quote:Hey Andy, we got to see Sam make that long walk to the parking lot this year didn't we? Seeing Sam thrown out of a game was worth the price of admission. Big Grin
Did you pay to get in that night?
Did you pay to get in that night?
Did you pay to get in that night?
Almost home. I will.
Fan,
If they ruled interference on the runner during the conference time, then the runners have to go back. The ball going in the OF not an issue if the runner caused it by being out of the lane.
I believe you when you say the runner wasn't out of the lane, but apparently, the umpire(s) thought he was and made the right ruling based on what they 'saw'.
They didn't call it dead then, but they must have ruled it dead when they met. Is that what you are describing?
If they ruled interference on the runner during the conference time, then the runners have to go back. The ball going in the OF not an issue if the runner caused it by being out of the lane.
I believe you when you say the runner wasn't out of the lane, but apparently, the umpire(s) thought he was and made the right ruling based on what they 'saw'.
They didn't call it dead then, but they must have ruled it dead when they met. Is that what you are describing?
Andy - I am trying to follow you. What runner interference and what was the basis for the interference? Are you talking about the hitter committing the interference? If so, what is the basis?
Andy - I am following you now. I can clearly tell you the hitter's right foot was in the box with one stride before hitting the bag. I have seen interference called twice in the same game. Both times the runners were straddling the baseline.
I still think it is home cooking. The umps did not call the interference until after the play, which is when Sam told them what they saw.
Please keep in mind if all went the way I thought it should does not mean a different outcome in the game. I just hate it when the umpires decide to play the game instead of enforcing it. You either see the play and call it, or you did not and go on.
I still think it is home cooking. The umps did not call the interference until after the play, which is when Sam told them what they saw.
Please keep in mind if all went the way I thought it should does not mean a different outcome in the game. I just hate it when the umpires decide to play the game instead of enforcing it. You either see the play and call it, or you did not and go on.
Can we get any scores from other games?
I was there. Runner quit running and actually backed up- the umpire calls him out and the ball is dead. The first baseman threw to first and hit the runner but did not need to throw to first since the play was dead. Runners returned to third and second. Actually, the umpire should have had the runners returned to third and first where they started.
Sam did what any coach would do in that situation.
Sam did what any coach would do in that situation.
I'm not an umpire and only know about half the rules but, why is the ball dead? Did the umpire call time? The runner is not automatically out by stopping, right? Or is it a dead ball dead by virtue of the fact the runner gave himself up? Why should the runners have to go back to the original spots? Fill in the blanks.
JABO
JABO
quote:Originally posted by justabitoutside:
I'm not an umpire and only know about half the rules but, why is the ball dead? Did the umpire call time? The runner is not automatically out by stopping, right? Or is it a dead ball dead by virtue of the fact the runner gave himself up? Why should the runners have to go back to the original spots? Fill in the blanks.
JABO
I am no umpire, but in another sport that resembles baseball, but with a larger yellow ball, the runner can stop while running home to first, but once they back up, they are out. You can go either direction between any base but home and first. So, does anyone know if the same rule applies in baseball? If it does, that would explain the out, dead ball, and runners return. No home cookin in that case, just the rules.... Disclaimer: hypothetical until someone can confirm if that rule applies to baseball also.
DBAT 17 - 8
DBAT 18 - 2
5:00 Elimination Game @ TCU - Mustangs v. DBAT 18
7:00 @ TCU - Tigers 17 v. DBAT 17
DBAT 17 undefeated
DBAT 18 - 2
5:00 Elimination Game @ TCU - Mustangs v. DBAT 18
7:00 @ TCU - Tigers 17 v. DBAT 17
DBAT 17 undefeated
The batter runner is not out for stopping or backing up in baseball. This is no different than any other runner trying to avoid a tag. The fielder taking one or 8 steps toward the mound has nothing to do with it. The runner must have BOTH feet in the running lane. If not, then interference can be called. If interference is called, batter/runner is out, the ball is dead and ALL runners return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. (The time of the pitch is when the pitcher starts any movement associated with his pitching motion.)
I was not at this game, but that is the rule. The interference thing on the throw is also only while throwing to first. If the throw is coming to home from first and it hits the runner, that's just a bad throw, unless the runner is jumping in front of the ball. In that case you will have interference.
I was not at this game, but that is the rule. The interference thing on the throw is also only while throwing to first. If the throw is coming to home from first and it hits the runner, that's just a bad throw, unless the runner is jumping in front of the ball. In that case you will have interference.
Can someone explain to me how this works. DBAT 17's are undefeated Tigers, Mustangs and DBAT 18's have one loss. What happens if the Tigers beat the 17's and there are 3 teams left with one loss?
quote:Originally posted by juiceless:
Can someone explain to me how this works. DBAT 17's are undefeated Tigers, Mustangs and DBAT 18's have one loss. What happens if the Tigers beat the 17's and there are 3 teams left with one loss?
I love Rule 11 from AABC
Tournament Byes and Pairings
Rule 11 (a). AABC tournaments must be completed in accordance
and compliance with the approved AABC double-elimination
bracket; deviations shall not be permitted under any circumstances.
The AABC approved method of pairings follow:
The tournament shall be conducted on a true double-elimination
basis. Following the first three (3) or four (4) rounds, pairings by draw
may be necessary to comply with the following AABC rules:
(1) Where there is a bye in the schedule, all teams – undefeated and
defeated - shall share in drawing for the bye except as provided in (3).
No team may receive a second bye until every other team alive shall
have had a first bye. This will be adhered to even if it means two (2)
teams must meet for the second time when there is a team alive they
have not yet met. The bye has top priority over anything else and must
be the first consideration. It is vital and essential that the bye be
determined FIRST.
(2) No team will meet another team for the second time where there
remains a different team left to play, UNLESS: a) it would violate (1)
above, b) there are only three (3) teams left as provided in (3), or c)
all possible combinations of games places some pair or pairs of teams
against each other for the second time . If there is only one possible
group of pairings with the fewest number of teams meeting for the
second time then that group of pairings shall be used. If there is more
than one equal possibility, the entire group of games will be selected
by lot from those pairings with the fewest number of teams which
must meet for the second time.
(3) When there are but three teams left in the tournament and each
has received an equal number of byes or no team has received a bye
and 1) one team has played the other two teams and the other two
teams have not met, then the teams who have not met must play, and
the other team will receive the bye in that round; or 2) one team has
not met either of the other two teams, and the other two teams have
met, then the team who has not played either of the other two teams
will draw its opponent , and the other team will receive a bye in that
round.
(4) Winners will play winners and losers will play losers UNLESS
it would violate (1), (2) or (3) above.
17
TIRED HEAD, so does this mean that since the DBAT 17's have alreay had a bye that if the Tigers beat DBAT 17's, then either the Tigers or the winner of Mustangs v DBAT 18's will receive a bye to the championship.
I hear ya on the tired head 
I can't pull up a bracket so I can't see who's had byes and how many they have had. I'm almost sure each has had at least one. If one team has not had one or has one less than the other two then that team gets the bye to the championship. If I had a bracket I could show you everything that "could" happen. I'll keep trying to pull it up and explain.
This is what makes AABC so awesome! Oh yeah, don't forget about the pitching rule and you can only play two games max in any one day.
I can't pull up a bracket so I can't see who's had byes and how many they have had. I'm almost sure each has had at least one. If one team has not had one or has one less than the other two then that team gets the bye to the championship. If I had a bracket I could show you everything that "could" happen. I'll keep trying to pull it up and explain.
This is what makes AABC so awesome! Oh yeah, don't forget about the pitching rule and you can only play two games max in any one day.
Thanks for the help, I am having a difficult time pulling up the AABC Texas website as well. However, I don't believe that only DBAT 17's have had a bye.
Even though it is a double elimination tournament only the winners of games 20 and 21 advance to the championship round. If one team doesn't have any losses then the other team must beat them twice to win the tournament. So if the Tigers beat DBAT 17, DBAT 17 is out even though they would only have one loss. It s**ks but that is the way it is.
The double dip.
The same set-up occurred last week in the AABC 15 State Tournament. The Marshals had no losses but if they had lost on Saturday night they would have been eliminated with just one loss. They won Saturday but then got double dipped by the Mustangs on Sunday.
The double dip.
The same set-up occurred last week in the AABC 15 State Tournament. The Marshals had no losses but if they had lost on Saturday night they would have been eliminated with just one loss. They won Saturday but then got double dipped by the Mustangs on Sunday.
aabc site back up.
That's wrong... if all 3 teams end up with a loss tonite, there will be a drawing for a bye between the teams that have not yet had a bye. One will get a bye and one will play DBAT 17 for the right to advance to the final.
DBAT 17 wins tonite, they go to the final.
DBAT 17 wins tonite, they go to the final.
quote:Originally posted by juiceless:
TIRED HEAD, so does this mean that since the DBAT 17's have alreay had a bye that if the Tigers beat DBAT 17's, then either the Tigers or the winner of Mustangs v DBAT 18's will receive a bye to the championship.
That is correct and the bracket now shows that. Each team must have two losses to be eliminated. That is why the brackets don't directly feed into positions in the later rounds.
Double elimination is just that, you must lose 2 times in order to be knocked out. Even if the 17's lose, they still must lose again. That's why the AABC bracket already has them moving on to Saturday night. AABC is the most fair bracket out there and it gives no one an advantage.
In looking at the bracket, here's how things could work out IF the 17's lose:
Since the 17's already have had a bye and no one else has, they would play in the first game Saturday regardless. Then the other two remaining teams would draw for the bye. Who ever gets the bye, would advance to the championship game.
If the 17's win, then it's a mute point and either the 18's or Mustangs would have to beat them twice on Saturday.
See, it's not that hard at all. Plus I've been around these tournaments for over 30 years so that helps too!
In looking at the bracket, here's how things could work out IF the 17's lose:
Since the 17's already have had a bye and no one else has, they would play in the first game Saturday regardless. Then the other two remaining teams would draw for the bye. Who ever gets the bye, would advance to the championship game.
If the 17's win, then it's a mute point and either the 18's or Mustangs would have to beat them twice on Saturday.
See, it's not that hard at all. Plus I've been around these tournaments for over 30 years so that helps too!
quote:Originally posted by Clemente21:
DBAT 17 - 8
DBAT 18 - 2
5:00 Elimination Game @ TCU - Mustangs v. DBAT 18
7:00 @ TCU - Tigers 17 v. DBAT 17
DBAT 17 undefeated
Anybody know who pitched for them. Tried heading down to TCU and got caught in traffic, going to try again in a few.
quote:Originally posted by L.A.:
Double elimination is just that, you must lose 2 times in order to be knocked out. Even if the 17's lose, they still must lose again. That's why the AABC bracket already has them moving on to Saturday night. AABC is the most fair bracket out there and it gives no one an advantage.
Yeah that does make sense but that isn't the way it happened that week. So 30 years or not, I guess things aren't as clear as you think they might appear LA.
When I posted the bracket didn't have DBAT 17 in Game 22. That is what reminded me of last week.....but I stand corrected.
In looking at the bracket, here's how things could work out IF the 17's lose:
Since the 17's already have had a bye and no one else has, they would play in the first game Saturday regardless. Then the other two remaining teams would draw for the bye. Who ever gets the bye, would advance to the championship game.
If the 17's win, then it's a mute point and either the 18's or Mustangs would have to beat them twice on Saturday.
See, it's not that hard at all. Plus I've been around these tournaments for over 30 years so that helps too!
That isn't what happened last week.
I stand corrected. DBAT 17 wasn't listed in game 22 on the bracket when I posted.
I LOVE a man who stands corrected! 
DBAT 18 eliminated by Mustangs
DBAT 17 playing Tigers 17 at present
3 teams left, DBAT 17 unbeaten
DBAT 17 playing Tigers 17 at present
3 teams left, DBAT 17 unbeaten
FanOGame, just sit in the stands and shut your mouth, you have no idea what you are talking about.
baseballdude, welcome to the message board
Did I read the bracket correct? DBAT 17s beat the Tiger 17s tonight? Anyone have an update?
Also, for those interested in the Mustangs/DBAT 18 game. The score was:
Mustangs 7
DBAT 18 5
WP Millard
SV Hill
LP Black
Mustangs were up 7-0 going into the bottom of the 7th. DBAT made one heckuva comeback to make it 7-5. A bases loaded ground out to 3rd ended the game. Hats off to DBAT for never giving up when they could have.
Also, for those interested in the Mustangs/DBAT 18 game. The score was:
Mustangs 7
DBAT 18 5
WP Millard
SV Hill
LP Black
Mustangs were up 7-0 going into the bottom of the 7th. DBAT made one heckuva comeback to make it 7-5. A bases loaded ground out to 3rd ended the game. Hats off to DBAT for never giving up when they could have.
As of 9:54 -- Tigers 5, DBAT 2 -- bottom of the 6th (DBAT home) -- 2 on, no outs.
The bracket has DBAT advancing to tomorrow because they have no losses. They have already had a bye (that's why they appear in red), so they will play tomorrow in the first game whether there are two teams remaining or three.
Listening to the game on Tiger/DBAT radio ---- i.e., a friend's cell phone.
The bracket has DBAT advancing to tomorrow because they have no losses. They have already had a bye (that's why they appear in red), so they will play tomorrow in the first game whether there are two teams remaining or three.
Listening to the game on Tiger/DBAT radio ---- i.e., a friend's cell phone.
Got it PD! I should have realized that. Sitting through 2 tough games today has made my brain a little mushy 
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Keep those updates coming, thanks.
!Keep those updates coming, thanks.
No problem frogdawg -- a lot of baseball for us all today....congratulations on your wins today (but don't tell many people I said that...)
Update -- DBAT 7, Tigers 5 -- still bottom of the 6th -- big DBAT rally!
Update -- DBAT 7, Tigers 5 -- still bottom of the 6th -- big DBAT rally!
Top 7 -- DBAT 9, Tigers 5
Workman (UT commit) on for DBAT
Why are people fascinated with train wrecks?
Workman (UT commit) on for DBAT
Why are people fascinated with train wrecks?
Hear ye, hear ye -- read all about it!
Wow, this message board will be quiet for a few days....
It's over -- Tigers, DBAT 18 eliminated tonight in CM Regional!
DBAT 9
Tigers 5
Sets up first round rematch tomorrow -- Mustangs must double-dip DBAT 17.
WINNER GOES TO FARMINGTON!!!!
Congratulations to Coach Leach, Kermit, and the guys!
Wow, this message board will be quiet for a few days....
It's over -- Tigers, DBAT 18 eliminated tonight in CM Regional!
DBAT 9
Tigers 5
Sets up first round rematch tomorrow -- Mustangs must double-dip DBAT 17.
WINNER GOES TO FARMINGTON!!!!
Congratulations to Coach Leach, Kermit, and the guys!
Word from Farmington: AABC Officials extremely ticked off!!!, as they had already purchased the medals and trophies with Tigers 17 engraved on them. 
Hope all the players on the Tigers have a outstanding H.S. year in 2007. Parents don`t get too down and do something silly!
Hope all the players on the Tigers have a outstanding H.S. year in 2007. Parents don`t get too down and do something silly!
Some can look at it this way --- Area Code games start when.......?
Congratulations to the Tigers on a great season.
Congratulations to the Tigers on a great season.
Froggie ~ get a good night's sleep. Hopefully, it'll be a long day tomorrow!
Was a great summer but suffice it to say we didn't play very well today in either game. Probably our poorest two outings of the year - that's baseball. All things said we have a lot of talented young men that are better ballplayers for having played and will be moving on to the next level. That's the ultimate success. Special thanks to Coach Thornton and Coach Edelstein for a job well done.
Outstanding comeback by DBAT 17 tonight to eliminate the Tigers.
Best of luck tomorrow to DBAT 17 and DBAT 16....just one win away!!!
Outstanding comeback by DBAT 17 tonight to eliminate the Tigers.
Best of luck tomorrow to DBAT 17 and DBAT 16....just one win away!!!
quote:Best of luck tomorrow to DBAT 17 and DBAT 16!Just one win away!!!
Way to go DBAT 16's and 17's. Good luck tomorrow to both teams.
GM,
Do you have a roster of the 17's team handy? I'd like to see who all is playing on the team.
Thanks.
Their roster is available on our web site. They added two pitchers for post-season play.
Duh........why didn't I think of that? It's late. Lame excuse, huh?