40? Tom Brady is as big as, or bigger than, all three Bears LBs. The Pats LB are all at least 245-250 and 6'3" or 4". I'll take Maroney over Payton in todays game, no contest. Randy Moss at 6'4" and 220 versus 6' 180 Willie Gault? Same speed, vastly different sizes. Size wins.

Take care my friend, good luck this season. I'll think of you when I'm sitting on the beach in March, 80 degrees, sipping a cold one, rather than sitting on a bleacher somewhere it's 45 degrees and sleeting... Cool
TAR, my friend!!!!.........

To hell with the Bears, and with the PATS! I'm waiting for baseball!!!!!!! Glad to hear everyone is doing well. Don't rush the wedding and grand kids yet. Our twin grand-daughters from our second oldest daugther are a handful. And when you talk about clothes vs. no-clothes, well forget the wedding, future daughter-in-law, grand kids, everything, there is nothing like re-bonding with the woman that is partially responsible for the two of you being together. Sorry "bud," but I really don't want to picture you without those clothes!!!

Anyway, I do like the T.V. commercial where the couple wind-up in the bath tubs with some spectacular views, not to mention the female torso. That would be kind of nice, especially with a cool-one or two!!!

Andy's doing great at Rochester, and for the first time since entering first grade, he did not have all 'A's'!!! A girlfriend, now an ex-, baseball, and a tough Biomedical Engineering program have kept him busy. He has played in several men's baseball leagues over the last two summers, and is planning on doing a Bio-Medical Internship this summer in addition to the baseball. God love him for his determination and focus.

Mom and me will be down in Tampa and Orlando from the 7th of March until the 16th with Andy's team. Longboat Key, you say, that's really funny since I'm here in Longshovel La Grange! Big Grin

It's good to hear from you my friend, and please, send everyone my "best!!!" No clothes huh!!! What a guy!!!
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TAR....

They start their regular spring schedule the 8th against Drew University, and play at Florida College in Tampa. The next two days, they play conference doubleheaders against Skidmore College, again in Tampa, but this time at Miller Huggins Stadium. They haven't done the conference games out of town before, but because the weather in New York in March and April has been bad, they decided to play them in Florida so they could at least get the games in. They lost 6 games due to weather last season.

Then on Tuesday they start their UAA (United Athletic Association) tournament against Emory, Brandeis, Case Western, and Washington University. These games are all played in Sanford north of Orlando. These games are played at Sanford Memorial Stadium. The tournament ends on the 15th.
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Originally posted by BoomerIL:
TAR....

They start their regular spring schedule the 8th against Drew University, and play at Florida College in Tampa. The next two days, they play conference doubleheaders against Skidmore College, again in Tampa, but this time at Miller Huggins Stadium. They haven't done the conference games out of town before, but because the weather in New York in March and April has been bad, they decided to play them in Florida so they could at least get the games in. They lost 6 games due to weather last season.

Then on Tuesday they start their UAA (United Athletic Association) tournament against Emory, Brandeis, Case Western, and Washington University. These games are all played in Sanford north of Orlando. These games are played at Sanford Memorial Stadium. The tournament ends on the 15th.



I guess we can all say it NOW....da BEARS

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